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- Potential '06-07 starting lineup. -- '02 Grad, Tue April 19, 2005 10:26:14 
Not to look ahead, but when you think about our potential lineup in two years, its pretty scary for opposing teams. A possible starting lineup of upperclassmen Dunston, Bethel/Evertson, Stout, KA, and Quezada is downright nasty. Great news on Quezada. Sorry if this is a redundant post, just continued excitement regarding our future.
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- And the winner is... -- Mr. Hill, Fri April 22, 2005 00:45:08 
In the "biggest loser to hit Fordham since me" category, the award goes to the poster that goes by the name of slambacker. Congratulations!
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- The "New" Yankee Stadium -- Rambacker, Sat April 16, 2005 14:47:31 
Check out today's New York Daily News front cover for a rendering of the "new" Yankee Stadium and accompanying article. It will be two separate structures: a recreation of the original stadium design from 1923 combined with a state-of-the-art facility with 50-60 luxury boxes, a recreated signature frieze(the lattice work across the stadium roof featured in the original stadium) and open concourses with retail stores, restaurants, etc. According to the article, the stadium deal is "all but signed, sealed and to be delivered by Opening Day, 2009." New parkland along the riverfront and new and expanded parking will be included, and possibly a new Metro North station. The stadium will seat 50,800 fans and will have 10,000 more field level seats than the present Yankee Stadium, with all seats having improved sight lines. Best of all, according to the article, "there is no significant opposition to the project". Total cost of the project: $1.1 Billion($800 Million fom the Yankees and $300 Million from the city and state).
This is great news for the Bronx and for Fordham. It will greatly improve this area of the South Bronx, which can only help Fordham. Now, with a spectacular new stadium for the Yankees right down the road, can Fordham afford to compete in second class athletic facilities? It certainly would make us look even more deficient by comparison if we did.
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- I'd like to see the fence distances set back to what they were in the old Yankee Stadium. That way the players would have to perform the way the old timers did. There would not be any one handed home runs even if they used steroids or a juiced ball. Still, the Bronx could use a makover. If any team can pay for a new stadium, it's the Yankees. (NT) -- The Fish, Sat April 16, 2005 16:32:02
- I can see why they'd want to tear the old place down after the most spectacular choke in team sports history last October. (NT) -- BostonRAM, Sat April 16, 2005 21:40:06
- 1978: the greatest choke job ever. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, Sat April 16, 2005 21:56:16
- No it was 1964. Bunning & Short, Bunning & Short! (NT) -- Richie Allen, Sun April 17, 2005 11:14:42
- Hey Joltin' Joe, if you recall the Red Sox won 13 of 15 to end the season in '78 to force the play-off in what indeed was the best penant race ever. That situation doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as the spectacular collapse of the Bombers last fall. As for this year, J2, my prediction is that Torre is out of his pinstripes by July 4th. Too bad, because he is a class act. Beyond that its quite a collection of overpaid, underachieving, selfish, pampered, pill popping, multi-millionaires you've got over there on 161st Street. (NT) -- BostonRam, Sun April 17, 2005 22:39:54
- Prior to that, the Sox painfully and slowly choked away a 14-game lead over the course of several weeks -- a choke so bad that even winning 13 of their last 15 couldn't save them. Now that's a choke job. A four-game swoon hardly compares. Anyway, you talk big after 12 games. Typical Sox fan. Maybe you might want to try to win a division title this year, because real winners don't count wild-card years as "championship seasons." (NT) -- JoltinJoe, Mon April 18, 2005 05:45:05
- You know the Empire has fallen when you start counting divisional titles as accomplishments. Furthermore, your logic belies your Jesuit training. Real winners, Joe, come up big when its all on the line - something the Yankees used to be good at. Anyway, J2, just take your lumps and call us the Champs. (NT) -- BostonRAM, Mon April 18, 2005 11:30:24
- Now, BostonRam, I didn't say I count the divisional title as a "championship season." I only said that real winners don't call it a "championship season" unless they win the division. "Winning it all" means winning the division, the league pennant, and then the World Series. The Sox didn't "win it all" last year. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, Mon April 18, 2005 12:00:19
- Once again, JJ, interesting logic. I think the the term "championship season" rightfully belongs to the team that indeed won said championship. We need not bicker that the Red Sox are in fact the 2004 World Series Champs now. Are you sure you didn't go to Hofstra? (NT) -- BostonRam, Mon April 18, 2005 12:40:37
- Lame, BostonRam. Look, if my team won the World Series as a wild card, I'd be happy. But I wouldn't go taunting fans of the team that performed better over a 162-game season. If you want to call it a "championship season," go ahead. You won the World Series. That makes you "World Series Champions." But you didn't win it all. Yankee fans have higher expectations, though. We like to win it all. That's what we mean by a "championship season" -- a champion in every conceivable way. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, Mon April 18, 2005 13:05:23
- BTW, BR, when your team does "win it all" and achieves a "championship season" by being a "champion in every conceivable way," there is such an immense satisfaction in the accomplishment, that you don't feel the need to emphasize that your championship came at someone else's expense. I know you'll have to trust me on this one. ;) (NT) -- JoltinJoe, Mon April 18, 2005 13:31:42
- joltin joe.. you can't be serious. How many 1918 chants and pictures of babe ruth were heard and seen at the home of the yankees over the course of the last few decades. Humulity in victory has never been something yankee fans have been known for. Just bite the pillow and take the pain like a man and stop crying when someone talks about the bombers collapse last year. I thought NYers were tougher than that! By the way, trying to discount the Red Sox championship because they were a wild card is stretching it big time. They beat the Yanks straight up in the playoffs... it doesn't get any cleaner than that. (NT) -- bulldog, Mon April 18, 2005 13:57:17
- I guess we should take the rings away from Villanova because they didn't win the big east the year they beat Georgetown in the title game. (NT) -- bulldog, Mon April 18, 2005 14:12:36
- It sounds to me that you think the St. Louis Cardinals should have been MLB champs last year given that they won the most games in the regular season. And also, shouldn't Ben Roethlisberger, and not Tom Brady, hosted SNL on Saturday, because after all, the Steelers went 15-1 in the regular season, and the Patriots went 14-2. As a Yankees fan, you should know that its all about championships. (NT) -- BostonRam, Mon April 18, 2005 17:15:56
- Gee, if playoff chokes and failures were reason to tear down a stadium, Fenway and Wrigley would be long gone. (NT) -- TrentonRam, Mon April 18, 2005 11:22:07
- The bullpens will also be moved back to their original place in the outfield. (NT) -- Rambacker, Sun April 17, 2005 01:39:00
- I actually hate the idea. There is no reason to replace the most hallowed place in all of sports. Fenway is still functioning and so is Wrigley. (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Mon April 18, 2005 08:41:36
- There can be no debate about it--and take it from a 40+ year Yankee fan--last year's swoon was THE biggest choke in the history of professional sports PERIOD (NT) -- Jerome, Mon April 18, 2005 16:57:27
- Quezada Still Looking -- Rambacker, Thu April 21, 2005 16:01:51 
According to a story on scout.com, Manny Quezada hasn't made up his mind yet on his transfer school of choice. Fordham apparently is one of several A-10, Conf. USA and Western Athletic Conference schools he is considering.
