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  • OH my heck!! -- Sprite, 22:36:46 06/17/03 Tue
    The question has been asked and I am only toooooooooo happy to answer it.

    How could a stranger on a strange board be expected to know that Chris was a high school kid who didnt want to debate?

    ::rolls one eye::


    ....two words...



    At my high school...this year... by Chris (Which the stranger responded to HOW many times? - It's right there at the top of his posts.)

    Reading IS fundamental.

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  • Lance -- Bubba, 10:35:11 06/19/03 Thu
    I was going to jump in the HCL discussion, however, it's too damn unorganized! I really think it's too difficult to read all the posts, respond, and follow the responses to my responses...

    So, I'll just keep my mouth shut and keep lurking...

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  • News of the wierd.. -- Kris, 00:10:58 06/17/03 Tue
    My poor ShihTzu is going blind. She is about 11 now. Anyway, its terribly funny to deal with in a sorta wierd, twisted way. She goes outside and gets LOST in the front yard.. heck its only 40 x 20 feet. Scared me to death one night she was out in the street hunting for the door! Usually she finds the porch all right its finding the door that gives her trouble. And because she can't see you you can't call to her.. she doesnt see far enough to know you are three feet left of her. So out we go and pick her up and aim her at the door and in she toddles.

    Couple nights ago she was have hysterics in the bedroom. I was around the corner at the computer in the dining room. Apparently there were cats lying in the hallway... now whether she thought they were blocking her or she just couldn't SEE what the hell was in her way is moot. I had to mave the cats so she could walk into the hall.

    She has taken to sleeping in the dining room. Brian says cause its cooler there. I think its cause she gets lost and cant find the door to the hall...

    Speaking of the hall again. Tonight while I was yakkin with MiTcHeY she started whining in the bedroom. I had to go turn on the light in the hallway so she could find the door to go into the bathroom and get a drink..

    Poor thing... wonder if I should get her a seeing eye dog!

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  • Urge Your Member of Congress to Co-sponsor H.R. 2426 -- Mitchell, 22:54:32 06/18/03 Wed
    On June 11, H.R. 2426 (the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act) was reintroduced in Congress. This legislation, introduced by Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass. (and Sen. Mark Dayton, D-Minn. in the Senate), would grant the same benefits, including health insurance coverage, to the domestic partners of federal employees that are currently granted to employees’ legal spouses. Urge your member of Congress to co-sponsor this important piece of legislation.

    Unlike married couples, unmarried federal employees currently receive no health insurance coverage for their partners, representing a significant form of discrimination against gay and lesbian employees. Health care and other benefits account for a considerable portion of an employee’s compensation package. The current lack of coverage, consequently, denies federal employees with domestic partners equal compensation for equal work.

    Providing domestic partnership benefits to federal employees would bring the federal government in line with 196 of the Fortune 500 companies, including the Big Three automakers, IBM and Sears, Roebuck and Co., as well as 161 local governments and 11 state governments, including New York, Oregon and New Mexico. The number of employees with domestic partner benefits grew by 16 percent in 2002, according to the HRC Foundation’s WorkNet project. Please urge your member of Congress to co-sponsor this important piece of legislation!


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  • The Hate Crime Laws thread -- Sergio, 18:41:44 06/18/03 Wed
    has reached the size where it is causing the board to malfunction because if won't "roll over" due to size.

    This has happened only once before when we had the group hug in memory of Justin the Okie.

    Be assured that the ENTIRE HCL thread as well as all posts that deal in any way with either the issue or the personalities and concerns of the participants will be posted as soon as possible. We are attempting to try to figure out how to do this.

    Everything will remain intact.

    Thank you for your patience, your participation and your comments.

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  • Halm = straw stad = town = Halmstad! -- Josie, 10:49:47 06/18/03 Wed
    It's SO good to be back ( yeah Im sarcastic ) :)

    but one thing I don't like about Medeteranean (islands)

    or countries ( can't spell it) is that EVERYTHING is in

    the SAME colour!

    I mean everything is built in Limestone ( sandy colour)

    walls, houses, flats etc!

    Im gonna make it my mission in life to paint the entire

    Malta - if I work 8 hours everyday (alone) I should be

    finished in a a year!


    It's so small and tiny :)

    Im really tiny!

    My god, does anyone know kilos in this place?

    Like Im under 47!

    You can't live on kissing :)

    Anyway, at the moment im doing okay. I will come back

    most likely ( who knows what will happen) but most likely

    to live there BUT ,,, I wont go back 2003.

    At the moment I have to live my life and focus on me.

    I have to gain weight and when Im stronger Im going back to

    work cause Im just so tired now. I have problems with eating

    at times ( long story) not eating disorders though.

