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Subject: The option of a new forum format


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Mary Brown
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Date Posted: 8/04/05 19:38:24

Just checked on the excellent new forum and see that while 64 people have read the poll email, only 3 have "voted". I guess this may be because you have to register in order to get the chance to vote. But registering is easy and no lurking dangers. So why not vote? It would show Nick and Tony that people have thought about it and it's the perfect democratic way to decide whether to make the move.
www.command-it.co.uk

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Subject: The Change


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Richard Swire
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Date Posted: 12/04/05 15:02:51

I thought that was something I had to look forward to, well my partner I suppose.

I am some what perplexed on this one. I liken the forum to sitting in a pub with a nice cold beer chatting about Trappers, someone says " I can't seem to get such and such to work, someone responds by saying have you tried this and that, then you have to go to the toilet cos your bladder is full and when you get back some one says , You know what, Ive been thinking about what you said and I remeber many years ago some bloke had the very saame problem and he finally solved it by doing this, if I remember rightly he had a drwing of the solution and I think I've got his phone number somewhere. By the way I will have a half and some dry roasted peanuts. And when you get back from the bar, the drawing and the phone number appears. If you can promise me all of the above I will go with the flow, but I wasn't aware that it was broken.

Regards

Pamino waiting to have her bottom cleaned this weekend, at the Posh end of the Solent. Southsea.

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Subject: 1GM10 DIESEL


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Colum Mcevoy
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Date Posted: 5/04/05 20:17:21

I AM ABOUT TO PUT A DIESEL INTO MY TRAPPER28 AS THE OLD DOLPHIN IS PAST IT. IS THERE ANY PROBLEMS I MAY COME ACROSS REGARDING THE ENGINE BED OR SHAFT ALLINEMENT ETC.

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Subject: Trapper 500 spinnaker


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Joe hehir
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Date Posted: 15/02/05 14:58:08

Hi,

I sold my Trapper 500 2 years ago. I still have a Kemp spinnaker that was used very lightly for one season. Anyone interested in purchasing it should contact me at joe.hehir@boltblue.com.

Joe

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Subject: This forum is horrible!


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Tony Buckley
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Date Posted: 3/04/05 18:09:50

I don't mean the people, I mean the site presentation - its yuk. If you guys would like, I have some spare server capacity and would have no objection to setting up a forum space using PHPbb. Its much much friendlier than this and replies can be seen at a glance.

Have a look at...
http://www.motorhomefacts.com/modules.php?name=Forums

This is an example that has been somewhat tailored and I think they have gone a bit overboard in their enthusiasm to setup so many forums - this group only needs one forum as the traffic is so low!

Sorry if this seems to be treading on peoples toes - don't mean to - just think it would be better. The search facility alone is great. I could set up and whoever administers this site, could do the same on the new one - not looking for a promotion to commodore :-).

Tony
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Subject: trapper 28 catch for forward hatch


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adrian wright
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Date Posted: 2/04/05 22:53:05

i have a trapper 28 1978 model , i need new catch to close forward hatch can any one tell me were i could buy one please. many thanks adrian.

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Subject: Trapper 500 YSE8


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Andy
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Date Posted: 28/03/05 22:05:48

I have a YSE 8 engine, which seems to have a breather pipe just under the starter motor and stops just by the rear engine mount. When running at low revs there is smoke coming out. There is also blue/grey smoke coming out the exhaust, which increases when more power is required.
Has anyone had this problem in the past, if so what was the cause, injector or piston rings?
Many thanks in advance
Andy

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Subject: TS 240 - potential purchase


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Alex
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Date Posted: 23/03/05 6:20:41

Dear Sirs

‘Surfing around the net’ I chanced upon your site.

I am (in the process of) buying an old 1982/3 TS 240 with manual (ie not hydraulic) lifting keel. She appears to be in relatively good shape and the vendor has replaced the keel housing/box with a new aluminium one. Are there any faults/areas that I should particularly be aware of? Any assistance greatly appreciated.

Also, 1) do you know the best place to purchase a new suit of sails at best price together with furling genoa, and 2) is it OK to leave her on a swinging mooring with her keel permanently down for extended periods – say 4 – 6 weeks?

Any help greatly appreciated.

