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Subject: 501 diesel tank


Author:
Poul Christensen
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Date Posted: 5/01/04 18:56:43
We wish to replace our existing diesel tank (current capacity 25 litres) with a larger one. Any advice on construction/material/fixing or manufacturers gratefully received.
Happy new year to one and all
Poul

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Subject: Carab is for sale


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Bob Barnsley
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Date Posted: 9/03/04 21:09:58
After many years of ownership and considerable inroads into the family exchequer I have decided to sell Carab (C & C 27).
The boat has a Nanni 10.6 diesel engine, a good wardrobe of sails and is in pretty good shape.
I am asking £11500 for a quick sale.

01202 749958

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Subject: Trapper 500 & 501 Inside Photo's


Author:
Neil Smith
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Date Posted: 1/02/04 18:15:40
I am looking to buy a trapper 500 or 501, but I need to get some images of the inside of one of these. The ones we have seen for sale are so far away, we need to see pictures of wehat the insides CAN look like before we go and see.

Please can anyone mail us images of the insides of their boat? We are desperate to know that it would suit our needs. That the dineete arangement is practical for 2 couples, and not claustrophobic when stuck in marina in bad weather!

Does that Tiller make having 4 in the cockpit an impossibility? Does it really get in the way? HELP!

Cheers

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Subject: Autohelm 2000


Author:
Brian Warburton
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Date Posted: 17/01/04 13:02:00
End of last year, my T-28 Blazer attempted to commit suicide. I had a phone call from my local boatyard saying she was sitting a little low and would they like me to take a look. Well, the upshot was that there was 2' of water sloshing about inside and I'd lost my batteries, half my electrics, most of the stuff which was stored low down, the gearbox etc. etc. etc. I'd visited the boat 2 weeks before and she'd been fine - she used to "leak" a maximum of 1/2 gallon every month (a lot of it was fresh/rain water) but nothing too excessive until now.

Anyway, she's out the water now, dried out, rewired, new batteries, replaced gearbox etc. etc. and almost ready to relaunch. I have piles of stuff drying out in the greenhouse waiting for the summer !

Now this may sound silly, but I still have no idea how the water got in, I've checked and rebuild/reground/regreased all of the sea cocks. The stern gland is fine, the hull is undamaged, all the through hull fittings look fine. I adopted the policy of removing/checking and rebedding all of the hull fittings so I hope I have resolved the concern. I guess I'll find out when she's relaunched !

Anyway, back to the reason for the message, after my Autohelm ST-1000 died on leaving Cherbourg after the Trapper rally there a couple of years ago, I swore I would carry a spare a/p in future (21 hours helming was enough for me ...).

I picked up an old style version-1 AH2000 (with the big seperate "mechanical" compass/control unit). It was stored on the boat wrapped in a polythene bag until the "sinking". Well, total immersion did it no good, after hours on the bench trying to get it going again, it keeps blowing drive transistors so I guess the control unit is duff. The ram seems fine but the control electronics are stuffed.

I've just noticed a later model AH2000 control unit on the internet (EBAY), no ram just the control unit. It's the Version 2 model, the one with a seperate control unit (with buttons on it like the old AH1000) and with the power input and 3 other connectors on the bottom. Has anyone ever had one of these and/or know if, together with a ram (the only bit I have that still works), this makes up a complete AH2000, or is there a seperate compass unit needed as well ?

Thanks for your help,

Best Regards, Brian ("Blazer" 1970 T-28)

P.S. The EBAY link is :

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2453774903&category=15263

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Subject: Photo copyright


Author:
nick
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Date Posted: 2/02/04 22:56:15
Hi All,

I was stunned just now to find a picture of my boat in the for sale listings of a Broker and whilst feeling aggrieved sent him an email about breach of copyright.

Now I'm rather regretting it but it is a breach all the same.

The pic was taken from the website and used by the broker as the picture accompanying the online details.