    Yeah and my sis and I will go together to Ireland or

    scotland ( she says spring but I say autumn:)

    I pay for it, whatever just to get away.

    Thanx for allt eh hugs and kissing and telling me how

    sweet I am hahahahahaha

    Actually ( I am) ,,, well to him anyway :)

    Okay, tell ya more about the trip later and about the

    " pill" guy - ALWAYS!

    Did I tell ya about that troll?????

    Okay going to bed.



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  • why does it have to hurt so much? -- Josie, 03:23:27 06/17/03 Tue
    Hi, going home today :) thank god.

    Im hurting so bad, it's like a part of me is missing.

    Im crying as I type this is in an internet cafe!

    I never (almost) cry not for others to see but yesterday

    Adrian was here I cried for over 2 hours, he started crying

    too. I know Duck says it happens when it happens,,,,,,

    It did happen - just not for him and it suck.

    I never asked to feel this way and it's cruel.

    For sure he's healthy, happy and we stay in touch and I told

    him I will go on with my life but if he ever wants me

    I want him to tell me. Said he will but ,,,,,

    He says it's not me, it's him. He doe4sn't want anyone right

    now. I feel the same, I just want him. No on else.

    He's not the most beautiful guy on the outside - on the

    inside he's the most beautiful person and for me

    he is everything.

    My all.

    What makes it harder, my fault not his. I was naive and

    stupid is that he have been g/f and b/f for 2 weeks.

    Kissing, hugging, cuddling, he has stayed over.

    I mean I know he didnt kiss me for sex - he says so as well.

    Hard to explain but it wasnt real.I always cried when he

    left. always ssaid - ya not going yrt are uou?

    I just wanted to stop time and when he left it was like it

    was all a dream. And it was. We were on the cinema and

    I held his hand, he held mine - ew kissed and I looked at

    hi and I was thinking that all ppl here think we are inlove

    a couple and they have no idea. This girl lioves him so

    much, more then life itself - what I did to see him.

    And he doesnt feel the same.

    I mean I know it will feel better but it hurts

    and I will never stop hoping and I dont understand why god

    made me love him so, did I do anyhting wrong?

    I must have.


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  • Jubilation As Canada Becomes Third Country to Recognize Gay Marriage -- Dan, 06:10:51 06/18/03 Wed
    (Toronto, Ontario) Gay and lesbian couples across Canada will soon be permitted to marry. The federal government announced Tuesday that it would not appeal an Ontario court ruling that declared a ban on gay marriage was unconstitutional. (story)

    "It's a great day, it's a great day for gay and lesbian people in Canada," said New Democratic MP Svend Robinson, one of a handful of gay members of Parliament. "And I commend the Prime Minister. I think he's shown a real leadership here today."

    (cont in reply)

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  • ***ACTION ALERT*** -- Mitchell, 19:53:47 06/17/03 Tue

    House Leaders Fast-Track ‘Outrageous’ Changes To Popular Children’s Program To Advance ‘Faith-Based’ Agenda

    (Story and link to contact you representative in reply.)

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  • OH MY HECK!! I leave you kids alone for two seconds... -- ~*~Sprite~*~, 22:35:35 06/14/03 Sat
    What is this, the Springer Show?? Out those chairs down right now! This isn't a Geraldo Rivera sound stage!!

    I must say, I am enjoying reading everyone's posts, but if they rest of you are up to speed on them already, here's a little something different. After all, all work and no play.....

    Just follow the glitter boyz...

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  • Pardon the ranch dressing.. I got kinda carried away on this salad -- Kris, 23:04:11 06/14/03 Sat
    I just wanted to say Thanks for making me do a lot of thinking the last couple days. Maybe thats the real value of this debate.. not trying to change minds but MAKING us all think for a switch. Nothing like having to validate your thought process to make your brain muscles explode! Seriously though in trying to make a case for my opinion( at least to myself) I have had to reevaluate some of my "emotional baggage". I am not sure that my mind will change and it isnt as if I would vote AGAINST hate crime legislation but I am getting a more well rounded picture of the thinking on both sides of the issue.

    You boys just rock!

    *sneaks up and climbs on Eddie's coattails* shhhh

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  • While Drew enjoys his "honeymoon" I will try to -- Chris, 15:32:44 06/12/03 Thu
    post some news for everyone. We miss you, Drew! Congratulations to both of you.

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  • I understand a little more how Lance felt making that list. -- Chris, 16:16:08 06/12/03 Thu
    I decided to help him but it's so hard.

    A silent and saddened court was told on Monday that just before slain transgender teenager Gwen Araujo was killed at a house party in Newark, Calif., she offered one of her assailants "a couple grand" to take her to safety.

    This is so hard.