Sincerely & regards

Alex

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Subject: Re: All trapper values


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Russ
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Date Posted: 22/03/05 15:27:54

following the T300 price debate, I must say that i find it incredible that trappers are generally undervalued on price regardless of model. my T500 has beaten other 26/27/28/30 footers with very similar PY numbers many times.I dont use a spinnaker and we are only two crew!. We have been able to comfortably complete club cruises where other similar boats, supposedly worth 2,3,4 times mine have had to turn back or seek boltholes and its not just seamanship, they sail more efficiently, pointing brilliantly, better motion, heavy enough not to be knocked off course or broached every 2 minutes as the lighter boats do in anything more than a 'Slight', yet light enough to give excellent pace and with better accomodation and layout than most 30/32 footers. I certainly wouldnt part with less than 20K if I were to sell, and even then, what would i get for that which can compare?? its about time we all held out for more realistic values, drive the prices up, sell privately and sod the broker and his 8%! (flippin 'eck, think i better have a lay down.) Trap on..

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Subject: No1 Genoa (Pentex Tri Radial Laminate)


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Peter
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Date Posted: 28/03/05 17:56:45

Have listed the above item on e-bay item 4539369908. Comes from my T28. Also does anyone have a sprayhood for sale

Thanx Peter

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Subject: T250 History


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Len
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Date Posted: 7/08/03 18:36:13

Earlier this year I bought a T250 which I believe was previously called "Skywalker" and sailed the Solent area. Could anyone please advise its correct hull and sail number or where I might find the hull number.

I was interested in the thread regarding the rigging of a TS240. My T250 has a very heavy helm which I put down to the size and power of the rudder but I find it very responsive and quick on all points of sailing.

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Subject: Laminated tillers for T300's


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James Green
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Date Posted: 24/03/05 22:39:33

Something positive to help anyone needing a new tiller for their T300.

Recently, I had the pleasure of doing business with a chap called Tony Mackillican. He advertises in the back of PBO under "Tillers" Based near Stafford, he obviously specialises in laminated rudders, dinghy centreboards and - tillers (unsurprisingly). Suffice to say his price for a Trapper 300 tiller at £125 plus postage and packing, total £145 was at least £75 cheaper than the nearest alternative quote, the quality is good and the two pack varnish finish excellent. Two weeks was all it took and he was pleasant to talk to on the 'phone and fulfilled all that he promised!

Telephone No. 01785 284949. Thought it would be of help to other Trapper owners.

James.

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Subject: Roller reefing ......


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Brian
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Date Posted: 20/03/05 15:12:21

I'm almost too embarrassed to ask this but ..... I've been sailing since I was a kid, had loads of yachts and currently sail a T-28 named "Blazer".

Problem is that when I had her out last winter for an insurace survey, I took the opportunity to reposition the forestay attachment, it was attached to the wrong "hole" on the stem fitting so I took it back to where it was designed to be. Unfortunately this involved moving it forward about 3" which or course subtly changed the mast rake and so introduced a degree of lee helm that I'm not happy with. Up until then, the boat had been perfectly balanced.

Blazer is the first boat I've ever had with roller reefing (Furlex) and so now we come to the embarrasing bit, I can't see how to adjust the forestay length. It needs to be about 20mm or so longer, I thought about inserting a "toggle" fitting in between the forestay fork and the stem fitting which would add about 25mm, but I'm sure I must be missing the plot here... surely there is a better (and less "coarse") way of adjusting the forestay length. Is there a bottle screw hidden somewhere inside the foil/drum or something like that ?

Answers on a postcard please ...... or even a reply here would be nice :^)

Thanks in advance, Brian ("Blazer", 1970 T-28 berthed Gosport)

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Subject: IRC Rating


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Rob Clark
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Date Posted: 12/03/05 12:31:48

I wonder if anyone is able to help me? I've recently bought a Trapper 500 and would like to enter it into the 'Round the Island Race'. However, having downloaded the IRC Rating form, I am really struggling with some of the terminology and required dimensions! I'm sure my boat's pretty standard (bilge keel) with 501 interior so if anyone has already completed the form and is willing to help me with it, I'd be very grateful.

Many thanks,

Rob
0117 908 3260
ro@dshow.net

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Subject: Unladen Weight?


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Arkadina Russ
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Date Posted: 17/03/05 12:13:42

hi, am being asked for unladen weight of my T500, (fin keel)by the harbour monster, for lift out details on berthing license. have checked all sources, no joy. any ideas?

