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Subject: swimsuit GA talent Florida
Author: . [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:45:05 09/12/13 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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HUH???? What happened???? (NT) -- ????, 17:24:57 09/12/13 Thu Re: swimsuit GA talent Florida -- what happened to florida's leg?, 17:55:05 09/12/13 Thu She tore her ACL in talent rehearsal this afternoon (NT) -- fan, 18:09:42 09/12/13 Thu Why didn't Crystal win SS? Everyone said she looked outstanding! (NT) -- ??, 18:13:45 09/12/13 Thu what a trooper! -- Go Miss FL!, 18:31:23 09/12/13 Thu Many people said she was strong in all stage categories but simply doesn't have the IT factor. Neither did Jacqueline Fontaine and she got 1st runner up. I honestly don't see her being crowned Miss America. (NT) -- Think someone else., 19:04:18 09/12/13 Thu Re: Many people said she was strong in all stage categories but simply doesn't have the IT factor. Neither did Jacqueline Fontaine and she got 1st runner up. I honestly don't see her being crowned Miss America. (NT) -- maybe you mean kristy cavinder?, 20:03:21 09/12/13 Thu Fontaine, first rup???? Having doubts Crystal will win the crown. Hope I am wrong, wishing Crystal a successful night on Sunday!!! (NT) -- GO CA!!!!!!, 02:49:53 09/13/13 Fri Kristy had IT, she is one of our best Miss C's ever! (NT) -- !, 03:48:14 09/13/13 Fri Kristy Cavinder was 1st runner-up, and Jackie Fomtaine made the top 10. Also worth keeping in mind, if this panel didn't love Crystal enough to give her a prelim award, they certainly may have loved her enough to get her into the top 15. The celebrity panel takes over from there, and 70% of Sunday night's score that determines the top 5 out of the 15 will be awarded by that panel. They also do the final ranking to determine the winner. So if the celebs love Crystal, and they very well might, Sunday could be a whole different ball game. (NT) -- Ernie, 05:05:07 09/13/13 Fri We can only hope!!!!!! Very strange! (NT) -- !, 05:23:55 09/13/13 Fri Wondering if her placement is a factor?? (NT) -- Too early in the lineup?, 05:28:37 09/13/13 Fri Nope, if you are great, they find you, placement has nothing to do with it, and besides she chose that place,meant. Few years ago, Miss ARK. was the 1st one out in talent, 1st night, and was First Runner Up! (NT) -- Not sure what happened, except we didn't see the interview and we all know how that counts above all else., 06:49:30 09/13/13 Fri I'll agree with you to a point. At the local and state level, where the panel usually is has a majority of veteran pageant judges, I think it's true your placement doesn't matter. Veteran judges know what to look for, they can spot it wherever you are, etc. But this prelim panel is not mostly veterans. For many it was their first time judging and despite what is said in the briefing, I think it's somewhat human nature to hold back scores (even subconsciously) or think a girl is, let's say, an 8 but then start seeing everyone else and realizing maybe she was actually a 9. (NT) -- Looking forward to a whole new ballgame on Sunday!, 07:37:01 09/13/13 Fri I dont think "the panel didnt love her enough" is the term I would use. I judged several state pageant and there have been many times when some of the judges were suprised at the Prelim Winners. There have been many times when I personally did not think that a contestant deserved a Prelim Award but had her as my winner. (NT) -- Prelims dont mean a thing., 06:58:14 09/13/13 Fri I've always thought Crystal has a special IT factor. Wonderful and accomplished young woman, who would be a fabulous Miss America! (NT) -- Go Crystal!, 05:51:02 09/13/13 Fri All prelim winners came from 2nd half of their groups. That tells me these judges are not awarding points consistently throughout the competition. (NT) -- Good riddance to this panel., 07:12:07 09/13/13 Fri Was there all week. Crystal looks fantastic. Everyone in my group had her as the winner in SS. In Talent,most had NH; one had MO; one had WI (NT) -- GOWN was beautiful, 07:25:46 09/13/13 Fri Many Many folks had Crystal as SS winner, judges just didn't go for her style, happens sometimes. (NT) -- Wow, strange., 07:36:36 09/13/13 Fri Does anyone know of a picture of Crystal in her gown?!?!? (NT) -- DYING to see it!!!, 08:29:41 09/13/13 Fri Go to the Pageant Guru page. There is a picture of her. I am surprised Crystal wore her lavender state gown. Perhaps she has another gown saved for the final evening? (NT) -- ???, 21:21:13 09/13/13 Fri That wasn't her state gown. It was a gown designed by GE based on the gown she wore at state (NT) -- Same gown she'll wear Sun, 07:23:05 09/14/13 Sat Exactly my point with her placement. We all know placement shouldn't matter, but I thunk it did with this panel (NT) -- High hopes for Sunday!, 07:04:16 09/14/13 Sat If the judges "saved" their scores, the the final ballot should fix that. (NT) -- ..., 09:23:57 09/14/13 Sat STOP! Stop jumping to conclusions that the judges did like Crystal becasue she did not win a Preliminary Award! We dont know what the judges think, like, or dont like. Prelims dont mean squat in the bigger picture. For all we know Crystal could have been second in SS and talent but had the highest overall points in her group. (NT) -- She is still in the mix and I would not be surprised if she was the next Miss America!, 08:30:27 09/13/13 Fri SS pic of Crystal tells the story - not a good style SS to show off her great body! Wish she picked a different style. (NT) -- Thoughts!!, 09:49:55 09/13/13 Fri Miss Georgia used to be fat and weighed over 200 pounds in high school. Im guessing she mentioned this in her interview and that carried over. (NT) -- If Crystal was fat in high school she would have won Swimsuit, 12:54:31 09/14/13 Sat Quite a few women have won Miss America without winning a preliminary. (NT) -- abacus, 10:44:18 09/13/13 Fri YES that is true! (NT) -- Fingers crossed!, 11:14:47 09/13/13 Fri In fact, the odds aren't bad. 8 of the last 21 Miss America's were not prelim winners in talent or swimsuit. (NT) -- abacus, 09:03:32 09/14/13 Sat

Subject: Info from Miss America
Author: Linda Dash [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 05:55:47 09/12/13 Thu Crystal was awarded $5000.00 STEM Award this morning in Atlantic City. Mississippi also received STEM Award. Way to Go Crystal!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Congrats to Crystal! (Part 1) -- Ernie Koneck, 06:00:12 09/12/13 Thu Swimsuit - Georgia......Talent - Florida (NT) -- Linda D, 16:46:46 09/12/13 Thu

Subject: Tom, we need your history knowledge!
Author: GO CRYSTAL! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:41:13 09/10/13 Tue I'm sure many of us are bummed Crystal didn't win her prelim, on what seems by all accounts to be a very tough talent night. Can you tell us how many ladies make the top 5 without winning a prelim? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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TOM, how many recent Miss A's did not win a talent prelim?? (NT) -- Just thinkin', 16:54:47 09/10/13 Tue Lauren Nelson (2007), Kirsten Haglund (2008), Katie Stam (2009), Mallory Hagan (2013) (NT) -- Ernie, 18:17:06 09/10/13 Tue Those are from the 8 years in Vegas - so, 50%. Going back to the "turn of the century" - Heather French (2000), Angela Baraquio (2001), Erika Haorld (2003), Ericka Dunlap (2004), Deidre Downs (2005) - 5 out of 6 from that era; only Katie Harman was a prelim talent winner. So for the past 14 years, Miss America's won prelim talent, and 9 didn't. (NT) -- Ernie, 18:20:53 09/10/13 Tue That was supposed to say 5 Miss America's won prelim talent, and 9 didn't. (NT) -- Ernie, 18:21:58 09/10/13 Tue Does it even matter since a celeb panel is in effect for finals? (NT) -- Danielle Short, 17:00:51 09/10/13 Tue In the last 10 Miss America pageants - of the 50 top 5 finalists, 26 did not win either talent or swimsuit preliminaries. Three of them went on to win Miss America including our current Miss America, Mallory Hagan. (NT) -- Tom Moletteire, 07:14:24 09/11/13 Wed It's worth noting that this panel doesn't have any dance expertise. Their talent background is vocal and instrumental, so maybe all the dancers are at a bit of a disadvantage. (NT) -- Ernie, 09:48:53 09/11/13 Wed Also, there were 4 contestants who everyone said were contenders for the Talent Award including CA and NH. Dont read to much into Preliminary wins. Look at 2005 when Dustin Leigh won Talent and did not make the cut. Also in 2010 Arianna did not win a Talent Award and the contestant that won did not make the cut either, but Arianna did. (NT) -- Its not over till its over!, 12:00:27 09/11/13 Wed Was disappointed and won't deny it. Sure she will make the cut. Fingers crossed for SS win!!!! (NT) -- ME, 13:25:38 09/11/13 Wed I think alot of us were disapointed but just becasue she did not win Talent doesnt mean she out of the running. (NT) -- ..., 15:41:23 09/11/13 Wed I have a strong feeling she will be in the 15. (NT) -- !, 18:32:31 09/11/13 Wed