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  • Assault conviction, but no hate crime -- Mitchell, 01:27:05 06/12/03 Thu
    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

    Aaron Price faces 10 years in prison for attacking a fellow Morehouse College student but was acquitted of what prosecutors argued was a hate crime, motivated by anti-gay feelings.

    (in reply)

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  • Closing arguments expected Wednesday in Morehouse beating trial -- Mitchell, 23:02:10 06/10/03 Tue
    Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer

    The prosecution and defense have rested their cases in the Morehouse College beating trial, and Fulton Superior Court jurors are scheduled to hear closing arguments Wednesday morning.

    Former sophomore Aaron Price is accused of attacking fellow student Gregory Love in a dormitory shower in the state's first hate crime trial. Price faces a maximum of 20 years on each charge if convicted of aggravated assault and aggravated battery.

    District Attorney Paul Howard is prosecuting the case as a hate crime, which could add as much as five years to a sentence.

    The prosecution claims Price attacked Love because he suspected Love was a gay student making sexual advances.

    In defense testimony, Price admitted that he was "scared and embarrased." when the shower incident occurred Nov. 3. "I was naked in the shower. What could I do?"

    Price is accused of attacking Love, a music and political science major, after Love entered a shower area being used by Price. After the encounter, Price acknowledged that he went to his room to get his 26-inch Little League baseball bat but only for his own defense. He claimed that when he returned and tapped with the bat on Gregory Love's shower stall, the taller and larger Love charged him.

    Price admitted hitting Love in the head and knocking him down but insisted he hit him only once.

    Price denied Love's testimony on Monday that he shouted "faggot" and homesexual slurs, and Price insisted, "I was scared. He's charging at me. He's bigger than I am."

    Price admitted in an intensive cross examination by Assistant District Attorney Kellie Hill, that he got his bat because "I was still upset. . . He [Love] violated me by looking at me."

    "Did you say you felt that he was sexually aggressive?" Hill asked Price.

    Price hedged, saying at first, "I don't know." He later acknowledged using the word "sexually aggressive" in a letter written with the assistance of relatives to Morehouse officials.

    The jury is expected to hear closing arguments before Fulton Superior Court Judge Jerry Baxter at 9 a.m. Wednesday.

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  • Since Jeremy was trying to post this since last Saturday -- Sergio, 15:35:00 06/10/03 Tue
    and had some difficulty ::coughmitchellcough:: I wanted everyone to see the version that actually works.

    Date Posted: 18:33:53 06/09/03 Mon
    Author: (¯`'·.,¸(¯`'·.,¸·´¯`·­jErEmY·´¯`·­,.·'´¯)¸,.·'´¯)

    Subject: this is 4 lancie n drew
    In reply to:
    Lance's message, "HAHA! I bet you say that to all the bois!" on 14:46:20 06/09/03 Mon

    n if it dont work dun blame me. thank michelle i mean mitchell n the pink duck. heeeeeeeeee

    SHUT UP!

    You almost had it, all you had to do was remove Ed’s address before you put mine in.

    Poor Jeremy has been trying to do this post since Saturday night, but I ::mumbles:: sent him the wrong address for the song.

    (Oh Mitchell.....you should hang your head in shame!)

    To hear Jeremy's opinion of Lance and Drew's "Great Debate" just click the reply.

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  • It's time for the season finale -- Paul, 22:16:15 06/22/03 Sun
    of Queer As Folk.

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  • Happy PRIDE Month -- Dante, 20:25:42 06/19/03 Thu
    Why Have A Gay Pride Parade

    by David Nava

    "When do we get our parade?"

    The question was asked more in fun than with envy, more in joking than with malice, but it struck a chord with me. I had casually mentioned to a couple of my straight friends that the Gay Pride Parade was coming up and I was looking forward to it.

    "What about Straight Pride Day?" the female of the couple asked with a grin.

    "Everyday is Straight Pride Day," I answered, also grinning. "This culture celebrates it with gay abandon." She laughed. (continued in response)

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  • OH MY HECK, AYE! -- Sprite, 14:45:48 06/22/03 Sun

    Stop The Gay Canadians!

    First icky legalized homosexual marriage, then the apocalypse. Conservative America trembles

    By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Friday, June 20, 2003

    Hordes of quivering GOP lawmakers and vast throngs of proudly homophobic right-wing Christian Americans fell into an adorable tizzy the other day as the entire really, really big country of Canada announced it will change its law to allow full-on homosexual marriage anywhere in the whole country including Vancouver and Toronto and even "that weird province with all the gay French people."

    Hysteria and open weeping and panicky looks accompanied the uncontrollable overeating of many stale Ding-Dongs, as millions of sexually confused Bush-ites and members of self-righteous Bible-icious anti-everything groups like the American Family Association, along with entire towns such as Colorado Springs, were absolutely certain the world was coming to an end, like, immediately. I mean, Canada's right next door!

