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Subject: Outboard for T28


Author:
Gary Swift
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Date Posted: 10/05/04 9:40:56

Hi
The Dolphin inboard on my T28 (Jenny Wren) has finally given up. I am considering removing it to give more storage space and replacing it with a 8HP outboard.

I would appreciate any advice from anyone who may have carried out a similar converstion?

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Subject: Storage inside TS 240


Author:
Mary and Henry Brown
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Date Posted: 22/08/04 1:05:39

We have had the mast repaired and hope to launch on Wednesday ...
Our boat is immaculate but very bare inside. Any advice about storage would be appreciated - eg
1.Is it ok to make fixings through the lining?
2.There are very shallow lift-out trays along each side of the cabin - seem too shallow to be useful. Do people add bungees or bars to keep eg books, plates, safely tethered?
3. Net storage seems a good idea - maybe along sides of forepeak. Where can you get these? No sign of storage nets in any catalogue I've browsed.
4. We've bought some plastic boxes to fit under cockpit. any other suggestions welcome.
4. Our water "tank" is 15 litres, rigid black jerrycan under stbd bunk. Probably original. Need bigger - what have others done?
5. We have no table, and are considering a loose folding one. What did the boat have originally - what have people found to be good?
Again, many thanks.

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Subject: TS240 mast - weight and ease of stepping


Author:
Henry and Mary Brown
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Date Posted: 8/08/04 17:44:40

We've just bought a 240 and sad to report we have had a disaster with our first attempt at raising the mast …
We are worried that the mast is actually too heavy – it’s a replacement. It's a Z spars mast we think - weight 2.3kg per metre.
Does anyone know what the original 240 mast weighs?

First we couldn’t easily support the end of the mast when moving it back to put in the pin. When it rested on the crosstree the foot was too high for the base plate and pin and it could not easily be brought down to the base plate because the coach roof and gooseneck fitting were in the way. We managed to raise the end of the mast using the spinnaker pole and a rope pulley, but could only do so because by chance there was a raised bank behind the boat. Otherwise we couldn’t have lifted the end in order to locate the mast to put the pin through. Perhaps a vertical extension to the crosstree is an answer to this problem.

Having managed that, we then tried to raise it. We fitted the two small A frames to the toe rails on either side of the boat and attached halyards from the top of the mast. Big mistake here - didn't twist the split halyard to stop it running through. Ouch! The top of the A frames were in line with the mast step pin. We then fixed a strut to the base of the mast and stayed it to the two A frames with the forestay attached. Having fixed the back stays we then tried to raise the mast by a rope from the top of the stayed strut, through the bow roller and back to a foresail sheet winch. It was enormously heavy and we could only manage by using the winch (we’d been told by the vendor that it didn’t need eg block and tackle, and could be pulled up by hand.) When it was about half way up the rope staying the strut parted, the halyard ran through and the mast fell sideways wrenching the base of the mast out of its rivets. We can see various things we got wrong but the thing that most surprised us was the weight involved. Maybe we’re getting old.

Any comments and advice welcome - also about getting repairs done - although we'll be on to that tomorrow. These things always happen at 5pm on Friday ...
Many thanks

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Subject: Trapper TS240 Genoa


Author:
Giles
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Date Posted: 12/08/04 14:05:27

Hello all,

I am on the scrounge!! Does anyone have an old but serviceable furling genoa for a TS240 which they would be prepared to sell?

Regards

Giles

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Subject: Trapper 28


Author:
David Marx
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Date Posted: 2/08/04 17:06:43

I have recently purchased a trapper 28 called "Cheers" in Denysville, South Africa. I would love to find out when she was built, where and by whom?

Any ideas on where to start ?

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Subject: Trapper 500


Author:
Navaho
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Date Posted: 24/07/04 15:47:04

I read all the input with interest and have been meaning to make the owner`s assc aware of the wherabouts of another of their flock,namely my Trapper 500, Navaho, which is berthed in Gosport,Hants.......no doubt i will seeking advice some day! Simon.

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Subject: Furler v Hanks


Author:
Brad Croshaw
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Date Posted: 3/08/04 12:35:59

Hello

Much Ado (T500) has hanked on headsails which I've always preferred because they set better. When I look at other yachts sailing with part furled headsails they always look as though they have too much draft and have odd stretching around the tack and the head. I can see there are advantages in being able to furl the sail safely from the cockpit but is it easy to change the sail to suit the wind or is it just much hassle for the crew. I've thought about twin forestays so two different sails can be bent on and lashed ready for use. I don't mind the foredeck work but often I don't have other experienced helmsmen/women and have to call on others to do the work and the genoa is a lot of canvass for some to handle in a wind. What's your experiences?

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Subject: TS240 P.Y. number


Author:
Tim Ellis
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Date Posted: 2/08/04 10:29:51

Can anyone confirm the PY number for the TS240?
I have come across 1018, 1007 and the Links page for the TS240 mentions 1003. Needless to say, after winning a race at my club and being given a handicap of 1018 (not my suggestion!) there were a few grumblings from those not versed in the delights of the TS240!
I wouldn't like to think I had an unfair advantage over my other clubmates, so I would like to set the record straight!

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Subject: TS240 Re - Engine


Author:
paul
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Date Posted: 26/07/04 21:29:22

Hi All,

Have been struggling with Honda 10hp of 80's vintage but good condition. Took two of us to lift it into the well with much rocking and swiveling. ( Thanks Brian! hope you didnt get a hernia.)

Have decided I must trade it in for lighter unit with tighter dimensions so that I can easily fit it myself under most conditions. Since mud berth cannot even leave it in position once fitted.

Can anyone advise from their experience on suitable units (Size/weight/performance/reliability). Is a long shaft best?

My sailing will encompas 6knot ebb tides in the harbour and coastal cruising.

I dont mind mixing Two stroke fuel ( particularly since there is a price advantage!!) Or perhaps I need persuading of the merits of 4 stroke?

Cheers
Paul
PS Have now sailed boat for first time - what delightful balance and feel with ( with rudder blade fully forward)

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Subject: Trapper TS240 Keel


Author:
Giles
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Date Posted: 27/05/04 14:05:32

I have recently bought an early Trapper TS240, hull number 007.

I have read the article in PBO about replacing the mild steel box on top of the keel, but this article doesn't really show enough detail for me. Does anyone have any experience of accessing the box? Mine appears to have plenty of metal still there, but I would like to be able to inspect it a bit more thoroughly. It is very rusty in places from what I can see, but there is still about a 1/4 inch of steel there. Are there any drawings in existance of the set up?

I guess these have been changed on a few Trappers by now, it seems to be a slightly weak design by using mild steel in this environment.

Any help would be appreciated!

Giles

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Subject: Trapper 501 engine


Author:
John Brookes
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Date Posted: 18/07/04 20:07:31

I have a 2GM fitted to my 1982 Trapper 501. The problem I have is that when I put the throttle just into forward gear the engine always stops, unless I increase the revs, which is not satisfactory in close quarters manouvering. When warm she will run in neutral ok and when clicked into reverse she runs alright. Anyone got any ideas I would be gratefull.

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Subject: 1976 trapper 400


Author:
Micheal Davis
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Date Posted: 15/04/04 14:26:27

I have a 1976 Trapper 400 with a Dolphin Petrol Engine. Would anyone be able to provide me with information as too which Diesel engine will fit as a replacement?
hope you can help
Cheers!

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Subject: TS240 FOR SALE


Author:
Kim
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Date Posted: 30/04/04 20:20:13

I have just read a P.B.O.and there is a TS240 WITH ROAD TRAILOR for sale in the classified section.
Probably every one knows and I am behind as usual???
Bur thought that it might be of interest to some-one as there seems to be a regular request on the forum
PS its NOT mine.

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Subject: trapper 501


Author:
toby
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Date Posted: 31/05/04 21:41:14

hello all,

My father in law and I are looking to buy a 501 with fin keel, preferably rigged for shorthanded sailing. Were based in the south-west but could travel. Any prospective sellers please email. Toby.page@pms.ac.uk

Cash waiting the right boat

Thank you

Toby Page

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Subject: cruising in the med


Author:
tony larkin
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Date Posted: 12/07/04 21:51:03

went on flotilla holiday had sailing lessons bought a trapper 500 2001 sailed the nw area 2002 went through french canals & down costas 2003 wintered sotogrande intend trying morocco july & august any info would help web sites etc my boat is"chou fleur" have not found any build number as yet and believe me i have looked.
tony larkin

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Subject: handicap?


Author:
phil downing
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Date Posted: 6/07/04 12:24:28

hi
what is the official! handicap rating for a trapper 28.
]would appreciate any help.
thanks
phil downing durban south africa
p.s my trapper has a roller furler.

