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Subject: Surprised Placements At MA
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:36:53 01/21/26 Wed (NoHost/169.156.15.222) This is strictly for 1st runners up and 4th. Were there any surprises about someone being called 4 when you thought they should be higher or head scratching 1st runner ups Not saying anything cruel.. Just saying [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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For this millennium, cannot think of any 1st RUs that were not deserving, even if I did not have them that high. But for as at 4ths, yes, most recently Margana Wood for 2018. I had Margana winning (esp after LA & AL were cut. Those were my top 3, so very surprised). Before that, Emoly West, Yanci Yarbrough, and maybe Nicole Lamarche come to mind. (NT) -- No name, 15:33:41 01/21/26 Wed (NoHost/146.75.164.0) I never could figure out why Yanci did not win. (NT) -- No name, 16:43:36 01/30/26 Fri (133-111-106-149.in-addr.arpa.pulsefiber.org/149.106.111.133) A couple of 4th runner ups that I thought should have placed higher were Linnea Fayard in 1990, Missy Hurdle in 1991, Nancy Glisson in 1993 and Tiffany Storm in 1994. (NT) -- No name, 16:23:34 01/21/26 Wed (NoHost/148.59.75.51) Amen, amen, amen and amen! (NT) -- No name, 14:35:15 01/22/26 Thu (NoHost/163.116.254.48) Yes I would have switched Nancy G with Kara Martin (NT) -- No name, 17:06:25 01/21/26 Wed (NoHost/172.56.3.55) I always thought they put Nancy in the 4th runner up slot, so she wasn't a threat to Kim Aiken. (NT) -- No name, 16:15:22 01/22/26 Thu (NoHost/155.190.9.5) I was most shocked hearing Emoly West from OK called as 4th ru. There was so much hype and buzz around her and many thought she was running away with the crown on finals. I do think Scanlan was the rightful winner that night (NT) -- No name, 03:29:13 01/22/26 Thu (NoHost/172.56.64.164) There are many 4RUs that I had as the winner.... to name only 5: Tiffany Storm (1995), Emoly West (2011), Noelle Freeman (2012), Lauren Kuhn (2015) and Margana Wood (2018). Glad to see many of them have been mentioned already. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 08:35:59 01/22/26 Thu (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) in hindsight, those judges were bound and determined to crown a future Harvard lawyer with gorgeous blue eyes (despite that junior league talent) but Margana did herself no favors by the dreadful answer to her Top 5 question (which she had to take back when she got back to TX). Sad! (NT) -- No name, 19:08:23 01/22/26 Thu (c-73-206-250-152.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/73.206.250.152) Dreadful to you. (NT) -- No name, 13:14:57 01/23/26 Fri (ip72-198-20-156.ok.ok.cox.net/72.198.20.156) Her top 5 answer was the best of the bunch. What are you smoking? As for her taking it back, you must be dreaming. She never took any of it back. And she was right (NT) -- No name, 14:25:37 01/23/26 Fri (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) Margana went on TV in both Houston and Dallas (I saw both interviews) and said Of course she never meant to suggest that she was substituting her judgment for the President of the United States. Something like that, very diplomatic, very deferential. She had to 'cause TX is a red state. In your opinion, she might have been "right" as rain, but I don't think it sat well with many Texans. Carry on.d (NT) -- No name, 16:40:05 01/23/26 Fri (NoHost/163.116.254.50) Ok first of all, that makes no sense whatsoever. She didn't say anything that needed clarification that she wasn't "substituting her judgment for the president's" whatever that even means. Second, Margana won the crown and was one of the most popular and most booked Miss TXes in modern history, so no, she didn't have to walk it back even in "red" TX. Please (NT) -- No name, 14:19:10 01/25/26 Sun (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) What was Margana’s question? And what did she answer? (NT) -- No name, 19:01:08 01/25/26 Sun (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) We dodged a bullet when Noelle didn't win (NT) -- No name, 14:24:13 01/23/26 Fri (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) Why? (NT) -- No name, 23:41:28 01/26/26 Mon (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) She finished 3rd runner up, but Lexie Madden was my choice for 2013. I never saw Mallory coming between Lexie, Ali Rogers and Alicia Clifton. (NT) -- No name, 16:07:50 01/22/26 Thu (NoHost/159.100.209.51) Different strokes. I had Mallory as the winner all night. (NT) -- No name, 15:03:25 01/23/26 Fri (NoHost/64.53.172.188) So did the judges. They even had Mallory winning Swimsuit. REALLY?? I also loved Lexie and Ali. (NT) -- No name, 22:53:12 01/23/26 Fri (c-73-206-250-152.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/73.206.250.152) The thing is, if you didn't have Mallory winning the whole thing after she won swimsuit, then you have no idea how to predict pageant winners. There was nothing outstanding about Mallory, or so we thought. When she won swimsuit, I knew right away the judges fell in love with her and it was her performance on stage and not necessarily how she compared to others in individual categories that would carry her to the crown. The judges fell in love with her in interview and then loved her confidence and attitude on stage. This was totally an example of personality winning (NT) -- No name, 15:42:05 01/25/26 Sun (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) I knew there was something " special" about her the moment I found out she texted one of the judges during pageant week. Ya gotta love a girl who just totally disregards the rules and does things on her own terms. And that's not even bringing up how after her year she sided with Gretchen and Regiba to finished the job of bringing down the brand of Miss America. Yeah....she's a very admirable girl. (NT) -- No name, 13:06:34 01/26/26 Mon (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194) That sounds like a conflict of interest! Do you have proof of this? (NT) -- No name, 19:50:05 01/26/26 Mon (ec2-18-88-12-239.compute-1.amazonaws.com/18.88.12.239) It was discussed widely on this board during Miss America week. I think she texted a judge to wish them Happy Birthday or something. Lots of folks were upset about it. (NT) -- No name, 22:45:08 01/26/26 Mon (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194) It wasnt a text it was a twitter comment (NT) -- No name, 13:58:36 01/27/26 Tue (NoHost/128.163.239.165) Camille Lewis and Scarlotte Dupree. Scarotte may have had the worst voice ever to grace the Miss America stage. (NT) -- Sonia, 18:18:30 01/22/26 Thu (ool-182f1de3.dyn.optonline.net/24.47.29.227) It wasn't THAT bad. Carrie Mitchell was BAD, but she was gorgeous. (NT) -- No name, 19:42:39 01/25/26 Sun (NoHost/212.15.84.121) Well, as far as looks good, if you are using looks as a barometer, Scarlett wasn't exactly barking up any trees, either. I thought she was beautiful. Not the strongest voice, but beautiful. (NT) -- No name, 13:17:52 01/26/26 Mon (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194) Worst voice goes to Kristi Glakas (NT) -- No name, 19:22:53 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/172.56.64.164) Scarlotte won the contestant vote and the quiz which combined was 20% of the score. Camille Lewis bombed the quiz and wasn’t in the top 3 for contestant vote. (NT) -- No name, 23:34:29 01/29/26 Thu (ip98-162-249-128.ok.ok.cox.net/98.162.249.128) Sorry have to throw this in there ..In 2003 Everyone expected Marina Harrison to do better than 3rd. Hadnt heard such boos's since Nancy Glisson But im guessing it was Dunlap's dress that helped. However she also won talent that night so I guess maybe Marina was were she should have been..... Maybe 2 tho (NT) -- No name, 11:40:38 01/23/26 Fri (NoHost/169.156.15.204) In my opinion, the pageant was over when Dunlap walked out in that dress. The only time I've ever seen an evening gown win Miss America. I don't know who her stylist was, but whomever earned their paycheck. She was perfection. (NT) -- No name, 13:18:33 01/23/26 Fri (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194) Speaking of that .... She was the first Miss America to walk empty handed . I dont think the dress played a part in it but it was odd. (NT) -- No name, 13:25:18 01/23/26 Fri (NoHost/169.156.15.204) I always wondered about that. Did she take off before they could hand her the stuff. She was bouncing around so.My all time favorite winning reaction. (NT) -- No name, 13:20:00 01/26/26 Mon (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194) Stuff? If you look again there were no stuff. No flowers no septar was seen. I saw the video of when she won Florida and her reaction was almost the same but not to the degree it was at MA (NT) -- No name, 07:16:04 01/27/26 Tue (NoHost/172.58.244.222) What made the dress so special? It was beautiful, yes, but I don't seee how it was as amazing as people make it out to be (NT) -- No name, 14:27:25 01/23/26 Fri (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) It wasn't actually the dress, itself. It was just that was the perfect dress for her. It had to do more with the color, style, etc. She just literally popped onstage. (NT) -- No name, 15:10:55 01/25/26 Sun (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194) I believe her stylist was her late pageant director, a female impersonator who performed as Carmella Marcella Garcia. The updo hairpiece and yellow gown made for a dynamic presentation in EG. (NT) -- No name, 17:18:08 01/23/26 Fri (c-73-206-250-152.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/73.206.250.152) George Timothy Reed. Died of bladder cancer a few years ago. (NT) -- No name, 12:21:34 01/25/26 Sun (syn-104-231-146-068.res.spectrum.com/104.231.146.68) I actually think guys who perform drag actually make great stylists because in their line of work to look believable they have to think hard about every aspect of the presentation and leave nothing to chance. (NT) -- No name, 15:14:02 01/25/26 Sun (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194) Erika Dunlap Gown -- No name, 17:21:17 01/23/26 Fri (syn-068-202-059-035.res.spectrum.com/68.202.59.35) For an organization that stood for community service, talent and scholastic achievement, Dunlap was about an inch deep. I never understood her win and saw her speak a few times during her year and always walked away shaking my head. There were so many other better choices, especially Marina Harrison. I just chalk that year up to bad judges. (NT) -- No name, 18:24:53 01/23/26 Fri (NoHost/159.100.209.51) The two Erica's: Dunlap and Harrold. THE BEGINNING OF THE END. (NT) -- UGH, 15:08:27 01/25/26 Sun (c-76-106-49-125.hsd1.md.comcast.net/76.106.49.125) I would add Nia Franklin to Erica Dunlap and Erica Harold list. Nia was truly the rudest Miss America I have ever met. I watch her be especially rude to several young girls. (NT) -- No name, 01:42:50 01/26/26 Mon (173-31-227-184.client.mchsi.com/173.31.227.184) Wasn't she a kiddie pageant veteran? (NT) -- No name, 20:15:44 01/25/26 Sun (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194) Tara Holland's dress won Miss America in preliminary competition. When she walked out in that dress, everyone sitting it Boardwalk Hall KNEW she was going to be Miss America. And she had the other goods to back it up. But that dress was stellar. (NT) -- No name, 12:04:09 01/26/26 Mon (syn-107-013-036-240.res.spectrum.com/107.13.36.240) Was that the same dress she wore in finals? If so, major difference of opinion. One of my least favorite winning gowns ever. (NT) -- No name, 13:10:35 01/26/26 Mon (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194) I had a director tell me stories of how Tara prepped for Miss Kansas and Miss America - there’s no doubt she was competing to win! (NT) -- No name, 18:15:04 01/29/26 Thu (75-163-205-28.clsp.qwest.net/75.163.205.28) I'm friends with a contestant that competed that year. She said she was polite but kept herself segregated from everyone that week. She was not there for Miss Congeniality. She was not popular among tge other contestants and many were upset that she won. My friend said she didn't really care one way or another, but a victory for one of the friendlier girls would have been nice. (NT) -- No name, 11:09:04 01/30/26 Fri (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) I think the judges wanted to crown Miss WI, the doctor, but she bombed the quiz, Osq and her talent wasn’t great that great during the telecast, plus I don’t think she wanted to win and that came through. Dunlap saw an opening and took it (NT) -- No name, 15:11:53 01/23/26 Fri (208.sub-174-202-161.myvzw.com/174.202.161.208) That was the year when prelim awards were given off of resumes and not what was presented on stage. WI never should have won talent and VA never should have won swimsuit. (NT) -- No name, 18:25:48 01/23/26 Fri (NoHost/159.100.209.51) If we're gonna drag DEI, that was on overload that year. Wisconsin totally contradicted herself about her dad dying because he attended her pageant. The swan died too (NT) -- No name, 12:47:06 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/212.15.84.112) Sorry, but I don't think your correct about that. While he attened the Miss WI pageant, they missed a call because he was on a waiting list for a kidney transplant. I believe he passed away from the time she was crowned Miss Wi and before Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 22:34:57 01/29/26 Thu (184-97-57-142.lcrs.centurylink.net/184.97.57.142)