    "I don't really know what this means, what it represents, what it entails, what gay people stand for, where they come from or what they do or why they do it or how they become that way in the first place or even if they're allowed to vote or fly in airplanes," announced a very trembly George W. Bush at a hastily arranged press conference in the Super Mega Hetero Gun Room of the White House.

    "But I do know we won't stand for it, and if these gul-dang furriner evildoers think they can get away with these kinds of tender unions and hand holdings and loving smiles and beautiful intimate commitments, well, they haven't seen America's righteous firepower!" he shouted, pounding his cute little fist on the podium. "We shall prevail!" Then he fainted.
    (cont. in reply)

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  • Something to laugh about! -- Pete, 22:27:11 06/20/03 Fri
    As soon as I saw this, I thought, this is for Alie and Drew and everyone at Crzy House! Here's the latest polls showing what Americans are thinking.

    A Vast Majority of Americans Agree
    by Troy Skeels

    Recent polls indicate that only 32% of Americans favor attacking Iran to overthrow its dictatorial regime and destroy its weapons of mass destruction. Most of those opposed responded with "I thought we just did that." When it is explained that Iran is a different country than Iraq, the numbers rise to a more patriotic 83%.

    LOL! (there's more!)

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  • Update on Holly Jones.... -- Kanga, 15:35:13 06/20/03 Fri
    Thank you Lance for allowing the petition link to be posted here, I really did appreciate it.
    Here's the update as of 1030 am Toronto time. Someone was arrested and charged with 10 year old Holly's murder today! The police did an excellent job citing good old fashioned work and hi tech equipment. Although it can't possibly bring Holly back, to have the monster caught is just some good news.

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  • One short comment on an already too long drawn out flame war -- Alie, 02:51:50 06/18/03 Wed

    which you are of course free to ridicule, debate to death, misquote, flame, or delete.

    John was invited by Lance to debate his viewpoint on hate crime legislation. He came to Crzy House, politely introduced himself, and politely posted his view.

    In this whole dismal HCL thread John posted exactly 6 times (provided none of his posts got deleted):
    - his initial post
    - an information on the 14th Amendment as requested by Kris
    - his reply to Lance's post
    - the notice to Lance - Sergio - Bester
    - the post in which he asks why Lance set him up to be the fall guy for whatever reason
    - the post deploring Eddi's loss of his eyesight.

    Except for the last post to Eddi all of John's posts were polite, calm, and well stated, and even this last post was remarkably well-behaved considering the flames he already collected (the same applies to the reading comprehension thread). He didn't insult anybody. He didn't misquote anybody. He didn't whack anybody upside the head with his opinions. He just shared them, upon invitation to do so.

    And the whole thing exploded into his face. And it's not a problem of reading comprehension on John's part.

    You may not like to hear this, but I'll say it anyway: it's gotten pretty difficult to have and share a different opinion on Crzy House if one doesn't belong to the fold.

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  • Just something ..interesting..that i saw -- Eddi, 18:55:24 06/17/03 Tue
    'Roe' Seeks to Overturn Abortion Law
    44 minutes ago

    DALLAS (Reuters) - The woman once known as "Jane Roe" whose case led to the legalization of abortion in the United States 30 years ago filed a new court challenge on Tuesday in a bid to overturn the landmark Supreme Court decision.

    Norma McCorvey, who went by the name Jane Roe in the landmark Roe v. Wade (news - web sites) ruling but later joined the anti-abortion movement, filed a motion in Dallas federal court claiming changes in the law and advances in medicine had rendered the court's original decision unjust.

    At a Dallas rally, she told supporters she regretted her part in the original lawsuit.

    "I want to thank all the wonderful women that are standing here. I'm so sorry that I filed that affidavit," McCorvey said.

    "I long for the day that justice will be done and the burden from all these deaths will be removed from my shoulders," she said in a separate statement.

    Planned Parenthood (news - web sites) president Gloria Feldt said the case was not viewed as a threat to abortion rights.

    "We don't expect the court to take it seriously. And the reason is because it was a good decision," she told Reuters. "Roe v. Wade enabled women to participate in the social, financial and political life of this country."

    The move is the latest challenge to U.S. abortion rights and comes after the House of Representatives and the Senate each approved a ban on a procedure critics call "partial birth" abortion. Minor differences in the two versions remain to be worked out before the legislation goes to the White House.

    The ban, supported by President Bush (news - web sites), would be the first time a specific abortion procedure has been criminalized since the 1973 Supreme Court decision.

    In Tuesday's motion, written by a Texas-based conservative legal group called the Justice Foundation, McCorvey said Roe v. Wade was decided on false assumptions and that no meaningful trial was held to determine the facts.