In the details published online no mention is made that the boat in the pic is not the one for sale.

I don't want to stand in the way of anyone trying to sell their boat, and I want the site and forum to be as helpful as possible to people who want to buy or sell trappers.

I'm pretty certain that no reasonable request to use a pic will ever be refused by any owner but there should be a request, photos used should be correctly attributed and every effort made to avoid misleading representation.

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Subject: Head De-Coke Yanmar 1GM


Author:
Richard Swire
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Date Posted: 11/12/03 13:12:31
We intend to take the head of our Yanmar 1GM with the engine still in place. Has anyone out there done this, or should we be thinking about taking out the engine. Any tips greatly recieved.

Regards Yacht Pamino and her crew

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Subject: Wanted Trapper 240TS


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Paul Barber
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Date Posted: 19/01/04 20:48:18
Having done the research and followed the forum, I am seeking a TS 240 rigged for cruising and club racing. Preferably set up for single handed sailing and complete with trailer. Located in South but can travel for the right boat. Hope someone can help or point me at a prospective seller! Incidentally are you all collectively 'Trappists'?
Paul

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Subject: TREATING A BARE KEEL


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Richard Swire
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Date Posted: 2/02/04 11:01:43
Having had a rush of blood, we have cleaned our keel back to bare metal. I imagine I will use a rust inhibitor like Kure rust from Halfords and then a decent metal primer, then anti foul. Any one out there done this and with what results?
Many thanks

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Subject: T500 windows


Author:
Rod Smith
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Date Posted: 10/02/04 21:18:57
Can anyone recommend a good supplier for new windows
for our trapper 500?

Rod Smith

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Subject: Trapper 500 for sale


Author:
Clive Burls
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Date Posted: 19/02/04 22:47:17
'Wicca' is a Trapper 500. Furling genoa, Mainsail, Spinnaker and various spare sails. VHF, Echo etc.

New 21hp Nanni Diesel.

Lying Suffolk coast

For more information please e-mail

£17,500

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Subject: Acrylic companionway hatch for 501


Author:
nick
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Date Posted: 11/02/04 14:11:28
Some time ago, about 3 boards ago even, someone gave me a contact in waterlooville for getting some acrylic cut.

These people can also bend thick acrylic to make a new companionway hatch.

Anyone any idea who they were, or anyone else that could help?

Securus has the moulded ply hatch but the end has rotted away as the hatch garage tends to fill with water due to the boat being bow down on the mooring.

I think limber holes would be a good idea but it's a bit late!

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Subject: Trapper 700


Author:
Richard Swire
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Date Posted: 12/02/04 18:10:42
I am interested to know about the Trapper 700. Does anyone out there have one? Is there any info on them. Any help would be greatfully received

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Subject: Me again, Tarantine's financieri


Author:
Chris Stapleton
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Date Posted: 24/01/04 2:21:32
Tarantine is now out of the water (and she looks good for it too!) and I am in the process of replacing all the upholstery with somethng more stylish. I am also having loads of work done to her in the fibre glass department and am considering fitting lazy jacks and many other mods.

One question I have is regarding the anchor guide thingy at the pointy end, it appears that it is totally enclosed and the nuts or whatever that secure the screws for it are not exactly what you'd call captive (i.e the screws just spin rather than undoing).

How can I replace this item (or remove it for repair)?

The only thing I can think of is to cut a hole in the panel in the anchor well and then patch it up afterwards, has anyone got a simpler solution?

Chris

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Subject: 501 Cockpit Drain Seacock Size


Author:
Bob Hothersall
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Date Posted: 2/02/04 13:13:43
I have owned my Trapper 501 - "A Summer Place" from new (1982) and keep her in Spain. I want to replace the cockpit drain seacocks when I next go over. Can somebody please advise the size of the seacocks (they are gate valves) so that I can take some with me. I intend to replace them with ball valves. Has anyone done this?
Many thanks,
Bob

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Subject: Trapper T 28 Interior


Author:
Nigel Smallwood
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Date Posted: 17/09/03 13:05:08
Does anyone have any ideas on upgrading the cabin on a Trapper T28. Appreciating that there is limited space.