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Subject: Trapper 300 for sale


Author:
Ian MacGee
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Date Posted: 8/07/04 12:05:55

My Trapper 300 is up for sale. She has had lots of new equipment fitted in the last three years. A new Yanmar 1GM10, epoxied, new cradle, etc, etc. Any offer around £6750 for a quick sale. She is ashore at Troon. Call me on 01294 84 7165 Monday to Friday.

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Subject: Coming up for sale 300.


Author:
Vivian Turner
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Date Posted: 6/07/04 23:48:59

Trapper 300
This boat over the last five years has had more TLC than the Mrs,
So the time has come to say Bye Bye
Available at the end of the season
Lying on the Clyde

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Subject: trapper table


Author:
dale
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Date Posted: 1/07/04 9:55:43

Having just bought a trapper 500 i find that the table extends out towards the starboard saloon side but it seems that there is something missing can anyone shed any light on this????????

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Subject: T501 cockpit drains


Author:
Brian
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Date Posted: 28/05/04 23:04:11

I would like to replace the hose clip fixing the port cockpit drain hose to the skin fitting on my T501. I attempted this last year but it seemed impossible to access (certainly from the starboard cockpit locker engine access). Does anyone have suggestions on how best to access this? I'd really like to replace it this year before I refloat.

Many Thanks,

Brian

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Subject: publishing email addresses


Author:
nick
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Date Posted: 7/06/04 12:54:34

Hi Folks,

Now that we have all moved on a bit and probably most of us have improved our email anti virus anti spam software I thought I would revisit this.

I see that people are now publishing their telephone numbers on the forum in an effort to make contact, personally I would have thought that more open to abuse.

We can continue as we are, or we can revert back to showing the email addresses on the postings. If we do revert back, no posting made during the incognito phase will suddenly have email addresses apended, it will only apply to new postings and postings that were here before I switched the facility off.

My own view is that it would be helpful, but I will be open to persuasion either way, after all, it is your views that matter.

Nick

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Subject: FUEL TANK


Author:
Jim Jeffery
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Date Posted: 19/05/04 0:09:06

My Trapper 501's orginal fuel tank mounted in the starboard after locker is showing sign of rust etc. I flushed it with parafin a few years ago but it should now be replaced.
Does anyone know of a good rigid tank supplier who makes these things please.

Jim

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Subject: trapper 500 tillerpilot


Author:
dale walker
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Date Posted: 14/05/04 14:10:13

can anyone recomend a good tiller pilot for a trapper 500

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Subject: Reefing


Author:
Brad Croshaw
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Date Posted: 4/05/04 20:13:03

Hello all

I'm just learning how a 500 likes to be sailed and her handling characteristics. I would appreciate any hints as to what sail she'll carry in what wind. I was sailing last Sunday with full main and full genoa beating 45-60 degrees in 16-21kts apparent wind with 5-5.8 knts on the log. She wasn't feeling over pressed (actually it was brilliant)but I was starting to think when should I shorten. I've opted for fixed head sails and single line slab reefing. I've got a No.1 genoa, a sizable working jib and a storm jib and 2 reefing points in the main.

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Subject: shake down


Author:
Poul Christensen
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Date Posted: 5/05/04 22:00:01

We intend to re-introduce Alkanet to salt water this weekend (Fri-Mon) in the Poole/Solent area. Anyone else afloat look out for us and we can have a drink!
Poul

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Subject: T500 weight


Author:
Peter Coley
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Date Posted: 27/04/04 12:54:06

Dear Forum

I am wanting to move Trapper 500 'Geliefde' (1979) from Oban to Chichester by road and the haulage companies need to know her weight. Anybody got any ideas?

Peter Coley

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Subject: Trapper 300 forestay attachment


Author:
James Green
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Date Posted: 10/11/03 23:40:35

Hello to the world of Trapper yacht owners. I am the chap who finally bought BARECAT. Trapper 300 MkII, hull #003. I have had the hull stiffened in way of the keel and the keel re-fitted. In the process I found some evidence of some VERY poor quality control/building methods applied to this fundamental part of the boat, such as the fitting of only 5 out of the 6 keel nuts!

I am now having to turn my attention to the attachment of the forestay to the hull to prevent the failure of the FRP deck moulding through forestay tension. Has anyone taken their forestay through the deck to be attached to a tang fitted to the stem of the hull itself?