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  • FCC Appointees Ignored the Public Outcry But Congress May Undo the Damage -- Mitchell, 08:10:52 06/17/03 Tue
    A few weeks ago, we asked you to send emails to the five commissioners at the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) asking them not to allow giant media conglomerates to control even more of the airwaves and newspapers. Members like you were part of the largest public outcry in the history of the FCC with commissioners receiving hundreds of thousands of messages opposing the plan. But these political appointees voted three to two along party lines to allow the corporate giants to control even more of what you see and hear.

    Members of Congress are now considering ways to overturn the FCC's decision. The Senate is moving first with a meeting of the Commerce Committee on June 19 to discuss the problem. We need to encourage every member of the Senate to tell members of the committee to put out a strong bill to overturn the FCC's vote.

    Tell your Senators to overturn the FCC's bad decision. Just click "Reply" and then "Send." Or click on the link below.


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  • I am not sure if this was ever mentioned here, but I thought you would find it interesting... -- Nathan, 23:33:08 06/16/03 Mon
    If you have seen the movie Braveheart starring Mel Gibson you would know what I am talking about...

    However, just for historical sakes I will explain, the movie was about -- (and based on a probable true story since no one written it down I beleive.) William Wallace is honored in Scotland as a freedom fighter. Helping to motivate the peopel to get Scotland out of the strong arm of England and their ruler King Edward 1 "Longshanks". King Edward was a type of ruler who used brutality to gain land and thus taxes and all that. One of his main points of land he dearly wanted was Scotland, but in the end, Scotland fought back and won their freedom from England.

    Now, your probably asking why am I mentioning this on here. Well, I found something interesting. I do not know how to make the family tree of King Edward show on here, but I can provide the link. I think it will be interesting to see. Maybe it'll explain somethings. Also, you will be amazed as to who are actually present day relatives. Hint, two present day politcal leaders. It may explain alot. So, without further adue...

    The present Day Family line

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  • Sexual orientation: a state of being, not just a sex act -- Mitchell, 22:38:10 06/16/03 Mon
    USA Today

    By Joan M. Garry

    I get uncomfortable talking about sex. As a good Irish-Catholic girl, public discussions of that most private of associations bring out the prude in me. When my school-age kids bring it up, we don't talk about the mechanics, but about love, family, respect, safety, honesty and responsibility. Otherwise, sex is a private matter between my partner and me.

    So I'm always taken aback when people confuse sexual orientation with what someone does in the bedroom -- as if they could divine what my partner and I do behind closed doors simply by knowing we're partners. And as a gay civil-rights leader, I spend a lot of time fighting those who maliciously try to convince people that being gay is not a key ingredient of who someone is, but simply what someone does in bed.

    (con. in reply)

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  • Guess what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Nick & Drew, 00:43:30 06/12/03 Thu
    DREW'S HERE!!!!!!

    He got here around 10:00 tonight, we got everything unloaded, and now we're gonna....oh....I can't talk about that on here! *giggles*

    He's going to make a post later on about the trip and all that fun stuff, so stay tuned!

    *hugs and kisses for everyone*

    ~~Drew & Nick

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  • Additional Information Source on HCLs (more) -- John, 17:54:39 06/15/03 Sun
    For those of you who wish to check out further comments or participate in discussions of HCLs and to check out some other interesting topics and sights visit www.crvboy.com ALL are welcomed to observe or participate.

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  • Like Porn??? -- Mitchell, 11:49:29 06/14/03 Sat
    Click Here

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  • News of MAJOR importance... -- Kris, 00:43:21 06/12/03 Thu
    Since our reporter extraordinaire is ummm busy at the moment I'll post this. AND I am not putting it in a reply since I think its too important!

    From Planetout.com:

    Within hours of the Ontario Court of Appeals ruling that legalized same-sex marriages in the Canadian province, plaintiffs Michael Leshner and Michael Stark were married in a civil ceremony in front of a group of about fifty friends. Many other gay and lesbian couples, including Americans, are expected to follow suit, as provincial leaders confirmed Wednesday that they will follow the court's orders. "I'm charged to follow the laws and will follow the laws with regards to this matter," Ontario Attorney General Norm Sterling told Canada.com.

    In Canada's capital, Federal Justice Minister Martin Cauchon said the government knows it must find a prompt "national solution" to the question of same-sex marriages. Courts in Quebec and British Columbia have ruled that same-sex marriages must be legal. But unlike the Ontario Court, the ruling judges in the other cases gave the government a deadline of July, 2004, to take action. Yesterday's ruling, which took effect at once, made next year's deadline irrelevant, as couples from throughout the country may now marry in Ontario.

    Syndicated news reporter Rex Wockner spoke Wednesday with the Toronto city clerk's office, which confirmed that couples who marry in Ontario are not required to be a resident of the country, meaning that American couples may go to Canada to marry.