Subject: MISS AMERICA PRELIMINARY WINNERS- TUESDAY NIGHT
Author: James [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:21:55 09/10/13 Tue SWIMSUIT- MISS MISSISSIPPI TALENT- MISS NEW HAMPSHIRE No talent award for Miss CA [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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UH OH, no way, what happened???? (NT) -- ?????, 16:45:20 09/10/13 Tue It's totally lame what happened tonight, but the last Miss CA to get a talent prelim was Kristy and we've had some phenomenal miss CAs after that and they weren't honored. (NT) -- Weird results every year :(, 19:19:15 09/10/13 Tue Kristy's talent was bar none, she was a 10, so beautiful and talented! (NT) -- Thoughts!, 04:17:35 09/11/13 Wed Re: MISS AMERICA PRELIMINARY WINNERS- TUESDAY NIGHT -- Ms. Pat (Hang in there california believers), 20:31:47 09/10/13 Tue Agree Ms. Pat!!!! (NT) -- Mama, 09:53:07 09/11/13 Wed

Subject: Loving all of Crystal's posts!
Author: Thanks for keeping us all updated at home! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:34:13 09/05/13 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Crystal is doing a PHENOMINAL job of spotlighting the sponsors, both MCO & MAO all over social media! She looks fantastic & is already doing the job with grace and style! There.She.Is! (NT) -- Caryn Brady, 16:38:53 09/05/13 Thu Totally Agree! (NT) -- Love it!, 04:16:34 09/06/13 Fri Re: Loving all of Crystal's posts! -- Maybe it's just me, 12:50:41 09/06/13 Fri Maybe she heard everyone was bitching about and questioning the choice of Mary as stylist and she's just trying to show everyone how wrong they were. Or maybe she's just a super genuine and thankful woman who is grateful for the help she received. Either way, doesn't bother me as long as she keeps looking fabulous (NT) -- which she does. Go Crystal!, 13:34:49 09/06/13 Fri That's because Mary posts them! Mary is one of the administrators of the Miss Ca Scholarship Org page so she posts what she wants. She's probably flooding the voy boards with all the posts about Crystals style and clothes just to legitimize her getting Nikki fired. (NT) -- That's how it goes., 19:42:43 09/07/13 Sat I don't think you understand how social media works. When Crystal takes the photos on instagram, there is an option to have it auto post to twitter and facebook. This is Crystal being her genuine self (excited and thankful about the experiences she's having and the volunteers who have helped her) and it's unfortunate some of you have so much hatred for one individual you can't believe that's the case. If you really think this, I would encourage you to ask Crystal about it after Miss America and get the truth straight from her mouth. (NT) -- Everyone on the the national board is saying how great she looks and you're pissed because it was Mary who helped? This is getting so ridiculous., 04:45:16 09/08/13 Sun I just can't get over how fabulous she looks. A total standout in every photo and she had an amazing intro at the arrival ceremony... CA may just have it this year! -- Fingers crossed, 13:44:01 09/06/13 Fri I am as far from a Mary fan as you can get. Crystal has looked absolutely amazing all week, and I can't wait for the coming week! Can't we all just join together for the next week and support our beautiful Crystal through competition week? (NT) -- please just this once, 08:36:22 09/08/13 Sun Re: I am as far from a Mary fan as you can get. Crystal has looked absolutely amazing all week, and I can't wait for the coming week! Can't we all just join together for the next week and support our beautiful Crystal through competition week? (NT) -- YES PLEASE! Grow up and get a life and enjoy the moment. WE are a team and you all make us look bad to the other states., 04:30:19 09/10/13 Tue Agree, so what if Mary has stepped in and spent thousands of dollars of her own money to purchase clothes for Crystal, be happy Crystal has clothes to wear!! Bob does not spend money for anything more than the competition clothes, he is not required to do so! (NT) -- !, 05:02:52 09/10/13 Tue As a contestant I look forward to Mary purchasing our clothes, for Miss America vents, thank you Mary (NT) -- YES!!!!, 05:32:46 09/10/13 Tue Bob should pay for all of Miss Ca's expenses that aren't covered by sponors. The money is there. (NT) -- Not trying to be nasty, I just think it should fall on the contestant or a volunteer., 05:40:52 09/11/13 Wed Shouldn't. (NT) -- typo, 05:46:00 09/11/13 Wed

Subject: Here's a thought for pageant week
Author: Ernie Koneck [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:02:07 09/10/13 Tue Mary McCaman rarely posts on this board, and probably doesn't even visit it much any more, sinch she seems to be the designated punching bag for all that is wrong in CA that's not Bob's fault. That said, Crystal has made it clear on at least a couple of occasions that Mary has had help with wardrobe from Connie Oliver and Jonna Aluisi, who either picked out wardrobe items, found sponsors or helped provide input into wardrobe decisions. If she weren't afraid of being attacked by a cyber-mob, she'd probably come on here and tell you herself. I realize many people on this board don't like Mary for whatever reasons. Fine, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I really think it's in extremely poor taste, and frankly, it's just a real downer, to have to read your bitching during Miss America week. So, if at all possible, could you refrain from any more anti-Mary comments for this week and save them until after the pageant's over. It's just 6 days. Write them down so you don't forget them and then unleash them all, if you must, on Sunday. I think Crystal would appreciate it. And if Crystal should become Miss America, a lot of out-of-staters are bound to visit this board, and California is going to look pretty foolish with a bunch of in-fighting to show them. So please, spend the next six days thinking happy thoughts and sending them to Atlantic City. That's a much better use of your spare time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Well said, Ernie!!!!! We are in the business of uplifting young women and how can we do that if we rip eachother apart. (NT) -- April, 09:08:23 09/10/13 Tue Thank you, Ernie!! (NT) -- GO Crystal!!! :):):), 10:41:08 09/10/13 Tue Thanks Ernie! Also let's all not forget about tomorrow 9/11/2013. Miss America or not, please let us stop and reflect what tomorrow is and the many thousands of lives affected by 9/11. I think we all need to step back and take a look at ourselves. We are all volunteers who have a love for this program and are most lucky to be able to participate in it. We are all different races, religions, beliefs. We might be outspoken or may be shy. But we have one thing in common. We have freedoms that allow us these beliefs, thanks to those brave souls that protect us. Nuff said. I probably should not be on this board. Peace to you all!. Go Crystal!! (NT) -- Linda D., 11:31:14 09/10/13 Tue Anyone who has watched Teresa Scanlan's you tube video about the impact the mean spirited discussion about her had on her as Miss America should really have been impacted in a way that would make them think twice before posting negative things about people on this or any message board. If you haven't watched it, you should! It could happen to any of our people too! (NT) -- Food for thought, 17:55:11 09/10/13 Tue

