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Date Posted: 03:44:06 10/20/05 Thu
Author: Celebaelin
Subject: Conveniently...
In reply to: MGD 's message, "Re: Do any demons have souls?" on 03:09:00 10/20/05 Thu

In the Dark showed here last night, and the pre-souled Spike of early S4 equivalent is really not what we see post chip at all. There are various arguments that could be made about motivation and so on but they would be speculative. What we can say is that Spike was willing to torture Angel and to feed on humans at this point.

At other times he also says both to Clem (classic 'puppy-dog' demon) and to the demon that re-souls him that the chip has messed with his head; changed him. In a country like the UK where a great deal of it is covered by CCTV this provokes comparisons with technology limiting behaviour in non-direct ways. Computer based records of licences, crimes, bank accounts etc. all limit our 'freedom' to misbehave to whatever extent. Could Joss be commenting on this? Well, yes, he could.

I think most people would agree that re-ensoulment didn't change Spike much except perhaps to make him care about, feel guilty about, his former acts. Ever the pragmatist he sips the brooding and goes straight to the redemptive aspects with the slight proviso that people will still be people; imperfect and, under certain circumstances, just plain evil. Maybe the human soulist argument stems from the ability of free, ensouled, humans to decide the fate of their souls by choosing their own actions. Maybe not!

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Replies:

Re: Conveniently... -- Sunshine, 09:33:04 10/20/05 Thu
- a trivial quibble -- Rich, 13:17:13 10/20/05 Thu
  - Re: a trivial quibble -- Sunshine, 14:30:33 10/20/05 Thu
  - Re: a trivial quibble -- Sunshine, 16:00:01 10/24/05 Mon
    - Re: a trivial quibble counterpoint -- Rich, 19:40:51 10/24/05 Mon
      - I mostly agree -- Sunshine, 10:08:40 10/26/05 Wed
        mostly agreeing with your mostly agreement -- Rich, 13:26:58 10/26/05 Wed
        That was funny -- Sunshine, 14:52:27 10/26/05 Wed
        Good fic. No parent should live to see that. (NT) -- Celebaelin, 15:00:31 10/26/05 Wed
        Marsters -- manwitch, 10:41:57 10/27/05 Thu
      - I read it differently -- Celebaelin, 14:59:37 10/27/05 Thu

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