An alternative that I am considering is the replacement of the stemhead fitting with a more substantial stainless steel fitting, incorporating a larger stemhead roller and a centreline web for the forestay to be attached to, but as you will know, the yacht is very fine in the bow and one of the concerns is the access to the roller when anchoring with a roller reefing drum in close proximity immediately above.

Finally if there are T300 owners out there who would like to take advantage of my discussions with stainless steel fabricators and would be up for reducing the 'piece' price of a replacement stemhead fitting, with a view to taking their rig tensions down to the hull rather than lifting their deck moulding; please contact me in the next week or so.

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Subject: Limescale on propshaft


Author:
nick
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Date Posted: 18/03/04 19:38:02

I'm sure all you good people use your boats far more than I do so never have this problem but it was a surprise to me.

Last winter I had a vibration on the shaft which I took to mean I needed a new cutlass bearing.

However I was chatting to a Bukh service agent about it who is also a member of the yacht club (I was going to scrounge his cutlass bearing removing kit for taking them out without removing the shaft) and he told me it was limescale.

I expressed surprise but took the shaft out anyway to have a look. As he said, there was a build up of lime on the shaft.

Now this winter I was showing someone round the boat and he asked me to put her in gear. A God awful noise ensued and my prospective purchaser went pale.

I said Oh I know what that is, it's limescale.

I'm not sure he believed me but I know that noise, when she comes out it will be easily fixed.

My real question though is why do I get limescale? The boat has been in the marina for 7 months now and that's the first time I've turned the prop (you can see why I'm selling now) but is that all it takes?

I know you get limescale round the miniscus of the water in a toilet if you don't disturb it, but this is in a cutlass bearing underwater.

Any chemists out there?

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Subject: Wicca for Sale


Author:
Clive
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Date Posted: 23/04/04 14:42:17

'Wicca' is a Trapper 500. Furling genoa, Mainsail, Spinnaker and various spare sails. VHF, Echo etc.

New 21hp Nanni Diesel.

Lying Suffolk coast

For more information please e-mail

£17,500

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Subject: I dont believe it


Author:
Kim
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Date Posted: 16/01/04 21:58:30

Has no -one else seen Yachting press then? with the A-Z and giving a whole page and a bit to the likes of us???
One thing though, Am I being a bit dense or has the winter sailing frozen the little grey cells solid. in the description of the T250, I am not sure if the writer is saying that the 240 was more stable or the 250?. ALSO (While your all laughing at my stupidity,) On my 240, the rudder bits are bolted straight on to the transom where as, in the picture of the 250 in the Mag it looks like the top rudder fitting is an A frame of some sort. can any -one confirm this and maybe even tell me why. I do have the problem that if I let the helm go, the rudder slams over EITHER way, under sail or power, and by making the rudder stock more vertical, would help prevent this. as I have a piece of shock cord to prevent movement of the rudder as the rudder slamming over on its own accord, did infact put me aground(Now you know why I NEED a lifting keel???)
Any ideas would be most gratefully received by my wife who has to explain "the funny words daddy said" to my daughter
Kim

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Subject: boats for sale


Author:
nick
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Date Posted: 18/04/04 17:54:58

Perhaps I'm just getting old and cranky but I'll let you decide.

I put a for sale and wanted page up on the website because people suggested it. There was a suggestion that people would contribute something if this made them a sale but I assumed it never has done or somebody would have said.

I was quite pleased to find that my own ad on the website generated several contacts though the guy that got closest to buying came through a commercial website.

These days I quite often get the details of a boat sent to me with no other text at all. No please, thankyou, some times not even a "hi my name is".

Perhaps I've worded the thing on the website incorrectly, I'll consider changing that text when I update it shortly.

I'd have thought, though, that even if people thought this was a commercial venture they would have said something.

It is related, I suppose, to the issue about the guy who pinched the pic of securus off the website to sell his own boat without a by your leave.

Perhaps the world moved on at some point and I got left behind!

Anyway, the good news is that we are experimenting with a new website, and if I'm happy that has a future there won't be a need to send me updates.

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Subject: YSM 8 ENGINES


Author:
Michael Farrant
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Date Posted: 11/04/04 20:21:02

We are fitting a new engine and have two surplus YSM 8's in bits suitable for rebuild or spares.Many parts are in good order including two water pumps, one only used for a few hours the other completly rebuilt, every part replaced.
Offers for the lot 01323 844948
Michael

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Subject: Trapper 500 Companionway measurement request.