Subject: Just for fun, vote for Miss America most beautiful face at Miss America Guru voy message board. Crystal is in top 10!
Author: Sharing! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:02:02 09/08/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: National Sweetheart Night #2 Preliminary Results
Author: Tom Moleteire [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:45:00 08/31/13 Sat Preliminary winners for the National Sweetheart pageant on Saturday were: Swimsuit - Miss West Virginia, Ashley McLaughlin Talent - Miss California, Jordan Krinke!!!!!!!!! Yeah, Jordan!!!!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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So happy for Jordan! Did Leah win talent at Sweetheart? Just trying to remember... (NT) -- :), 17:29:32 08/31/13 Sat No, Leah did not win preliminary talent. She did not make the top 10 and was given the non finalist talent award. CONGRATULATIONS JORDAN!! (NT) -- Great Win!, 17:41:44 08/31/13 Sat Thanks for clarifying. And yes! Congratulations to Jordan!! (NT) -- :), 00:41:24 09/01/13 Sun Jordan in the 15 (NT) -- .., 14:13:26 09/01/13 Sun Any new update??? (NT) -- ??, 16:44:13 09/01/13 Sun Jordan won! (NT) -- according to national board!, 16:52:19 09/01/13 Sun Congratulations, JORDAN WON SWEETHEART!!!! (NT) -- WOW!!!, 16:52:24 09/01/13 Sun Jordan is Miss America's Sweetheart! (NT) -- So very happy and proud of her., 16:52:38 09/01/13 Sun I am happy for Jordan and I hope she wins Miss California next year. But the guru board is reporting that the Miss CA pageant does not allow aged-out contestants to compete at Sweetheart. What if a girl was the one in line and wanted to pay her own way. Bob doesn't have the right to tell the Sweetheart organizers how to run their show. Other states send aged-out contestants, so CA shouldn't stand in the way of a girl who is willing to pay her own way. (NT) -- Lawsuit just waiting to happen, mark my words., 17:26:20 09/01/13 Sun Such a girl could file a lawsuit but it would get thrown out in a nanosecond. Without a contract, neither the Sweetheart pageant, the state pageants or contestants have any rights or obligations to participate. A contestant gets to go to sweetheart not because she has a right to go, rather it is through the graciousness of the Hoopeston Jaycees who create the opportunity for her to participate in such an event and by that of the state organization who allows her to compete or at least does not stand in her way if she chooses to go on her own. (NT) -- Tom Moletteire, 20:06:24 09/02/13 Mon Tom, you know perfectly well that Bob forbids aged out runners-up to attend. That is not Sweetheart's rule, it is Bob's. Because Bob makes up rules about who can attend or not, it could be a problem if some aged-out contestant wants to pursue it. (NT) -- just sayin, 05:53:45 09/03/13 Tue Bob has always made it clear that California is only goin to send a rep that is still eligible to compete and intends to compete for Miss CA. (NT) -- I dont know why everyone is trying to stir up crap and spoil California's first Sweetheart., 07:25:37 09/03/13 Tue With no contract between Sweetheart & the state pageants, Sweetheart has no right to expect states to participate in their program & they have no obligation to invite any state to participate. States have no right to participate nor do they have an obligation to participate. Contestants have no obligation to participate & they have no right to either. Sweetheart can have all the rules they want, but legally, those rules are only guidelines to the state pageants. Contestants have signed no contract ensuring they will be allowed to compete for Sweetheart if eligible and the state pageants make no promises of that nature. One can not sue over a right that does not exist. California has been sending a contestant to Sweetheart every year since 1998. The criteria for choosing who will represent California has been in place for many years and Sweetheart has accepted every contestant we have sent them - including Jordan Krinke - which apparently was a good decision on everybody's part. (NT) -- Tom Moletteire, 14:11:22 09/03/13 Tue Really, people, really? Jordan wins Sweetheart - something no California contestant has done ever. And within 5 minutes the discussion turns to potential lawsuits in the future. Is everyone in the Miss California Organization on antidepressants, and did you all forget to take yours today? What is this dark cloud that hangs over the so-called Golden State? Should it's nickname be changed to the Pewter State? the Iron State? the Charcoal Gray State? Ominous Dark Cloud State? (NT) -- Marge The Moderator, 06:24:18 09/03/13 Tue This program attracts some real losers. (NT) -- Stop with the jealousy., 12:57:42 09/08/13 Sun I am on Cloud 9 about Jordan's win! She did such a beautiful job representing our state and really got attention from all over the country. Her fans in Hoopeston were not just us from CA, but people from other states and local people. It was so cool. I did hear about all of the drama on the National Message Board and asked Bob right away (imagine asking the boss). He has said that it is a "states rights" issue recognized that way by the National Sweetheart Group. Most states have the same policy and use this competition as a learning tool for a future contestant that placed in the top 5 (or further, if necessary). We are so happy and proud of Jordan and I am a bit sad this has created a little damper. This is a huge win for California and just even more exciting for our state as we head into Miss America week. Wishing the best to Crystal! #juju4Crystal is up next! :) -- Kati Enea, 07:12:09 09/03/13 Tue Don't be bummed that crazies slither on here every so often! Who cares? We are all so happy! Sweetheart is not an MAO pageant so no one has a right to anything. One is INVITED and Bob has a right to invite whom he believes would benefit the most. Winning Sweetheart means nothing b/c there are no duties of the winner although the national recognition of Jordan�s talent will hopefully help her in her future endeavors. The honor of competing on a national level like Sweetheart helps a FUTURE contestant hone her skills for future MAO. Leah and Caylynn have both said the experience at Sweetheart really helped them for the win. Next year will be interesting to see Caylynn and Jordan go at it. Another great year at MCO! (NT) -- Winning the whole thing is wonderful! Jordan worked so hard and we're so proud of her! Jordan is/was spectacular and I have a great feeling about Crystal taking it all too! THIS IS CA'S YEAR!, 09:44:14 09/04/13 Wed Who is Bob to decide "who would benefit most" ??? Bob has served well for many years, but he needs to step down. His monarchy is hurting this organization (NT) -- imo, 04:10:31 09/06/13 Fri Why in the world would bob send an aged-out contestant? There is no benefit in doing Sweetheart that serves an aged-out contestant. It's Bobs every right to decide! (NT) -- What's your deal?, 19:46:54 09/07/13 Sat

Subject: VIDEOS OF MOST OF THE 2013 CONTESTANTS IN INTERVIEW AND/OR TALENT
Author: everyone is welcome! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:51:20 09/08/13 Sun http://www.voy.com/209312/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Are any pageants offering a teen title for the first time this year? Are there any that are NOT offering their teen title? OT isn't listed under Sonoma... are they not doing it this year?
Author: ? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 06:08:05 09/06/13 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Congrats to Crystal! (Part 1)
Author: Ernie [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:23:54 09/03/13 Tue Crystal was named one of 5 finalists for the newly created STEM Scholarships at Miss America. The finalists were announced at the welcome ceremony today along with the Quality of Life finalists. The STEM scholarships are for contestants who plan a career in a STEM-related field. Two of the five finalists will receive $5,000 scholarships on Thursday when the winners are announced, along with the Quality of Life winners. The STEM Award finalists are Crystal (who plans to start her own technology company), Miss Mississippi Chelsea Rick (who plans to become a neurologist specializing in pain management), Miss Nevada DIana Sweeney (who plans to become a college math professor), Miss Rhode Island Jessica Marfeo (who plans to become head of the Rhode Island Dept. of Health) and Miss South Dakota Tessa Dee (who plans to earn a masters degree in Kinesiology.) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Go Crystal!!!!!!! (NT) -- Tom Moletteire, 17:00:16 09/03/13 Tue Crystal's arrival outfit appears to be a big hit - even with our dear friends on the national message board. Go Crystal! Also, from what I've seen so far, her makeup looks a lot better than in Orlando, much lighter and prettier. Big thanks to Linda Ontiveros for working her magic there. (NT) -- Ernie, 14:27:18 09/04/13 Wed Are the Stem award winners announced today or next Thursday? (NT) -- Thanks!, 06:26:52 09/05/13 Thu

Subject: Who were the past Miss California Sweethearts 2010-2012? I looked it up on google because until Jordan was offered to go I had not heard of this pageant and I would love to know who all past ca reps were but google only had them until 2009.... Does anyone know :)
Author: So excited for Jordan!!!! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:18:37 09/03/13 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Good question! (NT) -- I would like to know as well, 08:16:32 09/03/13 Tue Most recently: Jennifer Lee (2007-did not place), Megan Lyne (2008-did not place), Jenna Harvey (2009-Second Runner-up), Sharanya Mukhopadhyay (2010-Top 10), Leah Cecil (2011-did not place) and Caylyn Simonson (2012-Top 10). (NT) -- Your Welcome, 08:24:34 09/03/13 Tue Going back a ways, but I think Jennifer Davalar and Kim Gloudemons were both 1st ru at Sweetheart in their years. Maybe 99 and 00? Or 01? (NT) -- Sorry for butchering the spelling of your names, ladies! :), 13:10:42 09/03/13 Tue We have had many talent awards, though! including Leah! (NT) -- love our sweethearts!, 14:31:13 09/03/13 Tue California has sent a rep to Sweetheart every year since 1998. Listed are each rep's name and her placement, if any, at Sweetheart. 1998 - Marina Jurica - top 10; 1999 - Jennifer Davelaar - 2RU, Prelim Talent, Overall Talent; 2000 - Pierrette Robertson - 2RU, Prelim Swimsuit; 2001 Kimberly Gloudemans - 1RU, Prelim Swimsuit; 2002 - Cheri Gorin - 2RU, Prelim Talent; 2003 Veena Goel - Prelim Talent, Non-finalist talent; 2004 Elise Horner - Top 10, Overall Interview, Overall Evening Wear; 2005 - Angel Blue - Prelim Talent, Non-finalist Talent; 2006 - Amy Yetasook - Top 10, Prelim Interview; 2007 - Jennifer Lee; 2008 - Megan Lyne - Non-finalist Talent; 2009 - Jenna Harvey - 2RU, Prelim Talent, Overall Talent; 2010 - Sharanya Mukhopadhyay - top 10, Prelim Swimsuit; 2011 - Leah Cecil - Non-finalist Talent; 2012 - Caylynn Simonson - Top 10; 2013 - Jordan Krinke - National Sweetheart, Prelim Talent, Overall Talent, Prelim Evening Wear (NT) -- Tom Moletteire, 13:40:33 09/03/13 Tue Didn't Leah win overall talent? Bob said she was showcased on the final night. (NT) -- How does she do that if she didn't win overall?, 09:20:07 09/04/13 Wed Non finalist talent performs on final night (NT) -- .., 09:26:25 09/04/13 Wed In order to win the overall talent award two things are required. The first is that one must win their talent preliminary award. Leah did not win preliminary talent at Sweetheart. The second requirement is that the award must be given. In 2011, there was no overall talent award announced at Sweetheart. (NT) -- Tom Moletteire, 14:37:26 09/04/13 Wed