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Subject: T500 Keel bolts


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Brad Croshaw
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Date Posted: 10/03/05 12:49:55

Hi

Much Ado is an early T500, ordered in Oct 72 & delivered in 73, she has a lead keel. I have loads of paperwork and previous surveys but I can't find any evidence of the keel bolts ever having been drawn. I've read discussions about torque settings which seem a bit in-conclusive, I think I have a small weep around the forward bolt. Has anyone ever had it done, was it a big job and how much did it cost? The bolts, or threaded rod, are stainless and there are approx 2" square plate bearers under the nuts.

Brad croshaw

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Subject: Cookers in 501


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Jim Jeffery
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Date Posted: 12/03/05 13:11:45

I remember a long discussion in this forum last year or the year before regarding a suitable replacement for the existing cooker which is now unsafe.
Does the Plastimo Neptune 2000 fit OK?
Are the rings and grill flame fail protected?
Has anyone fitted on?
Many thanks

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Subject: Trapper 300 Prices


Author:
James Green
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Date Posted: 9/03/05 1:17:42

Upon reading David Harding's re-visit test report about Sadler 26's (PBO No.460)I have been stirred to the point of having to put finger to keyboard. Our T300's were mentioned in the side panel as a worthy alternative design to consider when judging the Sadler 26 but the price guide suggested was £8000-£11,000, while the Sadler 26's forerunner, the Sadler 25, was valued as being worth £9-14K.

Now, as a professional smallcraft surveyor and former yachtbroker, (abeit being a little partisan in that I own a 1982 T300), I am very familar with the respective designs and whilst recognising that a small group of individuals cannot hope to buck a free market, I would venture to suggest that it's about time we stood just a little stiffer in telling the world just what a worthy design of yacht we sail - and when it ultimately comes to it, offer for sale - in the asking prices we set on our boats.

The T300 is, in reality almost 12" longer than the Sadler26 ((which includes its transom hung rudder in its overall length); our waterline is longer, our beam is greater and our displacement is lighter. The later T300's boast a fixed chart table that the Sadler doesn't have.

With my trade awareness of secondhand prices I wouldn't disagree with the PBO's suggestion that S26 prices generally range from about £17K, what I consider to be a pertinent 'kick up the arse' is the illogical disparity between the £12,500-£14,000 considered normal for Sadler 25's (the even smaller predecessor) and the £6,500-12,000 range that Trapper 300 owners seem to have been resigned to.

My message to all owners that are actively involved in the Trapper 300 is to be proud of the design you sail and remind the ones that are not so actively involved in the class as a whole to be confident in the price you set on your boat. The design stands up extremely well in looks, performance and general suitability for those looking for a first yacht and for those who want fun from the sailing of a real performer.

While the lack of twin keel examples generally limits market values of a class of under 30'.I am confident that the Trapper 300 can sell for £10,000-14,500 in a market that puts a value of 17,000+ on a Sadler 26; £15,000 on an early, fin keeled Griffon 26 or £15,000 on a Delta 25.

It falls to us to tell the world, and to keep telling the world about the really great points about the Trapper 300!

If I can be of help in any aspect of setting out to get the best possible price for a T300, then I can be contacted on my daytime number 01752 660516.

James Green.

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Subject: Trapper Logo/Sail mark - what is it ?


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Andrew Martin
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Date Posted: 21/02/05 22:27:16

A friend of mine owns a Trapper 501 and sails it keenly despite being totally unsighted. I have been helping him out with winter maintenance and have had (among others)the job of repainting the red line along the top-sides. There is of course a groove in the moulding, which I am painting. At the aft end on both sides the moudling groove goes off into a shape which we suspect is a Trapper logo. But we can't make out what it is.

Owner says that he tried (in 1970 or so)to find a Trapper sail mark to put on his sails but the makers did not have one.

SO - Question, Please.

What is the strange shape at the after end of the red line groove and do you know of a Trapper logo or sail mark ?

Boat is Pulcherrimma which lives at Titchmarsh near Walton on Naze

Ideas, please.

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Subject: TS240 Owner's Handbook?


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Tim
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Date Posted: 11/02/05 20:10:09

Does anyone have such a thing as an owner's handbook for the TS240? I was looking on the links page to see if Godfrey's rig setup pages had been posted there and found a word document for the Trapper 500 owner's handbook.
Had lots of useful stuff like the wiring diagram. I need to start again with mine since the previous owner pulled out most of the wiring, I suppose to replace, but didn't.
Additionally, I am in the middle of replacing the keel box and refurbing the keel casting (not for the faint hearted!) and would be willing to pass on my experiences to other owners. Maybe you want to wait until I have successfully got the thing back together before asking how to do it!

