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Subject: Miss New Hampshire Predictions
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:19:22 04/02/25 Wed (c-24-63-113-199.hsd1.nh.comcast.net/24.63.113.199) Lots of new faces in New Hampshire this year. Anyone have any predictions? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Can you post the link for the headshots? TY! (NT) -- No name, 19:59:40 04/02/25 Wed (NoHost/104.28.103.80) The state pageant's website has not yet updated and still has the 2024 contestants. It hasn't changed when this year's contestants will be shown. (NT) -- No name, 10:40:36 04/03/25 Thu (NoHost/27.49.15.157) Xanthi, Megan, Megan Elizabeth. (NT) -- No name, 21:55:29 04/18/25 Fri (c-73-144-194-4.hsd1.mi.comcast.net/73.144.194.4) Morgan V (NT) -- No name, 10:29:19 04/22/25 Tue (c-24-62-169-197.hsd1.nh.comcast.net/24.62.169.197) (NT) -- No name, 17:58:53 04/27/25 Sun (NoHost/185.199.103.180) When is check in? Thank you to whoever posted these photos!!! (NT) -- No name, 17:01:04 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/100.17.37.204) Betting on Morgan Torre (NT) -- No name, 20:36:00 04/28/25 Mon (ool-ae2cb003.dyn.optonline.net/174.44.176.3) Wild that Jana El never got there (NT) -- No name, 20:42:43 04/28/25 Mon (ool-ae2cb003.dyn.optonline.net/174.44.176.3) Any prior runner ups returning? Former teens? Or other pageants? (NT) -- What is Megan Soucy background? Name seems familiar, 21:35:02 04/28/25 Mon (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) Judges bios have been posted on Miss NH social media accounts: Cara Mund, Crystal Frazier, Bryan Tate, Jayna Stevens, Barry Phillips (NT) -- No name, 20:24:29 04/29/25 Tue (unn-87-249-138-175.datapacket.com/87.249.138.175) The bare shoulders photos are totally inappropriate (NT) -- No name, 00:00:47 04/30/25 Wed (NoHost/47.39.190.252) Nana, get back in bed. You're totally old school in that thought. (NT) -- No name, 10:36:42 04/30/25 Wed (NoHost/146.75.232.138)

Subject: Can anyone at Miss Texas Spring Meeting (I have no idea what it wouldbe called now) name any standouts, surprises, girls falling to the bottom of the pack?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:31:53 04/26/25 Sat (unn-169-150-224-149.datapacket.com/169.150.224.149) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I was there all day Saturday and two young ladies immediately stood out: Katherine Omo-Osagie and Sadie Schiemeyer. Both looked like a million dollars and seemed to have that intangible aura of "I know what the year of Miss Texas is about and I am ready - right now - to begin." (NT) -- Josie, 11:20:16 04/27/25 Sun (NoHost/76.185.110.174) How did last years RY Chloe Burke look? And Dallas? (NT) -- And yes, Sadie has that look about her this year!, 14:30:24 04/27/25 Sun (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) To be honest (trying not to be unkind), I hardly noticed either of those two young ladies at all. (NT) -- No name, 16:28:27 04/27/25 Sun (syn-076-185-110-174.res.spectrum.com/76.185.110.174) Then you had your head up your a*. Grow up. Same to whomever started this thread. (NT) -- No name, 20:22:47 04/27/25 Sun* (NoHost/104.28.50.132) Good grief (NT) -- No name, 22:48:10 04/27/25 Sun (95.sub-174-218-217.myvzw.com/174.218.217.95) Honestly, Chloe didn't stand out. She is a natural beauty, but she faded into the other girls she was around. Sadie had a glow up, like she understood the assignment and showed up prepared and looked the part. Kat was stunning to look at and very approachable. Won't be surprised to see these two as the final two standing, but we all know a lot can happen and change in the next couple of months. (NT) -- No name, 18:25:24 04/27/25 Sun (syn-098-156-209-228.res.spectrum.com/98.156.209.228) Chloe and Stephanie are amazing young women. They both looked great, too! (NT) -- No name, 21:07:18 04/27/25 Sun (NoHost/146.75.164.252) If only beauty were all that mattered. 🥱 (NT) -- No name, 20:30:26 04/27/25 Sun (NoHost/146.75.164.253) My friend is a director in TX and says Chloe looked fierce and has appeared o be keeping up with impressive appearances all year thus far so I wouldn’t let a few waves on stage or hallway pass ha dictate too much. Any rooked stand out? (NT) -- No name, 20:36:17 04/27/25 Sun (NoHost/174.128.176.67) Grapevine for sure (NT) -- No name, 21:03:40 04/27/25 Sun (45.sub-174-224-199.myvzw.com/174.224.199.45) No one is talking about west lake or Southlake. How did they show up? Surprised no one is talking about park cities… (NT) -- Who took over as Miss CO when Madison won Miss America, 21:30:56 04/27/25 Sun (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) To the poster who responded to my post with: "Then you had your head up your a*. Grow up..." — I would simply say: "Do you not see the irony in your words?" (NT) -- No name, 22:45:45 04/27/25 Sun* (syn-076-185-110-174.res.spectrum.com/76.185.110.174) What I see is the fear and intimidation you suffer from in competing against those two outstanding young women and your goals is nothing more than to tear them down. I know them both quite well and their talent, skills and beauty will outshine you every day of the week. (NT) -- No name, 23:14:48 04/27/25 Sun (NoHost/146.75.164.252) Who are you referring to? (NT) -- No name, 23:32:07 04/27/25 Sun (95.sub-174-218-217.myvzw.com/174.218.217.95) I’m referring to Chloe and Stephanie. (NT) -- No name, 23:43:21 04/27/25 Sun (NoHost/146.75.164.252) Miss Texas Headshots: https://www.misstexas.org/2025-miss-texas-contestants1.html (NT) -- No name, 09:44:57 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/104.28.50.176) Looks like a great Miss Class this year (NT) -- No name, 10:38:41 04/29/25 Tue (NoHost/172.59.197.9) Richardson and Park Cities are the standouts based on their pictures (NT) -- No name, 07:30:34 04/30/25 Wed (NoHost/172.59.192.27) Park cities is the one who became Miss CO after the original Miss Colorado was crowned Miss America. (NT) -- Has there ever been a titleholder that held two state titles, such as if park cities were to win TX?, 09:22:44 04/30/25 Wed (66-90-170-243.static.grandenetworks.net/66.90.170.243)

Subject: What states USA do not have a director?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:13:59 04/27/25 Sun (122.sub-174-233-75.myvzw.com/174.233.75.122) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The ex-RPM states of Alabama, Louisiana, and the Carolinas, as well as in Alaska and Arizona. DC and Montana are the latest states left without a director. (NT) -- No name, 10:51:52 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/124.6.179.145) What do these states do? Do they appoint state titleholders? (NT) -- No name, 11:43:26 04/28/25 Mon (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) I think Oregon's 1st runner up from last year is the new/current titleholder. (NT) -- No name, 15:05:26 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/104.28.116.92) The most recent South Carolina USA titleholder Gracen Grainger competing in Miss SC this June. So the last year's first runner-up is set to be appointed the new Miss South Carolina USA in a coming months. (NT) -- No name, 19:13:06 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/124.6.179.145) Speaking of, does anyone know what’s going on with Nevada? The pageant is this weekend and still no contestants listed. (NT) -- No name, 13:05:52 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/146.75.223.112) That's strange. (NT) -- No name, 14:12:20 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/208.90.150.3) Nevada USA pageant is already scheduled for July 27 per link https://www.instagram.com/p/DGCSWVav4et/ (NT) -- No name, 19:20:06 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/124.6.179.145) VT/NH no direct. (NT) -- No name, 16:45:13 04/28/25 Mon (64-25-221-232.static.firstlight.net/64.25.221.232) Who's putting on the pageant? (NT) -- No name, 16:53:57 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/100.17.37.204) I have just found out the websites of both states shut down. It might be an appointee from 2023 or 2024 first runner-up. Mykala Green would be getting appointed for NH, she is the runner-up in that state last year and VT would be Paige Carrara. (NT) -- No name, 07:24:34 04/29/25 Tue (NoHost/124.6.179.145) From what I've heard even the current directors don't have new contracts yet and that's why some haven't scheduled pageant dates, and also why we probably don't have directors in the states that need them. There's no word what's going to happen with Miss USA so far this year, including whether state pageants will be held or titleholders will be appointed. (NT) -- No name, 20:02:18 04/28/25 Mon (syn-067-253-154-035.res.spectrum.com/67.253.154.35) States with No Director: AL, NC, SC, LA (former RPM, now running the reboot of the All-American system); MT (director stepped down and is now the USA director for the Queen of the World system); OR, WA, ID (former PageantsNW, now focusing on running the Global Beauty Awards); AZ (director retired); DC (unknown why they stepped down, but former director has been posting more about pageant coaching business); NH, VT (unknown why AP isn't running as she was in inaugural year as director) (NT) -- No name, 20:04:54 04/28/25 Mon (syn-074-078-009-084.res.spectrum.com/74.78.9.84) AK has just back from pageantry as accepting applicants for the 2025 state pageant to be held this coming summer. (NT) -- No name, 05:00:41 04/30/25 Wed (NoHost/124.6.179.145)