Subject: Did we ever find out OFFICIALLY who was Miss Congeniality and the swimsuit winners?
Author: ? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:50:45 08/30/13 Fri ? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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yes...it would be nice to hear. (NT) -- validation for our girls, 15:27:47 08/31/13 Sat BUMMMPPP We want to know!! -- ,, 12:58:03 09/03/13 Tue I'm about ready to call Bob... except he'd have no idea who I am so he'd likely not tell me. (NT) -- COME ON., 06:59:53 09/04/13 Wed I thought it was announced at the Gala that Marina got Congeniality. (NT) -- Isn't that true? Everyone should have received their awards by now. Can ED's please verify?, 07:46:22 09/04/13 Wed Marina won the hostess award. I didn't hear anything about Congeniality. -- Kati Enea, 08:05:58 09/04/13 Wed Shall we join forces and pester Bob till we get answers? (NT) -- ?, 08:54:41 09/04/13 Wed Marina won the hostess award. -- ., 09:01:21 09/04/13 Wed

Subject: Miss America

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Date Posted: 10:22:46 09/03/13 Tue

I have had 21 years in law enforcement and have been
exposed to the low end of society so long that I had begun
wondering if the younger generation was going to Hell. But,
my daughter just became a Miss ******** and in meeting all
the other young ladies, my whole perspective has changed.
I say congratulations to the girls who are competing and especially to their parents who made it possible.
We will see many of you in Atlantic City and it will be
a great time for everyone.

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Subject: Crystal in Jovani Fashion Show-Atlanta
Author: fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:00:33 08/11/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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(NT) -- fan, 16:05:00 08/11/13 Sun Crystal is so pretty, but not fond of the gowns. (NT) -- thoughts, 19:26:09 08/11/13 Sun I really hope Crystal does not go with a "typical" white dress for her competition gown. This girl needs drama and color...anything less would be a disservice to her beauty and aura. That's why her state gown was so successful. Unique, dramatic yet tasteful, a beautiful stand-out color and above all else MEMORABLE! But it wasn't just the gown, Crystal was unforgettable in that gown. Please no white, illusuion skirts, 1 shoulder/arm, or a ton of lace. (NT) -- just one observer's opinion, 07:25:22 08/12/13 Mon My guess is they are going to stick close to the color she wore at state. (NT) -- That's why Mary went to NC, 08:02:09 08/12/13 Mon Seriously Mary McCamin took overto be sure Crystal wore purple to MissAmerica? Doesn't Crystal know her own mind? If she wins Miss A is Mary McCamin going to travel with her to lockout her clothes? (NT) -- Silly!, 10:43:07 08/12/13 Mon Re: My guess is they are going to stick close to the color she wore at state. (NT) -- The Color Purple (Makes her skin look like old swiss cheese), 01:54:42 08/13/13 Tue Although Crystal wore her hair up to model these gowns, I hope she keeps it down at Miss America. I think she looks better with the hair down. (NT) -- Re: Crystal in Jovani Fashion Show-Atlanta, 13:49:32 08/12/13 Mon Interesting everyone has an opinion, imagine trying to please everyone! (NT) -- I am sure the hair thing was for modeling only, look at all the other models., 14:07:09 08/12/13 Mon All of the Jovani models wore their hair in the "sock buns." It's very common in runway modeling to have all the models in similar or identical hair styles. (NT) -- Ernie, 17:29:46 08/12/13 Mon I was in the room when the models were told to wear buns, like what Crystal was already wearing, at Jovani fashion show. And just so you know, each model wore hundreds of gowns but were not allowed to take pictures of all of them, the pictures she posted were ones that were ok to photograph not necessarily her favorites. Crystal and Lauren did a great job and were wonderful representatives of our state and we should all be very proud of them and thankful to Jovani and to Derek for giving them this opportunity. (NT) -- Cristine Strysko, 03:40:00 08/13/13 Tue Oh so silly, Crystal will know how to wear her hair! What Mary McCamin tells her to do she will do! She will go looking fabulous at Miss A!!!! (NT) -- Dont worry about her hair!, 07:26:12 08/13/13 Tue Too bad some are so set on the color of Crystal's eg, she looks amazing in white, so elegant!!!!! (NT) -- The purple gown was great in the back! That was the only good part of the gown!!, 03:46:27 08/14/13 Wed Re: Too bad some are so set on the color of Crystal's eg, she looks amazing in white, so elegant!!!!! (NT) -- awesome, 17:26:00 08/21/13 Wed Re: Crystal in Jovani Fashion Show-Atlanta (NT) -- This looked like a wonderful time for the girls, 04:15:53 08/20/13 Tue Re: Crystal in Jovani Fashion Show-Atlanta (NT) -- Crystal looks great in everything, 18:47:51 08/20/13 Tue Re: Crystal in Jovani Fashion Show-Atlanta (NT) -- cute, 12:50:05 08/22/13 Thu Crystal will be top 5 in Atlantic City even with a safe, practical, utilitarian gown choice in white. (NT) -- Done deal. No brainer. Class Act., 08:12:25 09/03/13 Tue

Subject: Jordan Krinke of California Crowned Miss National Sweetheart 2013
Author: pageantnews [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:16:19 09/01/13 Sun Jordan Krinke, National Sweetheart California, was crowned Miss National Sweetheart 2013 at the conclusion of the pageant held on September 1st, 2013 at the Hoopeston Civic Center in Hoopeston, Illinois. Hoopeston, Illinois. Jordan Krinke, National Sweetheart California, was crowned Miss National Sweetheart 2013 at the conclusion of the pageant held on September 1st, 2013 at the Hoopeston Civic Center in Hoopeston, Illinois. Jordan Krinke of California Crowned Miss National Sweetheart 2013 Jordan Krinke of California was crowned Miss National Sweetheart 2013 Her court includes the first runner-up National Sweetheart Massachusetts � Meagan Fuller, the second runner-up National Sweetheart South Carolina � Lauren Cabaniss, the third runner-up National Sweetheart Louisiana � Julianne Tippen and the fourth runner-up � National Sweetheart Virginia Victoria Maiden. http://beautypageantnews.com/jordan-krinke-california-crowned-miss-national-sweetheart-2013/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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CONGRATULATIONS JORDAN! So excited for Jordan's WIN! Well deserved!! (NT) -- !, 03:54:30 09/02/13 Mon After the pageant, they announce additional awards. Jordan was the Overall Talent winner and tied for prelim Evening Wear. (NT) -- Ernie, 05:55:32 09/02/13 Mon Everyone has to be thrilled for Jordan! Outstanding win Jordan! (NT) -- Congratulation!!!, 07:10:47 09/02/13 Mon Did she win SS? (NT) -- She looked "WOW" in her swimsuit!, 12:53:12 09/02/13 Mon Shockingly she did NOT win swimsuit!!!!! SC beat her but it couldn't possibly have been by much! (NT) -- Jordan looks incredible!, 13:05:38 09/02/13 Mon

Subject: JORDAN KRINKE IS MISS NATIONAL SWEETHEART
Author: JEFF [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:21:31 09/02/13 Mon [URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/m8mh.jpg/][IMG=http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5184/m8mh.jpg][/IMG][/URL] Uploaded with [URL=http://imageshack.us]ImageShack.us[/URL] [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Wouldn't it be something if Crystal won Miss America and Jordan won Sweetheart! I'd would be over the moon!
Author: It could happen. [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:00:36 08/28/13 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I think that could be a reality! Go Girls!! (NT) -- Love all our girls!, 18:14:45 08/28/13 Wed I would love that!!!!!!!! They are both more than deserving!!!! (NT) -- Love our CA girls!, 18:50:13 08/28/13 Wed WE ARE HALFWAY THERE! (NT) -- Yay Jordan!, 17:32:18 09/01/13 Sun Re: Wouldn't it be something if Crystal won Miss America and Jordan won Sweetheart! I'd would be over the moon! -- Curious?, 19:26:40 09/01/13 Sun I'm not an expert but I don't think it has anything to do with her competing at Miss America or Miss California. She still has to win a county title for 2014 and then compete in the Miss CA in 2014. I don't know if she gives up the Sweetheart title to win a county. I doubt it means she's Bob's favorite LOL. I'm sure he likes all the titleholders. (NT) -- Ernie or Tom can answer your questions for sure., 20:16:51 09/01/13 Sun Re: Wouldn't it be something if Crystal won Miss America and Jordan won Sweetheart! I'd would be over the moon! (NT) -- we need sweetheart carries no obligations or responsibilities, Jordan is free to compete in locals ASAP. this year's Miss Virginia won sweetheart last year, and several miss Americas were previously sweetheart winners., 01:18:21 09/02/13 Mon