    Couples must first apply for a license with clerk, Wockner said. Subsequently, they must have the marriage solemnized by a judge, justice of the peace or an appropriate authorized religious representative. The person who conducts the ceremony then files paperwork with the Ontario Provincial Office of the Registrar General, and the married couple may apply to receive their official marriage certificate in about 12 weeks.

    Evan Wolfson, Executive Director of Freedom to Marry, confirmed that anyone may marry in Canada. American couples who do so, he warns, should realize that they will be "as married as anybody on the planet." The decision is not a political gesture. "It's not just a sign-up on a list," said Wolfson. "They will be assuming all the responsibilities and commitments of marriage, and when they come home -- although they might face uncertainties and discrimination -- they will be married."

    Wolfson anticipates that it will take a few years for American courts and legislators to agree on the status of gay Americans who marry in Canada. During this time, Wolfson says these couples will have a unique chance "every day to role model what married gay Americans look like, and help dispel the scare tactics of the religious right."

    Although litigation is a sure bet, as certain states or public agencies resist recognition of the Canadian same-sex marriages, Wolfson cautions couples not to race across the border and come home ready for a lawsuit. On behalf of all gay and lesbian couples seeking the right to marry in the United States, he says, such suits should be chosen strategically and handled, he hopes, by legal groups who are well-experienced in working on the fight for marriage in the courts.

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  • A little bitching -- Josie, 08:34:18 06/12/03 Thu
    I hate fox news, it's the only news channel I have.

    Its so fucked up, they just show the same news over and

    over again and interrupt each other constantly.

    They have these debattes but they only last a min and then

    they interrupt and start talking about somehting else.

    Bush this and Bush that - how boring.

    I mean the world consist of more then just America!

    Well its just Bush and the weather on this news channel.

    And Malta wasnt even on their map!

    Euro news know where the hell Malta is actually:)


    Also saw Doctor Queen in ITALIAN!

    Who gives a shit about Italian?

    Its not even a world language, Im not in fucking Italy.

    Sure it was rerun but hey,, maybe I like to watch it?

    And this was just like the worst thing.

    By the pool this couple in their 45 - 55 put sun lotion

    on each other and HER hand was in HIS shorts.

    I mean, Im on holiday, do I need this????

    At least, I was in my bedroom.



    Love you

    Dont watch fox news.


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  • Life is a bitch and then you die -- josie, 04:00:29 06/12/03 Thu
    Might as well go up to that fucking sky lounge and jump.

    Well OF COURSE I won't - Im not STUPID ( well I am) just

    not THAT fucked up.

    Im really hurting right now, cause I know he likes me

    on certain things he does - wont tell anyone, maybe Lance

    later, that's what makes it hard cause he's just so scared!

    Anyway,,,, going to the pool, he wont have time 4 me today

    later there is a party I think I will check it out.

    Take care


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  • Just incase you’d like to bug Ashcroft some more LOL!! -- Mitchell, 22:56:28 06/11/03 Wed
    Update: Department of Justice Partially Reverses Ban on Gay Pride Celebration

    The Department of Justice has partially reversed the decision to ban the annual DOJ Gay Pride Celebration. While the event will be allowed to occur this year, it will not enjoy the sponsorship of the DOJ as it has in years past, and as other events currently do.

    Please send a message to Attorney General Ashcroft today to urge him to allow the event to proceed with the full sponsorship of the DOJ. Even if you sent a letter yesterday, send another one today to express your support for equal treatment for DOJ Pride!


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  • *HUGE smile on my face* -- Nick, 15:33:18 06/10/03 Tue
    Drew left Cleveland this morning on his way to Austin. I just talked to him a little bit ago and he was almost to Indiana, and everything is going good. He should be here sometime tomorrow evening/night! He sounds very happy and very excited. =)

    I am soooooo excited I can't hardly sit still! I'm bouncing all over the place!!

    *HUGS for everyone*

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  • This is just to say -- Lance, 19:26:03 06/09/03 Mon

    John and I are going to be discussing the pros and cons of hate crimes laws.

    He has never used a Voy board before so we're going to go thru some basic things here so that he feels comfortable before we start the "discussion".

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  • Urge Attorney General John Ashcroft to Reconsider Decision to Ban Gay Pride Celebration -- Mitchell, 22:44:15 06/09/03 Mon
    U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft has banned the Department of Justice's annual Gay Pride Celebration. Please use HRC's Online Action Center today to send a message urging the Attorney General to reconsider his decision!