Also can any body give me any tips on tuning the rigging to get the best out of the boat for cruising and racing.

thanks

nigel

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Subject: end of the line for me but a new chapter for you


Author:
nick
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Date Posted: 29/01/04 0:50:18
Well I haven't fallen under a bus as was thought might happen but we have decided it is probably time to sell the boat.

I've run this site for a few years now and whilst I'm not the most efficient at it anybody else could have started an association before me but I was the only one that did.

It's my opinion that what the owners want is just about what they've got but with a rather more actively updated website.

However, as I won't be a Trapper owner I'm open to suggestions about where to go from here. I have my own ideas but it seems inappropriate to impose them without some sort of consensus. Securus won't be sold until the spring/early summer (well that's when she will go on the market anyway) so there's a bit of time before I no longer qualify.

I may well come back to boat owning later too, it's just that the current syndicate is a bit untenable and I don't use the boat enough to justify buying the others out.

oh and if anyone out there wants a bilge keel 501, 1981 vintage do get in touch.

nick

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Subject: Contact John Hughes


Author:
Andrew Bracken
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Date Posted: 27/01/04 13:10:59
Dear John,

I had contacted you in 2003 regarding some modifications you had made to your Trapper TS 240.
and I would hope to contact you again.

I hope that you can respond to this e-mail.

Regards,
Andrew.

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Subject: Trapper TS240 FORESTAY


Author:
Joe Jackson
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Date Posted: 26/01/04 22:38:56
The previous owner of TRAPEZE set the rigging up before I purchased the boat last April and I was alarmed how slack the shrouds were however he said this was how he liked it. She has served me well all season but on the rally with FOOSTER, VISTORIA & OCEAN AIRE I trailed last & heeled more. Everything pointed to lack of forestay tension so I endevoured to set up the rigging. First problem mast rake - measure about 15" just above the boom using a weighted main halyard and no pre-bend. Tightened the base of the Rotostay 1/2" but this did not have much effect on the rake. Advised it should be 4 to 8". Next tightened the upper shrouds to get 4" pre-bend then tightened the lower to remove 2" of bend. Sailed out in a force 3 and all OK pointed higher, less forestay sag.
Next sail in force 4 - BANG forestay parted where it exits the swage fitting at the mast. Fortunately on a broad reach and the genny halyard held the rotostay in place sufficiently to furl it then I went up the Medina to Newport under main only on a dead run at 5.5 knots !
Anyone know exactly how long the forestay should be to get the correct rake ?
Can anyone give advice on stripping the Rotostay to replace the forestay. (receipt with boat shows the stay was replaced 6 years ago - perhaps having it too slack caused excessive bend fatigue as the top fitting is not fitted with a toggle.)
I am worried I might end up with a forestay too long and therefore even more rake.
Apart from this TRAPEZE is marvelous to sail - really glad I became a Trappist.

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Subject: Buying Trapper 300


Author:
Gerasimos Papanastasatos
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Date Posted: 22/01/04 15:04:22
I am going to buy a Trapper 300. I would like to know what I have to control better before. Any advice is welcome. Do you thing is a good choice for a 4-member family with 2 small children? I am sailing in Greek waters.

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Subject: trapper 300


Author:
lee hurrell
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Date Posted: 18/01/04 17:06:11
Just thinking of buying a trapper 300 moonslip and wondering about the stability as i have a yong family.
Also how good is the build quailty, fittings etc &does anyone know this boat.


thanks lee

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Subject: Replacement Gooseneck


Author:
Ronan Laffan
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Date Posted: 14/01/04 17:00:55
Having broken the original Proctor roller reefing gooseneck on my T500 this summer, I am currently seeking to replace it and move to slab reefing. I have been offered a proctor boom with all reefing lines, but still need to replace the gooseneck. Has anyone else replaced their roller-reefing one with a conventional gooseneck? If so do you know the make/part number of the gooseneck? I think the difficulty is in getting a gooseneck that matches the shape of the 'O'-shaped Proctor mast.