Subject: JORDAN KRINKE IS MISS NATIONAL SWEETHEART
Author: LUKE [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:53:37 09/01/13 Sun Jordan wins! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: When does the Ad money and scholorships get sent out does anyone know??
Author: college student [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:15:40 08/30/13 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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You need to contact Coleen Rockey directly. (NT) -- ., 10:37:07 08/30/13 Fri Re: When does the Ad money and scholorships get sent out does anyone know?? (NT) -- Where do we find that number or email address?, 12:18:45 08/30/13 Fri You were handed an envelope at the Gala when you were introduced. Look there. (NT) -- ., 13:07:27 08/30/13 Fri Re: You were handed an envelope at the Gala when you were introduced. Look there. (NT) -- What do the Teens do?, 08:17:19 08/31/13 Sat T5 gets scholarship after graduation of HS. Must submit request to Coleen Rockey within 1year of HS graduation. The rest of the contestants should automatically get paid out. (NT) -- ::, 10:54:02 08/31/13 Sat

Subject: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already...
Author: A thought [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:37:59 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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When will MAOT crown a Western State?! (NT) -- No time soon! Seems pretty rigged!, 14:43:56 08/17/13 Sat It seems they only like white girls from the South with a few exceptions. (NT) -- MAO Teen needs refreshing, 15:11:45 08/17/13 Sat They are crowning gorgeous girls. And CA is not. CA is so intent on crowning "teens" that they miss those who would do well nationally. Prime example: Danamarie. (NT) -- get a clue, 15:20:07 08/17/13 Sat Meaning Danamarie would have been a much better representative (NT) -- no name, 15:23:17 08/17/13 Sat She could have taken it all. Danamarie was/is the real deal. (NT) -- We will get one., 17:24:15 08/17/13 Sat Danamarie will be Miss America. Mark my words. (NT) -- She has it all., 20:35:43 08/17/13 Sat I think I heard she's going to school in WA. Hope she competes in CA (NT) -- !!, 22:05:48 08/17/13 Sat I think Danamarie plans to compete in Washington. If CA is lucky, we may get a "foreign exchange student" in return. Nicole Renard, MWOT 2011 and the current national DYM, is entering Chapman this fall as a freshman. She's an extremely talented dancer (won prelim talent at MAOT) and has a terrific, outgoing personality and strong academics. She's tall, will probably have a killer swimsuit, and a charming interview. But she probably won't be able to compete this coming year due to her DYM duties. But maybe for 2015? (NT) -- Ernie, 11:58:06 08/20/13 Tue If we are not going to crown what the national program is looking for we may as well just appoint a "team player" and be done with it. Stop wasting people's time and money (NT) -- Nothing but a money making event in CA, 15:35:14 08/17/13 Sat Although I congratulate Florida on her win, every year I still think that the teen program still looks for its tried-and-true titleholder. The program seems to always crown the �sweet non-threatening girl,� who will do everything the program wants her to do rather than a forward thinking teen. I am not saying the girl needs to be controversial and outspoken, but rather someone who has her finger on the pulse of today�s society and understands teens. Instead we crown yet another non-memorable titleholder who I am sure will do a great job, but will remain bland and boring. Among the top 12, RI would have been my selection, as I think she is more of a representation of today�s teen. (NT) -- MLB, 16:06:00 08/17/13 Sat 3 things about the Teen program. 1) If California wants to win, we need to relocate to the south. 7 of the 9 national winners have represented a southern state. 2) No bashing intended here but this year's winner had bottom 40 written all over her when they put the state crown on her head. She is certainly pretty enough and charming enough but there is nothing about her that stands out to me. I would have sent the 2nd runner up and if not her the 3rd runner up. The judges missed the boat in Fresno again. Which brings me to my 3rd point. 3) The judges. Although this year's panel seemed good enough, we need to realize that MCOT is a state competition and we need to have state calibur judges. Instead we have local volunteers from programs that don't have a teen. We get nobody with a track record for picking national teen winners and the judges we do get are treated horribly. If you want judges who will commit to the process, then commit to the judges. Maybe Katie can help change that. (NT) -- truth teller, 16:16:35 08/17/13 Sat Personally, I think they should pick judges from big CA cities and stay away from ppl in Fresno. (NT) -- Quality of our CA judges., 17:32:03 08/17/13 Sat I think Kati should look at how successful states select their state teen panels and follow their leads. And yes, bite the bullet and pay for their hotel rooms and meals. It's cheap and clessless to do otherwise (and that last comment isn't directed at Kati. She inherited the system as is.) (NT) -- Ernie Koneck, 17:53:26 08/17/13 Sat Hear! Hear! We should be pursuing the best panels we can get! (NT) -- Good judging is vital., 23:16:38 08/17/13 Sat Ernie, I could be wrong, but doesn't Bob pick the teen panel as well? It's not Kati. Bob needs to stop taking the easy route in picking Fresno/Clovis people. (NT) -- ..., 15:26:31 08/18/13 Sun Kati or Mary McCaman could better answer this question than I could. But I was under the impression the Teen Director selected the panel with Bob's approval, and if they needed local Fresno judges, he would make suggestions because he has so many Fresno connections. But like I said, Kati or Mary would have the definitive answer. (NT) -- Ernie, 12:00:38 08/20/13 Tue Re: Personally, I think they should pick judges from big CA cities and stay away from ppl in Fresno. (NT) -- There is Miss America rules to follow when picking state judges I dont think Ca. follows those rules. That would be the first step to a better panel of judges., 15:35:34 08/23/13 Fri That YOUR Truth.. (NT) -- Doesnt mean its the truth!!!, 09:39:04 08/18/13 Sun Exactly. That's why I started the sentence with "personally." (NT) -- Duh!, 16:38:27 08/18/13 Sun Correct. It is MY truth. Let's take a closer look at MY truth. I said 7 of the 9 national winners have come from the South. the national winners have represented Virginia, Oklahoma, Texas, South Carolina (2), and Florida (2). The two winners who did not come from the South represented New York and Wisconsin. TRUTH! I said Mikaela had bottom 40 written all over her when she was crowned. She finished in the bottom 40 at the national pageant. TRUTH. I said we treat our teen judges horribly. We do not pay for their hotel or meals while they stay in Fresno which is the least any pageant will do for its Judges. TRUTH. That you can't see the TRUTH or agree with the TRUTH, does not change the TRUTH. (NT) -- truth teller, 15:05:00 08/22/13 Thu One other point. I don't think Mikaela's performance had anything to do with her appearance. She's a cute girl, looks like a teen, and is a similar type in terms of looks to the winner. MAOT to me is a total crap shoot. I have tapes of every year's competition and I have no clue how the girls that win do so. Except for the last two - Elizabeth Fechtel and Rachel Wyatt - I don't think physical appearance seemed to play a role at all. I do think academics seem to play a disproportionate role in the results. But honestly, I don't have a clue why the girls who win are chosen. There doesn't seem to be much consistency in what they're looking for. Is there even a job description for MAOT like there is for MIss America? It's very frustrating. Yet the same states (mostly Southern) seem to do well year after year. What have they figured out that CA hasn't? Maybe the Teen powers that be need to review those tapes to see if they can figure out "the magic formula" if one exists. (NT) -- Ernie, 18:07:27 08/17/13 Sat I know Mikaela is disappointed as are we. She is a sweet and talented girl, but I have to say I was surprised when she won the Cal crown. She was not only a dark horse but she was practically an invisible horse. It probably had a lot to do with how Bob prepped them so I guess if Bob doesn't necessarily want a win at MAOT then we need to not be so disappointed when CA doesn't come close to a win, yet again. I'm just frustrated but I don't hold anything against Mikaela. She did her best and its just a pageant but it does seem Cal is in a strange funk right now. We need an ambush makeover from the inside out! (NT) -- Maybe MAOT isn't as big a deal as it all looks anyway., 18:38:08 08/17/13 Sat All I know is that the teens had more strong talent than I've seen in years! And there were some very beautiful girls. We definitely had a great group to choose from. (NT) -- Mikaela should be very proud even if she didn't make the top. You still are beautiful and talented!, 18:51:19 08/17/13 Sat Re: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... -- disappointed, 21:28:42 08/17/13 Sat Re: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... -- Teen Fan, 21:38:54 08/17/13 Sat That's part of pageantry. The new MAOT did not win any prelim awards and there was a double prelim winner who didn't make the T12 (NT) -- The surprise factor!, 21:49:53 08/17/13 Sat Re: That's part of pageantry. The new MAOT did not win any prelim awards and there was a double prelim winner who didn't make the T12 -- disappointed, 21:55:39 08/17/13 Sat Re: That's part of pageantry. The new MAOT did not win any prelim awards and there was a double prelim winner who didn't make the T12 (NT) -- its all so subjective what do we all know. Crystal was the obvious winner did we have one of those with the Teens., 22:23:14 08/17/13 Sat bump (NT) -- squeakie, 06:30:53 08/18/13 Sun I think its great for the CA Teen Team to reflect and try to figure out what MAO Teen is looking for and incorporate that in the judging process on a state and local level. What I dont like is when posters are makeing comments like " if so and so won we would have done better, etc." That is a slap in the face to our titleholders and we all know that we really dont know what would have happened if "so and so" won do we..... (NT) -- Lets be more constructive and support our titleholder!, 09:53:44 08/18/13 Sun Thank you!!!!! (NT) -- Proud of Mikaela, 10:30:14 08/18/13 Sun Re: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... -- Ms. Simmons (not surprised), 10:48:28 08/18/13 Sun Re: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... (NT) -- I would like to think that the most ad seller isnt a requirement. WHO KNOWS!!!, 17:58:47 08/18/13 Sun My opinion of the teen program -- JMHO, 18:30:51 08/19/13 Mon This year our teen had 5 weeks between MCOT and MAOT, in that time she had cheer camp to attend and summer homework to complete, not a whole lot of time for much prep. Next year MAOT is 2 weeks sooner. California teens need to come to MCOT ready for the national pageant, there is no time to "prep" anything. And for the record, in the 9 years of MAOT, California has had a first runner up, a fourth runner up, two girls in the top 10 and another in the top 12. We haven't had a winner yet but we haven't done too bad either. (NT) -- BTW Kati doesn't have a teen titleholder so no conflict, 19:39:38 08/19/13 Mon The short amount of time between our teen pageant and the national pageant was a concern for me, however, Florida's pageant is held in July and so is South Carolina's. Both states have had the most recent winners and both pageants are after ours.. I agree with you, the teen contestants need to arrive in Fresno ready to win in Orlando. In my opinion, this dynamic makes it even more crucial for the local pageants to have a clear direction about what to look for at the local level so they can direct their judges accordingly and then, once they have their winner to prepare her adequately for Orlando - not just Fresno. (NT) -- Tom Moletteire, 00:39:58 08/20/13 Tue I dont think that MAOT has a clear direction on what they are looking for and I think it shows in their judges briefing from what I am told. Not to take anything away from SC or FL, but I think they had a little luck on their side. (NT) -- .., 14:34:27 08/20/13 Tue The only thing MAOT seems to be clear about is the color evening gown the winner wears. All 9 winners have worn white or pink. So if MCOT wants to win MAOT, she needs to wear a white or pink gown. lol... (NT) -- Tom Moletteire, 02:38:51 08/21/13 Wed Don't see luck playing into South Carolina's win, the girl is a doll and seriously talented!!! (NT) -- !!!!!, 02:44:41 08/21/13 Wed Umm, Florida won (NT) -- did I miss something, 06:40:32 08/21/13 Wed They might be referring to South Carolina who won last year. (NT) -- Just a guess., 13:22:51 08/21/13 Wed Yes, LAST YEAR, as stated in this thread. Miss South Carolina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 16:38:12 08/21/13 Wed We also had a top 15 and a top 8 too! (NT) -- :], 14:33:50 08/24/13 Sat How many local teen pageants will there be this year? I am not asking about appointed titles, but how many actual pageants will happen? (NT) -- inquirer, 15:15:57 08/21/13 Wed Bob said he is no longer allowing appointed teens, you must run a teen pageant to have a teen titleholder (NT) -- New rule, 12:48:44 08/22/13 Thu Can another Teen from that same pageant be appointed? Or are they doing away with appointed Teens all together? (NT) -- ??, 13:22:06 08/22/13 Thu There is no such rule prohibiting appointed teen titleholders. Because of space limitations, there can be no more than 100 contestants at Miss California (Miss and Teen combined.) Generally that means about 60 Miss contestants and 40 Teens but the numbers may be fudged a little in one direction or another. i.e. If there are 59 Miss Contestants they might allow for 41 teens. This year there were 61 Miss and 39 Teens. When determining who may compete in the teen program, priority will be given to the teens who won a pageant to get there. Second priority will be given to teens who are appointed. Third priority to at large contestants. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding. (NT) -- Tom Moletteire, 18:42:06 08/22/13 Thu Re: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... -- Real Deal, 09:38:13 08/22/13 Thu Somebody is trying to bury this thread by posting inane responses to comments in other threads. Things like "beautiful" or "she looks good in anything." Nothing they are saying elsewhere adds to the conversation in that thread. It is annoying the hell out of me and I wish they would please stop it. This thread will go away when people have nothing left to say. After Crystal's send off on Sunday, there will be a new post bashing the Baldwins and this one will get less attention. After that, Crystal will leave for Miss America and there will be lots to say about that. Be patient. It won't be on the board forever. These kinds of threads never are. (NT) -- just sayin, 15:13:58 08/22/13 Thu For Miss America's Outstanding Teen pageant, grades matter, transcripts matter, service matters, extra-curricular activities matter. (NT) -- fan, 23:13:54 08/22/13 Thu Some people have suggested that home-schooling is good, because it does not interfere with the travel schedule. I thought it was interesting that the new MAOT has never been on a plane. (NT) -- Should be an interesting year., 23:18:18 08/22/13 Thu I am trying to remember but I think I was a teenager the first time I rode on a plane so I am not certain that Leah's lack of flight experience is all that unusual (NT) -- Tom Moletteire, 06:05:19 08/23/13 Fri I agree! I was 17 when I first got on a plane. We drove to all our vacations and had a great time as a family :) (NT) -- She has so many exciting times ahead this year :), 09:57:46 08/23/13 Fri Re: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... -- Danielle Short, 06:37:31 08/23/13 Fri Yes, if you order the complete set of MAOT DVDs, it includes a DVD of the top 5 interviews, that is, the interviews of the winner and the 4 runners-up, not necessarily the 5 best interviews. (NT) -- Ernie, 12:00:55 08/24/13 Sat Re: Yes, if you order the complete set of MAOT DVDs, it includes a DVD of the top 5 interviews, that is, the interviews of the winner and the 4 runners-up, not necessarily the 5 best interviews. (NT) -- The first step is the local levels current MAOT first pageant ever was her local. So lets start there., 06:54:13 08/25/13 Sun That's what I mean. Even though the winner was a pageant novice, I bet her prep team was a bunch of seasoned vets who left no rock unturned. Do any of the local ED's in Ca get past videos and go over them in detail with their winners? Of course, unless CA state gets in line with MAOT, local girls looking at National pageant footage isn't really going to help placement at state. (NT) -- Danielle, 13:12:28 08/29/13 Thu Staring at the local level then why not ask the local EDs that have had their title holder become MCOT. They have done something right! (NT) -- Just a thought, 19:22:01 08/29/13 Thu "starting" (NT) -- typing too fast, 05:17:04 08/30/13 Fri Re: "starting" (NT) -- I didn't understand that post. I really feel the MCOT is a somewhat appointed position from what I can tell., 08:12:21 08/30/13 Fri I don't understand your post (NT) -- not appointed, 14:54:16 08/30/13 Fri MCOT are not "appointed"! Sounds like you are a poor sport. (NT) -- Practice positive thoughts., 07:50:27 08/31/13 Sat Get a grip people. MCOT exists for one reason: to generate money for the organization. Period. (NT) -- Norlene Bitch, 07:21:38 08/28/13 Wed