Author:
Brian Henry
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Date Posted: 11/04/04 7:42:18

I have a question for someone with access to their T500 - mine is 700km distant.

I am renewing my washboards and am utilising some marine ply I already have. However, it is only 10mm thick while the original is 12mm. I intend to face the externally-facing side with some 6mm thick teak strips. As I do not have the measurement of the slot within which the boards run (I did note it but left it on board) I am unsure if I can teak face to the edge and leave, face to the edge and plane down a mm or two, or start only at the exposed area, circa 25mm in from the side edges. I realise I should have some play for expansion but could some kind person measure the actual slot width for me.

Many thanks in anticipation.

Brian.

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Subject: Trapper Experience...


Author:
Daniel Emery
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Date Posted: 27/11/03 3:45:20

Hey ho - still lurking on the BBS, still not found the boat of my dreams (yet).

After many a hard lesson over the summer, I'm guessing that I need to aim for a Trapper 500 / 501, so going to be a while before I manage to save up enough.

In the mean time, I would love to get some experience of sailing a 500 / 501, so if anyone needs an extra pair of hands, be it a day sail or a weekend, please do drop me an email. Obviously I would also pay a share towards berthing/fuel/food etc.

Cheers

Daniel

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Subject: T500 Folding Prop?


Author:
Ted Power
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Date Posted: 4/02/04 12:40:17

Hi ALL,
I am in the process of fitting a new Beta 13.5 into "Swiftsure" in Kinsale. I thought I might go "the whole hog" and change to a 3 bladed folding prop-you only live once!

I have just realised that there is very little clearance between the back of the current two blader and the rudder ,when the rudder is turned 180 Deg for reverse! I am unlikely to be able to fit a folding prop for this reason?

Questions

Is it worth considering the folding prop at all. My engine supplier tells me it is woth 3/4 to 1 knot at crusing sped-this is attractive!

Has anyone fitted one successfully? Was it worth it?

Could I simply prevent the rudder from turning 180 with a mechanical stop system and retain the clearance? I would have to wrestle the tiller in reverse!

General question on Props.

On older boats with thick full length keels the shafts were marked so the the prop could be locked in paralled to and in line with keel. Thus minimising drag when sailing(With a two bladed prop).

I am continuously advised to lock my shaft when sailing so the prop does not spin.

My belief is that this only helps if you have the old long keel and the prop can be locked in the shadow of the keel.

I believe that if you allow the prop to spin, free wheel, while sailing that it will revolve, in reverse, at a speed dictated by the current sailing speed. The only energy loss will be the friction in the prop shaft. If you lock the shaft the prop will create much more drag!

I may be stoned to death for this theory! Anyone out there with the facts?


Regards to all,
Ted Power

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Subject: Cockpit table - 501


Author:
poul christensen
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Date Posted: 11/03/04 11:40:55

Any suggestions/advice on making and fitting a cockpit table for a 501 gratefully received

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Subject: Clevis pin sizes


Author:
Brian
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Date Posted: 15/03/04 14:28:58

I'm just in the process of getting my T28 ready for relaunch, I was just going round and checking the rigging last week (even though she had as full survey 2 weeks ago) when I came to the clevis pin holding the forestay to the stem head fitting. It looked a little on the small side to me at 6mm, does that seem reasonable to everyone else ?

As it happens, I don't like it so I'm going down tomorrow to drill out the stem head fitting to take a 10mm clevis pin. Just wondered what size pin everyone elses boat uses ?

Regards, Brian (Blazer '70 T-28)

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Subject: T300 Rudder


Author:
Phil Murphy
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Date Posted: 18/03/04 13:34:47

Does anyone know where to get a new rudder for my Trapper 300 'Triple K' and whats involved in fitting it.

Many Thanks

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Subject: trapper 500 re-engine


Author:
Michael Farrant
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Date Posted: 13/03/04 21:23:45

Has anyone re-engined trapper 500 with a Beta 13.5 hp
Any comments or problems encountered very welcome.
contact. 01323 844948
email michael@farrant47.fsnet.co.uk

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Subject: trapper 500 re-engine


Author:
Michael Farrant
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Date Posted: 13/03/04 21:20:02

Has anyone re-engined trapper 500 with a Beta 13.5 hp
Any comments or problems encountered very welcome.

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