Subject: does winning a pageant go to your head
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:21:26 04/23/25 Wed (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) yes or no [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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There is no way to answer this. It's 100% an individual response, not general. (NT) -- No name, 23:43:24 04/23/25 Wed (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) It depends upon the person... Everyone is different (NT) -- No name, 09:23:12 04/24/25 Thu (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) Which titleholders do you think had their win “go to their head”? (NT) -- Can’t help but think winning any title will change you somehow, 11:11:13 04/24/25 Thu (66-90-170-243.static.grandenetworks.net/66.90.170.243) Christy Woods, Shauna Gambill, (NT) -- No name, 14:22:49 04/24/25 Thu (39.sub-174-227-78.myvzw.com/174.227.78.39) Interesting…. They seemed to have over inflated egos prior to being crowned! (NT) -- Any Miss Americas whose win went to their head?, 21:38:26 04/24/25 Thu (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) yes but winning made it worse (NT) -- No name, 23:32:11 04/24/25 Thu (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) I don't know of a Miss America whose win went to her head, as the judges make awfully good picks after interviewing them for 10 minutes or so. However, some formers have been faced with some major life challenges. For example, I think that Gretchen Carlson was a perfectly lovely young woman when she won but she had to face a toxic work environment that IMHO (as a spectator) might have hardened her. (NT) -- No name, 00:40:05 04/25/25 Fri (c-98-199-68-221.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.199.68.221) Gretchen was toxic from the moment she won her state crown. After winning Miss America, she was difficult to deal with and wanted to get rid of the physical fitness aspect of competition as she hated having to compete in it herself. She elvated herself to a god like status in her mind the moment that crown hit her head, which we all know that year the judges admitted the wrong person won! (NT) -- No name, 02:26:21 04/25/25 Fri (syn-098-156-209-228.res.spectrum.com/98.156.209.228) I remember reading an article about her during her year. The reporter had been conducting an interview with her and described her as being very cold and aloof. Also, in her book, she talks about having a problem getting a custom made swimsuit , something about no one wanted to make one for her because they didn't consider her competitive in that category. I guess that's why she hated swimsuit competition. (NT) -- No name, 03:34:31 04/25/25 Fri (150.sub-174-238-97.myvzw.com/174.238.97.150) She also mentioned in her book she took a full year off from school for prep, which seems a bit much. Also only winner, I am aware of, who said beauty doesn't matter but decided to wear her crowning dress to her anniversary breakfast in AC. (NT) -- No name, 09:52:22 04/25/25 Fri (c-73-98-223-111.hsd1.ut.comcast.net/73.98.223.111) Do you mean the blue sequined gown she was crowned in? To breakfast, lol. Maybe she just wanted to stress the fact that she was still able to get into after all these years. However, I'm sure that could have hurt the feelings of the ones who were not still at their "competition weight." I personally never understood the backlash against Gretchen before she screwed up Miss America. Even though I thought she came across a bit frosty, I just thought she had never thawed out from all those Minnesota winter. In my opinion, she was a worthy winner. Stamford don't play and her talent was off the charts. One of the most talented winners ever. However, just like Tara Holland, she wasn't running for Miss Congeniality. (NT) -- No name, 14:15:24 04/25/25 Fri (173.sub-174-247-11.myvzw.com/174.247.11.173) Maybe not but miss America meets with a lot of people in her year and she should be congenial. I met Shauna Gambil and she was not very nice (NT) -- No name, 15:18:27 04/25/25 Fri (39.sub-174-227-78.myvzw.com/174.227.78.39) Was Shauna just not initiating interactions, instead quiet, keeping to herself? Or flat out rude in talking to others? (NT) -- Surely there have been quiet titleholders, doesn’t mean not nice, 21:26:51 04/27/25 Sun (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) She made it clear that she would rather not interact with people (NT) -- No name, 23:31:51 04/29/25 Tue (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) I saw a "hidden camera" video of Gretchen when she was Miss A and she was absolutely gracious to some guy who seemed to REALLY needed some grace at that moment (I guess it was an actor and teh whole thing was a setup, but still) so I feel that I "saw" her in an unguarded moment. Otherwise, I can't stand her haha But I always go back to that unguarded moment and I appreciate The person that I saw. I am humbled by the person I saw in that unguarded moment. Carry on. (NT) -- No name, 00:53:41 04/26/25 Sat (c-98-199-68-221.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.199.68.221) According to her book, it seems like she encountered a lot of jealousy on her way to Miss America. Everyone handles that differently. Some people don't let it get to them, some people become aloof and withdrawn. Maybe that was her situatipn. (NT) -- No name, 16:31:47 04/26/25 Sat (202.sub-174-210-53.myvzw.com/174.210.53.202) There is a book by William Goldman who judged Miss America the year Gretchen won. It is titled “Hype and Glory” and since no one mentioned it, it may have been forgotten by people on this board. I believe the book discusses the selection of Gretchen that year In an honest manner. It is not a flattering account. (NT) -- No name, 21:46:50 04/26/25 Sat (71.sub-174-247-2.myvzw.com/174.247.2.71) I read that book He thought Gretchen was not a good choice (NT) -- No name, 23:00:53 04/26/25 Sat (122.sub-174-233-75.myvzw.com/174.233.75.122) No- I live in a state (WA) where it is common for girls to compete for multiple titles, even multiple seasons, before they win their first local title. For the girls that compete year after year, the local board they work alongside is just as much of a prize as the title and the ticket to state. WA state is lucky to be full of local titleholders who are lot only grateful to be holding the title, but excited and honored to uphold the job associated. The WA State local's association is a testament to how important locals are to the longevity of the Miss America program. (NT) -- No name, 21:14:41 04/27/25 Sun (45.sub-174-224-199.myvzw.com/174.224.199.45) It's also common in WA for the same Top 5 to win locals every year and go to state every year, while others have to try for 10 years before winning a title. WA's locals are amazing, but they need to find a way to let more than the same 5 girls benefit from those locals. (NT) -- No name, 11:41:31 04/29/25 Tue (NoHost/172.58.116.200)

Subject: 6 day countdown to Miss Vermont! Girls arrive Saturday morning. Whose headshot are we loving what do we think?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:04:10 04/28/25 Mon (26.sub-174-224-182.myvzw.com/174.224.182.26) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Saturday morning? For a Sunday pageant? Are there no production numbers or anything to learn? (NT) -- No name, 16:59:06 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/100.17.37.204) They already had one rehearsal, and VT typically only has a short opening number + walking patterns to learn- nothing that would take more than 2 days (NT) -- No name, 23:16:00 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/172.56.162.248) Based on local titleholder posts, it looks like they had rehearsals before (NT) -- No name, 17:29:55 04/28/25 Mon (pool-71-178-47-59.washdc.fios.verizon.net/71.178.47.59) 15 miss this year! That is the biggest class in a while for them. Lots of returning Teens too. (NT) -- No name, 11:58:35 04/29/25 Tue (NoHost/217.114.38.125) You post this but where is the link to click to see the 2025 contestant photos for Miss Vermont this year? -- Christa, 15:38:20 04/29/25 Tue (NoHost/47.49.55.214) They featured each contestant on Instagram on the current titleholder account (NT) -- No name, 18:08:19 04/29/25 Tue (NoHost/217.114.38.127) Nice big class, diverse looking group, some really beautiful girls, congrats VT! Should be a fun show. (NT) -- No name, 18:41:27 04/29/25 Tue (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) Contestants are posted here: https://missvermont.org/2025-competition/delegates/ (NT) -- No name, 20:19:12 04/29/25 Tue (unn-87-249-138-175.datapacket.com/87.249.138.175)

Subject: Miss Volunteer America Frontrunners
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:41:01 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/50.228.184.33) Who is leading the pack? Are there any surprise candidates or dark horses? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I like Ohio. She is so pretty, but I am not sure about her talent. (NT) -- Pageant Fan, 14:23:19 04/29/25 Tue (NoHost/24.237.236.1)