Subject: Sweetheart Results Night #1
Author: Tom Moletteire [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:01:47 08/30/13 Fri Swimsuit winner this evening (Friday) was Miss South Carolina, Lauren Cabaniss. The Talent winner was Miss Massachusetts, Megan Fuller. Jordan competed in Swimsuit, Gown, and Question tonight. Tomorrow she has talent. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Cute Sweetheart opening number!
Author: Couldn't tell which blonde was Jordan but all the blondes looked great doing the dance! Here's the link: http://youtu.be/-PtXJGtDnyI [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:43:27 08/30/13 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: So how was Crystal's send off party at the Baldwins?
Author: Outsider [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:38:09 08/27/13 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It was very nice. Kathi did a great job, along with all her helpers. (NT) -- Crystal was beatiful. Can't wait to see her on tv next month!, 19:34:55 08/27/13 Tue

Subject: Wishing Jordan Good Luck at the Sweetheart Pageant!!!
Author: Go California! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:55:09 08/24/13 Sat We need to cheer for all our girls! Jordan will leave soon for Hoopeston and I know she will do us proud!! Go for it Jordan! This one is yours!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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So excited for Jordan! I know she'll do great things. Can't wait! (NT) -- You got this Jordan!, 13:24:58 08/25/13 Sun If she's able to rework her choreography for a small stage and keep the wow factor, and I know she can, I think she'll do very well at Sweetheart! Go Jordan!! (NT) -- Ernie Koneck, 06:20:58 08/26/13 Mon I am going to do my best to keep our Monterey Bay/Central Coast facebook page updated with info from Hoopeston. I'll be there Friday and in communication with Jordan and her mom until then. :) Here's the link to our facebook -- https://www.facebook.com/pages/Miss-Monterey-BayCentral-Coast-Scholarship-Pageant/251093241656714 . Hopefully that works. Can't wait to cheer on our California Sweetheart!!!! -- Kati Enea, 15:32:19 08/26/13 Mon