Subject: Miss America local crowns and local entry fees
Author: Dana [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:04:43 01/25/26 Sun (syn-047-044-091-146.biz.spectrum.com/47.44.91.146) Hi.....can anyone tell me what is the primary (or only) source for Miss America system local crowns and is there a website for this company, and any idea the cost of a local crown? We had a local winner from six years ago whose family had a house fire recently which could have been worse, but the part of the upstairs area of the house was her bedroom when she comes back home to see parents. She lost her crown in that spare bedroom along with other things, and we wish to get her it replaced. But our county pageant closed just before the COVID-19 pandemic (but not because of it---just lack of volunteers and endless time-consuming fighting for scholarship money) and I have no clue what does a Miss America local crown cost now. Any assistance? And if I understand correctly, local entrants for Miss America system no longer have to get sponsors or pay funds for the Miss America and Children's Miracle Network program, which basically came off as a Miss USA state pageant type entry free. If I recall correctly, that ended four or five years ago, so do local pageant contestants still need to pay anything to enter a 2026 Miss America local or regional state preliminary pageant even if it is disguised for charity like Miss America Organization and CMA of a few years ago? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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If I'm not mistaken, I think KA Concepts still handles the crowns. I think you have to provide documentation to purchase an " official" crown. Also, I think Robin instituted an actual entry fee when she turned the pageant into a for profit event. (NT) -- No name, 20:20:31 01/25/26 Sun (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194) there is an annual "membership" fee set in place with MAO, then each local/state can charge their own individual prices (NT) -- No name, 15:21:41 01/27/26 Tue (c-68-80-167-64.hsd1.pa.comcast.net/68.80.167.64) If it is a Schoppy crown can they ask them to make a replacement? The KA crowns are not as high quality as Schoppy was (NT) -- No name, 23:11:10 01/25/26 Sun (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) Asked Dave @Schoppy-he said KA Concepts was supplying him the crowns. -- No name, 15:27:38 01/28/26 Wed (NoHost/172.56.71.73) purchase a crown -- No name, 15:25:46 01/26/26 Mon (syn-098-150-085-185.res.spectrum.com/98.150.85.185) Good idea-but I have seen local crowns especially Schoppy ones priced at the thousands (NT) -- No name, 01:35:52 01/27/26 Tue (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) Contact the State Director, they will help you get a crown. the prices change each year, I think the Miss crown is like $140 (NT) -- No name, 01:18:38 01/28/26 Wed (syn-076-032-018-149.res.spectrum.com/76.32.18.149) I was curious about the same thing----about entry fee for local MAO participants. So MAO-CMA ended, now there is another charity the contestants have to pay basically entry fees? Or is it a straight-out entry/sponsorship fee like any Miss USA state pageant has required for decades now? -- One person above mention Robin's for-profit method, so what is the cost to enter?, 13:58:26 01/28/26 Wed (syn-047-049-055-214.biz.spectrum.com/47.49.55.214) Contestants pay $30 fee to American Heart Association and each local has can have an entry fee (NT) -- No name, 14:17:42 01/28/26 Wed (NoHost/128.163.239.165) Cost -- No name, 15:56:18 01/28/26 Wed (NoHost/76.72.177.191) It's a $50 membership and it automatically renews each year so if you are done competing you have to cancel it yourself. (NT) -- No name, 17:30:03 01/28/26 Wed (24-230-142-219-dynamic.midco.net/24.230.142.219) What about the cost and which company makes the Miss America local banners/sashes? How much and how rapid can they be sent out upon requesting them? -- When we had our local (and also at the state level) we did not award banners., 14:15:33 01/30/26 Fri (syn-047-049-055-214.biz.spectrum.com/47.49.55.214)

Subject: Which Miss America winner was the one that struck you as the most " came out of nowhere" to take the title? Mine would be Tawny Godin. This is not a slam to the winners that year, but basically means they were just flying under the radar
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:44:36 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Kira until we saw the Kmart lady barefoot. (NT) -- No name, 13:07:31 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/212.15.84.120) I'm not following... Who is the "K Mart Lady?" (NT) -- No name, 15:20:29 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Cara Mund, but it was a pleasant surprise. Her RU was also a shocker (NT) -- No name, 13:49:56 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/200.9.115.202) Rebecca King, Tawny Godin, Kate Shindle, Teresa Scanlan, Mallory Hagan, Kira Kazantsev, Cara Mund, Camille Schreier, Madison Marsh, Abby Stockard. (NT) -- No name, 14:04:23 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/172.56.83.125) Forgot to add Shirley Cothran. (NT) -- No name, 15:04:58 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/172.56.87.150) I agree with most of your choices, but no one was beating Cothran that year ( and I had a family member competing) First off, she was drop dead gorgeous in person and had a swimsuit body that would not quit. Gown was gorgeous, talent was minimal but all she would have had to do was recite her ABC's. But most importantly, she had B. Don' Magness and that whole Texas powerhouse organization behind her. This was back when Texas was at it's most powerful. (NT) -- No name, 15:25:23 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) I think that, at 21, she already had a master's degree and used this scholarship towards her Ph.D. Many fans loved her talent performance. (NT) -- No name, 16:36:56 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/163.116.145.66) It was entertaining, but that year was overloaded on major talent. Shirley's was probably in the top 3rd of contestants, but not one of the Top 10 best, in my opinion. But like I said, she had the " Miss America" look and no one questioned her win.I met her at a local a few months later, and she put the stun in stunning. However, I don't know what they did to her at her farewell. They turned her into a grandmother. (NT) -- No name, 16:43:08 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Yes, they did. (NT) -- No name, 18:28:39 01/29/26 Thu (c-73-206-250-152.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/73.206.250.152) I would have much preferred Darlene Compton, Miss Kentucky being chosen Miss America. Darlene sang Mira from Carnival. She was amazingly beautiful, and won Preliminary Talent. (NT) -- No name, 17:05:41 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/172.56.84.144) I remember that talent. Beautiful voice. That same song had won talent for Allyn Warner (ME) a few years before. (NT) -- No name, 19:54:04 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) I'm pretty by the book (hence the name hah) when scoring, so that year my choice was definitely California's Lucianne Buchanan because her talent made her a better all-around choice, but at the same time, I'm not surprised to hear this about Shirley. When I think of Miss Americas who chose a gown so perfect for them that the effect was magical, I think of 3 - Kimberly Aiken, Debra Maffett, and Shirley. Breathtaking beauty. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 06:47:58 01/30/26 Fri (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) I really think that worked to the detriment the next year for the 1st runner up, Susan Lawrence, Miss NC. She was another beauty, one of the prettiest faces ever at Miss America, but looked so close to Shirley from the year before, they went with Tawny instead. r (NT) -- No name, 10:57:32 01/30/26 Fri (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Theresa Scanlan was a complete shock. Terrible onstage. (NT) -- No name, 14:20:26 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/216.125.37.210) Scanlan won because she was so intelligent and because Kris Jenner was a judge. Kris was used to women that capitalized on sex tapes to get ahead and was thoroughly rocked when she ran across a female that actually had working brain. It was so new to her. (NT) -- No name, 15:51:00 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Kris didn’t judge that year she judged Laura K’s year (NT) -- No name, 19:20:55 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/172.56.64.164) According to Wikipedia, you are correct. I could have sworn that was the year she judged. Well then, I have no explanation as to how she won, lol Although, a friend of mine and his wife (non pageant people) met her at an Amway convention. This was back when Amway was a national sponsor. They could not stop gushing about how friendly and personable she was to them. Maybe the judges saw a touch of that. (NT) -- No name, 20:01:03 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) I would say Kira (NT) -- No name, 18:54:47 01/29/26 Thu (162.sub-174-221-132.myvzw.com/174.221.132.162) Tawny had a great group of runner ups. Rebecca King also had a strong group of runner ups. An old story about Judy Hieke the 1st RU to King and Miss WI was that her dad was pulled aside and was told she would not win and the powers that be couldn’t let her win because last years winner Terry Meeuwsen was Miss WI. The story was that having back to back state winners nearly bankrupted the pageant in 1960. (NT) -- No name, 23:27:53 01/29/26 Thu (ip98-162-249-128.ok.ok.cox.net/98.162.249.128) For me, Teresa Scanlan would have to be at the top of this list. That must have been one hellacious interview. I would agree that Tawny and Kira were major surprises but certainly not Shirley Cothran. She was one of the most beautiful Miss Americas ever. (NT) -- No name, 23:50:01 01/29/26 Thu (216-24-92-182.unassigned.ntelos.net/216.24.92.182) I've also heard that. (NT) -- No name, 00:30:55 01/30/26 Fri (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Interesting to hear your thoughts on Tawny's runner-ups. I personally was super non-aligned with the judging in that pageant. My Top 3 out of the Top 10 all missed the Top 5... Mary Ellen Richardson of Texas, Cynthia Carpenter of Massachusetts, and Ann Schmalzried of Florida. Of the actual Top 5, I'd have gone with Arizona's Stacey Petersen, but she's in the bottom 3 of my personal winners. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 08:21:29 01/30/26 Fri (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) My bottom 10 Miss Americas (1959-2018) based on finals competition are: (1959) Mary Ann Mobley, (1963) Jacquelyn Mayer, (1967) Jane Jayroe, (1970) Pamela Eldred, (1974) Rebecca Ann King, (1976) Tawny Godin, (1996) Shawntel Smith, (2003) Erika Harold, (2015) Kira Kazantsev, (2018) Cara Mund. Mary Anne, Jane, Pamela and Erika had all won prelim awards (so theoretically couldn't have been too 'out of nowhere'), so my answer is my other 6 :) (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 05:45:38 01/30/26 Fri (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) I had neglected to mention Shawntel Smith in my list of surprises. I had her nowhere near the top. As you may recall, that year the top three were all non-preliminary winners. (NT) -- No name, 09:39:59 01/30/26 Fri (216-24-92-182.unassigned.ntelos.net/216.24.92.182) Mary Ann! Blasphemy! Lol How could she be on your bottom 10? That face! That personality! She was so beautiful and cute. Before my time, but I've seen the tape. I thought she was a slam dunk winner. (NT) -- No name, 11:02:17 01/30/26 Fri (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Cara 100% (NT) -- No name, 13:15:30 01/30/26 Fri (NoHost/128.163.239.165)