Stay tuned on this one....
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- Jerry Wainwright -- Kevin Pigott, Thu April 21, 2005 19:13:31 
The Chicago Tribune reports that Richmond's Jerry Wainwright is a candidate for DePaul.
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- Dunston named Metropolitan Basketball Writers Rookie of the Year -- ramMan, Wed April 20, 2005 18:07:29 
Bryant Dunston was named Division I Rookie of the Year by the National Invitation Tournament and the Metropolitan Basketball Writers Association.
Dunston becomes the first Fordham player to earn Metropolitan Basketball Writers Rookie of the Year honors.
Click here for the press release.
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- Baseball Update -- JA66, Wed April 20, 2005 20:11:55 
The Rams lost to St. Francis on Tuesday 11-4 due to 9 unearned runs....But recover nicely to take a double header from Columbia with an explosive 26 run production over the two games. We are now 23-14 overall and still 8-4 in the A10 with a hold on second place behind RI. Bourgeois hits two homers to tie for third all time in Fordham history with some 16 games left to play before the playoffs.... CONGRATULATIONS TO DUNSTON FOR BEING NIT PLAYER OF THE YEAR.....GOOOOOO RAMS!
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- There has been some talk here about Manny Q tranferring to FU from Rutgers. How true is this? Is there anything of substance out there that shows that this is true? I certainly hope it is. -- JCMB, Wed April 20, 2005 08:30:20 
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- Manny Q. where are you? -- Transfer Agent, Wed April 20, 2005 20:24:04 
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- You guys seem to like talking about Tom DeCataldo enough, you might be interested to know, maybe you remember in the scrimmage last season, I thnk against GL All-Stars or something he hit a layup, foul shot, three point shot and half court shot to win US Airways tickets, thought that might be interesting for some of you and maybe you remembered -- sam, Sat April 16, 2005 00:44:19 
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- Sam, DeCataldo is a good enough guy. He got caught up in what he thought was a humerous article which was too offensive. He learned a lesson young, when it is best to make mistakes. By the way, do you know where he went on United Airlines? (NT) -- The Fish, Sat April 16, 2005 08:15:28
- I appreciate the recognition, but I didn't use the tickets, too many restrictions and I really had no reason to travel, but thank you for remembering, to the Fordham alum, I really was naive and I'm sorry for offending anyone I may have offended, I love the support Fordham hoops gets and I hope my stupid April Fools artilce shed light on how I feel about the matter, I truly am sorry and I did learn a lesson thanks to this board, you guys were harsh, but I deserved it, i made college kids laugh and most people cringe, it was a regrettable article (NT) -- T. DeCataldo, Sun April 17, 2005 03:25:50
- This is exciting...albeit young, next season (and the season after) will feature 1st class A-10 talent that will rival any team on any given night. But the pressure is just beginning. This is DW's team. It will take good coaching (X's & O's) to get those W's. If someone has a projected depth chart, please post it. -- 20 W, Tue April 19, 2005 19:01:05 
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- WH Comments on Fordham -- Rambacker, Fri April 15, 2005 19:48:04 
WH, on the A-10 Message Board, has a post that assesses all A-10 teams on their performance this past season and how they are positioned for the future. Here are his comments on Fordham:
"Fordham. The Rams got surprisingly good—if occasionally erratic—play from a very young backcourt and are well positioned to make a bid to break into the top tier of the A-10. Frosh Marcus Stout is turning into a go-to scorer, while frosh Kevin Anderson handled the point with maturity beyond his years. Sharply improved play by junior Jermaine Anderson was also a major bonanza. All three players are above-average defenders. If Kevin Anderson learns to shoot better, the Rams will be real tough to beat. It would help if they could get more consistent play at small forward, too. Sebastian Greene is talented, but very gun-shy. Fordham already has its big guy, too. This is a team to watch. All the classic ingredients of a premier A-10 team are already on the roster. The big drawback is youth."
I don't agree with his assessment totally, as I think we are still missing depth up front, need more athleticism and a player like Bethel that can score from inside and outside. Another PG is also a big need.
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- Still think that Fordham should sprinkle some even newer talent among these. Otherwise, when these freshmen all graduate, Fordham will be back to square one. (NT) -- The Fish, Sat April 16, 2005 08:10:58
- Some more brief thoughts ... -- WH, Sun April 17, 2005 23:46:39
- Bethel and Sebastion Greene will be looked to for upgrading our production at the wing, and Bethel will also get his share of rebounds. On Stout, if you watch him carefully, he does more than catch and shoot. He has a jump-stop move with a 6-10 footer that is pretty deadly and can dribble penetrate pretty well but needs to do it more. I might be wrong, but I don't think Dunston will go pro until he graduates unless his outside shooting improves dramatically. (NT) -- Rambacker, Mon April 18, 2005 10:09:02
- WH - Looks like we just got our other PG in Manny Quezada. (NT) -- Rambacker, Mon April 18, 2005 18:48:30
- I'll have to agree with RB on this one. BD will finish his four years at Rose Hill, improved outside shooting or no, growin' stronger and smarter, along the way. Dunston is a solid middle class kid from Lefrak City, Queens. His family has middle class values. His family values education, and, while not financially independent, are, like most of us, in a financially comfortable and stable situation. He's not a ghetto kid, with a basketbal jones, livin' in the projects, totally entranced by the allure of the NBA. After graduation, it just might be an MBA, over the NBA. BD is intelligent and balanced, and that's no surprise, 'cause Coach Whitt wants 'em that way. (NT) -- Bronx Boy, Mon April 18, 2005 18:55:27
- Today I got a mailing from Fordham's Annual Fund. The enclosed folder has a picture of Fr. McShane on the first page, with the caption: "Joseph M. McShane, S.J. , president of Fordham University, boldly asserts that our dreams are great and worthy, and that small dreams are not worthy of Fordham." The next three pages recount many recent accomplishments (the only one with any relationship to athletics is the renovation of Murphy Field). On the fourth page, a bar graph shows us comparing poorly to Notre Dame, Columbia, Georgetown, and Boston College in alumni giving, and exhorts alums to "Demonstrate your Fordham Pride." Doesn't anyone in power at Rose Hill understand that alums want to take pride not only in the University's contributions in academics and community service, but also in its athletic accomplishments? ND, GT and BC all see the important role of athletics in this regard, and now even Columbia is beginning to take sports seriously. More.... -- Ram'69, Thu April 14, 2005 22:43:30 
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- ....And yet what do we do at Fordham? We have our basketball team play in a gym beneath the standards of many high schools, the oldest one in use in Division 1. We wink at atrocious performance in the Athletic Department that would never be tolerated in any academic department. We schedule upcoming football games against teams like Marist College and Albany State, and ignore opportunities to upgrade our schedule, facilities, and league affiliation. It would appear that "small dreams" are seen as "worthy" ones when it comes to athletics. It is time for Fordham to rethink its whole approach to athletics, provide new resources, and formulate strategies that will enable the Athletic Department to be a full partner in the University's drive to become a true national university. (NT) -- Ram'69, Thu April 14, 2005 22:57:38