Subject: In Atlanta for Fashion Market
Author: fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:09:33 08/08/13 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: In Atlanta for Fashion Market -- Models (Gorgeous Gals), 01:59:09 08/09/13 Fri (NT) -- fan, 06:22:16 08/09/13 Fri Re: In Atlanta for Fashion Market (NT) -- so pretty, 12:57:54 08/22/13 Thu

Subject: Good News Ideas
Author: Marge the Moderator [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:11:14 08/07/13 Wed SInce you seem to be a little challenged in coming up with ideas for good news, here are some to get you started: 1) Some of your titleholders have graduated from high school. What are their college plans? Schools? Majors? 2) Some of your titleholders have graduated from college. Career plans? Graduate school? Where? 3) Any current or former contestants getting engaged or married? Photos of attractive couples always welcome. 4) When's your pageant being held? Where? Might as well get some free publicity. If you want to let potential contestants know about orientation meetings or other events, you can do that here. 5) Any former titleholders up to anything interesting? People love hearing about it. 6) Have a fund raiser or other pageant event for your local coming up? Let people know. 7) Anything to brag about? Your titleholder or one of your local contestants was recognized for some achievement? You got a promotion at work? While some of this type of news may be on Facebook, or not, this is a great secondary place to put it. Here's why: This board has the Miss California name on it, and while the title includes the word "Unofficial" it is, like it or not, part of the Internet presence of the Miss California Organization. Everyone who posts can contribute to how the Organization is perceived by other state organizations and by the general public that passes thru - and that could include potential new contestants and their parents. So, more positive content can and will make a difference. Yes, there are issues, and yes, they can be debated here, because there is no other place people can debate them freely. But when doing so, please use your head and your heart. Try to err on the side of rational argument, not emotional ranting. Avoid name calling - it went out of fashion the minute you crossed the threshold from middle school to high school. Don't make accusations without some form of proof, and please don't say "I have proof" and then not offer it up. If you don't show the proof, even if it is only to me in an email, then I'm going to assume you're not telling the truth and take down your message. I hope you find this helpful. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Great idea Marge! Positive thoughts should be encouraged here on the Voy board! (NT) -- -, 08:39:53 08/07/13 Wed It really disappoints me that you would be on here encouraging this board to be a publicity forum. Do you really want to encourage contestants to go on here and see firsthand how hateful some of the people in this organization can be? I'm not saying that some contestants don't already visit or post on this board, but come on. Why encourage that? Due to the hate that has been spewed on here in the past, and to keep this from becoming even more of an outlet for cyberbullying as it has as of late (Marge, I'm covering your ass here, you know that, right?), I would not encourage contestants to frequent this board. (NT) -- Shield our girls above all else., 10:18:20 08/07/13 Wed No, I don't want to encourage contestants to come on here and see how hateful people can be. The purpose of the post was 1) to encourage DIRECTORS and VOLUNTEERS to share good news about their titleholders, and 2) to have GOOD NEWS replace HATEFUL POSTS on this board. As the Moderator, I can see IP addresses, so I know you're the same person that posted to Linda Dash that she has no place being on this board because she is a state staff member. Who made you God? Anyone is welcome to post, especially those who choose to sign their posts and be accountable for them. I'm not sure how your anonymous post is protecting "our girls", or anyone, except your own identity. (NT) -- Marge the Moderator, 17:24:05 08/08/13 Thu But we could still "brag" about some of our formers. i.e. my former Miss Yosemite Valley Crystal Munoz is geting married Sept 21st. She will be a beautiful bride. (NT) -- Linda Dash, 13:57:20 08/07/13 Wed Yay Crystal!!! Congrats! (NT) -- You will indeed be a beautiful bride., 14:21:51 08/07/13 Wed 1) I love Crystal and am excited for her upcoming wedding 2) I'm also excited for her upcoming competition in Miss Latina U.S. (more good news), but 3) Linda, it disappoints me that you are on this board as a MCO Staff member, signing your name, giving validation to this forum. The name of the forum is the "Unofficial" Miss California Forum, and it unfortunately makes this forum a little too official when you or someone in a similar position of power and authority comes on here and signs your name, or doesn't for that matter. I am not in that position of power or authority, nor am I in a representative capacity for this Organization. But I will stop at nothing to protect our girls. I find it very unsettling that any volunteer goes on here, and it could have been you or anyone else who I would call out signing their name and posting. (NT) -- Sorry it had to be you that got called out this time, but you need to remember that you are an MCO officer., 10:50:58 08/08/13 Thu I have been silent on this board for a few weeks now but I just HAVE to respond to this asinine post. What contributes to the hostile tone this board takes at times is the fact that it is 99% anonymous. Few people own what they say so they say whatever. I sign my name on posts I make because I decided a long time ago that if I am not willing to own what I say with my name, then I am not willing to say it. Putting my name on my own posts in no way legitimizes ANYTHING that anybody else says. Anybody who thinks it does is a fool. If you will truly "stop at nothing to protect our girls" then do not discourage people from owning their words; stop contributing to the culture of anonymity which encourages hostile sentiments about our girls to be expressed; and own your own words by signing your name to what you say. If you don't respect your own words enough to put your name to them, why should anybody else respect what you have to say? (NT) -- Tom Moletteire, 14:38:49 08/08/13 Thu <3 And Leah is getting married in October! (NT) -- Crystal and Leah have handsome fiances!, 20:19:48 08/08/13 Thu Amen (NT) -- come on people, 10:25:16 08/10/13 Sat Why is so much effort placed to clean up this board when in person so much hate still continues. It only takes one or two to ruin it for everyone and no one will stand up for what is right. Lets clean the board up and all the live action too! (NT) -- No more bullies or power hungry people allowed!, 11:44:32 08/10/13 Sat About a year or two ago, there was a posting on this message board that featured wedding photos of many former titleholders. If anyone has a photo they would like to share � I am sure we all would appreciate seeing it. (NT) -- MLB, 07:19:15 08/13/13 Tue Re: About a year or two ago, there was a posting on this message board that featured wedding photos of many former titleholders. If anyone has a photo they would like to share � I am sure we all would appreciate seeing it. (NT) -- :), 12:55:52 08/22/13 Thu

Subject: Is Crystal getting a new gown for Miss America. She will look wonderful in anything?
Author: Cant wait to watch. [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:33:49 08/21/13 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Is Crystal getting a new gown for Miss America. She will look wonderful in anything? (NT) -- beautiful, 14:04:57 08/21/13 Wed Hope they came up with something better than the gown she wore to Miss CA! (NT) -- Hope so!, 16:41:14 08/21/13 Wed Definitely! Although the lavender gown was nice and unique it wasn�t the perfect gown for Crystal and I expect her national gown will be just that � perfect! Not since Maryanne Sapio (1999) and Marlise Ricardos before her (1988) has Miss California worn her state gown on the Miss America stage. I might add that Marlise�s gown was regal stunning (for that time) and perfectly understood why she wore the same gown both at the state and national level. In most cases, the gown worn at the national level is usually an improvement over what the titleholder wore at the state level. However, there have been a few questionable gowns worn by Miss CA at Miss America. (NT) -- MLB, 07:12:09 08/22/13 Thu Re: Definitely! Although the lavender gown was nice and unique it wasn�t the perfect gown for Crystal and I expect her national gown will be just that � perfect! Not since Maryanne Sapio (1999) and Marlise Ricardos before her (1988) has Miss California worn her state gown on the Miss America stage. I might add that Marlise�s gown was regal stunning (for that time) and perfectly understood why she wore the same gown both at the state and national level. In most cases, the gown worn at the national level is usually an improvement over what the titleholder wore at the state level. However, there have been a few questionable gowns worn by Miss CA at Miss America. (NT) -- wonerful, 12:53:20 08/22/13 Thu

Subject: Feel like we relived last year with Danamarie and Hannah Huyck
Author: surprised [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:46:39 08/17/13 Sat Last year we were all so sure Danamarie was going to be crowned and the same thing happened this year with Hannah. Goes to show we are not on the same page as the judges.I wish the scores were made public like some of the pageants we see on TV. Seems to be a good training tool to see what the judges are looking for and thinking. Why dont they make the scores public after the pageant. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Although I did not see Mikaela coming I certainly did not have Hannah as my winner. Of the top 5, the second runner up was the best choice in my opinion. I think Kirsten had tons of personality and talent and exuded warmth and approachability. She seemed very genuine to me. Garden Grove was another one who was like that but she did not make the top 5 - much to my surprise. (NT) -- There is always next year, 08:00:02 08/18/13 Sun Often times we are just to close to contestants and cannot see beyond our personal judging. (NT) -- Thoughts, 08:57:03 08/18/13 Sun Original poster needs to grow up! -- Love the teens!, 18:52:36 08/19/13 Mon Believe it or not "surprised," the opinions held by the rest of us do not revolve around the opinions held by you. You say "we were all so sure..." I attended the teen pageants the last two years and was not sure of anything that you describe. You are entitled to your opinions and are certainly free to express them, but you are not entitled to speak for the rest of us. Speak for yourself and leave it at that. (NT) -- Faye Bartel Meriwether, 01:03:24 08/20/13 Tue Re: Believe it or not "surprised," the opinions held by the rest of us do not revolve around the opinions held by you. You say "we were all so sure..." I attended the teen pageants the last two years and was not sure of anything that you describe. You are entitled to your opinions and are certainly free to express them, but you are not entitled to speak for the rest of us. Speak for yourself and leave it at that. -- HappyFace, 11:21:16 08/22/13 Thu

Subject: MCOT
Author: Real deal [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:22:31 08/22/13 Thu Mikaela was the clear win in California. The judges at MAOT were looking for another little teenie bopper. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: The complete list of MAOT scholarship award winners.