Subject: There were 2 computer picks for winners in 1985?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:46:13 01/30/26 Fri (75.97.137.92.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net/75.97.137.92) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Susan Akin was predicted by a computer to be the winner. No one was shocked when she did win. (NT) -- No name, 08:09:08 01/30/26 Fri (NoHost/184.52.103.146) Who was the other computer pick? (NT) -- No name, 11:03:06 01/30/26 Fri (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) I meant the year before that I guess. Who were the picks for 1983 and 1984? (NT) -- d..., 12:21:55 01/30/26 Fri (75.97.137.92.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net/75.97.137.92) Vanessa was the hands down favorite in 1983. The computer even predicted her win. (NT) -- No name, 12:36:26 01/30/26 Fri (NoHost/155.190.9.5) Kelly Bumragen and then Tamara Hext were the computer picks for Miss America 1985. Both made top 10, and hext fibished 5th overall. Bumragen was his initial pick then he switched to Hexr. (NT) -- No name, 12:25:55 01/30/26 Fri (ip98-162-249-128.ok.ok.cox.net/98.162.249.128)

Subject: Favorite first runner-ups. Patricia Brant.
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:10:30 01/15/26 Thu (75.97.137.92.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net/75.97.137.92) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Hard to disagree. That was my first year attending Miss A in person and I was quite impressed with her. (NT) -- No name, 23:38:27 01/15/26 Thu (216-24-92-182.unassigned.ntelos.net/216.24.92.182) Teresa Cheatham, Virginia Cha, Michelle Warren, Kelly Bradshaw, and Aly Rogers. (NT) -- No name, 02:13:27 01/16/26 Fri (NoHost/108.147.173.20) All the above named ladies were excellent choices but as time moved on each year, it was easy to see that the right winner was chosen. (NT) -- No name, 10:35:58 01/16/26 Fri (216-24-92-182.unassigned.ntelos.net/216.24.92.182) Bridget Oei was terrific (NT) -- No name, 08:44:27 01/16/26 Fri (c-73-123-39-2.hsd1.ma.comcast.net/73.123.39.2) Faith Jenkins... Elyse Eddy....Both should have won (NT) -- No name, 10:37:22 01/16/26 Fri (NoHost/169.156.15.222) I do not agree. Angela was my favorite over Faith. Faith's biggest drawback was her accent. (NT) -- No name, 13:50:12 01/16/26 Fri (NoHost/155.190.9.5) Faith was catapulted to the top by her double preliminary wins that were corrected when they threw out the scoring of the judge who previously judged Miss TX. Without his scores, we wouldn't have heard Faith's name called during prelims. She i s pretty but when I met her prior to Miss A she was quiet and seemed shy. (NT) -- No name, 14:04:31 01/22/26 Thu (NoHost/163.116.254.48) I think her prelim wins were deserved. Also think her first ru spot was deserved. (NT) -- No name, 00:23:54 01/23/26 Fri (61.sub-174-220-201.myvzw.com/174.220.201.61) Maya Walker and Cullen Johnson (NT) -- No name, 17:38:38 01/16/26 Fri (syn-104-231-146-068.res.spectrum.com/104.231.146.68) I wonder if Cullen Johnson had won, would she have still had her issues? (NT) -- No name, 18:53:38 01/16/26 Fri (159.sub-174-238-96.myvzw.com/174.238.96.159) Chasity Hardman should have won her year. (NT) -- No name, 19:01:03 01/16/26 Fri (send.leadsmailstream.com/168.235.94.33) Faith and Patricia tier 1. Honorable mention goes to Elyse and Jade Smalls. (NT) -- sonia, 19:22:21 01/16/26 Fri (ool-182f1de3.dyn.optonline.net/24.47.29.227) Catherine Monroe, Miss Massachusetts 1968 first runnerup to Judy Ford. GORGEOUS!!!! (NT) -- ME, 19:45:45 01/16/26 Fri (c-76-106-49-125.hsd1.md.comcast.net/76.106.49.125) Yes, she definitely has one of the most beautiful faces ever at Miss America. Talent was weak as water though. But, who needs talent if you look like that? (NT) -- No name, 00:29:50 01/23/26 Fri (254.sub-174-210-67.myvzw.com/174.210.67.254) Courtney Garrett from VA. She was on fire that night and was my pick when it came down to the five. (NT) -- No name, 20:37:35 01/16/26 Fri (NoHost/172.56.67.19) Yes, a thousand times, yes! (NT) -- No name, 13:54:54 01/17/26 Sat (NoHost/212.15.83.254) Crazy how different opinions can be! Of the 60 pageants I've seen, I'd rank her as the 58th 1RU. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 15:35:33 01/18/26 Sun (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Wow. Care to elaborate on why? (NT) -- No name, 22:12:02 01/19/26 Mon (NoHost/172.56.64.164) I thought she was average across the board. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 21:47:43 01/21/26 Wed (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Crystal Lee (NT) -- No name, 21:36:28 01/16/26 Fri (wkt-bband-152-38-106-90.wk.net/152.38.106.90) Lauren Bradford, Michelle Warren, Paige Phillips, Cullen Johnson, Alyse Eddy (NT) -- No name, 21:43:57 01/16/26 Fri (207.sub-174-212-41.myvzw.com/174.212.41.207) Lauren Bradford may have nailed her Miss America interview, but her talent was horendous. Even after having a second chance to perform it, it still amazes me that she placed that high. (NT) -- No name, 19:30:29 01/19/26 Mon (184-97-57-142.lcrs.centurylink.net/184.97.57.142) (1967) Charlene Dallas, (1987) Julianne Smith, (1988) Patricia Brant, (2006) Monica Pang, (2017) Rachel Wyatt. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 23:12:24 01/16/26 Fri (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Charlene Dallas, Judy Heike, Karen Herd, Abbie Rabine. (NT) -- No name., 01:59:34 01/17/26 Sat (226.sub-97-190-55.myvzw.com/97.190.55.226) Betty Thompson -- Fan, 17:39:55 01/17/26 Sat (NoHost/172.59.124.35) Catherine Ann Lemkau (NT) -- No name, 08:22:32 01/18/26 Sun (pool-141-151-23-6.phlapa.fios.verizon.net/141.151.23.6) Two California beauties who interestingly did not win their state pageants: Charlene Dallas and Lucianne Buchanan. (NT) -- California girls, 22:18:05 01/18/26 Sun (c-76-106-49-125.hsd1.md.comcast.net/76.106.49.125) Bridget Oei & Michelle Warren (NT) -- No name, 18:24:56 01/19/26 Mon (47-164-102-138.bng03.wtrb.ct.frontiernet.net/47.164.102.138) Conndďie Dorn (72) Susan Lawrence (75) Michelle Warren (98) Kelli Bradshaw (99) (NT) -- No name, 04:37:36 01/20/26 Tue (124.sub-174-247-0.myvzw.com/174.247.0.124) Crystal Lee (CA), Ellie Breaux (TX), Ali Rogers (SC), Annette Addo-Yobo (TX) (NT) -- No name, 09:30:00 01/22/26 Thu (NoHost/12.233.34.186) I don't know anyone who was as happy to be named first runner-up as Marisol Montalvo. I think Marisol wanted to get as much scholarship dollars as possible without having to serve as Miss America. And she did with her first runner-up placement and preliminary talent award. Already an opera singer, I don't think Marisol wanted to loose momentum she already built up for her eventual successful career. (NT) -- No name, 20:59:56 01/22/26 Thu (NoHost/162.10.197.194) Another was Kelli Bradshaw. I really don't think she wanted to be Miss America but wanted to get as close as she could. (NT) -- No name, 00:31:48 01/23/26 Fri (254.sub-174-210-67.myvzw.com/174.210.67.254) I agree. I did not know Kelli but I chatted with her briefly at the afterglow that night and she seemed almost delirious to have been first runner-up. (NT) -- No name, 10:24:20 01/23/26 Fri (216-24-92-182.unassigned.ntelos.net/216.24.92.182) Marisol was an incredible talent, but, in my opinion, that was all she had going. I preferred Mary Allison Hurdle and Soncee Brown over Sapp and Montalvo. I also would have had Soyoung Kwan in the top 5. (NT) -- No name, 11:38:57 01/23/26 Fri (c-98-220-13-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net/98.220.13.180) Marisol did an interview afterwards and said that she was only there for the $ because she wanted to win as much scholarship as she could without being Miss America because she wanted to perform on Broadway. I believe she accomplished both (NT) -- No name, 13:21:08 01/23/26 Fri (NoHost/169.156.15.204) She wasn't really a pretty girl. There was a certain hard quality about her. No wonder the attitude. (NT) -- no name, 00:01:40 01/27/26 Tue (226.sub-97-190-55.myvzw.com/97.190.55.226) Attitude? She used the system for what it is intended to be, a source of scholarships. Not everyone who enters this thing, wants the crown at the end. (NT) -- No name, 03:09:51 01/27/26 Tue (c-73-152-253-5.hsd1.va.comcast.net/73.152.253.5) Rachel Wyatt though I don't think anyone was more relieved that night when she was called RU. She remains the only OT winner to come that close to winning MA. (NT) -- ureka smoke, 08:32:51 01/28/26 Wed (ip68-100-118-42.dc.dc.cox.net/68.100.118.42) Alyse Eady. Should have won. (NT) -- No name, 11:05:28 01/28/26 Wed (NoHost/216.125.37.210) Melissa Bradley -- No name, 13:47:44 01/28/26 Wed (NoHost/155.190.9.5) She stole our hearts! (NT) -- No name, 15:09:33 01/28/26 Wed (NoHost/216.125.37.210) Shade.... (NT) -- No name, 11:40:30 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Did she really steal? It seems as if she got off with it and this was never actually proven? How did she even win the Miss Ohio title if this were true? (NT) -- No name, 01:50:27 01/30/26 Fri (NoHost/172.56.64.164) You can hear the audible disappointment when Kathy Manning is called second runnerup. That was a tough year. Sharlene was way ahead of her counterparts in maturity, bilingual and very talented. Melissa probable had the underdog vote because of the bad press, Kathy was gorgeous and charming and Tamara was gorgeous too. (NT) -- No name, 13:35:36 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/212.15.84.120) Yes, Manning was gorgeous, but so was every Miss Mississippi. And I have that on good authority because Suzanne Sugarbaker said so! She said, very emphatically " You will never see a homely Miss Mississippi!" So, there you have it. The Gospel According to Suzanne. (NT) -- No name, 15:29:19 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) I thought Bradley was trying to copy Debbie Maffett’s style. Texas had the misfortune of being put in another dated looking dress B. Don picked also her and KY were the computer picks to win which more times than not doomed a contestant. That was a year where the top 5 were the best of the top 10 with the exception of Mary Ann Farrell. Maryline Blackburn Miss Alaska should’ve made it in over Miss Hawaii or Miss Tennessee (NT) -- No name, 23:45:22 01/29/26 Thu (ip98-162-249-128.ok.ok.cox.net/98.162.249.128)