- Very well said, I could not agree more. If you have a chance you should send this text to Father McShane via email. (NT) -- CKRAM99, Fri April 15, 2005 08:08:24
- Right on target, Ram '69. I got that same letter in yesterday's mail along with a solicitation from the Maroon Club, signed by coaches Whittenburg, Foley, Dewey, and Orchard. I wonder if, taken together, the message of these two letters is that athletics are not a valued part of "the new Fordham," and those of us who do value athletics will have to pick up the full tab. I'd hate to think the administration is that short-sighted, but who knows? (NT) -- Tin Cup, Fri April 15, 2005 09:33:54
- Ram '69, I definitely agree with your take. The only problem is that we really don't have any great athletic achievements to write about. Something could have been written about DW and the basketball program, but to a casual Fordham alum/parent/friend, they are going to see one thing, a losing record. We all know progress is being made, but until we start competing for the A-10 title, it's going to be tough to impress the casual fan. (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Fri April 15, 2005 09:34:53
- Air Hej, you're right. Other than Whit, there isn't that much to talk about....though it would appear that some of the spring sports are on a roll. It's a chicken/egg situation: Some question the logic of investing in a losing program, while others would argue that--without a serious commitment--we'll never turn things around. In the final analysis, it's all about leadership, and the lack thereof, in the Athletic Department. While I hate to see Frank scape-goated endlessly, change has to start there. After so many years (decades actually) of lethargy and underachievement, we need a total regime-change in the Athletic Department. (NT) -- JCC, Fri April 15, 2005 11:04:04
- Fordham is an academic institution that places a new emphasis on rising to the top tier. Ivy schools and Patriot schools, for example, are great academic institutions that have fine athletic teams. Yes, Fordham can improve athletically (do not fail to note Football, Sailing, Softball & Baseball successes); however, this is a secondary priority. The literature is on target in contrasting our poor (13%) rate with HC, Georgetown, BC, et. al. Sports alone will not do the job, but the belief that a Fordham education is worh it will. Fr. McShane is correct!! (NT) -- ramvet, Fri April 15, 2005 11:40:08
- What's this guy smoking? You obviously have no clue. You must be Frank or at least related to him. (NT) -- FUbar, Fri April 15, 2005 11:56:38
- Few Ivy League or PL schools have successful sports programs, especially among the high profile sports. With the excpetion of Princeton and Penn, most Ivy League basketball programs are awful. The same can be said of PL hoops w/ the exception of HC and Bucknell. PL schools are not good models for us b/c they are, generally, small liberal arts colleges. the schools that we should use as models are, to varying degrees: G'town, BC, Nova, Vandy, Wake, Tulane, & Rice. (NT) -- bfg, Fri April 15, 2005 12:30:28
- Stanford is a good model too. (NT) -- Rambacker, Fri April 15, 2005 16:27:32
- Obviously you do not follow lacrosse, soccer, wrestling, ice hockey or anything other than basketball. (NT) -- Frozen 4, Fri April 15, 2005 16:47:11
- I follow a bunch of sports but listing wrestling, a sport that few schools compete in, and hockey, which is limited to a relatively few northern schools (some of them non-DI) doesn't make sense. Hoops is and will continue to be our flagship sport followed by football. When it comes to the 2 premier sports, the Ivies and PL are not our role models. (NT) -- bfg, Fri April 15, 2005 22:15:58
- But it underscores an argument that the Ivies do not care about sports that is bunk. They spend a lot of money on sports, just not some of the ones that are overtly popular such as hoops, but they compete and win in many sports at the highest level. (NT) -- 4, Fri April 15, 2005 22:40:55
- Where did I say that they did/did not spend money on sports? I said they're not the right models for us and I think your point backs up my thesis. We're not going to have a great wrestling team or hocket team (sorry, '85) anytime soon. Our premier sport is hoops and we want to have good teams in other sports like football, baseball, and soccer (not to mention women's teams). Thus, I look to other schools, not the Ivies. (NT) -- bfg, Sat April 16, 2005 12:12:44
- The thread is related to $$, didn't say that you made that reference. However, let's not sell the Ivies short. They excel on a national level in many sports, maybe not the sexy ones, but they do excel. Its a problem for us across the board. We basically don't win in anything with the exception of softball. Hockey is a money loser for most schools which is why the lower tier D-I teams ( Villanova, Iona, Fairfield ) all scrapped their programs. Fordham needs to stop comparing and trying to draw parallels to other schools. Fordham has its own unique identity. There is no excuse for such abject failure in sports. The example of Jim lewis is perfect. There is NO reason he still should have a job, none. (NT) -- 4, Sat April 16, 2005 13:30:28
- The reason Jim Lewis still has a job is the same reason that Fordham has been so bad in so many sports for so long: namely Frank McLaughlin. The Rip Van Winkle of Rose Hill, Frank has been asleep now for four decades. The real question then is why does Frank still have a job? Did The Board of Trustees, Fr. O'Hare, and now Fr. McShane all catch Frank's "sleeping sickness?" (NT) -- BS'65, Sat April 16, 2005 15:40:37
- Has it occurred to you that Frank may be exactly what Fordham trustees and administrators want? He's a good-natured guy who gets along well with a number of the old grads (albeit not too many on this board) and who never presses the higher-ups for much in the way of budgets and facilities. Frank's job is an exercise in minimalism--maintaining just enough of an athletic program so that alums don't get totally ticked off, walk away in anger, and forever end their financial contributions to the university. Check out the lengthy thread below under "Fordham Scoreboard Week 33." (NT) -- JT'66, Sat April 16, 2005 16:46:15
- Of course it has occurred to us. However, if we had a BOT with a spine, they would demand Frank's ouster. They have no spine. Denzel used to be on the BOT and Denzel has no spine. (NT) -- Joe Arachnid, Sat April 16, 2005 17:29:45
- JT, the Board of Trustees may not want to spend money on new facilites (new basketball arena, new or expanded football stadium etc.); you may be right on that. However, our athletic budgets are already among the highest in the A-10 (there were posts on this, some months back). Since we are already spending respectable amounts of money on athletics--with little to show for it--it would seem that the Trustees should be demanding "more bang for the buck" from Frank. The Athletic Department has virtually become a fiefdom for him. It seems that he can do (or not do) whatever he likes-- with no accountabilty and no oversight. JA, I don't know any of the Trustees personally, so I won't comment on them (and I don't think it advances our cause to say things like "they have no spine." But I would agree that they should start paying some more attention to the Athletic Department. Looking into the possibilities of getting a new A.D. would be a good place to start. (NT) -- BLT, Sat April 16, 2005 18:11:49
- One of Fordham's biggest problems as it pertains to sports is that our large student body is spread out over three campuses in three counties, which makes it much harder to muster the kind of critical mass at sporting events that those larger schools can. And because we have a PL-level AD and facilities, with an ambiguous mandate as it pertains to the role of Athletics in the University's identity, we are unable to meet the quite sizeable marketing challenge that such dispersal presents. This means that for sports purposes Fordham is effectively no bigger than it's RH campus, and roughly on par with those smallish liberal arts colleges. (NT) -- DamnRam, Fri April 15, 2005 17:39:56
- It amazes me that more alumns don't send in at least $5 to FU in order to get that rate up given that participation rate is one of the influences on ratings. (NT) -- PA Ram, Fri April 15, 2005 12:11:10