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Date Posted: 08:04:10 08/22/13 Thu

Miss America's Outstanding Teen Organization (MAOTeen) announces 2013 award winners. MAOTeen has made available more than $4 million in college scholarships nationally to young women from 13 to 17 years of age. This year the 52 MAOTeen contestants were awarded the following awards and scholarships:

�Miss America's Outstanding Teen 2014 winner of $25,000 scholarship - Miss Florida's Outstanding Teen 2013 Leah Sykes
�First Runner-Up winner of a $12,000 scholarship - Miss Oklahoma's Outstanding Teen 2013 Ashten Vincent
�Second Runner-Up winner of a $8,000 scholarship - Miss Alabama's Outstanding Teen 2013 Jessica Procter
�Third Runner-Up winner of a $5,000 scholarship - Miss Missouri's Outstanding Teen 2013 Tess Mandoli
�Fourth Runner-Up winner of a $2,000 scholarship - Miss Virginia's Outstanding Teen 2013 Cassie Donegan
�Remaining Semi-Finalists winners of a $1,500 scholarship
◦Miss New Jersey's Outstanding Teen 2013 Alyssa Sullivan
◦Miss North Carolina's Outstanding Teen 2013 Emili McPhail
◦Miss North Dakota's Outstanding Teen 2013 Abby Wolfe
◦Miss Rhode Island's Outstanding Teen 2013 Heather Shen
◦Miss Wisconsin's Outstanding Teen 2013 JamieNicole Morelan
◦Miss Colorado's Outstanding Teen 2013 Caitlin Quisenberry
◦Miss Texas' Outstanding Teen 2013 Sheridan Donevant

�3 Preliminary Evening Wear Award winners $1,500 ($500 each)
◦Miss Alabama's Outstanding Teen 2013 Jessica Procter
◦Miss Rhode Island's Outstanding Teen 2013 Heather Shen
◦Miss Oklahoma's Outstanding Teen 2013 Ashten Vincent

�3 Preliminary Talent Award winners $1,500 ($500 each)
◦Miss Virginia's Outstanding Teen 2013 Cassie Donegan
◦Miss Oklahoma's Outstanding Teen 2013 Ashten Vincent
◦Miss Michigan's Outstanding Teen 2013 Julia Smith

�4 Preliminary Lifestyle and Fitness Award winners $2,000 ($500 each)
◦Miss Kansas' Outstanding Teen 2013 Kristen Boxman
◦Miss Alabama's Outstanding Teen 2013 Jessica Procter
◦Miss Michigan's Outstanding Teen 2013 Julia Smith
◦Miss Missouri's Outstanding Teen 2013 Tess Mandoli
�Non-finalist Evening Wear Award winner $500- Miss Pennsylvania's Outstanding Teen 2013 Katie Schreckengast

�Non-finalist Interview Award winners $500 each - Miss Oregon's Outstanding Teen 2013 Harley Emery and Miss Pennsylvania's Outstanding Teen 2013 Katie Schreckengast.

�Non-finalist Talent Award winner $500 - Miss Michigan's Outstanding Teen 2013 Julia Smith

�Teens In Action Award (Platform) winners $500 each - Miss Oklahoma's Outstanding Teen 2013 Ashten Vincent and Miss Maryland's Outstanding Teen 2013 Sabrina Frost

�All contestants not in the semi-finals $1,000 scholarship each

�Spirit of America Award winner $1,000 - Miss Delaware's Outstanding Teen 2013 Tanee DeCosta

�Scholastics Excellence Award (Highest GPA) winner $1,000 - Miss Rhode Island's Outstanding Teen 2013 Heather Shen

�Outstanding Achievement in Academic Life (GPA + Resume) winners $1,000 each - Miss North Carolina's Outstanding Teen 2013 Emili McPhail and Miss South Carolina's Outstanding Teen 2013 Brook Sill

�Community Service Award for Children's Miracle Network winner $1,000 - Miss Pennsylvania's Outstanding Teen 2013 Katie Schreckengast

�Photogenic Award winner $500 - Miss Puerto Rico's Outstanding Teen 2013 Daniela Ramirez

�Advertising Awards totaling $4,000 -
◦Miss Texas' Outstanding Teen Sheridan Donevant
◦Miss South Carolina's Outstanding Teen 2013 Brook Sill
◦Miss Tennessee's Outstanding Teen 2013 Chandler Booth

�Instrumental Talent Award winners $500 each - Miss North Carolina's Outstanding Teen 2013 Emili McPhail and Miss Illinois' Outstanding Teen 2013 Isabelle Hanson

�Top Vocalist Award $500
◦Miss Virginia's Outstanding Teen 2013 Cassie Donegan

�Top Dancer Award $500
◦Miss Michigan's Outstanding Teen 2013 Julia Smith

�America's Choice Award winners $1,000 each
◦Miss Colorado's Outstanding Teen 2013 Caitlin Quisenberry
◦Miss Texas' Outstanding Teen 2013 Sheridan Donevant

INDIVIDUAL SCHOLARSHIP DONORS
�Auburn University
◦Four year, renewable scholarships (up to full tuition) awarded to
◾Miss Alabama's Outstanding Teen 2013 Jessica Procter
◾Miss America's Outstanding Teen 2014 Leah Sykes
◾Miss Rhode Island's Outstanding Teen 2013 Heather Shen
◦Four year, renewable scholarships up to $15,000 to
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Contestants with a minimum 3.5 high school GPA and a minimum 29 ACT or 1290 SAT score (excluding the writing score)

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Four year, renewable scholarships up to $5,000 to

◾Contestants with a minimum 3.5 high school GPA and a minimum 26 ACT or 1170 SAT score (excluding the writing score)

�Hollins University
◦Four year, renewable full tuition scholarship awarded to
◾Miss Rhode Island's Outstanding Teen 2013 Heather Shen
◾Miss America's Outstanding Teen 2014 Leah Sykes
◦Four year, renewable half tuition scholarship to
◾Contestants with a minimum 3.25 high school GPA and a minimum 24 ACT composite score or 1100 SAT total score (critical reading and math only)
◦$25,000 renewable tuition scholarship and a chance to compete for an increased scholarship at the Batten Scholarship competition to
◾Contestants with a minimum 3.75 high school GPA and a minimum 28 ACT composite score or 1250 SAT total score (critical reading and math only)

�Troy University
◦Millennium Scholar's Plus Award - full out-of-state tuition, mandatory fees, room and board valued at $100,000

Miss Rhode Island's Outstanding Teen 2013 Heather Shen

◦Millennium Scholar's Award - full tuition and out-of-state fees, room and board valued at $96,000
◾Miss Ohio's Outstanding Teen 2013 Olivia Thoroughman

◦Millennium Scholar's Award - full tuition, room and board valued at $74,000
◾Miss Alabama's Outstanding Teen 2013 Jessica Procter

◦Chancellor's award - full tuition and out-of-state fees valued at $70,000 each
◾Miss Montana's Outstanding Teen 2013 Tessa Shelton
◾Miss North Carolina's Outstanding Teen 2013 Emili McPhail

◦Excellence in Leadership Scholarship and Trojan Opportunity Scholarships valued at 28,000 each ($7,000 per year):
◾Miss America's Outstanding Teen 2014 Leah Sykes
◾Miss Kansas' Outstanding Teen 2013 Kristen Boxman

�Nova Southeastern University
◦ADMITTANCE to Razor's Edge Leadership Scholarship Program & a $10,000 annual scholarship for a total of $40,000
◾Miss West Virginia's Outstanding Teen 2013 Emily Lopez

�University of New Haven
◦Four-year renewable tuition scholarship, $5,000 (total of $20,000 over 4 years) awarded to
◾Miss America's Outstanding Teen 2014 Leah Sykes

�University of San Diego
◦One (1) contestant (TBD) will receive an annual $25,000 Alcal� Scholarship for four years, totaling $100,000.

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