Subject: has anyone been on the training videos? MAO is expecting more and more out of every candidate even at the local level. I believe girls are going to be extremely intimidated and numbers are gonna drop even more...It is like they need a college prep class to enter a local.
Author: and a lot of money [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:37:17 04/19/25 Sat (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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What videos? (NT) -- No name, 08:13:13 04/20/25 Sun (ip68-99-30-158.om.om.cox.net/68.99.30.158) I've expressed my concerns at the local level to deaf ears.... either listen to us or just get rid of locals all together. (NT) -- No name, 17:18:14 04/22/25 Tue (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) What are your concerns? (NT) -- No name, 07:42:24 04/23/25 Wed (NoHost/128.163.239.177) Too much paperwork to do one local; Requiring Rebel at the local; Register here, create a log in here, raise money here, raise money there. Oh and if you're a dancer, good you have to change your music and or dance to a "sound alike". Good luck! (NT) -- No name, 15:25:19 04/23/25 Wed (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) Paperwork isn't anything more, they're just having the girls submit their contract to nationals vs the state org. They're actually trying to make it easier for the contestants (NT) -- No name, 15:44:25 04/23/25 Wed (a172-225-246-180.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com/172.225.246.180) Paperwork is not any more at all. What is the big deal about Rebel, they need a fitness outfit anyway. Makes it pretty simple on what you need to get. I have never had a problem with any track unless they won state. (NT) -- No name, 15:49:37 04/23/25 Wed (NoHost/128.163.239.177) Exactly. This original poster is blowing everything out of proportion. (NT) -- No name, 19:56:31 04/23/25 Wed (NoHost/50.235.19.26) And this is exactly why no one ever "complains" to nationals. There's always some "underling" non director volunteer who shows up day of and has no idea how difficult it is to recruit. (NT) -- No name, 13:46:31 04/25/25 Fri (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) A brand new girl shouldn't have to spend $125 on fitness wear especially if she's not sure if this is her thing. I actually judged a local where they didn't require it. Should be optional at the local level. (NT) -- No name, 13:50:43 04/25/25 Fri (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) And luckily she doesn't have to, You can get them for around $80.00 or buy used. Probably not much more expensive than any other company (NT) -- No name, 14:51:13 04/25/25 Fri (NoHost/128.163.239.177) That's not the point - shouldn't have to spend $80 (NT) -- No name, 10:34:57 04/29/25 Tue (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) What is a "sound alike?" (NT) -- No name, 15:58:16 04/23/25 Wed (NoHost/47.39.190.252) What do you mean by "sound alike"? (NT) -- No name, 19:10:17 04/23/25 Wed (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) Not the original artist singing the song like a karaoke demo track. (NT) -- No name, 19:19:39 04/23/25 Wed (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) What do the videos discuss? (NT) -- No name, 21:56:09 04/22/25 Tue (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) What type of expectations? Fundraising? Appearance? Social media? (NT) -- No name, 11:07:01 04/23/25 Wed (cust-136.179.28.226.switchnap.com/136.179.28.226) I think you will be loosing a lot of first timers, that want to give it a try. It will be no problem for those that return each year with a new title. Concerns are membership, AHA, REBEL, Social media, contract. It is very overwhelming. Not like a fair/festival where you "give it a try" (NT) -- KML, 14:29:57 04/24/25 Thu (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) None of this is new. They've had to do paperwork for these locals, they've had to fundraise $30, they've had to have rebel. Y'all are making a mountain out of a nonexistent mole hill. (NT) -- No name, 15:59:44 04/24/25 Thu (a172-225-247-20.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com/172.225.247.20) We had paperwork, the MAO resume, and the fundraising for CMN before.... This isn't any different (NT) -- No name, 11:36:54 04/25/25 Fri (NoHost/65.49.191.112) My pageant is 6 months away and I already have 4 first timers signed up (NT) -- No name, 16:06:22 04/24/25 Thu (NoHost/128.163.239.177) I hope that is the trend..... (NT) -- No name, 16:19:02 04/24/25 Thu (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) the system just went live today!!! already have them signed up? (NT) -- No name, 20:35:01 04/24/25 Thu (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) They signed up under the 26 year and are being transferred to 27, so YES already signed up! (NT) -- No name, 20:47:09 04/24/25 Thu (104-179-20-249.lightspeed.lsvlky.sbcglobal.net/104.179.20.249) What videos? As to paperwork, soc media, fundraising, music etc., none of that is new. (NT) -- No name, 11:16:43 04/25/25 Fri (NoHost/146.75.136.1) Training videos have been for state EDs, or Field Directors, to help them with the change over to how the new registration will work (nationals takes on more of the work with some docs, vs it being on the states) (NT) -- No name, 12:07:45 04/25/25 Fri (NoHost/50.235.19.26)

