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Date Posted: 17:36:58 07/30/03 Wed
Author: Love that Radio!
Subject: Just an Observation

Maybe its just me, but does anyone ever think that those who yell the loudest and longest about how radio is now safe, predictable and nonthreatening and how radio is totally beholden to corporate interests have, in reality, become the very things they most despise?

Think about it, this board has BECOME radio ... think of all the parallels. I certainly can think of many. Compare what Mike Missanelli wrote about his problems at WIP in a recent Daily News op ed peice with the way stuff is deleted here to protect certain "interests".

And just like the contemptutous attitude in the radio biz, the webmaster will tell us to "tune" elsewhere if we don't like it. Not the way to maintain a loyal customer base, is it? But who are the customers here? The posters or the corporate figures being coddled and protected from harsh comment?

Maybe this has something to do with the fact that readership has dropped off here, much in the same way listenership has dropped off in the radio biz.

Predictable, boring, and nonthreatening. Sound familiar, anyone?

Man, do the ironies abound!

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[> As a regular contributor here, I strongly disagree. I have taken on most all “sacred cows” in the market on this board. I was not deleted, not once. But I could have been and I understand that. It’s Surf’s time and money that created and continue to maintain this site. It’s his ass that will be sued. We’ll just trot over to Radio–Info when he shuts down after selling his computer to help pay the legal bills. Want absolute freedom? Get your own site! -- Steve Bryant, 19:13:45 07/30/03 Wed


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[> [> I have to disagree with you, Mr. Bryant.... -- Pepe, 20:41:10 07/30/03 Wed

... mainly because you have been one of the "sacred cows" that's often been protected from harsh comments about your song parodies and views on what's funny. As for "his ass being sued," that's nearly the same lame reasoning Infinity used on Mike Missanelli when he made on air comments about Jeffrey Lurie and Joe Banner. No one is going to sue anyone for making jokes or rude comments about public figures . Do you honestly think current or former radio people really care if a person on this webboard makes a reference about them in some imaginary Radio Hell? Let's be serious here, for people to be shaking in their boots like this is nonsense. People in power are always trying to intimidate little guys into snapping to a particular line. Nowadays, it seems like it's designed to silence critics and free speech.


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[> [> [> What a brave poster you are, Pepe! You're just the kind of BB “denizen” Surf is talking about. Got any guts? Use your real name. The only posts Surf ever removed about me were libelous, malicious lies. Again, that’s his right. Got the balls to use your real name? I didn't think so. -- Steve Bryant, 21:15:50 07/30/03 Wed


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[> What "interest" are you talking about? You, and people like you, don't have a clue. You all want to post anything without saying who you are and leave the lawsuits to drop in my lap. Provide your VALID identity and the floor is yours. -- Surf, 19:39:46 07/30/03 Wed


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[> [> It's very strange that person who doesn't ever use their own real name shouldn't demand it of others. You need to learn the lette rof the law. You can call a public figure most anything and get away with it. Talk radio does it all day. Why do you think what's on a BBS would be any different. Some people cry "I'll sue" like some people give the finger. It's a meaningless and empty gesture. -- Pepe, 23:32:28 07/30/03 Wed


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[> [> [> First SURF is a handle, not an anon identity. Second anybody CAN sue for anything, it;s the GETTING SUED part that is a waste of my time. Third I DON'T demand to know who you are, just don't assume complete ability to use this forum as you want without liability. -- Surf, 01:40:54 07/31/03 Thu


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[> [> It's very strange that one who never uses their own real name should demand it from others. You need to learn the letter of the law. You can call a public figure most anything and get away with it. Talk radio does it all day. Why do you think what's on a BBS would be any different. Some people cry "I'll sue" like some people give the finger. It's a meaningless and empty gesture. Just like Dick Sprague's suit against Eskin. -- Pepe, 23:36:50 07/30/03 Wed


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[> [> C'mon Surf, Pepe's right. -- Frank Burns (since you like real names), 23:49:55 07/30/03 Wed

No attorney will ever convince a judge or a jury that a person suffered damages to their career or public standing based on some random comments on a webboard that how many people read? There would have to be an established pattern of the most heinous accusations to even rise to the level of defamation that's being alluded to in that frivolous suit against Howard Eskin. It's attorney grandstanding at its worst. The opinion from Pseudonym Uck! about local radio biz people were not libelous in the least. If you think so you need to seek better legal advice.


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[> [> [> I need to get better legal advice? Who is going to pay for that and WHY should I get a lawyer just so people like YOU can post what you want? Nuff said. -- Surf, 01:38:12 07/31/03 Thu


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[> [> [> One problem with the legal system is that, although no lawyer might actually win a case like that, there are too many who are more than happy to take their clients money to try, forcing the poor schmuk on the other side to hire his own lawyer, who makes a lot of money out of it too. If you are sued, you lose, whether there is a case or not. Both lawyers win. Were I in Surf's position, and my hobby got me into legal trouble, I would get another hobby. Not worth it. -- Sam (Bucks County), 07:28:20 07/31/03 Thu


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[> To anyone who doesn't like how Surf chooses to run his own website, I have two websites for you to check out: www.geocities.com and www.voy.com. It's his website. Don't like it? Go make one that's better than his. Hell, maybe I'll check it out too. -- "Vince From Villanova" (a.k.a. Vince Young, but you already knew that), 01:31:48 07/31/03 Thu


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[> Just an observation. The poster and Pepe are the same person and the IP matches abuse from the past. This does contain some general useful information for the readers as a whole but the discusion is no longer worth debating and closed -- Surf, 01:47:39 07/31/03 Thu


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