Subject: Does everyone who disliked the pageant being in AC enjoy it more now?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:07:35 01/19/26 Mon (75.97.137.92.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net/75.97.137.92) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I have been of the mindset that Atlantic City is a sewer pit and they rolled up the welcome mat to Miss America back in 2001/2002. It should never go back there. The current situation is just o.k. The theater is in downtown Orlando, which is a dead downtown. And all of the pageant activities take place out by Universal, which is 12 to 15 miles away. It is not logistically tight and still needs work. (NT) -- No name, 10:50:34 01/20/26 Tue (NoHost/159.100.209.51) Orlando is a "dead downtown." Spoken like a true tourist who does not live there. Downtown Orlando has many nightclubs and restaurants which are open until 2AM. There are also numerous hotels close to the pageant venue - some of which are far more affordable than the theme park hotels. If the pageant remains in Orlando, I encourage the leadership to explore the downtown hotels as options for the host hotel. If the pageant was headquartered downtown, attendees could walk to the theatre and save money by not having to drive or uber to the theatre. (NT) -- No name, 05:44:45 01/25/26 Sun (syn-072-188-218-067.res.spectrum.com/72.188.218.67) And how many pageant people are hitting the clubs at 2:00 a.m? I stay by the auditorium when I go to Miss America and not out by the theme parks. I also travel extensively for my job to major cities around the U.S. and Europe. In my opinion, Orlando is a sleepy city. You are welcomed to your opinion and I am welcomed to mine. ;) (NT) -- No name, 10:57:25 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/159.100.209.51) the venue needs to be larger and the tickets more affordable. (NT) -- No name, 11:04:04 01/20/26 Tue (24-230-142-219-dynamic.midco.net/24.230.142.219) I hated when they moved out of Boardwalk Hall, but for me the pageant turned out to be at its very best in Vegas and going back to AC was a terrible mistake. As far as Orlando is concerned, from a for-profit business perspective, it's a smart location. (NT) -- IMHO, 13:35:29 01/21/26 Wed (NoHost/172.59.226.6) I would like to see someone to show how over the years how much the ticket prices escalated. from AC to CT, they went way up and then in FL they are outrageous. The costs are completely out of control for families and friends to attend (NT) -- No name, 22:00:57 01/21/26 Wed (syn-076-032-018-149.res.spectrum.com/76.32.18.149) Sweetheart, Let's not play dumb. We are MAO pageant families and we got MONEY. We will GLADLY pay extra to keep our girls out the ghettolicious areas. This is a once-in-a-lifetime pageant, not a budget Greyhound stop. My gurl is fully beat, fully booked, and fully expensive. She is not coming all this way for tired cities and zero glam. If it don't give luxury, it don't give crown, Babi gurl. Book better or expect noise! (NT) -- No name, 00:13:59 01/22/26 Thu (107-179-250-147.cpe.teksavvy.com/107.179.250.147) That's cute, but you are limiting the audience to rich people who are supporting their tribe. The idea is to expand the audience.The crowd in Convention Hall wasn't just friends, family and sorority sisters. It was America, and so was the TV audience. IMHO, Miss Tri Delta should have its own pageant and allow plebians to enjoy the national pageant. Carry on. (NT) -- No name, 13:58:05 01/22/26 Thu (NoHost/163.116.254.48) Really? Not every family in the system comes from money. There are actually girls in the system who are using the scholarships to pay their way through school. I'm glad you are well off but that does not mean everyone is. (NT) -- No name, 12:07:55 01/23/26 Fri (NoHost/170.211.119.130) And if being well off means talking like a low-class pimp, no thank you (NT) -- No name, 14:30:18 01/23/26 Fri (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) scholarships if you are in school are the only ones offered (NT) -- No name, 00:22:50 01/24/26 Sat (syn-076-032-018-149.res.spectrum.com/76.32.18.149) It's interesting that you don't want your "gurl" in the ghetto when you sound like you were raised in the ghetto. Trashy, low-rent troll (NT) -- No name, 14:29:15 01/23/26 Fri (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) Am I the only one that believes that pageant's locations should be more BOLD, more OUT THERE and have more PIZZAAZ. AC to put it mildly is way, WAY past its prime... especially beond tge casino area. Do we want our gurls to compete in a ghetto? Granted, it's a bit better comparing to Camden, NJ or Englewood, Chicago. But imagine, I win my local title, I am engaged in charities and then, they tell me to comlete fir national MAO title in Jackson, Mississippi or East St Louis, Illinois! ROFL And then peoplecwonder why numbers are down. We need exciting, TRENDY locations. Sundance, Utah, Telluride Colorado, Carmel by the Sea or Santa Barbara, Cali! And why not a Miss America abroad in trendy Guanacastevir around Arental Volcano in Costa Rica or in Aruba! (NT) -- No name, 23:38:00 01/21/26 Wed (107-179-250-147.cpe.teksavvy.com/107.179.250.147) Palm Springs, CA would be amazing (NT) -- No name, 12:44:18 01/22/26 Thu (NoHost/69.250.36.194) Because it is Miss America, Duh. If you want that move over to Miss USA and take your snobbery with you. (NT) -- No name, 12:11:32 01/23/26 Fri (NoHost/170.211.119.130) Yes, you're the only one. Telluride, CO or nowheresville, UT is not trendy just because some influencer tells you it is (NT) -- No name, 14:31:43 01/23/26 Fri (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) Telluride and Sundance “not trendy”? That’s adorable... especially coming from someone confidently weighing in while surrounded by lawn furniture that’s never seen a patio. Those towns don’t chase trends. They exist above them. They’re the kind of places that don’t need your approval because they’ve already outlasted three of your favorite hot takes. Babi sweetheart, when you’re calling mountain towns irrelevant from a trailer trash vantage point, maybe the issue isn’t the towns. Babi sweetheart. (NT) -- No name, 17:29:29 01/28/26 Wed (107-179-250-147.cpe.teksavvy.com/107.179.250.147) I still wish they would rotate it between 3-5 major cities. Then sponsors might actually donate something if they only have to do it on a cycle. (NT) -- many major organizations do this for their national conventions., 17:35:10 01/28/26 Wed (24-230-142-219-dynamic.midco.net/24.230.142.219)

Subject: Was swimsuit winner ever announced during finals night? If Miss New York who won Miss America was not a preliminary winners what do they mean she won swimsuit?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:13:15 01/26/26 Mon (75.97.137.92.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net/75.97.137.92) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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There has not been a swimsuit catagory since Cara won (NT) -- No name, 11:35:56 01/26/26 Mon (NoHost/71.237.132.155) This is when Mallory won. It was posted that Mallory won swimsuit but do they mean at finals? (NT) -- d..., 22:46:20 01/26/26 Mon (17.sub-174-219-50.myvzw.com/174.219.50.17) I have the same question. Mallory was not a swimsuit winner in the prelims. And i do not recall any announcements of category winners on finals night. (NT) -- No name, 17:58:05 01/27/26 Tue (NoHost/159.100.209.51) Miss America 2013 pageant is on YouTube. Go to 40:45 at this link: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=miss+america+2013&&mid=BEFE9A1FCCFCA74B6F2BBEFE9A1FCCFCA74B6F2B&FORM=VRDGAR (NT) -- No name, 19:34:55 01/27/26 Tue (c-73-206-250-152.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/73.206.250.152)