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Subject: 501 Rudder


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Niall
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Date Posted: 2/02/05 1:32:01

Hi, My Dad recently purchased a 501 but he's unhappy with the high degree of weather helm it suffers from. He's looking into the possibility of modifying/extending the leading edge of the rudder to improve the balance. Has anyone done this, or got any suggestions ? All assistance appreciated ! Niall.

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Subject: email addresses


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Ian
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Date Posted: 23/02/05 21:00:33

I remember that some little while ago the email addresses were taken off the BB due to spammers, malware etc. I would like to contact one of the contributers to this BB and wonder if there is anyway to do this.

Ian

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Subject: TS240 mast raising and other stuff


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Giles
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Date Posted: 4/03/05 14:17:41

Firstly, I have just been looking through the latest Compass mail order catalogue and there is a mast raising apparatus which looks very interesting. I have found that raising the mast on my 240 is very nerve wracking hard work. The loads involved with trying to lever the thing upright are huge. Suddenly I see a much simpler way of doing it. Have a look on www.compass24.com and search 7112540. What does the forum think?

Secondly, there is a TS240 for sale in the classifieds of PBO this month. The ad states that it has its keel raising winch on the coach roof. How many other TS240's were built in this way? What is the general consensus on the best keel lifting mechanism for these boats.

I am due to launch Nidri for the first time in early April and am getting nervous about the hydraulic lifting mechanism. Is there any thing I should pay particular attention to pre launch?

Thanks

Giles

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Subject: YSE8 Replacement.


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John Larke
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Date Posted: 13/02/05 19:18:47

When the time comes to replace the YSE8 in my T300,which is very thirsty on oil, what should I be looking for? The present engine is the "low profile model" and has only about 4" clearance below the underside of the cockpit.

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Subject: Trapper 500 Hulls


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John Templar
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Date Posted: 19/02/05 16:50:27

Anstey Trapper 500

overall Sula had good survey despite her age (77/78)

I felt it might be usefull to report the surveyors findings
regarding osmosis

Hull had been previously epoxied, about 1980 I think

pigment free lower hull was found to be in good condition and generally free from osmosis, re-doing the epoxy was advised

some blistering to starboard aft quarter boot top,not thought to be osmosis as no liquid.

areas cleaned off to take moisture readings were satisfactory after 2 hours out of the water and moisture readings only high from the areas still covered by old antifoul

Sula has not been out of the water for more than one tide in 4 years

should help some one to sell :-)

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Subject: 501 Rudder 'bearings'


Author:
Vaughan Tudor-Williams
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Date Posted: 28/02/05 19:51:51

Sometime ago on the forum there was discussion about replacing the rudder 'bearings' on the 500/501. I am thinking about doing this on Petite Folie (my 501 which lives at the interesting end of the Solent in Southampton Water) as there is a little play in the rudder that can be felt through the tiller as well as by 'wobbling' the blade. From memory, it sounds like it can be quite a fraught process (e.g. finding replacement bearings ain't easy apparently)so any advice much appreciated.

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Subject: Mast top Wind instrument


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Richard Swire
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Date Posted: 8/02/05 11:38:47

My wind speed indicator is definately registering slow, assuming it is suffering with salt, grime and seagul poo, can anyone advise something to lubricate the spinning bit, bearing in mind this will be done in situ.

Many thanks

Pamino a lovely Trapper 500 at the Posh end of the Solent- Southsea

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Subject: Wind Vane Self Steering


Author:
Ed Bowness
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Date Posted: 1/03/05 14:33:16

Has anyone fitted wind-vane self steering to a Trapper 500?
If so I would be interested to know which model and how it worked out.

Ed Bowness

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Subject: UK Circum


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Andy Hailstone
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Date Posted: 25/02/05 22:53:29

Hi
In a couple of years we are thinking of circumnavigating the UK, Has anyone done this in a Trapper 500 if so can you recommend an good harbours/marinas on route.
Andy

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Subject: Time-out


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Clive
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Date Posted: 25/02/05 22:45:44

In a few years time my wife and I are considering having a year or so out sailing to foreign parts at present uncertain as to where yet so would be interested to hear peoples views and experiences on what areas to sail and thoughts of the Trapper 500 would it be up to the task

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Subject: Rain getting in


Author:
Ian
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Date Posted: 16/01/05 1:22:41

I have fresh water getting into the front locker under the V berth on my trapper 300 I can't see where it's coming from but suspect it may be coming from the stem head fitting. Anyone had this same problem?

