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| Subject: Is Laura Berger the one who outed Ernie and his partner, Ric. | |
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] Date Posted: 14:10:07 07/05/13 Fri In one of the multiple threads about LJB, someone called out Ernie for his connections to Jake Cruise and dug up all of that old news. It got me wondering. Is LJB the one who turned him in? It seemed so random that it would come up as a response to Ernie's dismay about her social media comments. Is LJB head on a stick? Thoughts? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
| [> Subject: What is head on a stick? | |
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Author: wondering [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:43:02 07/05/13 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: When this all was leaked to the press, some volunteers vowed not to rest until we had the heads of those who did it on a stick. Head on a stick. | |
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Author: abacus [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:08:55 07/06/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Lets not speculate because that is a serious accusation, but it would not surprise me. | |
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Author: ..... [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:55:45 07/05/13 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: If so, come on Laura, own it. You yourself said you are free from the need to be politically correct. It isn't an accusation. It's a question. | |
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Author: abacus [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:02:41 07/05/13 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Her silence says a lot. | |
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Author: We all know you read this message board Laura. Time to come clean about what a hurtful person you truly are. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 05:07:15 07/06/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: All a mod would have to do is compare IP address. She was posting in here and signing her name... | |
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Author: Just saying. There ARE ways of finally getting to the bottom of this! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 05:12:33 07/06/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: In response to the request regarding IP addresses, click in: | |
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Author: Marge the Moderator [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:15:42 07/06/13 Sat The following three anonymous posts all came from the same IP address in Burbank (FYI - The Bergers live next door in Glendale): 1) Ernie (or should I say Jake), why don't you just get back to your gay porn websites instead of masking an a$$ out of yourself even more? You and your partner Ric Alonso are even bigger disgrace to the MCO! ((click inside)), In response to 1): Boring old news. We've all known this and yet we love and embrace Ernie anyway. (NT) -- Fail for you 2) That says a lot about you. (NT) -- (and it isn't good) In response to 2): Yes it does. I don't throw stones unless I've got an immaculate house. (NT) -- You must think you do. 3) No, it shows that you are a hypocrite. Shame on you. (NT) -- Sure, you tolerate a disgusting and degenerate pervert but not Laura, who had the great audacity just to make a light-hearted comment on FB that those jealous of her have now tried to crucify her with. And you try to lecture others on casting the first stone? Don't make us laugh you simpleton. The only signed post comes from a cell phone ISP in Carson, so it could be anyone traveling in that area: Hi all. I don't hate the state. I'll answer you with what I answered on my facebook page. "Hating on and hating are two different things, first of all. Hating on is a term of art used to describe disdain. This state has been amazing in the past and has the potential to be wonderful once again. However, as long as the people in power remain in power, this state's economy will continue to drag down the state as a whole. I wish I could love California, I really wish I could. But I believe we are too far gone to rebound. And as Miss California, my terminology would be different, but my sentiments would remain the same. I hope that my voice can be better served by NOT being Miss California, so that I can be more of a voice for positive change if this state is to have any."I've worked in politics in California. Two political races, and for a political party, across both LA and Orange County. I know what is wrong with this state. I've seen it all first hand, regardless of your political affiliation. California was the land of opportunity for my parents, each of whom moved here from New York and Chicago, respectively. I do not believe that California is the land of opportunity for my generation. Until it can prove itself otherwise, I have no allegiance. That is the beauty of our federal system...we can pick and choose which state(s) best fit us. Now, if I'd moved before I aged out, you'd all have had TONS to say about that! I can just hear the "carpetbagger" comments. So let it go, y'all. I've never aimed to please ANY of you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Sounds like the Bergers decided the purge it all figuring they had nothing else to lose by saying what they've been keeping in for so long. All because she didn't win in spite of getting as far as she did? | |
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Author: Oh well. So we all keep our attention on the sweet girls who loved their journey! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:00:50 07/06/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Laura was going to compete in DC and even trashed Bob to the DC ED. The DC ED called and told Bob. | |
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Author: Does she ever learn. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:04:50 07/06/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I wonder what Ernie thinks about all this? | |
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Author: ?? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 04:27:12 07/08/13 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: I think anything is possible, but I am not in a position to make any accusations against any individuals without proof. The entire episode has been very hurtful and disturbing to me because it prevents me from doing something I love, and I don't know the motive or the rationale behind it. (more inside) | |