Subject: Why was it an issue?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:19:12 01/24/26 Sat (NoHost/172.56.33.184) Why did some people raise an eyebrow to winners and contestants that said they only entered Miss America because they wanted the scholarship money. I think it really started back in 1973 when Rebecca King showed no emotion when she won. She clearly stated that she was in it for the $ yet some people didn't like that and I was just wonder why. After all it was and or is just that...a scholarship program..just an observation [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Because I think up to that point people were caught up in the whole fairy tale aspect of the pageant. It was like throwing a cold bucket of water on the fantasy. Face it, would we all have been as invested in Cinderella if she had said her main reason for wanting to go to the ball was to get out of a few hours of housework and hook up with some hot royal guy? Probably not...... (NT) -- No name, 00:51:22 01/25/26 Sun (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194) The fantasy was dying when women burned their bras; they sought to be doctors and lawyers; and they bought Cosmo and Playgirl magazines. I remember how competitive the business world was for women back then. (NT) -- No name, 15:16:07 01/27/26 Tue (syn-174-100-040-048.res.spectrum.com/174.100.40.48) I think a lot of the ladies were in it for the scholarships but Rebecca was the first to say so (NT) -- No name, 01:11:43 01/25/26 Sun (177.sub-174-227-69.myvzw.com/174.227.69.177) Her win was also controversial since she advocated for the legalization of marijunaa (NT) -- No name, 23:13:00 01/25/26 Sun (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) Kind of ironic that after she became a judge, she probably sent people to jail for it, lol. (NT) -- No name, 13:22:26 01/26/26 Mon (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194) That would be kind of weird to be sentenced to prison by a former Miss America. If I were the convict, in my closing statement before sentencing, I would say " Madam Judge.....you were my choice that night. Thank you " (NT) -- No name, 13:24:38 01/26/26 Mon (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194)

Subject: Most changed contestant from state to national pageant? Wardrobe wise at least.
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:28:38 01/25/26 Sun (75.97.137.92.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net/75.97.137.92) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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For Virginia, that would have to be Julianne Smith. When she won state, she was the cute girl-next-door type. By Miss America, she was more glamorous. She could also from what I recall fit into this discussion of first runners-up who were quite happy with that placement. (NT) -- No name, 09:57:18 01/25/26 Sun (216-24-92-182.unassigned.ntelos.net/216.24.92.182) What year did she go to MAo? (NT) -- No name, 20:33:18 01/25/26 Sun (243.sub-174-221-148.myvzw.com/174.221.148.243) 86, Kellye Cashs year. (NT) -- No name, 23:02:22 01/25/26 Sun (syn-075-082-032-207.res.spectrum.com/75.82.32.207) thank you (NT) -- No name, 00:53:26 01/27/26 Tue (syn-198-072-213-064.res.spectrum.com/198.72.213.64) LOVE Julianne Smith, wanted her to win the whole thing. She was fantastic in every onstage portion of the pageant, better than Cash in my opinion. I imagine interview pushed Cash into the winners circle, but I would much rather have had Smith as the winner that night. (NT) -- No name, 03:15:02 01/27/26 Tue (c-73-152-253-5.hsd1.va.comcast.net/73.152.253.5)

Subject: State predictions?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:03:21 01/25/26 Sun (67-6-18-227.clma.centurylink.net/67.6.18.227) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Texas has all four runner ups returning, plus many of the top ten. Two are former state teens and another took over the state title after CO won Miss A.. (NT) -- Given TX has had 1st r/u at Miss A the past 3 years, can’t imagine the pressure!, 21:23:24 01/25/26 Sun (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) All eyes on TEXAS! (NT) -- No name, 22:57:22 01/25/26 Sun (ec2-18-88-0-238.compute-1.amazonaws.com/18.88.0.238) From what’s there it doesn’t look like TX has any real contenders this year so the streak at nationals may end (NT) -- No name, 01:04:04 01/26/26 Mon (NoHost/172.56.64.164) I'm a proud supporter of the Miss Texas Organization and am stunned (in a good way, of course) at our three consecutive first runner-up placements. Surely, I think, that cannot continue...but then I look at three state wins by Miss New York and in the 1980s, Texas USA winning Miss USA five consecutive years, so anything is possible. All the returnees that you referenced are quality young ladies, intelligent and competitive, so I wouldn't count any one of them out from winning the state title. And, there are a couple of newcomers who could come in and take it all. It's going to be a great pageant week at Miss Texas. (NT) -- No name, 12:29:13 01/26/26 Mon (syn-076-185-104-044.res.spectrum.com/76.185.104.44) Texas has a small class this year it seems. Some locals didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t even crown winners. One local was supposed to crown four Miss and four Teens, but ended up crowning only one Miss. (NT) -- The new Dallas County winner is stunning! Background?, 13:54:28 01/26/26 Mon (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117)

Subject: Copyright Issues?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:29:30 01/25/26 Sun (NoHost/172.56.33.184) I'm wondering why I can't find the 2018 pageant when Cara Mund was Crowned. There's only a small clip of the crowning on you tube but, every other full pageant is there. Does anyone know why or where else to look? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I can't find the year Savvy Shields (2017) won either. (NT) -- No name, 14:56:00 01/25/26 Sun (74-112-119-97.static.hrtc.net/74.112.119.97) You tube has segments of the pageant that Shavy won but it's split up. There's nothing like that the following year (NT) -- No name, 08:10:27 01/26/26 Mon (NoHost/172.56.33.184)

Subject: What is the worst experience anyone has had at a pagent that promoted the "sisterhood" but allowed ugly behavior to take place? I was asking because one time an assistant pagent director gave me the wrong time schedule then acted like it was an accident, so I would purposely be late and have less time to get ready. Then they acted like it was "just an accident".I found out after the pagent they had a "favorite girl", her niece by marriage. Total BS.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:39:46 01/04/26 Sun (165.sub-174-219-231.myvzw.com/174.219.231.165) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Something similar happened to me, as I wasn't told that Interview has been moved up. When I arrived at the time I was told, several of the judges had left. The remaining ones interviewed me, telling me that they could adjust their percentages so that I wouldn't be penalized. The only reason I continued is that my best friend was on his way from threeor four hours away to see me compete. It was my first AND LAST pageant. I still made Top 5. (NT) -- No name, 10:00:53 01/05/26 Mon (NoHost/163.116.145.92) that is so against the rules!!! (NT) -- No name, 12:16:18 01/05/26 Mon (24-230-142-219-dynamic.midco.net/24.230.142.219) ......as typical with many posted messages---lack of information. It would have been nice had you said what year, what state, and fare more importantly which pageant system did this happen to you? I can not imagine it was part of Miss America---unless your state does not have field directors which keeps rules and things in accordance to Miss America (and MAO state) pageant operations. Any reputable (and experienced) MAO state field director -- would be working with the local director on what you said took place., 16:25:01 01/08/26 Thu (syn-137-027-094-098.biz.spectrum.com/137.27.94.98) Actually I was going to say the same thing. No clue which pageant this poster was speaking of. And if it was part of Miss America, there should've been better -- coordination between directors, contestant assistants, and field directors., 18:36:27 01/08/26 Thu (NoHost/144.92.78.144) No, this wasn't an MAO pageant, at all. As this doesn't seem to be an MAO pageant board anymore, I didn't feel itnecessary to post specific information. It happened in Houston, TX and my late friend was driving from Austin. I apologize for any confusion. Carry on. (NT) -- No name, 22:06:42 01/08/26 Thu (c-73-206-250-152.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/73.206.250.152) Well, it would be of help had you told which pageant system it was---as if it was MAO program, there would have been the issue of state field directors, where he/shew was and did they do their job, as explained above. By naming some other pageant system with your posting, readers here could likely understand your situation a bit better----it would not make it better for you back when your issue happened -- but telling that story it helps to know which pageant system and what year it happened., 02:26:22 01/09/26 Fri (NoHost/144.92.78.144) This was on me for still competing as I had been friend with the year previous 1RU. The directors reached out to her telling her they planned on her winning to start working on her gown when she said she was competing in another pageant they told her they hoped she lost (I saw the messages myself and still competed) after the teens were crowned I witnessed the director telling another she girl wished she would have won and hated the winner. This was after the director was screaming at girls during tech rehearsal not knowing the producers were still micing everyone (NT) -- No name, 14:35:52 01/05/26 Mon (NoHost/146.75.244.182) What happened in Pennsylvania has to be the worst example. (NT) -- No name, 14:40:34 01/05/26 Mon (NoHost/216.125.37.210) I competed at a local pagent in a small town. The director allowed helpers to monitor the interview time. At that time each contestants was supposed to get 8 minutes. I noticed some contestants were getting interrupted at 7 minutes then I noticed another contestant interview was 14 minutes long. Interview was the first phase of the pagent. Guess who won. My friends and I never did that pagent again. (NT) -- No name, 14:50:53 01/05/26 Mon (S0106d4e2cb4f2e60.lm.shawcable.net/96.52.204.55) I was on a local committee for about 3 years. I was amazed at how the local ED would manipulate things to get the girl she wanted. It was usually a girl with rich parents that would cover the expenses to State. That way she didn't have to fundraise. I left after getting fed up with the way she operated. (NT) -- No name, 00:39:54 01/06/26 Tue (80.sub-174-238-98.myvzw.com/174.238.98.80) I judged a small-town high school pageant once that had no connection to MAO. But two of us were MAO local directors at the time. The director of this pageant told us in advance that they did not want a certain contestant to win, and of course she named her, because of certain "behaviors" she exhibited. in school. The other judge and I talked privately and said that we would ignore her information and judge all the girls fairly. The situation worked out OK because the one in question was strong in interview but did not measure up in the onstage competitions. I think she finished second or third runner-up. (NT) -- No name, 09:12:42 01/06/26 Tue (216-24-92-182.unassigned.ntelos.net/216.24.92.182) Employees of public schools in my district are not allowed to share information about the behavior of students outside official means. I would have walked away from that pageant in a heartbeat. What did this director share about other public school students? I wouldn't have said the situation worked out okay. The bias was against this girl. You may have felt principled, but what about the other judges? What if the girl's parents take legal action because of the director's comments? Are you insulated? This would have been a no-go for me. (NT) -- No name, 18:46:48 01/06/26 Tue (syn-174-100-040-048.res.spectrum.com/174.100.40.48) Name names. Let’s make 2026 the year injustices are called out on the local, state & national levels (NT) -- No name, 11:14:14 01/06/26 Tue (NoHost/65.242.102.15) Hear, hear! My friend asked me to judge a county fair pageant alongside her. Categories were basically Interview, Evening Gown and Top 5 Q&A. We were shocked by the second r-up but apparently she was the pre-picked winner, we just didn't know. To us, she was blah. The winner was our favorite, a girl nobody saw coming, but to us the obvious best. They didn't do a very good job of rigging the pageant that year, as we also left, out of the Top 5, a girl whose parents PAID FOR the crown. (NT) -- No name, 21:12:57 01/06/26 Tue (c-73-206-250-152.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/73.206.250.152) A state USA pageant in 2008 or 2009. We had to get our wardrobe approved. Guess who approved it? The former queen from 2008 who was also a pageant coach to many girls competing. I was not one of those girls and she refused to my gown. I spent 10 grand on my gown. I was able to have it altered but it looked like shit. (NT) -- ., 13:25:40 01/06/26 Tue (c-67-161-101-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net/67.161.101.232) She obviously sent her "girls" to a specific shop and got a kick back. I would have told the alterations person to just baste the changes in, get her approval, then remove the stitches before I went onstage. Then what's she gonna do? (NT) -- No name, 13:58:41 01/06/26 Tue (77.sub-174-238-107.myvzw.com/174.238.107.77) It wasn't a gown shop issue. It was the WA state USA directors allowing that former to be a coach, approve gowns, be backstage, etc. That former was a nightmare for years to reigning queens and contestants she didn't like. The state director allowed it to happen. (NT) -- I also saw it first hand., 09:20:29 01/18/26 Sun (NoHost/76.146.55.90) I would like to see a discussion on Pageant Mothers from Hell and what Directors had to deal with (NT) -- No name, 18:46:50 01/06/26 Tue (syn-076-032-018-149.res.spectrum.com/76.32.18.149) add to it difficult titleholders… (NT) -- No name, 09:56:00 01/07/26 Wed (NoHost/108.147.32.135) MAOT state contestant was obviously aged out. Had to be reported for the director to finally remove her. Also, girl who ended up winning same pageant entered at large after registration closed. She won the whole thing. This was a southern state in 2009. (NT) -- No name, 21:57:49 01/06/26 Tue (wkt-bband-152-38-106-90.wk.net/152.38.106.90) Beauties of America Pageant in Myrtle Beach -- No name, 01:14:00 01/07/26 Wed (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) I aways thought BOA was a cheese-fest. (NT) -- No name, 08:49:52 01/08/26 Thu (NoHost/69.250.36.194) Why? I thought it was top tier for multi age pageant . Sad that it does not seem to still be around (NT) -- No name, 13:04:55 01/08/26 Thu (66-90-170-243.static.grandenetworks.net/66.90.170.243) I emailed my friend and she didn't respond in regards to the BOA status. Not sure if I would like to see this pageant come back (NT) -- No name, 00:06:50 01/10/26 Sat (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) I judged a pageant that had various age divisions toddler thru teen. The scoring was on a 1 to 10 scale but the director told us not to score anyone below a 5. How can you judge fairly when your arm is twisted like that?!? (NT) -- No name, 01:26:07 01/07/26 Wed (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) Yup, been there. I used the entire scale, as warranted. I was never asked to return, and that was just fine by me! (NT) -- No name, 16:36:15 01/07/26 Wed (syn-076-176-242-118.res.spectrum.com/76.176.242.118) IMHO that was cruel and short-sighted. What did you accomplish by giving someone a 1 or 2 or 4 when giving them a 5 or 6 wouldn't have changed the result of who won. A 5 or 6 would have encouraged them to come back and work harder. Some "judges" shouldn't be asked back because the "power" goes to their head haha You aren't on a jury deciding the fate of the world, you are simply being asked to give your opinion about children in a pageant. Carry on. (NT) -- No name, 17:51:39 01/07/26 Wed (c-73-206-250-152.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/73.206.250.152) Girls never see their scores in the MAO, so a judge that scores 1- 10 isn't hurting feelings but judging precisely. (NT) -- No name, 21:13:52 01/07/26 Wed (unn-149-40-50-110.datapacket.com/149.40.50.110) Dear Carry On- I pray you never have and never will judge. (NT) -- No name, 08:26:18 01/08/26 Thu (NoHost/63.93.32.130) In my state a local director was asked to judge and she gave every girl either a 7 or and 8. Ridiculous!! She said she prefereed the other judges "decide." and couldnt bear to go lower. (NT) -- Thats one that should never judge!, 10:43:55 01/08/26 Thu (ec2-44-204-198-148.compute-1.amazonaws.com/44.204.198.148) Despite being charged to use scores from 1-10. Despite promising to judge fairly. Despite being asked to JUDGE! What a nut job. So unfair. That's how girls get crowned that shouldn't be. The "I can't judge" judge gives them 7's & 8's in everything, an unqualified girl wins, the other girls are pissed, & the non-judge judge ruins her local girl's competition! (NT) -- No name, 08:47:27 01/13/26 Tue (NoHost/104.28.104.79) I think whatever happened in PA this last year shows that standards no longer exist. I almost wish the clapper who won had succeeded at MA, just so the truth could haver been spoken. (NT) -- No name, 02:06:01 01/24/26 Sat (133-111-106-149.in-addr.arpa.pulsefiber.org/149.106.111.133) She did seem to be a bit like Trump.....Teflon coated. No one could make anything stick to her. (NT) -- No name, 14:16:38 01/24/26 Sat (194.sub-174-238-105.myvzw.com/174.238.105.194)