- People are very often anti-giving when it comes to making a donation to their alma mater. Not exactly sure why, but I've frequently heard from FU alums and alums of other schools, "Why should I give, they already got enough of my money!?" (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Fri April 15, 2005 12:38:15
- I'm not sure how strongly the school solicits donations from those that have not previously donated (for instance, I got these communications but I'm not sure that other alumni who have not donated got it). (NT) -- CKRAM98, Fri April 15, 2005 12:39:07
- Whenever I received solicitations (whether from Fordham or other institutions) that included a paragraph or sentence that giving a minimal sum like $5-$10 boosts the school's rating in whatever survey, I've felt that they were, in some small way, trying to game the system. I know that's not what they're trying to do, but it in my mind it definitely distracts from the purpose of giving: to financially support an institution important to the donor. "This last is the greatest treason, to do the right thing for the wrong reason". I know, it's stretching big time, but I've always liked that line. (NT) -- Ram '91, Fri April 15, 2005 14:08:03
- Virtually all of us want Fordham to stress academics over athletics. But what the administration--and some posters here--seem to overlook is that the two can be mutually supporting. Obviously, a good basketball team won't turn an inferior commuter school (like St. John's) into an academic powerhouse. But athletics have certainly helped to raise the national profile (and expand the applicant pools) of schools like Duke, BC, ND, and Georgetown. The years when these institutions were on the rise athletically were the same years when they were coming into their own academically. Fordham has a lot of things going for it--outstanding academics, Jesuit traditions, a renowned faculty, three beautiful campuses in the "capital of the world," a growing population of resident students etc. The one piece missing is the athletic one. Is it a coincidence that the era when Fordham's was THE preeminent Catholic university was the same era when our athletics brought us national attention? (NT) -- Ram'69, Fri April 15, 2005 15:03:41
- For the record, I don't disagree, but if athletics is to take on an elevated role, it must not trump academic and other extracurricular needs. Pursuing the overused term "excellence" in all that we do resonates with all of us; but to do this with the inevitable competition for limited resources makes for more controversial, and realistic, conversation. We all want to succeed across the board, but where should we dedicate precious resources? At the very least, we should expect the most out of current personnel and make the most of our available resources. And, yes, to do more than just dream. (NT) -- Mojofunk'75, Fri April 15, 2005 15:18:16
- Ram'69: You're right about how athletics can complement and support academic improvement. Just one more point: It's not just a coincidence that the schools with top athletics (like several cited in the Annual Fund letter) often get better financial support from their alumni. Long after people have graduated from a school, following that school's sports programs builds interest and a sense of involvement. Maybe that's not necessary at the Ivies, but we're not at that level yet. In my view, the poor alumni giving at Fordham can be linked to three factors: (1) Our tradition of educating upward-bound city folks rather than well-heeled suburbanites; (2) The fact that Fordham was predominantly a commuter school for many years; and (3) Administrative actions that deemphasized athletic programs and demoralized alums who were interested in them. More attention to athletics would not only attract potential students, but potential donors as well. (NT) -- JCC, Fri April 15, 2005 18:15:47
- If the posters on this board are interested in seeing something happen to improve our sport facilities they should STOP contributing until the Administration reorganizies the management of the Athletic Department . While we have an AD who is incompetent and who reports to someone even more incompetent we hhave no prayer of ever seeing anything good happen. I have witheld my contributions for the past FIVE years and accumulated them. I will release the money when I feel it will be well spent and yield the anticipated results. None should PAY for such a dysmal record. I will become a " RENEWED RAM" when this happens. (NT) -- Former Ram, Fri April 15, 2005 18:23:56
- All this talk is just a waste of time. FU is still a one-man show, and the President (not donors or even trustees) calls the shots. McShane is going to do exactly what McShane wants to do. He's an elitist, and when he was Dean of FC, he seemed a lot more interested in kids who were up for Fulbright grants than the rest of us peons. He has less interest in sports than O'Hare did. So you might as well all quit blathering on about new leadership, expanded facilities etc. It aint gonna happen! (NT) -- FC'97, Fri April 15, 2005 21:21:32
- I disagree. I always found Father McShane friendly and approachable. I have no idea what interest (if any) he has in sports. He strikes me as someone who would be open to change if the arguments in favor of it are strong and convincing. (NT) -- Ram'98, Fri April 15, 2005 22:10:48
- That is actually not true. The Board of Trustees has much control at Fordham - don't kid yourself. It's a dual power track - that's how decisions are made. (NT) -- Rambacker, Sat April 16, 2005 14:15:44
- Here's a pertinent quote: "Imagination is more important than knowledge. The important thing is to not stop questioning." Albert Einstein. Don't give up the dream - it can happen if we want to make it happen badly enough. (NT) -- Rambacker, Sat April 16, 2005 15:05:34
- The Board has been useless as to athletics. How the hell can these self serving bums have thier quarterly meetings and completely overlook the wretched performance by Frank over a 20 year period? The Board of Trustees should be sued for breach of their fiduciary duties. (NT) -- Frank's Brain, Sat April 16, 2005 17:31:51
- I share your frustration, and think Frank should be retired ASAP. But, as I replied to another poster above, I don't think it helps our cause when we hurl personal insults at the Board of Trustees. They have a lot of other things to deal with, and (as a few people here have posted) some Trustees have confided that they too are frustrated with Frank. In any case, our focus shouldn't be on past mistakes, but rather on how we can improve our future prospects. We should be thinking now of how Frank could be eased out gracefully (perhaps to a position in development, alumni relations, or fund-raising) so that there could be a smooth transition without a lot of recrimination and unpleasantness. (NT) -- BLT, Sat April 16, 2005 23:59:14
- That's baloney. Hurling insults? How about squandering millions of tuition and donation dollars over a 19 year period? They should be sued as well as insulted. We are not talking about gray areas ( no pun indtended ) or differences of opinion. Its black letter, bottom line abject, emprical data that speaks to this waste. Its not as if the athletics budget is a small ticket item. Its the largest budget in the school!!! (NT) -- Frank's Brain, Sun April 17, 2005 13:29:57
- If calling people "self-serving bums" isn't hurling insults, I don't know what is. Even if you are totally correct in your assessment that the trustees are inept and should be sued, saying that in a public forum will only serve to lock them into a defensive posture and guarantee that Frank will stay on even longer. Let's not bite off our nose to spite our face. (NT) -- BLT, Sun April 17, 2005 17:08:12
- BLT. The professional, rational and educated way of doing things has not worked for 2 decades! Over the year's rational, sane, concise, beautifully drafted letters have been penned to the Board and to Fr. O'Hare. The approach we all favor has not worked for 20 years. It is my opinion that a more gutteral, less professional and shock value approach is needed. You make perfect sense but that approach has not worked for 20 years! . We need to come up with a different strategy. FRANK MUST GO tee shirts? We need toget the ear of one BOT member to lobby this cause, one who is not spineless and who truly cares about Fordham and not lining his or her own resume. (NT) -- Frank's Brain, Sun April 17, 2005 18:59:50