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Subject: Trapper 500 rudders


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John Templar
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Date Posted: 16/02/05 16:39:36

Can anyone tell me what is inside a 500 rudder

Sula has been surveyed and the surveyer says there is a hollow area in the rudder which he puts down to the foam core separating from the skin.

His remedy is to either drill holes and fill with epoxy , or split the rudder and refill with foam.

Having seen nightmare photos of rudders filled with what looked like a birds nest, Im wondering what others have actually found?

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Subject: Bilge pumps on TS240


Author:
kim
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Date Posted: 21/01/05 20:57:17

Can any-one out there help me with words of wisdom obtained from experience.
I have had the boat afloat for 1.5 seasons and in all that time I have never got a drop of water out the bilges.
The pump is new and deffinatly works. I want to check the intake end but as this disapears inside the floor linner I do not want to randomly chop holes in the floor/bunk sides trying to find the end. Also i am a tad concerned chopping holes in the bunk sides as the hydraulic hose runs through it somewhere. Has any-one actually found the end. Ps the bilges in the front where the echo sounder located are dry and so is the bilge under the toilet so I am hopping that the lack of fluid is down to a dry boat. HEY!!!! we can all live in hope
Kim

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Subject: TS240 Jib


Author:
Kim
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Date Posted: 1/09/04 10:02:24

Can any-one help?
I have just returned from a 3 week trip to Holland in Optica and as normal the weather went pear shaped for the last week and we where storm bound for 6 days in Dunquerke. My wife and daughter went home by ferry and I had to sail home solo. On the way back I stopped over night at Ramsgate and left next morning. about 2 hours out of port the coast gaurd put a strong wind warning out. I decided to push on across the Thames and if it got too bad then run off to Harwich. The wind picked up to a 5-6 gusting 7 and I found that with 2 reefs in the the main and on a close reach, I found the jib was too much and the storm jib to small. What do other people have? or is no-one silly enough to go out in those sort of conditions single handed. I know that most people would have crew and the extra weight might make the problem go away.
Do people have a reefing jib. if so roughly how big is the sail reefed? I suspect the a lot of people might have roller furling in which makes the whole conversation pointless.
On the subject seen earlier on storage. I have found that the trays tend to keep there contents in even though they are shallow. I have not yet resorted to netting yet. I have made 3 cave lockers each side above the trays that are 15 inches wide 6 inches deep and 8 inches(roughly from memory) high with a surround with a slot cut in just big enough to get a hand in. these have worked superbly well for thing like tapes/cd's galley stuff. the tea/coffee tubs etc. I am going to make another set but bigger for under the shelf.
We bought "sock bags" for washing from the supermarket which we put velcro on the corners then glued the other bit to the glass fiber. since then I lined the forepeak with carpet and found that the velcro sticks really well to the carpet on its own so the bags can be moved any where. these have been amazingly usefull and will no doubt appear all over the boat once the lining has been completed in the saloon.
Kim

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Subject: Sea Cock corrosion


Author:
John Larke
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Date Posted: 3/02/05 21:34:34

I have just managed to free the two cockpit drain seacocks on my 300,they have been seized ever since I got the boat in 2001. The Blakes taper fittings having been freed and cleaned, had a pinkish hue to them.I understand this is caused by stray residual electrical current.The only anode I have on my 300 is a shaft anode, that just about lasts from April to October.The seacocks are about 1 foot either side of the prop shaft. Do I need another anode on the boat? Opinions please.

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Subject: TS 240 For Sale


Author:
Graham
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Date Posted: 28/11/04 23:56:36

Anyone intrested in a like new TS240, 1980. ready to sail away. with loads of extras,
Inc New Upholstery, New Launching Trailer, Roller Reefing, New riging,
40w sola pannel & Reg, and loads of new electrics and More!
Tele Graham for full Details 01646 601642, Pembrokeshire,
Wales. £12,000 ono

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Subject: longitudinal mast rigidity on TRAPPER 500


Author:
Gérard ALBIN
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Date Posted: 22/01/05 15:00:22

Hello everybody,
It's Gérard again with questions about Trapper 500 prior to buy one (maybe..)
Somebody with large nautical expérience tell me that there is a problème with the longitudinal rigidity of the mast and rig on the Trapper 500. And he said the mast tend to vibrate in heavy seas due to a lack of low riging (babystay and "bastaques" - sorry I don't know the word in english -)
Reading the forum and also the one on C&C association, I don't found anything about it. Except maybe for the Trapper 300.
What is the opinion on that great forum?
Thanks.
Gérard

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