Subject: Post orientation thoughts
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:58:04 04/29/25 Tue (d-207-255-212-198.paw.cpe.atlanticbb.net/207.255.212.198) There were a lot of orientations last weekend. Thoughts on who might win? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Pageant people you don't hear about anymore
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:09:37 03/16/25 Sun (NoHost/35.150.243.209) Who are some pageant people we don't hear about anymore? Ones that used to be super-active then they just disappeared. I have always wondered what happened to Jennifer Reed that owned the Beauties of America pageant. She sold it to a friend of mine. IIRC there was an issue in 2009 (?) where Jen treated a plus-size contestant very unprofessionally. I was in the audience and heard the story secondhand. Her entries the following year dropped by 50 percent which necessitated in her selling the pageant. Anyone else we don't hear about? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I miss Scott Grossman, USA Choreographer. (NT) -- Old-timer, 20:42:47 03/16/25 Sun (ec2-107-20-55-202.compute-1.amazonaws.com/107.20.55.202) He was in the Miss Congeniality movie! (NT) -- No name, 21:01:36 03/16/25 Sun (NoHost/35.150.243.209) Yes, and then became a minister and got out of pageantry and acting to find inner peace! (NT) -- Old timer, 21:04:11 03/16/25 Sun (ec2-107-20-55-202.compute-1.amazonaws.com/107.20.55.202) Wow-he would have been the last person I thought to get out of pageantry (NT) -- No name, 23:11:06 03/16/25 Sun (syn-035-150-243-209.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.209) Things happen in life with health and love and one day what we may have viewed as important, Fame, looks, notoriety, pageantry just one day doesn't matter at all. I'd love to hear his story about what was his wakeup call. Wishing him every happiness. (NT) -- Old-timer, 00:42:18 03/17/25 Mon (ec2-107-20-55-202.compute-1.amazonaws.com/107.20.55.202) I think there was a Jennifer Reed who was Miss Mississippi teen 1998. Same person? (NT) -- No name, 21:43:07 03/16/25 Sun (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) Big Mama in North Carolina! (NT) -- No name, 22:09:58 03/16/25 Sun (120.sub-174-216-5.myvzw.com/174.216.5.120) She was Miss Michigan USA some years ago (NT) -- No name, 23:09:26 03/16/25 Sun (syn-035-150-243-209.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.209) Not sure if it was the same person. She was a student at Univ of Michigan when she won the state USA title so I doubt it is the same person (NT) -- No name, 21:12:06 03/17/25 Mon (syn-035-150-243-209.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.209) Mommy Dearest in Louisiana (NT) -- No name, 01:08:03 03/17/25 Mon (67-213-56-138.dsl.yadtel.net/67.213.56.138) Penny of Turn For The Judges. Man I loved that website! (NT) -- No name, 07:01:59 03/17/25 Mon (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) I miss her SO much. I remember when her husband died in Vegas when they were at Mrs. United States. Her daughter coached me for a short time (NT) -- No name, 20:19:39 03/17/25 Mon (syn-035-150-243-209.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.209) Ugh. I always wanted to meet her because I loved following her page. Any interesting anecdotes about her you could share with us? I know she loved her dogs, which tells me a lot about her sweet soul, and the fact that so many who knew her loved her. (NT) -- No name, 04:35:33 04/22/25 Tue (162-196-180-204.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/162.196.180.204) Who was Penny and what was Turn For the Judges--and what aspects did you like about her pageant website? -- Anyone replace Penny when her website went off or when she died--what ever came first?, 04:38:45 03/24/25 Mon (syn-097-095-094-190.res.spectrum.com/97.95.94.190) Penny's site was the most comprehensive place you could get pageant results on ALL pageants-not just the major ones. -- No name, 11:40:06 03/24/25 Mon (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) I hope that you will be happy to hear that in, say, 2005, I helped with a local TX MAO pageant and invited Penny to attend, as she lived nearby. When she arrived, I gave her a program and welcomed her into the auditorium. After intermission, I asked the crowd to stand and give her an ovation. Later, I met her personally when we would attend pageant-watching parties for USA. Penny, who hailed from Ohio, was one in a million! (NT) -- No name, 23:06:24 03/25/25 Tue (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) Peggy would update the site every week with a picture and information about the new local winners, for every local in the country. I felt I knew 70% of all contestants nationwide by following TFTJ every year. (NT) -- No name, 13:48:54 03/24/25 Mon (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) There was some effort by another poster to take over TFTJ but it didn't come to fruition (NT) -- No name, 20:48:04 03/24/25 Mon (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) I was one of her reporters. She had people who covered different regions of the country. She was great to work with. I miss her. (NT) -- No name, 22:11:41 03/24/25 Mon (97.sub-174-247-0.myvzw.com/174.247.0.97) I wish someone would bring it back. There really isn't a comprehensive site that reports on all pageants (especially the obscure ones) -- No name, 03:02:46 03/26/25 Wed (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) I remember when Penny passed away-didn't she have cancer, sadly? I remember when her husband died of a heart attack when they were at Mrs United States in Vegas (NT) -- No name, 20:44:01 03/30/25 Sun (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) I worked as a reporter for Penny too. She was fab and so funny Another pageant person Frank Sweeney (NT) -- No name, 23:01:57 04/28/25 Mon (211.sub-174-227-79.myvzw.com/174.227.79.211) Is Mommie Dearest also known as Mr. Self Importance? Those who know what I am referring will understand. (NT) -- Pageant Fan, 16:47:05 03/18/25 Tue (NoHost/24.237.236.1) Ric Ferenze (sp) a wonderful MAO Historian who was so loved. I am not sure but didnt he have one of the Official MAO Mermaid trophies? (NT) -- I think I saw it popped up at an auction after he passed away., 21:30:44 03/17/25 Mon (ec2-107-20-55-202.compute-1.amazonaws.com/107.20.55.202) One guy in a Souhern state. He was very prominent on the pageant scene. He took being two faced to an Olympic level. Would slop sugar to your face and cut you to shreds behind your back. Such a shame because he was very talented singer and funny as all get out. Was a fantastic local pageant emcee, on the surface He was a great guy, just the whole two faced thing. He passed away a couple of years ago and is very missed in regard to pageants. However, do not miss being a victim of his tongue. (NT) -- No name, 12:21:49 03/19/25 Wed (245.sub-174-210-71.myvzw.com/174.210.71.245) There are at least 2 guys in the northeast EXACTLY like that (NT) -- No name, 18:20:44 03/25/25 Tue (NoHost/100.17.37.204) There was a couple just like this in my southern state. They would even gossip to the State ED. Whom they said nasty things about behind her back. It was very interesting how one of them operated. He'd get on the phone while you where in his salon with one of his friends. He would gossip about their targets; then because YOU/ target B was in the vicinity of his phone call, he would than say that target B was the one saying all the nasty things. I witnessed this on several occasions. One contestant, he would schedule immediately following big events. During the whole phone call talking/gossiping and set her up hard and fast for all the rumors that he started. She had no idea! But technically he could say she was there, right! Lol! Watch out for the " pageant phone slayer " ! (NT) -- No name, 19:23:22 03/27/25 Thu (unn-79-127-222-140.datapacket.com/79.127.222.140) It's kind of funny , in regard to the guy I posted about. For years, I could never figure out why he said such horrible things about me. Someone told me it was just jealousy. We were in similar businesses, but I was more successful. I was also younger and thinner. These people's words, not mine. Anyway, I took a little solace in that. However, after he passed away, I was speaking to someone who knew him well.I had always thought I was the main target of his venom, as I kept my contact with him to a minimum. When I brought up his behavior to this person, they just brused it off and she said "Oh honey, he talked about everybody!" Suddenly I didn't feel so special anymore, lol. (NT) -- No name, 10:27:32 03/31/25 Mon (12.sub-174-247-0.myvzw.com/174.247.0.12) Are you talking about Basil in TX? (NT) -- No name, 15:25:25 03/31/25 Mon (66-90-170-243.static.grandenetworks.net/66.90.170.243) No......this guy was from another southern state. (NT) -- No name, 22:39:31 03/31/25 Mon (12.sub-174-247-0.myvzw.com/174.247.0.12) George T Reed? (NT) -- No name, 10:32:39 04/22/25 Tue (NoHost/128.163.239.177) Ric Ferentz had a 1926 Parade winner trophy - it was not the Mermaid trophy. (NT) -- No name, 18:02:57 04/28/25 Mon (99-166-174-42.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net/99.166.174.42) Do any of you remember the Sanders family who ran Miss SC for eons.? When they got pushed out in 2010 son Joey had just been convicted for sexual assdault on a minor. Their response was to lean on the teen contestants to submit encouraging messages to the boy to make his time in the joint a little cheerier. There were (of course) too many more sins to list here (NT) -- No name, 19:14:56 03/23/25 Sun (133-111-106-149.in-addr.arpa.pulsefiber.org/149.106.111.133) It's actually kind of ironic how many "pageant people" wind up in the klinker (NT) -- No name, 22:37:30 03/23/25 Sun (97.sub-174-247-0.myvzw.com/174.247.0.97) Sanders ran West Virginia and some other state SC was run by Paula Miles (NT) -- No name, 22:53:34 04/28/25 Mon (211.sub-174-227-79.myvzw.com/174.227.79.211) I miss the incredible Don Baker. “Open and outward.” May he rest in peace. (NT) -- No name, 22:41:47 03/23/25 Sun (ip68-99-30-158.om.om.cox.net/68.99.30.158) I miss him SO MUCH!! He was so helpful to me -- No name, 01:44:00 03/24/25 Mon (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Some of his videos are still on YouTube (NT) -- No name, 20:46:03 03/30/25 Sun (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Do you happen to have any links please? I've searched, but haven't been able to locate any videos yet. (NT) -- No name, 21:12:45 04/19/25 Sat (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) Look under "Don Baker Communications"-that is where I found a couple of videos (NT) -- No name, 12:12:54 04/20/25 Sun (NoHost/47.39.190.252) Barb Frye-she was the director of Mrs. Georgia International for many years -- No name, 11:56:11 03/27/25 Thu (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Has anyone in Georgia heard from Gerdeen Dyer? He worked at the AJC and had the pageant dot com web site for many years -- No name, 20:32:45 04/16/25 Wed (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Is Don Dye still around. He always had a good track record with winners. (NT) -- No name, 06:32:08 04/17/25 Thu (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) Has anyone heard from Melissa that owned the Dream Girls USA pageant? -- No name, 20:58:27 04/19/25 Sat (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Tim Kretschmer-he had a site called the TKPN Network where there was pageant news/intervews/etc -- No name, 15:36:14 04/21/25 Mon (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Anyone remember Jimmy from Jimmy's Pageant Page? I think he was Canadian. (NT) -- No name, 15:47:47 04/21/25 Mon (NoHost/172.89.71.243) I think he owned the Miss Canada Universe franchise at one time. He and I were in regular touch. Haven't heard about or from him in years! (NT) -- No name, 21:15:32 04/22/25 Tue (NoHost/47.39.190.252) Amanda Little's mom-she had a coaching site called "First Impressions"-she was my first pageant coach and I did quite well with her. Does anyone know if she is still coaching anywhere? (NT) -- No name, 16:05:07 04/23/25 Wed (NoHost/47.39.190.252) Just thought of another one-Susan Bowtek-she had Bow Tech Productions and had the Mrs. International Ohio state pageant for many years -- No name, 18:07:51 04/26/25 Sat (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Whatever happened to Cheryl Snow, Miss National Teen-ager director? (NT) -- No name, 07:55:51 04/29/25 Tue (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245)

Subject: Why can't someone get to the bottom of what is happening with MAO?

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Date Posted: 20:05:00 04/28/25 Mon
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Certainly *someone* knows something. This drama that Robin has brought on can't last forever. Some questions:

1. Who from the original Board made the decision to sell to Robin?
2. Why no prizes listed?
3. Why is the squeeze being put on the locals (including a $39 entry fee?)
4. Has it been determined if she has or has not filed a BK?
5, Why hasn't she discussed LCH and why it went out of business?

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Subject: Word on the street Miss Oregon has stepped down. Any one know if that’s just a rumor?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:37:28 04/27/25 Sun (NoHost/146.75.136.204) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Source? (NT) -- No name, 21:09:50 04/27/25 Sun (45.sub-174-224-199.myvzw.com/174.224.199.45) She was not at the open pageant this weekend and they were told she stepped down but no reason given. (NT) -- No name, 00:05:11 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/104.28.116.104) Only 2 really easy months to go. Really rather odd. (NT) -- No name, 17:42:28 04/28/25 Mon (NoHost/146.75.136.1)