Subject: How was the lighting approved for the year that the baron twirled I think it was Miss Missouri twirled and you could hardly see what she was doing?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:29:57 01/19/26 Mon (75.97.137.92.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net/75.97.137.92) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Having had two twirlers, they can better see the baton coming at them if spot lights are off. Most request that they are turned off. While it is harder for you the audience to see its better them to make the catch (NT) -- No name, 00:03:50 01/20/26 Tue (ec2-13-220-169-142.compute-1.amazonaws.com/13.220.169.142) That entire pageant was a disaster! Just awful in every way! (NT) -- No name, 22:31:55 01/23/26 Fri (syn-070-113-128-069.res.spectrum.com/70.113.128.69)

Subject: Can a Local Director refuse to let a girl enter their pageant due to past behavior that was unacceptable?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:22:40 01/14/26 Wed (syn-076-032-018-149.res.spectrum.com/76.32.18.149) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Such a great question. Was her bad behavior to you? If so, I know I wouldn't want to deal with a problem for a year, but if she just has a bad reputation, have a conversation with her and tell her you will walk away leaving her to figure out everything on her own if you both cannot get along. I had a girl come to me with a lot of baggage from other pageants. I gave her the benefit of the doubt and we truly had a lovely year together. We had such a bond. (NT) -- I always say, God brought them to you for a reason., 01:18:40 01/15/26 Thu (ec2-54-162-168-3.compute-1.amazonaws.com/54.162.168.3) No you cannot (NT) -- No name, 08:02:22 01/15/26 Thu (220.sub-174-230-7.myvzw.com/174.230.7.220) There's always two sides to every story. Sometimes people get a bad reputation just for speaking up for themselves. Now, if she has a history of bar fights and running over people with her car.....well, that's another story and should be examined more closely. (NT) -- No name, 18:06:51 01/15/26 Thu (80.sub-174-238-98.myvzw.com/174.238.98.80) Pennsylvania should have not let the current winner participate since she has a history of bullying (NT) -- No name, 18:25:36 01/15/26 Thu (251.sub-174-227-67.myvzw.com/174.227.67.251) It isn't always 2 sides though. If a girl is posting about getting high and worried that she is pregnant then she is giving herself a reputation. She is also putting an image out there that does not fit with Miss America and being a role model. (NT) -- No name, 12:00:39 01/23/26 Fri (NoHost/170.211.119.130) How about a future contestant whose Mother Bullied another contestant on Facebook during a competition, there are screen shots of the bullying (NT) -- No name, 00:23:04 01/16/26 Fri (syn-076-032-018-149.res.spectrum.com/76.32.18.149) I think they should have a Hunger Games for pageant moms (NT) -- No name, 04:39:40 01/16/26 Fri (159.sub-174-238-96.myvzw.com/174.238.96.159) Girls shouldn't be held responsible for her mother's behavior (NT) -- No name, 20:00:29 01/19/26 Mon (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) But they are, since it's a package deal. No director wants a pushy, problematic family all year. (NT) -- No name, 13:14:47 01/20/26 Tue (a172-225-30-235.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com/172.225.30.235) Have you had the alleged screenshots verified by someone with a technical degree in the field? The reason why is because sometimes people have made up allegations. They make fake social media accounts or have a friend do it and than accuse their targets of this type of behavior. It's not always what it seems and there is 3 sides to every story. My question is did anyone make a Police Report? Did anyone go to police and ask them to investigate the allegations? Has anyone in authority even questioned the person being accused? To make these allegations and not go to the police, makes me question the alleged allegations of " online bullying from an adult". This is serious to accuse someone of it, without any proof. (NT) -- No name, 22:22:44 01/20/26 Tue (unn-79-127-222-154.datapacket.com/79.127.222.154) as soon as the mother posted the bullying on Facebook, over 20 people saw it online and made screen shots. The mother made threats to a contestant and her mother, wanting her to meet her in the parking lot of the hotel so she could confront and possible strke her, it was all in the facebook post. This was sent to the Facebook Police to have the mother kicked off of facebook, and facebook never investigate. Robin talked of banning the mother from attending future competitions but never followed through. All the information at screen shots were sent to miss america (NT) -- No name, 00:04:50 01/21/26 Wed (syn-076-032-018-149.res.spectrum.com/76.32.18.149) Why wasn't that reported to the Police in the city the alleged mother's residence? Without a police report and an actual investigation by police. It's a little suspect, I don't know. Call the police and make a report. (NT) -- No name, 19:22:51 01/21/26 Wed (unn-79-127-147-210.datapacket.com/79.127.147.210) In general, local orgs. Have very little say with anything. They must tow the rope on the whims of what their state orgs want and the national office. There is almost no protection for local orgs. (NT) -- No name, 07:11:28 01/20/26 Tue (NoHost/107.127.42.48) Yes! It happened about 15 years ago. There was a girl that had a reputation for writing bad checks to directors for entry fees. She was banned from several pageants as word got around what she was doing (NT) -- No name, 12:12:39 01/20/26 Tue (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) I remember a contestant, perhaps in the early 2000's, from Ohio that was not allowed to compete in locals after dropping out of several locals. Not sure if it was the same local season or the next year. I believe she was a seasoned contestant and had been to Miss Ohio before. (NT) -- No name, 17:52:23 01/20/26 Tue (c-76-134-66-218.hsd1.ar.comcast.net/76.134.66.218) Wasn't Erika Dunlap pretty much blackballed in FL. This may just be a rumor, but I heard she dropped out of a local at the last minute causing them not to be able to award a title because it put them below the minimum. As I said, maybe that's just a rumor. But I do know that she and Mary Sullivan were not on the greatest terms. Maybe that was why? 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Subject: Miss New Hampshire America 100 days away
Author: 6hdhwia613974xxJAZ [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:31:12 01/19/26 Mon (163-252-201-237.mnchnh.fidium.ccidns.net/163.252.201.237) Thoughts? One of the first Miss and Teen competitions in the country for Miss America 2027, and a historically competitive state.Iâ€™m seeing girls post 100 days away posts. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Is there a consolidated list of contestants somewhere? (NT) -- No name, 19:52:33 01/19/26 Mon (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) Competitive, how? (NT) -- No name, 20:47:25 01/19/26 Mon (NoHost/12.208.205.11) New Hampshire has always had over two dozen local competitions, which offer substantial scholarship winnings. The state scholarship foundation then awards over $100,000 at the state pageant annually. Many contestants return year after year; not so much to win the crown, but to gain scholarship money and improve their presentations and skills for use in the future. It isn't just about the best look or the best talent. (NT) -- No name, 15:32:29 01/21/26 Wed (syn-174-100-040-048.res.spectrum.com/174.100.40.48) Have you ever actually seen the Miss NH pageant? I travel to a lot of the pageants in the northeast and Miss NH is consistently competitive in all phases of competition. They have something like 27 locals. In recent years, Miss NH has been more competitive and a better show than Miss NY, despite NY having two or three super strong contestants. Take this year for example, the top 2 in NY were really good. The original 2nd RU on the night of the pageant was also okay, but not in the same category as the top 2. Then you get to the 3rd RU (who ultimately took over the state title) and she'd have difficulty winning a local in a southern state. This has been the trend with NY and several other states, unfortunately. NH is still the best state pageant in the northeast (NT) -- No name, 09:13:26 01/23/26 Fri (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82)

