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Subject: Is he? Author: Wade A. Tisthammer [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07/14/04 3:47pm In reply to: Ben 's message, "It's as much my relative as it is yours" on 07/ 6/04 11:28pm >It's not my "uncle," no. But there is no doubt it is >related to me. Darwin first figured it out, and then >modern science, particularly DNA comparison, has >verified it. Has it? We've found similarities to be sure. But there are different interpretations of the data here. One alternate explanation: similar biological structures (as DNA) for similar functions. A TI-85 and a TI-86 graphing calculator have numerous similarities. Nonetheless, that doesn't imply that they evolved from a common ancestor. Perhaps better evidence would be fossils of intermediate forms, but the track record for this is quite troubling. Hence a number of creationists argue it to be evidence that the evidence of human evolution is spurious. Take the example of Piltdown man. If this was really a hard science, why didn’t scientists immediately recognize when they examined it that it was the combination of a jaw and skullcap of a man and an ape? The hoax was a fairly obvious one, and yet it took decades for it to be realized. A number of other examples could be given. If the link give was correct, then nearly all experts now realize that even the famous Lucy to be just a 3-foot chimpanzee. Hence the skepticism of claims like, “Oh, we have fossil evidence for it now!” Given the obvious human imperfections of science in this case (not to mention the not so illustrious the track record) such as the example above, I’m not convinced. “Conclusive evidence” seems like a terrible overstatement. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date One point. Wade A. Tisthammer 07/14/04 4:00pm Alernate explanations are easy to create Ben 07/14/04 4:15pm They sure are. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 07/14/04 5:24pm Damoclese rides again -- Damoclese, 07/14/04 8:04pm Welcome back Kemosabe -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 07/15/04 9:31pm Design? -- Damoclese, 07/16/04 8:18am Disputable points -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 08/12/04 5:38pm I don't think that -- Ben, 07/15/04 12:57am Okay. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 07/15/04 10:11pm That's simply science -- Damoclese, 07/16/04 8:31am You old softy. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 08/12/04 5:43pm Harding Place -- Damoclese, 08/15/04 11:56am A rock...quite a bit more stable than hominid fossils -- Wade A. Tisthamjmer, 09/13/04 12:09am More on Deceptive Design Theory -- Ben, 07/16/04 3:05pm What's deceptive about it? -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 08/12/04 5:57pm here's why -- Damoclese, 08/15/04 7:21pm That's not what I was referring to -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 09/12/04 11:51pm And a little more -- Damoclese, 07/18/04 7:08pm And more -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 08/12/04 6:04pm When were the laws of Mathematics started? And why? And how? -- QUITTNER, 08/13/04 1:30pm reality check -- Duane, 08/23/04 1:05am Re: reality check -- QUITTNER, 08/30/04 12:55pm Duane -- grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....., 08/31/04 7:25am Interesting "explanations" -- QUITTNER, 08/31/04 1:37pm whoops... -- Duane, 08/31/04 10:25pm Interesting explanations -- QUITTNER, 09/ 3/04 2:28pm Why post at all? -- Ben, 09/ 3/04 7:10pm I agree -- Duane, 09/ 7/04 7:51am ...of little substance -- Damoclese, 08/15/04 12:01pm Ingoring the substance -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 09/13/04 12:17am Hitting the Bottle -- Damoclese, 09/13/04 1:23am Of substance -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 09/14/04 3:48pm Substance abuse -- Damoclese, 09/14/04 10:29pm One quick comment -- Duane, 09/13/04 10:20am One quick reply -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 09/14/04 4:06pm A strange admission... -- Duane, 09/14/04 4:59pm