Subject: Miss Alabama headshots are up. What does everyone think????
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:58:01 04/19/25 Sat (h29.79.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/71.30.79.29) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Emma Terry will win Miss Alabama. (NT) -- No name, 13:45:17 04/20/25 Sun (NoHost/172.59.185.231) I think it will be Ruby Tilghman (NT) -- No name, 18:59:29 04/20/25 Sun (syn-024-209-024-068.res.spectrum.com/24.209.24.68) I think it will be Hannah Adams -- No name, 20:23:55 04/20/25 Sun (NoHost/172.56.226.245) Agree (NT) -- No name, 09:59:36 04/27/25 Sun (NoHost/216.170.74.106) Who has been Top 5 before? (NT) -- No name, 22:25:39 04/20/25 Sun (174-20-100-10.mpls.qwest.net/174.20.100.10) Last year: Emma Terry, Maddie Heath, Hannah Adams, Marissa Luna. Maddie Heath did not win a local title this year and Marissa Luna has a local title in Tennessee. So, Emma and Hannah are the only two returning from the top five. (NT) -- No name, 08:18:27 04/21/25 Mon (cust-136.179.28.226.switchnap.com/136.179.28.226) Returning top 13: Imani Muse, Chloe Yates, Lauren Vance, Mikella Anderson, Mary Coker Green. (NT) -- No name, 09:26:26 04/21/25 Mon (cust-136.179.28.226.switchnap.com/136.179.28.226) do you have a link? i cant find it (NT) -- No name, 00:15:56 04/21/25 Mon (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) www.missalabama.com/miss-alabama-candidates/ (NT) -- No name, 08:27:08 04/21/25 Mon (cust-136.179.28.226.switchnap.com/136.179.28.226) https://www.missalabama.com/miss-alabama-candidates/ the link of the delegates (NT) -- No name, 09:04:45 04/21/25 Mon (NoHost/124.6.179.145) the link goes to MAO (NT) -- No name, 22:49:34 04/21/25 Mon (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) Both Hannah and Ruby are former Miss Florida's Outstanding Teen winners. (NT) -- No name, 13:52:57 04/22/25 Tue (NoHost/142.136.0.80) When is Miss New York? (NT) -- No name, 15:55:47 04/22/25 Tue (59.sub-174-218-111.myvzw.com/174.218.111.59) Miss Alabama -- No name, 22:05:38 04/26/25 Sat (NoHost/71.91.77.208) Emma Terry for win, but others are coming up! Ruby,Jayla, Emma W., Carson,Mikalla (NT) -- No name, 12:32:08 04/27/25 Sun (171.sub-174-199-162.myvzw.com/174.199.162.171) It’s Emma’s year for sure. Will be shocked if she doesn’t win. I think Mikella will win eventually. She still has a teen look (through no fault of her own), but she will make a great Miss AL in a year or two. Ruby and Hannah are solid, well-rounded contestants who will likely place/do well, but I don’t see either of them ever winning. (NT) -- No name, 07:39:42 04/28/25 Mon (syn-068-117-155-207.res.spectrum.com/68.117.155.207)

Subject: Texas USA contestants are up
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:46:52 04/05/25 Sat (NoHost/124.6.179.145) The pageant will be held on May 4-5 in Houston. Miss (61): https://www.misstexasusa.com/contestants/miss2025/ Teen (47): https://www.misstexasusa.com/contestants/teen2025/ Numbers in both editions dropping, the lowest in the pageant's history. 10 years ago, it used to have over 100 delegates now down to close as 50. All of the runners-up in Miss are back with only one Teen runner-up is competing once again. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I don’t blame anyone for not entering/ MUO is a mess / some states don’t even have directors/ Dani Walker posted a video about this (NT) -- No name, 01:50:56 04/05/25 Sat (59.sub-174-193-136.myvzw.com/174.193.136.59) Does Texas have a prize package (NT) -- No name, 01:57:10 04/05/25 Sat (59.sub-174-193-136.myvzw.com/174.193.136.59) Yes. Miss Texas USA prizes -- No name, 02:08:00 04/05/25 Sat (NoHost/124.6.179.145) I miss the old days when a car, fur coat, and non pageant logo diamond jewelry were among the prizes! (NT) -- Anyone remember what year that all changed??, 14:45:17 04/08/25 Tue (66-90-170-243.static.grandenetworks.net/66.90.170.243) What is the prize package? Is that older women competing? (NT) -- No name, 02:21:07 04/05/25 Sat (59.sub-174-193-136.myvzw.com/174.193.136.59) Is Texas USA still considered the most competitive pageant in the USA system? (NT) -- No name, 14:58:22 04/05/25 Sat (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Agree. Very curious to see what will happen with USAdirecrion (NT) -- No name, 20:30:38 04/27/25 Sun (NoHost/174.128.176.67) Really sad to see the state of affairs for Miss USA. And there's still states that don't have directors or dates set. And no date for Miss USA/Teen USA. (NT) -- No name, 17:00:33 04/05/25 Sat (NoHost/167.187.101.46) why are there no names attached to the photos so we know who the contestants are?? (NT) -- No name, 18:36:43 04/05/25 Sat (syn-098-156-209-228.res.spectrum.com/98.156.209.228) All I see are LIPS!! Way too much "puffy" and "pouty"! It's distracting from some really pretty women. -- why?, 19:08:56 04/05/25 Sat (ip68-97-244-135.ok.ok.cox.net/68.97.244.135) yes Very annoying/ Makes a lot of otherwise pretty ladies ugly (NT) -- No name, 23:02:42 04/05/25 Sat (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) There are A LOT of stunners here. Wow! (NT) -- No name, 22:55:57 04/05/25 Sat (162-196-180-204.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/162.196.180.204) Interesting because I was thinking it was an underwhelming and rather unphotographic group this year. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. And agree with the lips. All of the heavy makeup, pouty fish lips, etc. is so distracting. (NT) -- No name, 20:39:38 04/08/25 Tue (syn-107-013-036-240.res.spectrum.com/107.13.36.240) There are multiple over 30 titleholders, with one being over 50!! Good for them!! (NT) -- No name, 18:54:37 04/07/25 Mon (syn-047-004-035-219.res.spectrum.com/47.4.35.219) Who is over 50 (NT) -- No name, 23:32:17 04/07/25 Mon (119.sub-174-193-137.myvzw.com/174.193.137.119) Paso del Norte is competing again. She is 72. (NT) -- No name, 09:24:41 04/08/25 Tue (NoHost/27.49.15.157) Which title does this contestant hold? (NT) -- No name, 14:48:18 04/08/25 Tue (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) Paso del Norte is the name of her title/city she represents. (NT) -- No name, 21:32:53 04/08/25 Tue (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) Did she place? (NT) -- No name, 15:10:01 04/08/25 Tue (213.sub-174-193-195.myvzw.com/174.193.195.213) No. She did not place last year. (NT) -- No name, 18:18:25 04/08/25 Tue (NoHost/124.6.179.145) What do you think her chances are this year? (NT) -- No name, 21:58:51 04/22/25 Tue (NoHost/47.39.190.252) With only half the contestants as last year (if my math is correct), I could anyone making the cut. But perhaps all four of last year's Top 5 might make Top 5 again, along with R'Bonney's first runner-up. It should be very interesting! (NT) -- No name, 00:43:05 04/26/25 Sat (c-98-199-68-221.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.199.68.221) No Miss Houston? (NT) -- No name, 09:57:03 04/21/25 Mon (109.sub-174-244-48.myvzw.com/174.244.48.109) The local pageant had not renewed for the state pageant this year due to their leadership of its now former director. So, the last Miss titleholder Mary Sickler is representing West Central Texas. (NT) -- No name, 04:12:43 04/22/25 Tue (NoHost/124.6.179.145) Texas had a great preliminary system-you could win a local pageant then have your entry fee paid to the state pageant (kind of like what Florida used to do.) (NT) -- No name, 16:29:36 04/25/25 Fri (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Next weekend will be the USA state pageant of Texas. Taylor Davis, the current Miss Dallas, is another former runner-up competing. (NT) -- No name, 03:06:35 04/27/25 Sun (NoHost/124.6.179.145)

Subject: Have there been any juggling talents in top 10 at Miss America?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04:04:48 04/27/25 Sun (75.97.137.92.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net/75.97.137.92) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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No there has never been a juggler at miss america but lots of twirled (NT) -- No name, 14:23:52 04/27/25 Sun (116.sub-174-218-251.myvzw.com/174.218.251.116)

