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Date Posted: 16:19:39 10/16/02 Wed
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In reply to:
The Divine Shadow
's message, "Re: New poll (Nebula v Nebulon)" on 13:51:31 10/16/02 Wed
>>Where (or was that a joke?)? I certainly can't recall
>>ambient radiation ever being a problem. In fact, warp
>>cores are pretty resiliant things. We have seen ships
>>crash land on planets without the core breeching. We
>>have seen the Borg shoot chunks out of the hull of
>>ships without problems. We've seen ships loose all
>>power and the core doesn't breech. We've seen ships
>>have nacelles shot off and the core doesn't breech.
>>Yes a core will breech if it tke critical damage, but
>>I submit that is no different to most Sci-Fi ships.
>>Two death stars blew up because their cores took
>>critical damage. Does that mean all SW engine scores
>>are going to blow up in 'ambient radiation'? I
>>certainly don't recall any ion storms causing worp
>>core breeches, so I don't think we can automatcially
>>assume that an ion canon would do so.
>
>That was a joke, the things just seem like a pain in
>the ass to me, "Captain such and such is messing with
>the reactor, we need to do such and such to fix"
>"when I woke up this mornign my ass hole hurt, I guess
>this was why, make it so ensign" I can't remember any
>specific episodes bu those warp cores have had lots of
>problems.
Cerainly the ones on the E-D seemed a pain, although given what that ship faced over the years, it did pretty well IMHO. Voyager was (and I REALLY hate to say this) better, with very few core problems (even surviving a planetary crash landing), and the Defiant is very stable (virtually no core problems whatsoever).
>
>As for the reactors on the Death Stars, they were a
>special case, Hypermatter reactors instead of
>ion-fusion reactors. Ion cannons turn ion-fussion
>reactors, we don't know what would happen if one was
>fired at a hypermatter reactor (but we know what
>happens when you fire miisiles and torpedoes at on ;)
Reactors tend to react badly to things like that! :)
>
>>Well we have seen runabouts take multiple hits from
>>capital ships without loosing shields. I think the TIE
>>Defenders are going to have to fire for some time
>>before the shields come down. OTOH, we know that
>>fighter level weaponary can quickly penetrate Defender
>>shields. So while the Defender is shooting and trying
>>to bring down the Runabout shields, the runabout is
>>going to be shooting holes in the defender.
>
>You make it sound alot easier than it would be. No
>one ever proclaimed the great scores of enemy fighters
>brought by the B-17 Flying fortress, it had guns on
>all sides, but they couldn't track as quicly as
>fighters could evade.
True, but I thin the comparison is flawed. Trek systems are far better than the manually aimed guns on a B17. Look at Voyager:Dragons Teeth. In that episode, Voyager still fired very accurately at fast and manouverable enemy fighters, depsite being in a high radiation environment that interfered with sensors, and having the auto-targetting system fail. If they can do well with those problems, then this should be a breeze.
>The proper comparison for the
>Defender would be ME 262 (the jet). Despite the speed
>and manuverability of the runabouts in question, the
>TIE Defender has more at sublight speeds, and we are
>in a nebula, so, FTL doesn't count.
Why? There was no suggestion that FTL speeds were not possible. In fact, the Enterprise does to warp inside the Nebula. The only problem would be finding the enemy again afterwards, but even that should not be a problem with modern trek sensors since they don'y have the same problems as they did in Kirk's time. Either way, warp speed would be a useful tactical card to have.
>The ME 262s, by
>the way, cut their enemies to ribbons, dispite their
>huge armor advantage, by capitolizing on their speed
>and firepower.
Indeed, but the runabouts would be the faster of the two. They can use warp fractions to accelerate near instantaneously. Certainly Defenders would be more manouverable, but the all round phaser coverage would seriously cut into that advantage.
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