- Yes, but does calling the Trustees things like "spineless" and "self-serving bums" help us to (as you put it) "get the ear of that one BOT member to lobby this cause?" And why do you think that ONE Trustee will be able to singlehandedly push through the needed changes? Like all of us, the Trustees have egos, and--since many are wealthy, important individuals--they generally don't take well to being attacked. Rather than buckle under to such pressure, their tendency would be to "circle the wagons," and not give in. While I would agree with you that a lot of people in authority at Fordham have dropped the ball over a long period of time, I think many of US have as well. The last time I was at M.J. Armstrong's, I spoke with several people who were vehemently complaining about Frank. When I asked them if they had written Fr. McShane or anyone on the BOT, all of them said they had NOT. (NT) -- JCC, Sun April 17, 2005 20:37:01
- FB, it might be useful for students to organize, have rallies, wear t-shirts calling for change etc., and in fact some students have come on this board looking for advice on how to get their message out. But if alums like most of us did that sort of thing, it would reduce whatever credibility we have. JCC is right. We have a new administration that is feeling its way. Frank is at retirement age right now. If enough alums contacted Fr. McShane and the Trustees directly, we might have more success than you'd imagine. (NT) -- BLT, Sun April 17, 2005 21:07:15
- BLT's point about credibility is on the mark. Most of us on this board are professionals: business people, attorneys, educators, even a few physicians. Let's act as professionals, and use whatever skills of analysis and persuasion we have to advocate for change. And that change won't come easily. Since the 1950's, a culture of "benign neglect" has characterized policy regarding Fordham athletics. Changing that culture of neglect will not be easy. No one person (including the current Athletic Director) created this culture. While new leadership may be needed in the Athletic Department, this is going to be a task that goes way beyond a few personnel changes. Strident language and scape-goating will get us nowhere. It's time to engage the administration and trustees in a real dialogue about the important role that athletics can play in a vibrant academic community. (NT) -- Old Prof, Sun April 17, 2005 23:32:13
- Bethel Report from the Michael Jordan Classic -- Rambacker, Mon April 18, 2005 22:44:32 
Had a chance to stop by the Jordan Classic at Madison Square Garden on Saturday night. Here's my take on Fordham recruit Chris Bethel and other observations:
Bethel is a no-nonsense player who comes in and gets right in your face on defense immediately. He is well built - I've seen him play once before 4 months ago and he appears to have gotten stronger and bigger without losing any quickness. He is definitely 6-5+ and plays a very smooth game. By that, I mean he seems to glide and then make his move for a rebound, loose ball or to receive a pass. The guy knows how to play the game. He played well in the game, although he was called for 3 quick fouls and had to sit for a long stretch at one point. He looks physically strong and lets the game come to him rather than forcing the action. He's pretty conservative as a player. Here's why I say that - at the end of the game with his team losing by 15, the players on both sides were getting into a "showtime" mode and were setting up dunks with the newly patented Jamal Crawford off-the-backboard pass for dunks by teammates. When Chris got his off-the-backboard pass opportunity, he skyed and looked to be ready to do a tomahawk dunk, but instead chose to do a fingertip roll lay-in instead. He's not showy but gets the job done. He will be a good one for Fordham.
Sidenotes: Fordham recruits were all over this game, with 6' 9" Alvin Mofunanya(St. Joe's) and 6' 2" Craig Austrie(UConn) named team MVP's and 6' 5" Saiquin Stone looking very impressive(Fordham recruited Stone until we signed Bethel). DW is definitely recruiting high-level players. Mofunanya was dominating and will be an impact player at St. Joe's. Austrie hit 3's that looked NBA range.
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- Chris Bethel at Garden/Future -- Somer Ram, Tue April 19, 2005 15:53:34 
Had a chance to see Chris Bethel at Garden on Saturday. My opinion differs greatly from Rambacker's (were we watching the same game?). First the positives,by all accounts he is a great kid. Had a chance to work with him at some summer camps last year and he had a great attitude and intensity and seems very teachable. this is rare in today's Division I player. HOwever right now he is very raw and has a very limited feel for the game. He forces shots at times and has limited perimeter and ballhandling skills. This analysis should not be intrepreted as a knock on him rather that right now he has a long way to go. I think he can contribute in an "intensity" role (8-10 minutes a game off bench to change the flow of the game). I think it is a great recruit in terms of making a mark in the city and getting a great kid but we should hold of on huge expectations his freshman year (closer to Greene/Binns type year then Dunston).
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- I agree that we should temper our expectations of him since he will be a freshman. But I dsagree with you on where he is in his development. The Jordan Classic performance did not fully reflect his game as he was probably tight playing the Garden, etc. But having seen him play twice for St. Raymond's I am comfortable with my description of his abilities. He was a dominating force there. Clearly, like all high school players, he is raw in some areas but his leadership qualities alone will make him a welcome addition to our program. (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue April 19, 2005 16:17:42
- To be successful at the college level, you must have skills and a feel for the game not just athleticism. Bethel does not have these at this time (similar to Greene). Hopefully with hardwork he will develop these until then he will be a smaller minutes guy. (NT) -- Somer Ram, Tue April 19, 2005 16:44:15
- When I read Rambacker's review my reaction was the same. He obviously winged it and was not there. By the way Rambacker, are you going Thurs. nite. (NT) -- Dogbite, Tue April 19, 2005 18:43:49
- a view from the garden state -- Zach Braff, Tue April 19, 2005 21:06:58 
Manny, we hardly knew ya.
You looked great on occasion and lost on occasion. Only you know why that was.
Fix it. Work hard. you have the speed to excel. now add in the discipline.
Posted on 4/8 7:53 PM | IP: Logged
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- Not BBall related, but... -- Air Hej '02, Mon April 18, 2005 08:46:18 
I was watching some of the NFL Network before work this morning and they had on Frankfurt vs. Cologne. Kevin Eakin, #9, was QB'ing for Frankfurt and threw a TD pass. Akili Smith is the starter for Frankfurt, so I am not sure how Eakin got in there, but he lead a nice little drive. Good to see him out there doing well.
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- Still Think We Missed it with this Guy -- DebataRam, Tue April 19, 2005 15:47:40 
"While Torres was solid in defeat, Allen, lighting quick as always, was even better. Although he claims his injured left ankle is only 90%, is sure looked healthy Saturday night as he poured in a team-high 19 points on 7-of-14 shooting. Breezing by defenders, driving through the lane with ease, knocking down jumpers from the perimeter, Allen seemed to be the same explosive scorer everyone remembered him as before his injury.
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- Graduation Speaker -- Bob Hill, Tue April 19, 2005 08:51:25 
Word is out that this year's graduation speaker will be Smush Parker. He will receive an honorary degree.