Thanks

Ronan

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Subject: Trapper 501 rudder


Author:
Frank marsden
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Date Posted: 11/11/03 12:23:05
Has anyone got a photo of the 501 rudder, please?

Frank marsden

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Subject: HELP! P-Bracket for T500


Author:
Peter Coley
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Date Posted: 8/01/04 16:56:37
Could anyone give me an idea of how much I should expect to pay for having a p-bracket made in bronze since I am being quoted very high figures (by boatyards) which leave me reeling in disbelief...
...Or is there a standard bronze bracket for the T500?
Any information whatsoever with regard to replacing a p-bracket would be very welcome.

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Subject: 501 lighting wiring


Author:
Jeff Loveridge
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Date Posted: 10/12/03 13:40:40
I have a late Trapper 500 with the 501 interior. I have an intermittent lighting fault and I noticed that the wiring on my boat doesn't match the layout in Anders T500 manual.

Does anyone have the wiring layout for the 501 or a copy of the manual please?

Jeff Loveridge

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Subject: TS240 Modifications to keel lifting arrangments


Author:
Dave Martin
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Date Posted: 8/10/03 14:41:54
We are looking at buying a TS240 and have just had a survey undertaken on a boat. Unfortunately, the previous owner has ripped out the original hydraulic keel lifting mechanism and replaced it with a simple mechanical winch mounted on the aft end of the keel box inside the cabin. A rope (?)then passes up from the winch to the top of the casing and dissappears inside to be attached to the keel at some point. Is this a pretty standard modfication when the hydraulic mechanism becomes unserviceable.

We are concerned that this arrangement may not be suitable (or even adequate). It is obvious from the newness of this modifciation that it has not actually been tried at sea. If any other TS240 owners have experience of such a lifting keel arrangement we would really appreciate any feedback or comments you may have. Is there anything we should be particarly wary of with this sort of arrangment. Obviously, re-instating the orignal mechanim will be an expensive option so we need to have a feel for how suitable this recent modifcation actually is.

Many Thanks

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Subject: And it's goodbye to gas .....


Author:
Brian Warburton
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Date Posted: 25/11/03 19:49:25
My insurance company is forcing me to get Blazer surveyed next year before they'll re-insure me. I'm going through things one at a time and have decided that my gas installation will never pass a survey. The bottle sits in a cockpit locker held to the bulkhead with a bungie with the rubber feed pipe passing through the bulkhead straight on to the cooker. In my mind it fails on several points - no sealed externally vented bottle locker, no BS stamped hose, bare hose passing through a bulkhead without going through fittings etc. etc.

Anyway, to cut to the chase throwing the whole lot out seemed to be the cheapest option. To that end, I've brought a second hand Origo 3000 spirit cooker instead. Any one ever used one of these, is it easy to get the denatured alchohol, can I just use (purple) meths in it instead, and finally, do they work OK ?

Any hints, help and/or suggestions always welcome .....

Regards, Brian ("Blazer" 1970 T28)

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Subject: Happy Xmas to all Trapper owners and to Nick for keeping the Forum Going


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Richard Swire
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Date Posted: 11/12/03 13:15:36
HAPPY XMAS TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

WE HAVE ASKED MANY QUESTIONS AND THERE ARE ALWAYS REPLIES. MANY THANKS AND HAPPY SAILING

PAMINO A LOVELY T500

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Subject: Keel Bolts and Seal around Hull Fin Joint T500


Author:
Richard Swire
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Date Posted: 1/12/03 12:25:03
I have noticed small amounts of water weeping at the top of the keel bolts on our T500. Whilst only small quantities, half pint over a week, it still is a small concern. Question. I assume that there is some sort of sealant where the fin joins the hull. What is it?. To replace the sealant, do I have to release the keel bolts, clean the old out and then apply some more and then retighten the keel bolts? Do I just run a mastic around the joint having ensured that the bolts are tight.
What is tight. It is a large nut, I have had to use a 3/4 inch drive socket with a 3 foot bar to move it. Should it be a 4 foot bar?