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  • I give up on America -- Drew Greyfox, 19:25:25 06/04/03 Wed
    Wolfowitz: Iraq war was about oil

    George Wright
    Wednesday June 4, 2003

    Oil was the main reason for military action against Iraq, a leading White House hawk has claimed, confirming the worst fears of those opposed to the US-led war.
    The US deputy defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz - who has already undermined Tony Blair's position over weapons of mass destruction (WMD) by describing them as a "bureaucratic" excuse for war - has now gone further by claiming the real motive was that Iraq is "swimming" in oil.

    The latest comments were made by Mr Wolfowitz in an address to delegates at an Asian security summit in Singapore at the weekend, and reported today by German newspapers Der Tagesspiegel and Die Welt.

    Asked why a nuclear power such as North Korea was being treated differently from Iraq, where hardly any weapons of mass destruction had been found, the deputy defence minister said: "Let's look at it simply. The most important difference between North Korea and Iraq is that economically, we just had no choice in Iraq. The country swims on a sea of oil."

    Mr Wolfowitz went on to tell journalists at the conference that the US was set on a path of negotiation to help defuse tensions between North Korea and its neighbours - in contrast to the more belligerent attitude the Bush administration displayed in its dealings with Iraq.

    His latest comments follow his widely reported statement from an interview in Vanity Fair last month, in which he said that "for reasons that have a lot to do with the US government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on: weapons of mass destruction."

    Prior to that, his boss, defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld, had already undermined the British government's position by saying Saddam Hussein may have destroyed his banned weapons before the war.

    Mr Wolfowitz's frank assessment of the importance of oil could not come at a worse time for the US and UK governments, which are both facing fierce criticism at home and abroad over allegations that they exaggerated the threat posed by Saddam Hussein in order to justify the war.

    Amid growing calls from all parties for a public inquiry, the foreign affairs select committee announced last night it would investigate claims that the UK government misled the country over its evidence of Iraq's WMD.

    The move is a major setback for Tony Blair, who had hoped to contain any inquiry within the intelligence and security committee, which meets in secret and reports to the prime minister.

    In the US, the failure to find solid proof of chemical, biological and nuclear arms in Iraq has raised similar concerns over Mr Bush's justification for the war and prompted calls for congressional investigations.

    Mr Wolfowitz is viewed as one of the most hawkish members of the Bush administration. The 57-year old expert in international relations was a strong advocate of military action against Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Following the September 11 terror attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon, Mr Wolfowitz pledged that the US would pursue terrorists and "end" states' harbouring or sponsoring of militants.

    Prior to his appointment to the Bush cabinet in February 2001, Mr Wolfowitz was dean and professor of international relations at the Paul H Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS), of the Johns Hopkins University.

    [MY GOD!!! What do these criminals have to do for the American people to throw them out of office and into jail where they belong?!?!?! They lie through their teeth, kill thousands of innocent people, and then admit their reason for doing so was greed, and the American public accepts it?!?!?!

    I guess America really does deserve Bush. If the American people are too lazy and stupid to care and would rather feel secure or strong or have all the answers spoon fed to them then I guess they deserve to lose their jobs, lose their homes, lose their freedoms...they've already given up their integrity and honor. The people and government of the United States have shown themselves to be some of the most ignorant, indifferent, and greedy on the face of the earth, and I am ashamed to be among them.

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  • Hej bebisar! -- Josie, 05:47:14 06/10/03 Tue
    Daddy called today, he really misses me.

    WE havent seen each other for a long time.

    Honestly, I miss them ( I love em) but dad is so negative

    and the things he say - well he makes me sad.

    Its better if Im not home much.

    ANYWAY - I want to be here :)

    Cecilia mi amiga is going home today BUT she will be flying

    to the STATES in a week to work on Disney Cruises.

    I will go back to Duke and work my tiny ass off and go back

    here to study for 6 months I think :)

    Tonight HOPEFULLY I MIGHT get to see my friend - seen him

    twice in a week, would have been 3 times but he has been

    sick, so.

    Okay, just been out shopping, right bow Im feeling really

    great...... dad said we would have a greta summer in

    Sweden, I might kill myself but,,,, hahahahaha


    Love you guys and Mitchy - Bitchy while Im here Serge is all

    yours, hmmmm I don't need him LOL


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  • BABY CAKES! -- Josie, 10:46:16 06/08/03 Sun
    Hahahahaha yeah it's me Josie - Lance's girlfriend.

    Anyway Im in MALTA :) 2 creeps has come up 2 me.

    My friend was filming a boat and there I was drinking water

    and this old man came up and asked where I was from etc

    then he asked if I was married ( I answered) and he said

    - I take pills.

    Don't laugh, it's so not funny. I dont wear ANYTHING

    challenging - and yet these things always happens 2 me?

    Anyway - I guess Im just hot LOL hahahaha NOT!

    Hmmm I had an AWESOME evening this Friday - could have

    ended better. Well, we will see.

