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Date Posted: Wed April 20, 2005 01:08:41
Author: JoltinJoe
Subject: I believe that you believe that due to the materialsitic influence of our society. But I'm not going to debate the point here. I'll only repeat that we in the West ned to hear the Church's voice, not demand that the Church hear our voices.
In reply to: Ram'69 's message, "There is a major drift from the Church in most of the Western nations, including the United States. The fact that we're picking up converts in the third world (and priests that we can bring over here) is scant consolation for the dwindling church-going population and virtual non-existence of religious vocations in Europe and America. This isn't due just to Western decadence and materialism, but also to the fact that many reasoning people think that the Church's positions on things like priestly celibacy, the all-male priesthood, and artifical contraception are archaic." on Tue April 19, 2005 22:54:10


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