Subject: Any state directors being replaced this year? I’ve heard a couple of states just wondering if it’s true?
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Subject: Miss USA Then And Now
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:22:11 04/26/25 Sat (NoHost/169.156.15.212) Here's what they look like Now https://youtu.be/UTaz5D5UI2o?si=q1qL5aeQPmC2Fwg1 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Miss Teen USA Then And Now
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:40:15 04/26/25 Sat (NoHost/169.156.15.212) Here's what they look like now https://youtu.be/ITO-XWa6tmw?si=czLMFHVQKEE5705n [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Volunteer America Girls Coming Back to MAO
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:30:44 03/29/25 Sat (NoHost/146.75.222.163) I’m curious who the MVA girls coming back to MAO are. A lot of girls talk about other systems being a year to grow and come back stronger. The true testament for Volunteer will be whether the girls that were state titleholders for Volunteer come back and win MAO state titles. The 2025 MAO class had Raechel Warren (NE, former IA Volunteer), 2024 MAO class had Amelia Collins (NY, former TN Volunteer) and 2023 MAO class had Jude Mabone (DC, former DC Volunteer). Anyone else I’m missing? What formers are coming back to compete this year? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I think you’re discounting MVA by only looking at it as a stepping stone. Many girls competing in MVA are doing so because they have felt bullying/ostracized by MAO and Robin. (NT) -- No name, 12:25:39 03/29/25 Sat (NoHost/108.147.177.140) And isn't MVA run by two former state directors for MAO? (NT) -- No name, 16:04:59 03/29/25 Sat (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Allison is an everything former titleholder in Tennessee — Teen USA, USA, and MAO! I believe her sister is also a former Miss DC USA? (NT) -- No name, 22:43:18 03/29/25 Sat (NoHost/104.28.76.233) For the people who like old fashioned, corny, over the top pageant spectacles, and I am one of those people, Allison Alderson is a Goddess Supreme! I did not become interested in pageants to deal with reality. I cam turn on CNN and listen to people drone on and on about the ills of the world. In pageants I want drama, backstabbing, gossip, beautiful girls in beautiful gowns and a fairy tale ending presented against a sequin and rhinestone drenched background. Unfortunately, that is getting harder and harder to come by. (NT) -- No name, 13:52:40 03/30/25 Sun (12.sub-174-247-0.myvzw.com/174.247.0.12) And Allison does camp spectacularly!! I LOVE Volunteer. I wish she would put more effort into vetting and managing who holds the state licenses. There needs to be some cleaning up and open recruitment for the licenses. (NT) -- No name, 13:07:46 04/01/25 Tue (NoHost/146.70.165.247) I can do without the backstabbing gossip and drama That’s what gives pageants a bad reputation (NT) -- No name, 02:34:11 04/16/25 Wed (239.sub-174-227-73.myvzw.com/174.227.73.239) Say what you want about that system but those titleholders are booked and busy going to big events like CMAs and more plus she is the spokesperson for the Salvation Army. The prizes and scholarships are great as well and the girls are spoiled with gifts by Allison and her mom. (NT) -- No name, 12:55:21 03/29/25 Sat (mobile-166-196-054-103.mycingular.net/166.196.54.103) They get a real national pageant experience where they're treated like royalty! (NT) -- No name, 12:35:32 04/01/25 Tue (NoHost/146.70.165.247) Sorry I genuinely didn’t mean to come off as speaking ill of Volunteer. A lot of girls have spoken very fondly of their experiences and the national titleholders are doing a great job. I was just curious who was coming back to MAO. (NT) -- No name, 22:41:58 03/29/25 Sat (NoHost/104.28.76.232) Cassie Donegan, is competing in Miss NY MAO this year. She was last years Miss NY Volunteer, talent winner, Top five. She was a former Miss VA OT/ or Teen where she placed, I believe the same. Talent and top 5. She is returning to MAO because she is still eligible and loves to perform on stage. Maybe Volunteer was her warmup to get ready for MAO. (NT) -- Hope she got the feedback she needs to be successful., 15:49:31 03/30/25 Sun (ec2-54-89-137-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com/54.89.137.158) She’s not returning just because she loves to be onstage. She’s returning because she has a genuine love for the organization and has legitimate goals she wants to accomplish for her community and state as a titleholder that MAO gives them a platform to do. Like many of these young women. I think people saying experiences they have done before were just practice to prepare them severely cuts short the impact they have made in other settings for their communities and the capability to do well they had even prior. Many were not just practicing for MAO but instead utilizing an opportunity for good to do things on their timeline. (NT) -- No name, 20:57:33 03/30/25 Sun (181.sub-174-204-129.myvzw.com/174.204.129.181) She wasn't being talked about negatively. Anyone can see she loves to perform, everyone knows she is eligible. Well, good I am glad she is competing to make an impact, I hope this organization she loves and that so many love treat them fairly. None of them will probably get paid anything. (NT) -- Cant wait to see all the good she has planned for the community!., 19:40:01 03/31/25 Mon (ec2-3-236-188-186.compute-1.amazonaws.com/3.236.188.186) I don’t think anyone is saying they were speaking poorly. The point is people seem to be cutting short decisions or years girls have spent in other orgs when there is potential for reasoning other than just to prep for something else. (NT) -- No name, 16:15:01 04/01/25 Tue (NoHost/104.234.19.102) And there is nothing wrong with allowing one pageant experience to lead you to another a better prepared competitor in phases where one clearly needs practice. Whether its an Org you were connected to previously or not. (NT) -- There is always room to improve if you want it and practice does make perfect., 16:24:21 04/04/25 Fri (ec2-18-232-74-210.compute-1.amazonaws.com/18.232.74.210) Miss TN Vol 2024 Jada Brown is Miss Polk County (FL MAO) (NT) -- No name, 17:34:15 03/30/25 Sun (host-68-169-141-95.MIDOLT1.epbfi.com/68.169.141.95) Miss DC Vol 2023 Kisa Motiwala (who Jude crowned) is Miss Capitol Hill. It’s her third or fourth year competing. (NT) -- No name, 08:19:15 04/01/25 Tue (NoHost/104.28.57.123) MAO has become just another stop in the circle of crown chasing. (NT) -- No name, 09:11:42 04/01/25 Tue (NoHost/104.28.116.89) I have to say I’ve been very impressed by the appearances, spokesperson deals, etc of the MVA state titleholders! Even the smaller state pageants have had gorgeous production. (NT) -- No name, 11:35:46 04/01/25 Tue (a172-225-110-254.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com/172.225.110.254) A lot of their community service initiatives cross my feed and the appearances they are getting are great and truly meaningful. (NT) -- Their social media is pretty awesome at the state level at least., 16:29:55 04/04/25 Fri (ec2-18-232-74-210.compute-1.amazonaws.com/18.232.74.210) They have the partnership with the Salvation Army along with a $5k scholarship from them. The winner becomes an ambassador for the Salvation Army with really big opportunities. All the titleholders get many chances for appearances either the Salvation Army. I’m honestly so impressed with this and I know Jerry Friday was a huge reason this came about and Allison was smart to partner with them. (NT) -- No name, 01:40:27 04/16/25 Wed (7.fortworth-04rh15-16rt.tx.dial-access.att.net/12.75.8.7) I’m in no way bashing the others by mentioning this Salvation Army thing I just have been very impressed. We need all pageants to thrive and build each other up. (NT) -- No name, 01:44:18 04/16/25 Wed (7.fortworth-04rh15-16rt.tx.dial-access.att.net/12.75.8.7) Miss PA Volunteer 2023, Abby Traxler was 1st Runner up at Miss Pennsylvania last year and already has a local title to compete this year. (NT) -- No name, 10:37:52 04/04/25 Fri (NoHost/172.56.221.236) The current Miss Volunteer just posted she is boarding her 50th flight this year. She is racking up those miles. Love seeing her so booked and busy. (NT) -- No name, 15:10:12 04/04/25 Fri (172-10-49-238.lightspeed.okcbok.sbcglobal.net/172.10.49.238) So can we safely say that Miss America doesn't fly every week? And that Miss Volunteer has a busier appearance schedule than Abbey. (NT) -- No name, 10:25:45 04/12/25 Sat (NoHost/146.70.168.183) I would say she is doing more than America and USA combined. (NT) -- No name, 00:39:16 04/16/25 Wed (7.fortworth-04rh15-16rt.tx.dial-access.att.net/12.75.8.7) I have a mutual friend with Berkley and she told her that she is going to the Kentucky Derby and sitting in millionaires row with some VIPs. She is pretty much on the road doing appearances full time. Ladies Miss Volunteer is doing more than Miss USA and Miss America combined. (NT) -- No name, 23:36:50 04/15/25 Tue (NoHost/162.71.236.128) 🥱 and Miss America has been at the Derby for the last several years and yes she’s on millionaires row. Glad Miss Rocky Top is traveling so much but the fact remains there is only ONE Miss America (NT) -- No name, 14:28:19 04/16/25 Wed (mobile-166-196-082-064.mycingular.net/166.196.82.64) You’re a nasty person. Miss America is on millionaires row because Robin pays for her to be there. Allison didn’t pay for Berkley to be there. -- None, 15:10:18 04/16/25 Wed (NoHost/216.103.158.130) She’s been in Millionaires row since before Robin was involved. Keeping telling yourself that. (NT) -- No name, 15:41:15 04/16/25 Wed (mobile-166-196-082-064.mycingular.net/166.196.82.64) So nasty! Maybe the poster didn’t know Miss America has been there. Let’s celebrate them all getting any opportunity like this. Pageantry is dying so we need to be less divided and more united. It’s my understanding that robin and Allison are very cordial and supportive of each other so girls can be supported in all systems. Miss Volunteer is doing big things and they have a wonderful titleholder this year. Miss America also has a very good titleholder. I hope they can get a photo together at millionaires row to quiet you nasty haters. (NT) -- No name, 17:40:29 04/16/25 Wed (NoHost/12.144.168.99) Wow. Watched a pageant lately?? Lots of fake hair, added hair. Whats that got to do with anything??? (NT) -- No name, 07:30:59 04/25/25 Fri (c-73-144-194-4.hsd1.mi.comcast.net/73.144.194.4)