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- FORDHAM QUALIFIES FOR SPRING SAILING CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP -- Joe S. ' 58, Mon April 18, 2005 15:56:43 
At New York Maritime this past weekend, with two berths remaining from the North region, for inclusion in the America Trophy Regatta at Navy, April 30 - May 1, our first team sailed magnificently to finish second overall and secure one of the berths. The America Trophy pits the top 18 teams in our 42 school conference in a two-day regata for the spring championship. From that event, the top three teams will go to Austin, TX for the North American Championship in June. In 2004, Fordham ranked 13th for the year after placing 15th at last spring's championship regatta. The results:
1. Hobart/William Smith - 64 points
2. Fordham - 80
3. Maryland - 84
4. Kings Point - 97
5. Navy - 102
6. Ocean County - 102
7. Cornell - 106
8. St. Mary's - 107
9. Columbia - 130
10. NY Maritime - 137
11. American U. - 174
12. Princeton - 186
13. Army - 189
14. Skidmore - 220
15. Colgate - 220
16. Penn State - 223
17. Royal Military - 250
18. Stevens - 265
Congratulations to Nate Powell ' 06, Anne-Marie Martin ' 08, Alex Baum ' 08 & Cristina Puglia ' 07 for a job well done.
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- Manny to Rose Hill? -- Rambacker, Mon April 18, 2005 15:11:36 
It appears that Manny Quezada will be a Ram. According to several sources outside of Fordham, he will transfer to Fordham and have 3 years of eligibility. His final schools(for transfer) were Gonzaga, Manhattan, University of San Francisco and Fordham. He is from Washington Heights and apparently being closer to his family was a major factor. Manhattan made a late run at him but he wanted to play in a higher level conference.
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- Is there anything online that confirms this? Great news. (NT) -- Marco (CBA 07), Mon April 18, 2005 15:21:15
- Hey Rambacker, how do you look at this development. Is he on the same level as other recruits we were looking at or do you think he's a step above? (NT) -- Opinionator, Mon April 18, 2005 15:26:30
- If I could jump in here, most recruiting services had Quezada rated at least as higher or higher than the top rated guys we were looking at (like Lowe of Mt. Vernon). Of course, these are subjective ratings and talent levels vary from year to year. One big difference is that Quezada is an excellent student, whereas Lowe has yet to qualify. And Quezada is better than the other remaining PGs on the board at this point. Of course, we will have to wait until 2006-2007 to see him play. He should take Jermaine Anderson's backcourt spot. He is a combo guard, can play the point, and most importantly from the Rams point of view, he can score, so he gives the defense one more thing to worry about. He's a big addition. (NT) -- Upstate Ram, Mon April 18, 2005 17:22:00
- I would put him at the same level, talent-wise, as Craig Austrie. (NT) -- Rambacker, Mon April 18, 2005 18:40:29
- Talked to a few of the players this afternoon.... said they haven't heard of anything yet. (NT) -- Sasquatch, Mon April 18, 2005 15:47:12
- Gonzaga and Univ of San Fran? and he wanted to be closer to home? Doesnt make sense that those were his schools he was finally considering. Rutgers is an hour from Wash. Heights. Keep your fingers crossed me sign him. (NT) -- Dadas78, Mon April 18, 2005 16:01:31
- Great News!!! The future is bright for the young Fordham Rams. Now all there is to do is EXTEND Coach Whittenburg's Contract NOW!!! (NT) -- ConnRam99, Mon April 18, 2005 16:25:22
- Something I found. From a while ago. -- Upstate Ram, Mon April 18, 2005 22:23:49 
Bryant Dunston 6'7" center St John's Prep, NYC. 9/5/03 John P Miciotta: 'Has terrific athletic bloodlines. Uncle Shaun is a former #1 pick in baseball's draft and had a long career as a shortstop/utility man in the national league primarily with the Cubs, Cardinals and Giants and briefly with the Mets. Sometimes it takes Bryant a while to get started not because he doesn't play hard but because he moves tentatively. Once he does he can be very effective. Wide body who uses broad shoulders to get space. OK leaper but only off two feet and with a step to launch himself. Decent hands and a soft touch around the basket. Needs to improve his footwork to be more of a force offensively at the next level where he will face more players his own size or better. Great kid who seems coachable. Recruitable by low majors.'
Manny Quezeda 6'1" PG/SG St. Albans HS (DC) Manhattan native who spent his 9th grade year at Norman Thomas. He is at St. Albans an academically competitive school in Washington DC through the Children's Aid Society's Project Assist program which targets kids who can benefit from academically competitive situations (athlete's and non-athletes alike) and places them in schools that suit their abilities. As for his basketball abilities, he's a tough solid and smart combo guard who has the confidence to take and make tough shots. He's likely best suited for mid major programs but will draw looks from high majors where admissions are tough, and low majors that are academically competitive and where he can play and contribute immediately. Not quite sure he's up to ivy or patriot league level in the classroom but he is bright and has taken advantage of the opportunity at St. Albans for a solid education. Those schools therefore should have a look also
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- Women's BBall Recruit Named 1st Team All-City by Newsday -- DebataRam, Mon April 18, 2005 09:20:01 
Her numbers don't jump out at you. But Christ the King's Nakejia Kelly played on the No. 1 team in the country and often sat late during many blowouts. Kelly, a 5-7 senior guard headed to Fordham, performed well against staunch competition. She scored 11 of her 16 points in the second half of the Federation championship game against Bergtraum. She averaged 9.5 points and 3.7 rebounds.
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- Did Bethel really make 1st Team All City? Is that official? Can only help raise our profile in the City. And Manny too? He is a legit Big East talent. 2 smart, talented kids from NYC who will be key ingredients on some very good teams in the next few years. Sometimes I still can't believe the impact Whittenberg has had. -- free beer, Mon April 18, 2005 20:51:58 
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- Manny Q -- pat, Sun April 17, 2005 17:13:40 
Bronx news 12 had a story last night stating that Manny has decided to transfer to FU. Guess we now have our point guard of the future for the program. Is this guy really that good? See that he barely played at Rutgers this season.?
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- Fordham Scoreboard – Week 34 -- ramMan, Mon April 18, 2005 10:56:51 
15-6 win over Fairfield
6-0 win over Seton Hall
10-1 win over St. Bonaventure
6-2 loss to St. Bonaventure
11-8 win over St. Bonaventure
Mount St. Mary’s Invitational: 9th/12 teams
8-1 win over St. Francis (NY)
9-1 win over St. Francis (NY)
4-0 loss to Seton Hall
7-0 win over Seton Hall
3-0 win over Wagner
2-1 win over Wagner
2-1 loss to Syracuse
1-0 win over Syracuse
7-0 win over Fairfield
Men’s Outdoor Track & Field
Metropolitan Championships: 3rd/13 teams
Women’s Outdoor Track & Field
Metropolitan Championships: 6th/13 teams
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- Softball Update -- patriot, Mon April 18, 2005 08:10:24 
Lady Rams have now won 18 of their last 20 games. Including wins over top Big East members Seton Hall and Syracuse. 26-12(overall) and 8-0(A-10 league play) with 14 games remaining. During the last stretch of the season the team has many important home games remaining. Get outside and enjoy the spring weather while watching this excting and determined team in action as they fight for the A-10 Title and NCAA bid. Go Rams!
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- From today's Newsday -- ramMan, Sun April 17, 2005 21:24:52 
Chris Bethel was the heart and soul of the St. Raymond's Ravens this year. The 6-5 Fordham-bound senior was a monster inside the paint, also sporting a smooth touch from the outside.