    My friend Cecilia will leave on Tuesday so if anyone wants

    2 u can MAIL me / NOT YOU MITCHY!



    Anyway take care everybody



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  • Thought this might be somewhat relevent to the "great debate" below -- Drew Greyfox, 01:59:12 06/09/03 Mon
    What Is Patriotism?

    Charley Reese

    What with all the flag-waving, pro-war and anti-war rallies, Memorial Day observances and so forth, it seems to be a good time to consider exactly what patriotism is and what it isn't.

    The best definition I've run across is "love of the land and its people." Most of us who live in an urban environment might not have the same feelings about land that our more agrarian ancestors felt, but we still become attached to places. Familiarity in this case breeds affection. Who doesn't feel affection for the areas where they were born, grew up and lived?

    A patriotic love of land, of course, means our own nation — that land within the borders of the United States. The land immediately on the other side of the borders — say, in Canada — might look just like our land, but it isn't. I feel more at home on the New York side of the Niagara River than I do on the Canadian side, and I am a Southerner. But Southerner or Yankee or Westerner, we are all Americans. Despite the similarities, the United States and Canada are distinctly different countries with different forms of government, different cultures and different traditions.

    What makes us unique as a people is certainly not race or ethnicity or religion. We're a hodgepodge of those things. What makes us unique is that we do not take an oath to a politician or to a political party or even to a government. Our oaths in this country are to the Constitution, that written charter of government and basic rights.

    Teddy Roosevelt, one of the few geniuses to occupy the White House, once said that an American citizen should stand by a public official only so long as and to the extent that the public official stands by the Constitution. This is entirely consistent with America's founding philosophy. If we have to choose between a politician and the Constitution, we must choose the Constitution. To support a politician who doesn't support the Constitution is to be disloyal to the very thing that makes America, America.

    That being the case, it would be a good idea for all Americans to read their Constitution. It's not a lawyer's document. It was written in plain English by some very intelligent men and was intended for public consumption. There are some ambiguities that could lead to honest disagreement about the meaning, but they are mostly on minor points. Americans should also read The Federalist papers, a collection of newspaper articles written during the constitutional ratification debate.

    There is no room at all for the ridiculous interpretations some judges and others have made of the Constitution. It was intended to be strictly construed, not surrealistically construed, and if changes are needed, they should be amended by the process the Constitution provides. All Americans should object strenuously to "amendment by interpretation." That is as anti-American, as anti-democratic as you can get.

    Too many Americans, it seems to me, associate patriotism exclusively with war. A constitutional war in defense of our land and our people naturally deserves support. The last war that fits that description ended in 1945. Since then, more than 100,000 Americans have died in battle, but not in defense of our land and our people. Since we are a free people, presumably able to control our government, that is our fault. We must learn not to be so susceptible to demagoguery and propaganda. We were never intended to be a people who would shout "Heil Bush" (or Clinton, Nixon, Reagan or anybody else).

    The greatest dangers facing us today cannot be solved militarily, yet these civilian concerns are being de-emphasized by unnecessary wars against Third World countries. We had better concentrate on rebuilding the United States rather than Iraq or Afghanistan, and we had better worry more about the health of our people than sending our money to Africa or Asia.

    Love and concern for our land and our people is the patriotic duty of every American. How about supporting all of the American people for a change instead of just those in uniform? Let us not throw away the very things so many Americans died to protect for some cockamamie scheme to run the whole world.

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  • We have a new feature on the board? -- Lance, 08:33:04 06/08/03 Sun

    Does it work? Well if only works if you pay money to VOY? HAHAAA!

    OK - NO ONE HAS TO PAY MONEY TO POST ON THIS BOARD. And the day we do have to pay money on this board, it will be moving to another server (which it probably will be doing anyway.)

    I'm looking at several other format types of board. I really liked some of the features on a board (Deweys) until I checked it today to see if there was a reply to post - and saw that just ONE day's worth of GLBT news items had put even BRAND NEW POSTS made at the same time on the same day by the same person...into the archives!! HAHAA!

    So, using a forum like that would mean that everytime Drew posted the news, half of his news posts would automatically be sent to the archives. WTF!! The whole point of having one of those compartmentalized, multi-subject boards is so that EVERYTHING is easy to find, always on view, and available for much longer than they are on Voy. But looking at that board, even current news is shoved back to the archives, so I guess I will keep looking for a forum format that meets our needs.

    In the meantime, Crzy House will stay where it is, warts and all, and NO ONE HAS TO PAY ANY MONEY OR LOG IN and all that crap, OK?


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  • I miss him:( -- Josie, 11:02:14 06/08/03 Sun
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  • Subway Jim for President in 04 -- Subway Jim, 00:45:40 06/08/03 Sun

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