Or Half a pint, what's the problem!!

Ps since fitting my spam filter, I have to get my viagra tablets on the black market??!!

Richard

Yacht Pamino

From the Posh end of the Solent, Southsea

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Subject: First season with a 500


Author:
Ronan
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Date Posted: 30/09/03 0:03:32
Just finished our first season with Soubrette, a 1980 T500. Had a great season - delighted with the boat. Based in Bray, just south of Dublin, we had an 8 week cruise in June-July around the top of Scotland to Norway (via outer Hebrides, Orkeny and Shetland) and back through the Caledonian canal - just over 2000 miles. Generally steeped with the weather this summer - we lost 1 day in 8 weeks to bad weather - but the boat was great even in some pretty rough stuff we encountered in the North sea on our way to Norway - we 2/3 filled the cockpit beating into breaking waves under a shred of jib and with the sprayhood and dodgers up... Now that we have lifted out for the season, the winter's jobs are lined up:

1. need to replace the gooseneck - was the original Proctor roller reefing job that broke - will probably change to slab reefing with a new main this winter, so I'll probably change the boom as well - have an offer on a suitable one which would save having to fit external blocks etc.

2. we had trouble with water in the diesel after our little storm in the North Sea (had to sail into our first port of call) - I think water was certainly entering the tank via the air intake on the outside of the starboard cockpit combings (does 'combings' have a 'b'?) - has anyone encountered this before when the boat is heeled with air intake on windward side?

3. although we beefed up the internal bolting arrangement for the chainplates through the main bulkhead, we are again seeing some movement with signs of the bolts pulling up slightly (the bolts are no longer perfectly horizontal - last winter on foot of the surveyors report when purchasing, we added an extender plate to make it three bolts either side, and added an extra stiffening piece opf ply over the whole area to stiff the bulkhead around the chainplates, with a proper backing plate on the other side). Anyone else encountered similar issues?

Great site, keep up the good work Nick.

Ronan

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Subject: Autohelm 1000


Author:
FRED SMIFF
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Date Posted: 14/11/03 17:50:01
Brian

(No, my model is without the digital readout, which leads me to think it is a really early model, even supersceded when I got it (perhaps why Autohelm gave it to me) and that improvements to the correction algorithms may be worth getting a new unit for. Having been a software engineer myself a lifetime ago, I know the value of having the ability to apply firmware upgrades as these things are always being improved on. Perhaps if I return it they might be able to install a later version chip.)

I think a phone call to Autohelm would be in order in your place Id want to know why it took so long to correct! And its likely that a software/firmware upgrade is available by now

Sula does take a little while to correct herself sometimes but with the over/ under correction aspect taken care of its not a problem.

And the autohelm is a better helmsman under sail than I am, by far! the only thing that fazes it are big lumps of metal underneath us ....then it gets thoroughly confused for a bit .....like a complete 360 between Carentan and St Vaast!



John

Visit Carentan! ,,they need your business and you'll like it!

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Subject: T500 P-bracket


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Peter Coley
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Date Posted: 23/11/03 15:22:13
Had a terrific spring and summer sailing from Chichester to Oban via the Caledonian Canal with our 1979 Trapper 500 but discoverd on drying her out in October that part of the P-bracket (the section which actually surrounds and holds the prop!) had sort of rotted and fallen away. I wondered if anyone knows why this might have happened and how I can find a replacement bracket or do I need to have one made? What are the brackets made of?
Suggestions welcome
Peter Coley
'Geliefde'

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Subject: Wanted: Trapper TS240


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 17/11/03 18:27:58
Does anyone have a TS 240 that they are thinking of selling. If so you may have found a buyer!!!

The TS 240 we have just been trying to buy fell through a couple of weeks ago and so we are now actively looking for another one.

If you have a 240 and are thinking about selling (or you know of anyone thinking of selling) please let me know via the e-mail address on this posting.

Any reasonable condition considered(provided the price reflects its condition).

I am based on the south coast but would be willing to travel if needed.

Thanks

Dave

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Subject: New Owner


Author:
Chris Stapleton
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Date Posted: 12/11/03 3:17:57
I am the proud ne owner of Tarantine (Trapper 300) based in the Hamble River. Just thought I'd say hi.

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Subject: Visiting card


Author:
Frank Marsden
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Date Posted: 13/11/03 20:18:28
I said that I would commit to producing ecapsulated cards to put on any Trapper, of any type , that we come across, to promote the association.

For the odd person that does not have internet access, a telephone number is required.

Any volunteers?

Otherwise, I will put mine.

U av bin warnd

Frank

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Subject: T500 rudder


Author:
Graham Harrison
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Date Posted: 13/11/03 23:33:04
Anyone any idea about the construction of the T500 rudder. I would imagine there would be some sort of webs or braces welded to the rudder shaft inside the glassfibre shell. If anyone has a drawing of the inside structure that would be good.

I lay up ashore every year & always remove the rudder, turn it upside down & get a pint or two of water out of the (hollow) shaft which has presumably entered the rudder through the top where the s/s shaft enters the casing shell. My concern, is that I probably have stainless steel in contact with salt water during the season in an anaerobic situation. This can lead to undetected corrosion & the first I would know about it would be when the last weld, web or whatever holds it together, fails, & I go around in tight circles or whatever direction she wants to take me! Maybe I'm a bit paranoid, but it would be good to know other peoples opinion on this.

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Subject: lack of stowage space


Author:
kim
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Date Posted: 7/11/03 23:22:54
Calling all Trappists of all denomanations. Has any-one used a company advertised in most boat mags called "Sheraton Marine Cabinet" They offer a cave locker with teak surround and a box behind it.It seems to good to be true. A pre-made cave locker. cut out the hole and fix in place. "But I wanted to spend hours cursing and trying to fit bits of wood round the holes and fit partitions inside the spaces while rubbing bits of glass into my arms"!!!!!
Seriously I am trying to utalise the total waste of space behind the linings in my 240 and wonderd if any one has used them or can offer any good suggestions. I am quite a handy wood butcher but cabinet maker I am not. Electrics ---pah -- no problem. but when it comes to getting that "ready for boat show /look/effect" HELP.

besides, all the talk of spam problems seems to me that too many people have tucked their pride and joys up for the winter and havn't got anything more interesting to worry about. As I didnt launch till end of August I have some serious sea miles to catch up and as a winter berth for 6 months is less than 1/2 price than for the summer. the rivers are quiter and no need to book the marina berths ahh bliss (I do wonder why I cant convinse the family to come and appriciate the East coast at its best though. they always seem to have something to do inside the house or at the local department stores)

Cheers for know and maybe I'll see some other nutter out on the water over Christmas
think about----- no Inlaws will want to come and join us. No family rows--- no Turkey sandwiches on Boxing day-----no turkey curry the day after just a good christmas day pint at the Butt And Oyster pub at Pinmill

Kim

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Subject: T500 Cooker


Author:
Alan Gilmour
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Date Posted: 7/08/03 17:59:38
The Flavell Vanessa cooker on Eun Mara (T500 with 501 interior)is coming to the end of it's useful life. Although spares are available, replacement cookers are not.The slot for the cooker is only 475mm wide, which seems to rule out most gimballed replacements I've seen, without reverting to major surgery. Has anyone replaced their cooker, and with what??

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