Bethel fueled Ravens
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- Gonzo Shopping Again? -- Rambacker, Sat April 16, 2005 15:36:14 
With the AP announcement of DePaul Coach Dave Leitao taking over as Head Coach at UVA, rumors are circulating that Bobby Gonzalez is lobbying heavily for the DePaul job. This is like a broken record!
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- Fordham vrs St. Bonnies -- JA66, Sun April 17, 2005 22:33:56 
GOOD WEEKEND FOR THE RAMS. THEY TAKE TWO OUT OF THREE FROM ST. BONNIE ON THE ROAD. RECORD GOES TO 21-13 OVERALL AND 8-4 IN THE A10, GOOD FOR A SOLID HOLD ON 2ND PLACE BEHIND R.I.
ALSO, NOTE ON THE FORDHAM ATHLETICS SITE REPORTHS THAT WE ARE RANKED 15TH IN THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL RANKINGS.....GO RAMS! BEAT COLUMBIA!
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- Daily News Today -- Lazarus, Sun April 17, 2005 19:02:10 
Nice feature article on John Andaraise. One thing to Bob Raissman, a guy who makes a living critiquing the minutia of the media, Handsome Johnny Bach is still very much with us!
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- Manny Quezada -- Saint Stefan, Sun April 17, 2005 17:36:58 
Here is what you want:
Full bio: http://www.scarletknights.com/basketball-men/roster/bio.asp?ID=19
Out of HS scholarship offer info:
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- Chris Bethel -- B. Mann, Sun April 17, 2005 16:30:25 
So did anyone catch Chris Bethel in the Garden game on Saturday? If so, how did he look? Hope to see everyone at Armstrong's on Thursday!
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- Just read in today's Bergen Record that Seton Hall guard Justin Cerasoli may have plans to leave SHU. It was mentioned that he "had vehemently denied" earlier speculation about him leaving. However, he reportedly has had little contact with the coaching staff after SHU's first round loss to Georgetown in the BE tournament. Does anyone have any information on him - I know he is from the Chicago area. Is he someone our staff may be interested in? -- JCMB, Fri April 15, 2005 12:39:00 
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- Fordham Scoreboard – Week 33 -- ramMan, Sun April 10, 2005 21:56:50 
7-1 win over Duquesne
9-4 win over New York Tech
8-0 win over Wagner
2-1 win over Xavier
4-3 win over Xavier
6-5 loss to Xavier
Hofstra Invitational: 3rd/3 teams
Yale Invitational: T10th/20 teams
14-6 win over UMass
8-2 win over Columbia
4-3 win over Columbia
4-1 win over Rhode Island
16-7 win over Rhode Island
Atlantic 10 Championships: 10th/10 teams
7-0 win over Rhode Island
7-0 loss to UMass
4-3 win over Lehigh
Men’s Outdoor Track & Field
Rider Invitational: 2nd/4 teams
Women’s Outdoor Track & Field
Rider Invitational: 2nd/4 teams
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- These are all great ideas, but here's the key question: IS ANYONE GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? Or just post on the board and let it float away? (NT) -- Rambacker, Thu April 14, 2005 17:21:22
- Click on this message to view the season-ending results for all fall and winter sports. -- ramMan, Sun April 10, 2005 21:57:51
- ramMan, do you know the current Commissioner's Cup standings and where to find them? (NT) -- J92, Sun April 10, 2005 22:12:11
- We need a new AD. No question about it. But what remains a question is what is it going to take for a change to be made. Is there a legitimate chance we are stuck w/ current AD till he retires (yikes!!!) or are their potential catalysts out there that would cause a change sooner? I'd like to think that his record speaks for itself.... I'm curious to see what peoples thoughts are re: the feasibility of a regime change..... This is the real question, not whether or not we need a new AD... (NT) -- Ram1, Mon April 11, 2005 18:44:38
- I find it interesting that people are screaming about Frank below the most positive set of team records I think I've ever seen on the board. I'm not doubting that we're next-to-last in the Commissioner's standings, but talk about not looking at the silver lining. It never helps your credibility when you hammer someone when the reasons for doing so seem quite apart from the subject at hand. P.S. I'm using a new monicker. I've given up "Drag-less," adopted to celebrate the departure of Hill. (NT) -- Rambow, Mon April 11, 2005 18:57:43
- Rambone would be a better monicker. Just one man's opinion - maybe I should take that one. (NT) -- J92, Mon April 11, 2005 19:25:56
- I was responding to the post indicating that we were next to last in the Commissioner's standings, an annual assessment--and not the results of one good week. You remind me of a broker who tried to sell me tech stocks when they went up for one week during the "tech wreck" of 2000-2002. Do you really think a bunch of victories in one week signals the end of four decades of athletic mediocrity under Frank? You can't be serious. (NT) -- Frank Must Go!, Mon April 11, 2005 20:36:38
- And the whole time I thought it was b/c you stopped wearing dresses. (NT) -- ace93, Mon April 11, 2005 21:25:52
- Rambow f/k/a Drag-less. you have nailed the problem. Frank survives because no one makes an intelligent case against him. The rantings on this board are frequently so ridiculous, and from the same posters over and over again, that it is easy for Frank to say that his detractors are nuts. (NT) -- WordsofWisdom, Mon April 11, 2005 23:42:36
- "no one makes an intelligent case against him"??? The stats alone should be intelligent enough to get him fired. If there was a case to be made then even Marcia Clark could win this battle. I think the real question is.. Has the administration ever called him to the carpet for his continually sub par leadership and lack of any sustainable success? I find it hard to believe they have. If there has been a trial questioning the competence and efficiency of our AD then the witnesses have not been from this message board. I find it insulting that you believe that no one on this board makes an intelligent case against our AD. We are all Fordham grads and mostly rational, informed and intelligent people. (NT) -- J92, Mon April 11, 2005 23:59:12
- The problem of this message board is that even when a rational anti-Frank post is made, it is invariably followed by a number of less rational posts with a fair amount of personal abuse thrown in. Thus, the value of the first post becomes diluted, as it becomes associated with the rest of the dicussion. As a result, posting a message here, even a thoughtful one, isn't the way to make the case against Frank. Can we just leave it at that? (NT) -- WordsofWisdom, Tue April 12, 2005 02:25:07
- Frank has become a political institution at this point and serves as the designated javeline-catcher on all matters pertaining to athletics, even the things he has no control over (such as facilities investment decisions). Fordham's Administration moves slowly but they're not stupid. Since they haven't fired Frank for performance then it's clear that it's not as important to them as some other perceived benefit of keeping him on. I think any argument for his removal should be made based on the vision for the future and how we need new leadership to take us to that next level, instead of impugning his character and focusing on the past. Let's keep it professional and future-focused. (NT) -- DamnRam, Tue April 12, 2005 11:00:00
- Frank may have no control over decisions like those on upgrading facilities. Nonetheless, his role should be that of an ADVOCATE for his department and for the part athletics can play in helping Fordham establish the kind of profile that supports its aspirations to become a true national university. While he is a nice guy, Frank tends to be REACTIVE rather than PROACTIVE. His comments (e.g "I'll do that if a check for a hundred million dollars comes in....") tell it all. Rather than building a broad constituency among alums, students, and friends of Fordham, he just waits for things to happen. More.... (NT) -- JCC, Tue April 12, 2005 14:32:42