Subject: Any news on when the Miss USA state pageant starts? Which state is the first?
Author: Lee Rogers [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:17:57 01/19/26 Mon (NoHost/190.140.23.130) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Not sure. I'm surprised some directors, like Vanbros, don't have dates yet. Thom posted something on IG about the dates coming out in a few weeks to months, and it sounds like they may be doing open casting calls with states that don't have directors again. (NT) -- No name, 15:32:38 01/21/26 Wed (NoHost/167.187.101.222)

Subject: Has It Ever Really Happened
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:42:24 01/16/26 Fri (NoHost/169.156.15.222) Does anyone have first hand knowledge of back stage sabotage at any pageant? Rumors fly that some have had their evening gown bags glued shut... those kind of things. I was just wondering at which pageant would that have been more likely . State or national...Teen Or Miss [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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In Kentucky in 2012 a someone took a black magic marker to someones swimsuit (NT) -- No name, 14:01:34 01/16/26 Fri (NoHost/128.163.239.165) Teen nationals in 2008 or 2009, fitness shorts were stolen, a contestant's jazz shoe was tampered with and she ended up slipping/falling during rehearsal and ended up in a boot (NT) -- No name, 14:10:25 01/16/26 Fri (NoHost/107.123.17.55) Not MAO but Christy Woods stepped on someone’s hand in rehearsal and when she was in teen 06 (NT) -- No name, 18:50:03 01/16/26 Fri (239.sub-174-227-73.myvzw.com/174.227.73.239) Christy Woods was in Teen USA 96, not 06 (NT) -- No name, 19:57:38 01/19/26 Mon (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) I was a contestant in a local in 2008 or so when another contestant’s pointe shoe ribbons were cut backstage. Thankfully she had a backup pair ready but I was shocked when it happened. (NT) -- Former, 08:11:03 01/17/26 Sat (NoHost/172.56.212.47) NY 2025. The results being brought backstage while the Top 5 stood waiting (NT) -- No name, 08:41:44 01/17/26 Sat (NoHost/172.56.160.229) At a local in Virginia many years ago (like 30 or more) two contestants were arrested for actually stealing clothes from other contestants. (NT) -- No name, 09:09:50 01/17/26 Sat (216-24-92-182.unassigned.ntelos.net/216.24.92.182) But what does that mean? I'm not sure what you're implying (NT) -- No name, 19:58:09 01/19/26 Mon (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) One girls interview dress was hidden aka stolen prior to their interview. This occurred at a state pageant. Also their was an incident where a contestant was seen rubbing a circle of bronze body spry self tanner on a 4k gown of another contestant. The stain was as big as a basketball, it had to have destroyed the gown. (NT) -- No name, 22:44:05 01/20/26 Tue (unn-79-127-222-154.datapacket.com/79.127.222.154) There have been evening gowns that got cut up in the contestants dressing room. I have also witnessed a contestant "accidentally on purpose" that walked with dirty shoes on a gorgeous light colored gown leaving several dirty footprints on it. There have been reports of contestants finding water, sugar, or other substances that have been placed inside their haircare products. (NT) -- No name, 23:42:42 01/20/26 Tue (NoHost/94.20.222.244)

Subject: Of all Miss America winners (winners only) who were your favorite 1. TALENT. 2. SWIMSUIT 3. EVENING GOWN ? Example: (mine) 1. Talent - Terry Meesuwen 2. Swimsuit - Shirley Cothran 3. Evening Gown - Erika Dunlap
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:40:20 01/11/26 Sun (3.sub-174-238-101.myvzw.com/174.238.101.3) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Great list! Mine might be 1. Talent - Heather Whitestone 2. Swimsuit - Susan Akin 3. Evening Gown - Susan Akin (NT) -- No name, 13:35:35 01/11/26 Sun (c-73-206-250-152.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/73.206.250.152) Talent: Cassie Donegan Swimsuit: Elizabeth Ward Evening Gown: Erica Dunlap (NT) -- fa, 16:07:12 01/11/26 Sun (184-97-57-142.lcrs.centurylink.net/184.97.57.142) Apeaking of Elizabeth Ward, she's judging the Miss Gay America pageant this week in Little Rock, AR. (NT) -- No name, 12:39:47 01/13/26 Tue (NoHost/163.116.254.48) Is she still acting at all? Last photo I saw of her she had cut her hair very short and is blond now. She looks very Jamie Lee Curtisy.. ... (NT) -- No name, 19:26:07 01/14/26 Wed (3.sub-174-238-101.myvzw.com/174.238.101.3) This is hard Heather Whitestone talent Gown Kira ( liked her talent too) (NT) -- No name, 17:36:00 01/11/26 Sun (27.sub-174-221-128.myvzw.com/174.221.128.27) I love the Kira prelim gown. Too bad that year they all had to wear other gowns for finals and the mainstream public didn't get to see this couture type gown. (NT) -- No name, 15:48:32 01/14/26 Wed (c-73-98-223-111.hsd1.ut.comcast.net/73.98.223.111) I was thinking about that dress recently. Is there a way to access a photo.? Why did they have to change? I heard her mom made the finals gown. All I remember about it was it had some kind of pointy witchy looking shoulders. (NT) -- No name, 19:30:02 01/14/26 Wed (3.sub-174-238-101.myvzw.com/174.238.101.3) This was a year a deal was made and one designer made all the gowns as requested by the contestant. Some ended up getting off the rack versions though. Kira's finals gown was like the one her mom made for NY, but that one was green and she was crowned in a white version. Here is a pic of the prelim gown. https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/kira-kazantsev-miss-new-york-in-evening-gown-at-atlantic-news-photo/455301086 (NT) -- No name, 17:50:02 01/15/26 Thu (c-73-98-223-111.hsd1.ut.comcast.net/73.98.223.111) Talent: Vanessa and Marjorie; Swim: Angela; Gown: Vanessa (both competition and crowning gowns were so high fashion) (NT) -- Sonia, 09:22:57 01/15/26 Thu (ool-182f1de3.dyn.optonline.net/24.47.29.227) I think my Talent is Leanza. Gown, so, so many but Kim Aiken stands out. Swim I'd have to think about. (NT) -- No name, 18:30:07 01/11/26 Sun (syn-075-082-032-207.res.spectrum.com/75.82.32.207) Talent, Vanessa; Swimsuit, Kaye Lani; and EG, Elizabeth. (NT) -- No name, 21:37:33 01/11/26 Sun (NoHost/212.15.83.93) Talent: Dorothy Benham: Gown: Heather French; Swimsuit: so many but I'll go with Debra Maffet (NT) -- No name, 23:48:19 01/11/26 Sun (174-20-188-207.mpls.qwest.net/174.20.188.207) My range covers 60 years (1959-2018). TALENT- Judith Ford. SWIMSUIT- Heather French. GOWN- Shirley Cothran. (NT) -- fun topic. Narrowing down to 1 each was hard!, 00:26:34 01/12/26 Mon (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Wow, even Heather French was surprised with her swimsuit win. (NT) -- No name, 01:17:40 01/12/26 Mon (184-97-57-142.lcrs.centurylink.net/184.97.57.142) That's either a lie, or it was false modesty. She looked objectively fantastic. weird fight to pick for no reason. pic here: https://www.google.com/search?q=heather+french+swimsuit&oq=heather+french+swimsuit&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIICAEQABgWGB4yCggCEAAYogQYiQUyBwgDEAAY7wUyCggEEAAYgAQYogQyBwgFEAAY7wUyCggGEAAYgAQYogTSAQgzMjMxajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sv=CAMSZxowKg41UnN4TGVKNFJxdHg1TTIONVJzeExlSjRScXR4NU06DlEwVVl0WjM4UGpmNU9NIAQqLwobX3ZiVmthZDc4SW9TM3F0c1BySTJNLVFZXzgwEg41UnN4TGVKNFJxdHg1TRgAMAEYByC94ZqWDDACSgoIAhACGAIgAigC (NT) -- ?, 03:52:16 01/12/26 Mon (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Heather has said many times she was shocked with her win. She never won swimsuit at state the entire 6 years she competed. (NT) -- No name, 15:11:11 01/12/26 Mon (NoHost/128.163.239.165) Well, not sure if you've heard, but women train for Miss America. (NT) -- 'Wow', as if someone choosing a body that looks like this is inconceivable to you. People are WILD., 17:43:46 01/12/26 Mon (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) For the record, I love Heather French. She was definitely my pick that year, especially after the final five INTERVIEW with Marie Osmond. They should have never done away with that final interview. I enjoyed her talent, and her gown was gorgeous. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. I just thought it odd that of all the Miss Americas, she was your favorite in swimsuit, when even Heather was surprised with her swimsuit win. (NT) -- No name, 12:22:12 01/13/26 Tue (184-97-57-142.lcrs.centurylink.net/184.97.57.142) She laughed when they called her name, which surely further endeared her to the judges. (NT) -- No name, 13:21:52 01/13/26 Tue (NoHost/163.116.254.48) Funny....when I cut-pasted that website link a photo of a man in tight underwear or swimsuit showed-up called the Bikini French Heather...lol -- http://www.tof-paris.com/en/underwear-briefs/771-french-bikini-heather-grey.html, 13:16:13 01/14/26 Wed (syn-071-013-148-190.biz.spectrum.com/71.13.148.190) In the era of the interview queen that began around the late '90s, a number of contestants won swimsuit for their first time at Miss America. The category became best interview queen in a swimsuit. (NT) -- No name, 10:21:44 01/13/26 Tue (NoHost/163.116.254.48) Do you think Heather's win was a sympathy win? (NT) -- No name, 19:56:10 01/13/26 Tue (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) Sympathy for what? (NT) -- No name, 20:53:49 01/13/26 Tue (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) Sympathy for her disability-up to that point there had never been a Miss America with a disability (NT) -- No name, 21:39:10 01/13/26 Tue (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) Are you referring to Heather Whitestone? I thought we were commenting about Heather French… (NT) -- Who won swimsuit, 23:03:49 01/13/26 Tue (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) Heather did not need a sympathy win , she deserved the win (NT) -- No name, 16:44:03 01/14/26 Wed (230.sub-174-221-152.myvzw.com/174.221.152.230) On the quality that ballet dance, Heather Whitestone earned the crown. (NT) -- No name, 15:40:24 01/15/26 Thu (syn-174-100-040-048.res.spectrum.com/174.100.40.48) Heather's win was probably the most emotionally charged win in the history of the Miss America program. I've never been a big fan of ballet, but Heather's performance was beautifully executed. I wish I would have been in the audience the night she was crowned. (NT) -- No name, 05:58:38 01/19/26 Mon (184-97-57-142.lcrs.centurylink.net/184.97.57.142) Talent - Dorothy Benham, Swimsuit - Carolyn Sapp and Evening Gown - Kim Aiken. (NT) -- No name, 16:04:00 01/14/26 Wed (NoHost/172.56.85.229) Talent - Susan Powell. Swimsuit - Carolyn Sapp. Gown - Kim Aiken. (NT) -- Ima (Jean) Starall-Reddy, 19:56:53 01/17/26 Sat (NoHost/172.59.88.224) Talent-Cheryl Prewitt SS- Susan Akin EG-Erica Dunlap (NT) -- No name, 23:25:24 01/18/26 Sun (long01cpe14-37.tx.cablelynx.com/206.255.13.37)