Subject: One thing I have always wondered about-why don't state USA pageants release scores?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:06:11 04/19/25 Sat (NoHost/47.39.190.252) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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There are several reasons that come to mind. One is the number of contestants; it would be unnecessary to rank them. Instead, it would make more sense to just rank them by numbers. In the more populous states that may or may not be necessary. I think TX used to show the rankings as they had more competitors. (NT) -- I miss the numbers at Miss USA., 17:35:05 04/19/25 Sat (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) I am always leery of pageants that won't release scores (NT) -- No name, 20:47:51 04/19/25 Sat (NoHost/47.39.190.252) Wait…lL there kind of are no scores to release. The vats majority of girls would have nothing, Isn’t the scoring system each judge lists their top 15 in every category? Some girls won’t appear on any list, (NT) -- No name, 09:39:11 04/20/25 Sun (NoHost/172.59.185.231) The scores have been discontinued after the 2010 pageant. (NT) -- No name, 11:06:19 04/20/25 Sun (NoHost/124.6.179.145) If there are no scores, how are the semi-finalists and finalists determined? (NT) -- No name, 12:34:07 04/20/25 Sun (NoHost/47.39.190.252) I judged a state pageant in the USA system once. (Normally an MAO guy). After every area of completion you list your top 15. The first cut is determined by who gets put in the most top 15s over all areas of competition. On final night yiu do it the same way but you only pick 5. Then when the five is chosen…. You rank (NT) -- No name, 13:43:32 04/20/25 Sun (NoHost/172.59.185.231) Why is it that semi-finalists in the USA system get in with a "people's choice" award but don't make it to say Top 5? I can't recall the last time a PC winner made Top 5 or even won the state title (NT) -- No name, 15:30:26 04/21/25 Mon (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Because the award isn't voted on by the judges, it's the amount of money raised by the contestant;s friends and family. (NT) -- No name, 20:25:23 04/21/25 Mon (c-98-225-78-159.hsd1.az.comcast.net/98.225.78.159) If I recall, they say the semi-finalists were chosen by the judges and the Miss USA organization. I heard the organization wanted to stop any uncooperative contestants from advancing. (NT) -- No name, 16:24:56 04/23/25 Wed (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) IF USA is going to release something, I would prefer it to be Director Contracts and winners from NDAs (NT) -- No name, 16:13:59 04/20/25 Sun (mail.basketballcity.com/38.96.160.130) America doesn't release scores either (NT) -- No name, 13:45:59 04/24/25 Thu (150.sub-174-203-69.myvzw.com/174.203.69.150)

Subject: Miss USA 2025 state pageant final night competition dates and contestants with title info (updated as of April 13, 2025)
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:02:47 04/13/25 Sun (NoHost/124.6.179.145) January 26: Connecticut (Jenna Hoffman) February 16: Virginia (Erin Houston) March 9: Oklahoma (Zoe Ferraro; Miss Oklahoma Teen USA 2018, non-finalist at Miss Teen USA 2018) 22: Hawaii (Issha Rose Mata) 23: Kansas (Asia Smith) 29: Mississippi (McKenzie Cole; Miss Mississippi Teen USA 2022, non-finalist at Miss Teen USA 2022) April 5: Indiana (Sydney Shrewsbury) 6: Nebraska (Audrey Eckert; Miss Nebraska Teen USA 2020, third runner-up at Miss USA 2020) 6: New Jersey (Ivy Harrington) 13: Arkansas (Olivia Halsey) May 3: Texas 11: Maine 11: Missouri 25: Florida 25: Illinois 25: Rhode Island June 14: Georgia 15: Massachusetts 28: Tennessee 29: Delaware July 11: Utah 19: Kentucky 19: Ohio 27: Nevada 27: New Mexico 27: West Virginia August 2: Pennsylvania 9: Michigan 10: California 17: New York Undated (no dates have announced yet) Colorado Iowa Maryland Minnesota New Hampshire North Dakota South Dakota Vermont Wisconsin Wyoming States are likely to appoint their first runner-up from 2023 and/or 2024 for the 2025 state titles (rumored but unconfirmed) Links: https://www.instagram.com/p/CwvCJFevLhp/ and https://www.instagram.com/p/C9-MNFnvDR7/ (courtesy from pageant.bro/Instagram) Alabama: Ashlyn Powers (1RU 2024) Alaska: Amanda Lademann (1RU 2024) Arizona: Jordyn Owen (1RU 2023 and 2024) District of Columbia: Terra Johns (1RU 2024) Idaho: Katie Tetreault (1RU 2024) Louisiana: Hannah Fontenot (1RU 2024) Montana: Megan Brewer (1RU 2023; also Miss Montana Teen USA 2019 and non-finalist at Miss Teen USA 2019) North Carolina: Peyton Brown (1RU 2024; also Miss North Carolina Teen USA 2020 and Top 16 semifinalist at Miss Teen USA 2020) Oregon: Melissa Timora (1RU 2024) South Carolina: Marler Askew (1RU 2024) Washington: Taylor Mann (1RU 2023) As shown above, the ex-RPM states of Alabama, Louisiana, North Carolina, and South Carolina are not affiliated with Miss USA along with Alaska and Arizona. The changes that Utah and West Virginia pageants will now be held in July rather than the initial scheduled dates previously posted. There will be no pageants for the remainder of the month and won't be back in less than three weeks until May 3 for Texas. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Audrey was third runner-up at Miss Teen USA 2020, sorry for errors and should've added to clarify (NT) -- No name, 23:06:42 04/13/25 Sun (NoHost/124.6.179.145) Thank you for these updates. I think Nebraska is my current leader. Hope they crown more glamazons like Shandi or R’Bonney. (NT) -- No name, 00:17:05 04/14/25 Mon (162-196-180-204.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/162.196.180.204) I doubt that those pageants without dates yet will have appointed representatives. -- PikachusWorld(not signed in), 12:32:29 04/18/25 Fri (65-128-73-177.mpls.qwest.net/65.128.73.177) Correction, I should've said that those without dates yet will not hold events and appoint their representatives. (NT) -- PikachusWorld(not signed in), 21:26:28 04/19/25 Sat (65-128-73-177.mpls.qwest.net/65.128.73.177) This is not true. Unless you have a source for your info, just stop (NT) -- Let's not spread rumors, 11:30:45 04/20/25 Sun (155.sub-97-186-127.myvzw.com/97.186.127.155) Maryland’s competition is may 31- June 1 (NT) -- No name, 00:46:39 04/20/25 Sun (pool-108-28-22-97.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.28.22.97) That's from last year. Still don't have date yet for Maryland and wait for further announcement for details. (NT) -- No name, 02:55:47 04/20/25 Sun (NoHost/124.6.179.145) Did the ex RPM states have a pageant? Who ran it? Interesting that there are so many 1 ru (NT) -- No name, 03:17:07 04/20/25 Sun (25.sub-174-227-74.myvzw.com/174.227.74.25)

Subject: Any predictions for New York?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:28:25 03/27/25 Thu (NoHost/172.56.164.41) I feel like we hear so much about NY at nationals but nothing about the state competition. Any standouts? Any dark horses? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I think Lauren Norris is a dark horse with her large social media following. (NT) -- No name, 14:26:39 04/18/25 Fri (NoHost/50.228.184.33) As someone who follows Lauren, I think she's much more suited to Miss USA. She's 27-28 years old and has really done nothing except You Tube vlogs. Most of the vlogs are photo shoots or her cosplaying fictional characters, like Eloise at the Plaza (no joke, she did this as a grown woman). I'm not sure she's mature enough to carry a local title let alone state (NT) -- No name, 10:43:29 04/19/25 Sat (NoHost/100.17.37.204) I used to follow Lauren and she seemed rather silly (NT) -- No name, 03:28:32 04/20/25 Sun (25.sub-174-227-74.myvzw.com/174.227.74.25) Chelsea,Scarlett, Caitlyn, Cassie, Serena, and Carina. And Mina. Apparently, I do not know. (NT) -- No name, 21:38:30 04/18/25 Fri (c-73-144-194-4.hsd1.mi.comcast.net/73.144.194.4)