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Author: Ernie Koneck [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:01:05 07/08/13 Mon And frankly, there's not a thing I can do about it. I get questioned all the time about when I'm coming back, and my answer is always "I don't know if I'm ever coming back," in any kind of official capacity. Maybe volunteers should start asking Bob that question, though to be fair to Bob, his hands may be tied by MAO. I'm not sure who from MAO contacted him about me - Art or Sam. If it was Art, maybe they don't care as much? If it was Sam, maybe they're as adamant as ever? I truly don't know. I also don't know how widespread support for me is within MCO. There are plenty of people who express their support, but there may be just as many who say nothing. So far, no one has come up to me and said "Good riddance!" so I guess that's a good sign. Haha! But it would be interesting to see a secret ballot involving all volunteers from all committees given a vote: let him back in, keep him out, don't know who he is, don't care - just to see how the numbers shake out. If they were overwhelmingly positive, maybe Bob could make a case with MAO. In a perfect world, I would come back in a heartbeat, but not as an ED. My former program is in good hands with Tom, Kari and Leslie, and I've spent enough time as an ED. I would prefer to be a Deputy/Field Director because they all seem to be overloaded with work, but most of all I'd like to work in 3 areas: 1) developing a written manual for EDs on rules and regulations, policies and procedures and best practices for running a local. It would help take some of the pressure off the Field Directors, and part of every fall meeting would be focused on certain sections of the manual so EDs learned the various areas in depth; as an outside looking in the past 2 years I've been somewhat dismayed by some of the blatant rules violations that have gone on and been allowed. 2) Corporate fund raising - contrary to what most of you know about my career, the vast majority of it has been spent in consumer products marketing with a fair amount of sales experience tied to it. My personal dream/goal would be to develop a network of corporate sponsors that would become the primary source of scholarship funding for MCO, without the long-term goal of eliminating reliance on contestant ad-selling as a source of scholarship dollars. I may be the only person in the state who feels this way, but I'm very uncomfortable with the notion that the money awarded to contestants in scholarship is raised by the contestants themselves. If that's not literally true, then the organization needs to do a much better job communicating that there are other sources of scholarship funds. In any event, I would anticipate targeting major CA corporations and making presentations to them in conjunction with current and former titleholders - who I think are the single best marketing tool this organization has. It doesn't have to just be the current Miss California, but can be former state and local titleholders as well, some of them selected because their experience may tie in especially well to a particular sponsor. I would anticipate a multi-year campaign, that would also include continuing building of the Century Club and Gold Sponsor programs as well as further development of the titleholder alumnae network, with the ultimate goal of all scholarships funded by non-contestants. By no means would I let contestants off the hook for selling program book ads. However, I would use the funds to pay for contestant-related expenses like meals, housing, production-related expenses (more stage lighting!) that directly impact them during pageant week. 3) Contestant recruiting: This is the area that could really spell the end of the this program if we don't do a better job of it. Some locals do a superb job. Others don't. From what I can tell, and I freely admit my vision isn't really clear on this point, my impression is that most opens do a pretty lousy job, relying almost exclusively on returning contestants. The fact is the 61 girls on stage at Miss California represented just 280 contestants who competed at one or more locals statewide. So the ratio of titleholders to contestants is less than 1:5. That's not very high. Four years ago, there 350 girls competing statewide. Now, we can all argue about the many reasons why girls don't compete, and acknowledge that this program isn't for everyone, but in a state with 38 million people, I can't believe there are at least one or two thousand who would be interested. I think the answer may be a combination of things: aggressive use of social media at the local and state level, a second web site that focuses on the Miss California experience and sells the program; the current web site is extremely functional for people in the organization (maybe the best in the nation in that regard), but doesn't offer a lot for newcomers wanting to find out more, and rather than expanding it, it might be more user-friendly to create a second site with a totally different purpose. And by the way, I happen to know a certain Miss California 2013 who would love to spearhead such a project. School visits may work in some communities. AN experiment I personally started but wasn't able to finish when I got kicked out, was posting on as many high school Facebook pages as I could find about our Teen pageant. It may be worth a shot, especially for structured pageants. Also, check out the Facebook pages of any colleges in your territory. So that's what I'd like to do. California is Miss America's most amazing state in so many ways and this year's webcast was the first opportunity for the rest of the nation to get a taste of it. Virtually all the comments I saw were positive (except for the dark lighting) but people were amazed at the calibre of our contestants. So that's my very long answer to a very short question. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Ernie, I would KILL to have you working on those three projects. I am so hopeful that one day you'll be back in an official capacity- we NEED you. | |
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Author: <3 [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:25:29 07/08/13 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ernie, I would KILL to have you working on those three projects. I am so hopeful that one day you'll be back in an official capacity- we NEED you. | |
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Author: Let's get Ernie back! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:47:20 07/08/13 Mon MCO would definitely benefit from Ernie returning! Ernie, you are needed! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: This volunteer loves you and appreciates everything you do for our girls in an official capacity or not. MAO lost out big time when they chose to kick out such a dedicated volunteer. | |
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Author: Cristine Strysko [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:17:41 07/08/13 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: I still don't know what the big deal is. He does/did the books for a adult production company. Hell somebody has to! All I can say is that it must have been one hell of a slow news week. I've said it before but, the national pageant had a judge that negogiated her own daughter's sex tape where she was urinated on, yet MAO forced out someone whose crime was doing keeping records and making sure taxes were paid for a company. | |
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Author: JEEZ [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:29:56 07/08/13 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Ernie, you have a great vision for this organization and I truly hope you will be able to return and help to put some or all of these things in place! | |
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Author: Thanks for always being classy and professional. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:04:53 07/08/13 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |