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Subject: The problem here is not that beautiful girls aren't winning, all the prepped winners were great! It is the fact that a beautiful, talented, standout girl from another part of the country has NO CHANCE to win. If BOC hasn't had their eye on you and prepared you, you have NO chance. They won't take the risk. That's what happened with Vanessa in 2004, the judges saw something in her and she was gorgeous, but didn't perform to BOC standards. Ever since, they want to be 100% confident the right girl is chosen, so they are doing it themselves. And yes it's working but it's not fair and its wasting alot of people's time and money. Author: Insider [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 13:38:34 04/29/08 Tue In reply to: Insider 's message, "Exactly... and yes I am a former contestant, and no not this year.. I love pageants and know alot of people in the industry and people talk... I witnessed it myself and even seeing it years later its obvious what BOC does. Just look back to 2004 the year Vanessa won... I would like people to remember what that production was like, look at the judges they were all reputable and weren't personal friends of Denis Davila. The host was Allan Thicke, it had a different vibe. Vanessa won, not Natalie who was being prepped. Denis changed BOC ever since 2004.. he made it easier to get away with, by hand picking judges that are his friends and sending girls off internationally, etc. If you look really closely the dynamic changed drastically since 2004." on 13:33:15 04/29/08 Tue [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date It does appear that things have changed since Vanessa won. Not to take anything away from Natalie, but that year, many of us considered Gretal Montgomery to be way more beautiful than Natalie. The next year, Alice was a foregone conclusion. Maybe she was handpicked, but even a truly fair panel of judges would have selected her. Then came Inga - that was shocking to say the least. I can't imagine anyone fixing the pageant for her and yet I can't imagine her winning fairly. This year, I don't know what to think. Samantha is a decent choice, and I'll leave it at that. (NT) Brent 13:56:40 04/29/08 Tue Brent, although most knew Natalie was strong, Gretal had a warmth about her that I believe *real* judges would have chosen. Although Natalie would do better on an internationally level, Gretal would have made a genuine better MUC. But we are all forgetting what the pageant is about, looks... who cares if the woman is sweet and kind on the inside.. obviously BOC doesn't, they want a winner who is marketable and $$$. Alice was handpicked too.. she had a ton of modeling potential.. I personally don't think she was that outstanding, most can't see beyond her fashion model potential, there really isn't much else there. Inga no idea, I think she resembled Natalie so they were banking on that fact.. and Samantha she is $$... Maybe they are prepping her for the Adult Film industry.. cause that's the look she has. (NT) -- Insider- It's all about $$, 14:31:24 04/29/08 Tue I am not going to give away my identity, but I have said who the winner was going to be WELL before each pageant since 2005. I know from experience and the others I just knew from educated observations on BOC's prepping. Even so much as looking at the girl's sponsors is a dead giveaway.. And the judging panel is a dead giveaway as well, how many pageants do you keep seeing the SAME judges over and over? Come on Denis, get a little more discreet.. I just feel bad for all the girls who actually thought they had a chance to win, I knew I never did so I was not hurt nor surprised. (NT) -- Insider, 14:37:20 04/29/08 Tue Re: I am not going to give away my identity, but I have said who the winner was going to be WELL before each pageant since 2005. I know from experience and the others I just knew from educated observations on BOC's prepping. Even so much as looking at the girl's sponsors is a dead giveaway.. And the judging panel is a dead giveaway as well, how many pageants do you keep seeing the SAME judges over and over? Come on Denis, get a little more discreet.. I just feel bad for all the girls who actually thought they had a chance to win, I knew I never did so I was not hurt nor surprised. -- CF, 07:44:11 04/30/08 Wed Well the apartment is no issue because BOC hasn't spent the money on one since 2004!!!!! Vanessa was the only one that stayed in it because she was from out of town. That is another reason they like Toronto girls winning, cheaper for them! They can groom their winning well before MUC, once she wins she's practically ready for MU.. so they just do final touchups and hope they are on their way to a Miss Universe. Vanessa was too much work, but really look at Inga, they bombed that one and she was from Toronto. (NT) -- Insider, 11:11:17 04/30/08 Wed