I have no hard facts on professionalism or otherwise of the FBI. I'm not American, I don't know. My point is simply that legislation cannot combat individual homophobia within a police force, and that its simply incorrect to say that it can. I would also make the point that FBI oversight is not a universal panacea for all ills (more) -- Welcome To The Crzy House

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Date Posted: 02:21:48 06/21/03 Sat
Author: Bester
Subject: I have no hard facts on professionalism or otherwise of the FBI. I'm not American, I don't know. My point is simply that legislation cannot combat individual homophobia within a police force, and that its simply incorrect to say that it can. I would also make the point that FBI oversight is not a universal panacea for all ills (more)
In reply to: Tom 's message, "well..." on 20:57:57 06/20/03 Fri

As for the point about the practical effects... I don't have any statistics to back me up. My point was simply that those of you arguing FOR the efficacy of HCLs don't have those either.

"6. It would result in increased public education and awareness.

7. It would result in more victims coming forward to report hate crimes.

8. It would increase reporting by local law enforcement to the FBI under the Hate Crimes Statistics Act "

Those statements are not backed up by any statistics or facts... no one has offered any such statistics or facts in the course of the debate. Until they ARE offered, all the "woulds" in those statements must be changed to "possibly", "maybe", or "might". I'm not saying I have all the answers, I don't. I just think its unfair to say that the anti-hcl havent provided facts, when if anything MORE relevant facts have been provided from that quarter than the pro-hcl one... regardless, the core of this debate has centred on opinion, which is fine. However, people have categorically stated that they have facts to back up their opinions... yet no facts are forthcoming.

I offer only my opinion: nothing more, nothing less.

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I'm sorry if I upset you. No one is suggesting that a HCL is the universal panacea for all ills or that it will totally eradicate homophobia in police forces, I'm merely saying that it will help not hinder. It's a big step in the right direction. I believe everything Lance listed to be true. Since you disagree, then maybe you know something I don't know. I'm sorry if I upset you for asking. I was just trying to understand why you believe as you do. I apologize. (NT) -- Tom, 11:13:16 06/21/03 Sat
- LOL *hugs* No, I'm not upset, Tom :). I was just making the point that facts were offered to back up beliefs but havent been forthcoming... Doesnt mean my belief is any more valid than yours :) (NT) -- Bester, 17:41:25 06/21/03 Sat
  - who and what facts are you talking about? was it me? haha. I have ADD so you have to remind me if I promised something and I didnt do it. So, if it's me, just point out the post and I will reread and try to do it, when I get some time. I gotta work tonight. Just DJ'ed all day and now I'll be at the club until the wee hours. Post it or send me a mail if its me. *hugs* (NT) -- Lance, 20:28:21 06/21/03 Sat
    - Lance has the attention span of a mosquito on crack! LOLOLOLOLOLOL (NT) -- *~*Sprite*~*, 16:59:04 06/22/03 Sun
      - I thought it was a goldfish on speed, spritey, lol. And no lance, I wasnt talkin bout you, as we discussed on AIM. (NT) -- Bester, 20:27:38 06/22/03 Sun