- ....Frank has never aggressively marketed our programs in the metropolitan area, and he does little to turn our athletic contests into real "events" (though he occasionally responds to specific suggestions on this board on minor things like concessions). He resisted mightily our move from the Patriot League to the A-10, and still shows no interest in exploring possibilities for moving football to a higher league/level (let alone selling such an idea to the administration). He seems content with things as they are, and is happy to always be the voice of why we CAN'T do this or that. We need a CAN-DO guy at the helm, not a CAN'T-DO guy who endlessly makes excuses and accepts the staus quo as an inevitability. I agree that our focus should be on the future, but our current AD has a record which is deplorable (and I'm not just talking about wins & losses). His record is one which certainly doesn't bode well for a brighter future. It's time for a change. (NT) -- JCC, Tue April 12, 2005 14:52:39
- No , the problem is not this board, its the Board of Trustees. Haven't they been entrusted with oversight? What exactly do they do at their quarterly meetings for the past 10 years when they discuss athletics. Hmmm, we lost in every sport, we have the fourth highest budget in A-10 and we are a lughing stock in the New York media.....let's renew Frank's contract. The Board should be sued for Non-Profit D & O malpractice! (NT) -- Frank's Brain, Tue April 12, 2005 17:29:08
- Exactly my point, WOW. I think it's time for Frank to go, but the case should be made without ad hominem attacks. Frank does not come across as the smarmy, n'er-do-well that too many posters depict here. The lack of respect for a decent guy is ridiculous. He has not succeeded as athletic director; that's clear. It's time to move on without personal attacks. (NT) -- Rambow, Tue April 12, 2005 19:24:33
- LISTEN- This is a chatboard- not a formal meeting in front of the board. Yes, there's a lot of sarcastic posts re: Frank, but you'll get that w/ years of frustration.... However, there's also many, many posts with numerous points as to why a change in athletic management is needed- many anecdotes and facts so egregious it's scary.. (NT) -- Ram1, Tue April 12, 2005 20:00:31
- People take sarcastic pot shots at Frank out of frustration. Is it right, probably not, but is it wrong, well where else can these guys vent? Its a bad situation but it is made worse by a terrible feeling of frustration. We are all professionals and know how to read a balance sheet. Its just foaming frsutration boiling over. Also, about 2 years ago, some of the more rational posters like BFG authored a succint, detailed and dispassionately pointed letter to Fr. O'hare pointing out the obvious. It got us nowhere. (NT) -- Frank's Brain, Wed April 13, 2005 00:23:20
- ramMan look at what you started. You simply post the weekly results and it ends up being yet another fire Frank thread. I love it! :) (NT) -- J92, Tue April 12, 2005 19:35:01
- This thread was not in response to the weekly results, but to the item about our next-to-last ranking in the Commissioner's Cup competition. It underscores the continuing poor perfromance of our Athletic Department during Frank's tenure. Here's a suggestion: Promote Frank to a Vice-Presidential position where he reports directly to Father McShane (not wannabe-jock Jeff Gray). Let Frank schmooze and be an Ambassador of Good Will. Replace him as AD with someone who is up to managing & marketing a major athletic program. After a year or two, have Frank retire from his Vice-Presidential position, and then promote the new AD to that position. Since Frank seems to have supporters in high places (even if they agree that he's incompetent), maybe we should think of ways to ease him out gracefully--rather than attempt frontal assaults. (NT) -- Upstairs & Out, Wed April 13, 2005 09:31:07
- I like the idea of not using frontal assaults and of giving Frank a graceful way out, but I'm not sure it would be realistic or honorable to expect him to retire from a VP post only a year or two after promoting him to it. That would only delay the reforms that are needed now, and may trivialize the role in the eyes of real prospects for that post. I think a more honorable way for all concerned would be to have Frank retire from his current position (complete with a banquet and toasts), and then give his permanent replacement the VP title (and he can then select his own direct reports, with a one year grace period for current line staff). Let Gray keep the seat warm during the search for the new Athletics VP since he has effective oversight control of the AD anyway. Frank could then be either shifted into the ambassadorial and/or fundraising role immediately, either full-time or part-time. (NT) -- DamnRam, Wed April 13, 2005 11:18:50
- Frank is EXACTLY the kind of AD that his bosses want. He's happy to report to Jeff Gray and let the latter play coach. Frank's other boss, Fr. McShane, doesn't care much about sports and is relieved to have an AD who doesn't rock the boat. By sticking with Frank, the administration sends the message that no real upgrading is in the cards. The basketball team will keep playing in an antiquated facility, and will have to hope that DW doesn't get frustrated and move on. As for football, forget going to D-1A or a better conference, allowing scholarships, or really improving the facilities. You don't need an expanded stadium when you're just going to be playing teams like Albany State and Marist. An old friend of mine who teaches at Scranton told me not to expect anything from Fr. McShane when it comes to athletics. I guess he was right. Frankly, there is a culture of mediocrity that has affected Fordham athletics for a half-century. It hasn't changed. I'm afraid it never will. (NT) -- Old Prof, Wed April 13, 2005 17:19:23
- Baseball @ SBU this weekend. -- Urban snob, Thu April 14, 2005 11:53:22 
Is your lardass sports editor going to write another POS column about Olean? I don't think he used ALL the rural stereotypes he possibly could in the last one. I want more of that rapier-like wit of his.
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- Yawn....overwith...Move On.... (NT) -- Dadas78, Thu April 14, 2005 12:22:54
- He could use his "rapier-like wit" but it would just confuse the rural simpletons like yourself. (NT) -- DamnRam, Thu April 14, 2005 12:29:35
- Oh to be in Olean, 17,000 residents, seven last names. (NT) -- Jimbo65, Thu April 14, 2005 14:21:35
- Hey, I've lost 13 pounds since that Olean article, so maybe just urban snob and not lard ass is fair haha. (NT) -- T. DeCataldo, Fri April 15, 2005 14:11:21
- Who is this Ron Mexico guy? Are we recruiting him for anything? I heard he's a human highlight reel. -- Ram6it, Thu April 14, 2005 17:42:36 
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- Is it true we lost a recruit to Gadner-Webb? -- DebataRam, Fri April 15, 2005 09:13:29 
"Siddle averaged 21.0 points per game as a junior under Coach John Harder at Eden Morehead and 19.0 points per outing as a sophomore. The floor general chose Gardner-Webb over South Alabama, Fordham and Duquesne."
URL for whole article: http://www.shelbystar.com/portal/ASP/article.asp?ID=15528
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- Like Kevin Anderson, Siddle, who is originally from North Carolina, played this year with Hargrave Military Academy. He is a quick 5-11 point guard who can score, and is a good student, having been recently named to the Hargrave "Commendation List" (for cadets with GPAs of 3.3 or higher). Can't speak for whether he was an A-10 caliber player, but apparently a smart young man who, I'm sure, chose a school he was comfortable with. Yet one more positive indication of the kind of student-athlete Whittenburg has been seeking for Fordham, much to his credit. When do we get his contract extension done? (NT) -- John, Fri April 15, 2005 12:58:03
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