Subject: I've noticed among several State Queens the trend of having a goal of having at least one appearance in every county of their respective states. Has there ever been a Miss America that visited all 50 states during her reign? If not, who came the closest?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:50:14 01/04/26 Sun (217.sub-174-210-69.myvzw.com/174.210.69.217) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Not any recent winners (NT) -- No name, 21:04:14 01/04/26 Sun (ip-185-104-139-73.ptr.icomera.net/185.104.139.73) Our state winners loved to talk about visiting all 88 counties in the state. Has NEVER happened since anyone competing now has been alive. (NT) -- No name, 11:41:14 01/06/26 Tue (NoHost/43.225.189.155) 88 Counties, I know where you are from. I have seen the "State Fair" Queen visit all of them by attending all the county fairs, but I doubt Miss State has enough content to get booked at all 88 counties. (NT) -- No name, 19:47:56 01/17/26 Sat (syn-104-230-255-036.res.spectrum.com/104.230.255.36) Also, what’s up with everyone writing a children’s book nowadays? -- No name, 11:42:40 01/06/26 Tue (NoHost/50.228.74.133) It's been like that for a decade. They can self publish on Amazon so it's not the flex they think it is (NT) -- ., 13:18:42 01/06/26 Tue (c-67-161-101-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net/67.161.101.232) Emmie Perkins, Miss Mississippi from a couple of years ago visited all 82 counties in MS doing school programs (NT) -- No name, 16:04:12 01/06/26 Tue (104-8-42-23.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net/104.8.42.23) When Tara Wheeler was Miss Virginia, she had a goal to visit all the counties in the state. I think there are 95 of them. I am not sure if she succeeded, but I know she toured some of deep Southwest Virginia, which is the most difficult part of the state to navigate. (NT) -- No name, 09:52:42 01/08/26 Thu (216-24-92-182.unassigned.ntelos.net/216.24.92.182) Didn't she also shave her head for her platform. I think it had something to do with Cancer Awareness? (NT) -- No name, 16:36:20 01/08/26 Thu (77.sub-174-238-107.myvzw.com/174.238.107.77) She did!!! It was for St. Baldrics. Nancy Lucy would probably lose her mind if one of her Miss Virginia's decided to do that now - more than likely wouldn't even be allowed. (NT) -- No name, 14:50:23 01/13/26 Tue (NoHost/195.252.230.55) I think it is great if they set that goal because it gives them something to strive for. However, it is difficult to get paid appearances in every county so there has to be money for travel and they have to have a reason to go. School visits are the easiest. Most schools will let Miss State come speak to an assembly or classrooms. (NT) -- No name, 10:36:01 01/08/26 Thu (75-144-226-225-Tallahassee.hfc.comcastbusiness.net/75.144.226.225) It is dumb. One lame title holder I know of bragged about visiting every county. She literally drove through and would snap a pic. Stupid and performative. (NT) -- No name, 19:26:21 01/08/26 Thu (ip70-187-0-207.om.om.cox.net/70.187.0.207) I'm pretty sure Jennifer Pitts visited every county when she was Miss Virginia (NT) -- No name, 13:14:45 01/08/26 Thu (NoHost/136.226.50.125) There are 254 counties in TX. (NT) -- No name, 15:50:43 01/08/26 Thu (NoHost/163.116.254.50) Well then Miss Texas needs to stock up on Dramamine! (NT) -- No name, 16:37:21 01/08/26 Thu (77.sub-174-238-107.myvzw.com/174.238.107.77) Since Rhode Island only has 5 counties, that would be easily accomplished. So visiting all 39 cities and towns would probably be a better goal to shoot for. (NT) -- Anon, 19:34:52 01/08/26 Thu (175.sub-174-224-161.myvzw.com/174.224.161.175)

Subject: What was your BEST experience at a pageant (now that we have the "worst experience" thread going.)
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:16:28 01/08/26 Thu (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) Go!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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What happened to the previous post asking the same question? (NT) -- No name, 19:05:54 01/10/26 Sat (141.sub-174-218-222.myvzw.com/174.218.222.141) I am the original poster that asked that same question. What happened to that thread? (NT) -- No name, 20:52:12 01/10/26 Sat (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) All the negative back and forth was deleted. It had nothing to do with the posted topic. (NT) -- Moderator, 21:55:38 01/10/26 Sat (c-76-134-66-218.hsd1.ar.comcast.net/76.134.66.218) Thank you Moderator!! (NT) -- No name, 00:30:20 01/12/26 Mon (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) The Miss contestants were very welcoming to my teen daughter. They encouraged her to keep trying. It took several pageants but she finally won one. (NT) -- they were great role models, 16:54:04 01/13/26 Tue (24-230-142-219-dynamic.midco.net/24.230.142.219) Which pageant was this at? (NT) -- No name, 19:31:34 01/13/26 Tue (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219) I absolutely loved Dream Girls USA. Did that pageant several times. Only issue I had was that you were competing with the younger age divisions for the top placements. (NT) -- No name, 19:36:50 01/13/26 Tue (syn-035-150-243-219.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.219)

Subject: Happy New Year!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:39:56 01/01/26 Thu (tor-exit-156.relayon.org/185.220.101.156) I’m really enjoying Cassie as Miss America! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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So happy to see this board cleared this morning!! Happy New year! (NT) -- No name, 11:06:22 01/01/26 Thu (NoHost/172.56.189.0) I wish you could fix your posts without the symbols. (NT) -- No name, 12:49:51 01/01/26 Thu (NoHost/212.15.84.50) The symbol, comes from the usage of parentheses, it’s a bug in this program. (NT) -- No name, 01:34:07 01/03/26 Sat (c-73-152-253-5.hsd1.va.comcast.net/73.152.253.5) Well then, stop using parentheses. (NT) -- No name, 02:16:36 01/03/26 Sat (217.sub-174-210-69.myvzw.com/174.210.69.217) Do you mean apostrophes? (NT) -- No name, 03:07:43 01/03/26 Sat (syn-075-082-032-207.res.spectrum.com/75.82.32.207) I think Voy has gotten buggy over the past couple of years. Apostrophies, quotes, and many other things seem to kick of a string of symbols now. (NT) -- No name, 17:04:26 01/07/26 Wed (c-24-22-73-219.hsd1.or.comcast.net/24.22.73.219) It's bc ppl are going thru VPNs, which can alter the code of apostrophes. (NT) -- I PREVIEW my post before I post so I can clean anything up., 21:10:50 01/07/26 Wed (static-68-235-46-122.cust.tzulo.com/68.235.46.122)

Subject: I found an old news article from a visit Kate Shindle made to Brown University. There's a quote from another future Miss America.
Author: Anon [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:09:52 01/04/26 Sun (187.sub-174-224-172.myvzw.com/174.224.172.187) https://www.ourmidland.com/news/article/Ex-Miss-America-visits-university-class-on-beauty-6936643.php [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It's blocked. You must have a subscription to read it. It would be lovely if someone wouldn't mind posting the mystery quote/reference. (NT) -- No name, 19:20:15 01/04/26 Sun (172-236-242-14.ip.linodeusercontent.com/172.236.242.14) Not blocked for me, no subscription. Click in for the short quote. -- No name, 20:24:29 01/04/26 Sun (syn-075-082-032-207.res.spectrum.com/75.82.32.207) CLICK-IN: Students read Shindle's book "Being Miss America." They spent more than an hour in a recent class talking about her experience winning the title, the causes she spearheaded and her dealings with pageant leaders. Senior Cara Mund says she's competed in the Miss America system and "it's cool" to see a role model in class. (NT) -- No name, 11:39:47 01/06/26 Tue (unn-45-134-140-140.datapacket.com/45.134.140.140) My favorite part is referring to Cara Mund as someone who previously competed in Miss America. LOL UM SHE WAS MISS AMERICA (NT) -- No name, 14:45:48 01/05/26 Mon (NoHost/216.125.37.210) The quote said Cara had competed in the Miss America system. The timing of the article is from October 2015, a couple of years BEFORE Cara became Miss America. (NT) -- Anon, 15:02:07 01/05/26 Mon (187.sub-174-224-172.myvzw.com/174.224.172.187)

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