Thanks for all of your opinions! I know some people are a supporter of it and some are not. I still personally prefer the idea of the most points winning. It used to be anyway that judges were told they were not scoring competitions; they were looking for Miss America. Even if they were a 6 in talent they were told to score it a 10. So, it does get a bit murky and hopefully the judges understand how to score. The big drawback, IMO, is when judges are told to lowball the one they think is the biggest competition to their first choice. So, it could cause a quality contestant to tank and lose scholarship or possibly even win if others were not in consensus on who the first choice was. I want to say that most points were in place in 2004 but I cannot remember exactly. I think the ballot came back maybe within the last 15 years? -- The Unofficial Unmoderated MAO Message Board

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Subject: Thanks for all of your opinions! I know some people are a supporter of it and some are not. I still personally prefer the idea of the most points winning. It used to be anyway that judges were told they were not scoring competitions; they were looking for Miss America. Even if they were a 6 in talent they were told to score it a 10. So, it does get a bit murky and hopefully the judges understand how to score. The big drawback, IMO, is when judges are told to lowball the one they think is the biggest competition to their first choice. So, it could cause a quality contestant to tank and lose scholarship or possibly even win if others were not in consensus on who the first choice was. I want to say that most points were in place in 2004 but I cannot remember exactly. I think the ballot came back maybe within the last 15 years?

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Date Posted: 16:14:18 01/16/24 Tue
In reply to: Owner/Moderator 's message, "FINAL 5 SCORING" on 11:45:20 01/15/24 Mon

>Good morning everyone!
>
>Full post coming later this afternoon, but I wanted to
>ask or note:
>
>The scoring was explained that each competition would
>be scored 25 percent to make a top 5. However, it was
>never explained if the final 5 was scored via ranking,
>ballot, or total points scored? Did anyone hear that,
>or was it never explained? It really was never a big
>explanation on final night at previous Miss Americas,
>but this year I really do not think that it was
>explained.

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[> [> Subject: Ballot came back in 2019 .. I had a daughter compete in both years..2018 was pure score, 2019 (year 1 of 2.0) was final ballot
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:44:35 01/16/24 Tue

[> [> [> Subject: Thanks! Since you were able to experience both, did you observe that there were any differences?
Author: Owner/Moderator [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:55:51 01/16/24 Tue

[> [> [> [> Subject: Unfortunately, not without sounding like a bitter mom. 😱 It just seems easier to guess who will win & who will be 4th runner up when there is final ballot vs pure score. Which goes along with an earlier point - the origin of vote of the heart - yeah she is talented, beautiful, fit, well spoken — but do we really want a (fat; petite; black; queer; amazon; blue haired) insert bias, as our Miss State?

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Date Posted: 19:16:24 01/16/24 Tue

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: If you're a mom, you're human. :) I get it, if I had a daughter competing I would want the best for her. I have the same concerns as you, I fear that judges have either implicit or explicit bias. I know that many judges have integrity but many biases we are not even conscious of. I wouldn't want to be responsible for unfairly ending someone's dream. That is the problem with a final ballot. I know you can do it other ways by awarding points to those you like but if you have it in for a certain contestant it is easier to completely tank them.

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Date Posted: 22:00:41 01/18/24 Thu