Subject: No More Last 2 Standing and heres why....
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:37:25 04/10/25 Thu (NoHost/169.156.15.219) Its simply unfair to the 1st runner up because when they are called, everyone goes nuts for the winner and really doesnt applaued the 1st runner up I like the days when Miss America went away from the last two back in 2015 when Betty Cantrell won. Then again it was kinda tacky to have the other two standing there and they didnt make the top 5... Just sayin [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I completely disagree, as I would much rather be one of the last two standing and enjoy THAT moment, than to be called out as First Loser and receive some "pity" applause for that. I feel that it would be exceptionally exciting to await the announcement and the 50/50 chance that I might win IJS (NT) -- No name, 15:48:24 04/10/25 Thu (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) I would rather if I competed for it to come down to the final two clasping hands. Because I read somewhere that in that moment the winner subconsciously takes the lead and her hands are on top. So therefore, I would pray for a runner up with very weak wrists so I would not have to hurt her in a takedown as I claimed my position of authority and victory. It would mess up my hair. (NT) -- Will arm wrestle if I have to!, 17:34:43 04/10/25 Thu (77.sub-174-238-97.myvzw.com/174.238.97.77) I liked it when all the runners up and Miss America were simply called from the top ten. With that sytem, you'd think that the winner would be obvious, but she often was not. Example: Vanessa Williams was obvious, bit Marjorie Vincent was not. (NT) -- Ima (Jean) Starall-Reddy, 18:16:01 04/10/25 Thu (NoHost/172.59.89.77) Totally disagree with this. When there were three left, as in the year that Betty won, it was pretty obvious that Betty had won because the other top guns had already been called out as the runners-up. When you get down to a top two, most often either of these contestants would be worthy of the title. I remember one year in our state, the final two was a contestant who had competed six times at state (who I knew would make a great Miss State) and her 1st runner-up who was drop-dead gorgeous with personality plus. It was a win either way, but I distinctly remember what a nail-biting moment it was waiting for the final results. This is what makes for a memorable pageant. (NT) -- No name, 20:51:57 04/10/25 Thu (184-97-10-220.lcrs.centurylink.net/184.97.10.220) One of my favorite memories is when Miss New York had won the previous year and the year before. I thought Kira would be the 1st runner up. Then the male announcer declared it was a threepeat! (NT) -- They all did it practically on their own it seemed to me., 00:56:56 04/11/25 Fri (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) If pageants are going to continue going forth with the final two, then call the first runner-up and then the titleholder. Going from second runner-up to the titleholder doesn’t provide much respect to the first runner-up. Sadly, it’s an after thought. This was especially true with Miss USA and Universe from 2016-2020. In fact, the first runner-up during those years weren’t even mentioned after the titleholder was called. Miss Universe still doesn’t acknowledge the first runner-up today. Miss America is no better having not announced the first runner-up since 2011 (except 2016, 2017 and 2019). (NT) -- No name, 13:41:42 04/17/25 Thu (NoHost/165.225.242.183) I disagree. I like when they start to call off the top 5 from the final 5 contestants. What I don't like is when it gets down to the final 2, the emcee says "and the winner is.....". I'd rather have then announce the 1st runner-up so she gets recognition for her achievement, and then the focus shifts to the winner. When they just jump to "the winner i....." the first runner up just fades into the background and many times her presentation of her bouquet and announcement of her name gets bypassed (NT) -- No name, 21:49:50 04/18/25 Fri (c-98-220-13-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net/98.220.13.180) I think th emcee should say: The final two are (name, state) and (name, state) are ...However, as the sng srz, "Some people ain't"me." Some people will never be satisfied IJS (NT) -- No name, 02:15:21 04/19/25 Sat (c-98-199-68-221.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.199.68.221)

Subject: Maine USA 2025 contestants are up
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:58:58 04/16/25 Wed (NoHost/124.6.179.145) Pageant is scheduled on May 11. Miss (17): https://www.instagram.com/p/DIg22GOJAgx/ Teen (7): https://www.instagram.com/p/DIg20LYJbhM/ Miss Maine Teen USA 2019 Mara Carpenter is competing and she's vying the first former Miss Maine Teen USA to win the Miss Maine USA title since Kaetlin Parent 17 years ago. Jordon Hudson is competing too being the girlfriend of football coach Bill Belichick. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Oh my God why in the world is Jordan Hudson competing? Yes, it will bring publicity to the pageant, but she doesn’t even live in Maine. (NT) -- No name, 08:21:55 04/17/25 Thu (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) It's wild, right? I mean, to each their own, but I'm really suprised to see her listed. Maybe Bill has a vacation house in Kennebunkport? (NT) -- No name, 09:04:40 04/17/25 Thu (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) Game is over. Poor girls entering under illusion that the competition is fair. (NT) -- sonia, 10:24:47 04/17/25 Thu (ool-182dea82.dyn.optonline.net/24.45.234.130) There are quality girls up there that can hold their own but I fear you’re right. (NT) -- Ugh, 11:53:13 04/17/25 Thu (c-75-66-52-116.hsd1.tn.comcast.net/75.66.52.116) Jordon was born in Hancock, Maine and grew up in Massachusetts for the most of her life. She represents Hancock being the place of her birth. Her father is a fisherman. (NT) -- No name, 10:28:58 04/17/25 Thu (NoHost/124.6.179.145) Do you know if she's ever competed in pageants before? (NT) -- No name, 11:00:02 04/17/25 Thu (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) She was third runner-up in MA Teen 2020 when she was almost 19 years old and first runner-up last year in Maine to Kentuckian Anne Baldridge. (NT) -- No name, 11:04:00 04/17/25 Thu (NoHost/124.6.179.145) I had no idea. Thanks for the info. (NT) -- No name, 11:19:46 04/17/25 Thu (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) Shelby Howell looks amazing on her Instagram page. She's been competing in pageants for a while now. She's married, which provides another angle to her story. What would stop her from winning? (NT) -- No name, 16:05:39 04/17/25 Thu (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44)

Subject: Discontinued pageants you wish would return/come back
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:17:12 04/08/25 Tue (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Not sure if it was discontinued but I have always wondered what happened to Miss Teen America. ** Wish someone would bring the Marmas Pageant back-I know John retired back to D.C. but I competed one year and had a great time. Dream Girls USA-I competed for several years and enjoyed it very much. I think Melissa sold it to another woman and it just disappeared. Last time I heard from Melissa she was retired and living in Florida and was recently divorced. ** Any other pageants that you can think of? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Miss T.E.E.E.N, although it was similar in format to Miss National Teenager. Which by the way had a refresh and looks like a great pageant for younger girls. New director and staff. (NT) -- No name, 07:11:52 04/09/25 Wed (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) .........And do any here know why they named this 1970s--1990s national teenager pageant Miss T.E.E.N.....?? Its the acronym for Teens Encouraging Excellence Nationally. -- I do believe there was a national teen pageant based in Tennessee--forgot the name., 16:27:28 04/09/25 Wed (syn-047-049-055-214.biz.spectrum.com/47.49.55.214) Wasn't the one in TN called "Miss U.S. Teen"? Much like National Teenager and T.E.E.N. pageants.. (NT) -- Those were the days!!, 23:34:29 04/09/25 Wed (162-204-108-238.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/162.204.108.238) ...Perhaps yes......any one know about America's Modern Miss.....a teen program....when and who organized that one? -- But my favorite teen program was the old America's Junior Miss in Mobile, Alabama., 13:06:31 04/10/25 Thu (syn-047-049-055-214.biz.spectrum.com/47.49.55.214) There was even a ‘miss united teenager!” I learned about national teenager and American coed pageants from ads in seventeen magazine. (NT) -- T.E.E.N. Sent mass mail outs for local and state pageants, 18:40:46 04/16/25 Wed (66-90-170-243.static.grandenetworks.net/66.90.170.243) Someone I went to college with was the 2nd Miss National Teenager -- No name, 20:20:51 04/16/25 Wed (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) The Mother Daughter Pageant! (NT) -- No name, 07:43:26 04/09/25 Wed (syn-075-187-087-074.res.spectrum.com/75.187.87.74) There's a few videos on YouTube and they're so nostalgic. (NT) -- No name, 20:18:52 04/10/25 Thu (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) There was a Ms and Mrs pageant-I think it was called Ms of America/Mrs of America. It did quite well for a number of years then disappeared (NT) -- No name, 19:14:07 04/09/25 Wed (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Miss America (NT) -- No name, 14:32:12 04/10/25 Thu (a172-226-19-108.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com/172.226.19.108) Exactly! and Miss USA. (NT) -- No name, 15:41:05 04/10/25 Thu (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) In the past, contestants walked like ladies with class. Their miovements were almost poetic at times. Now somebody advised them to walk like streetwalkers and it spoiled the show because our attention went elsewhere (NT) -- no name, 01:04:55 04/11/25 Fri (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) What was the Marmas pageant? Thanks. (NT) -- No name, 15:55:55 04/10/25 Thu (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) It was run by John Marmas. The finals were held in Las Vegas. When I competed we stayed at the Orleans Hotel there. -- No name, 17:30:45 04/10/25 Thu (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) I got hooked in the 70s & watched 'em all: Miss America, Miss USA, Miss Universe, America's Junior Miss, Miss Teenage America, Miss Black America, Miss World America. (NT) -- LOVE!, 17:05:59 04/10/25 Thu (syn-074-131-196-041.res.spectrum.com/74.131.196.41) I entered MTA several times-couldn't make it to the finals-I think my high school grades held me back. Anyone on here that competed in a Local MTA pageant or the Nationals? (NT) -- No name, 17:33:13 04/10/25 Thu (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Are you talking about Miss Teenage America? I used to love that pageant when I was a child. Everyone represented cities and thre was a Top 8 and then a Top 4. (NT) -- No name, 17:43:03 04/10/25 Thu (77.sub-174-238-97.myvzw.com/174.238.97.77) Yes! It was the one pageant I really wanted to do but could never progress after sending in the application. Tried about 3 times (NT) -- No name, 18:20:35 04/10/25 Thu (NoHost/47.39.190.252) Didn't Dr. Pepper eventually sell it to a Teen magazine an it became nothing more than a mail in competition.? In the late 60's and throughout the 70's it was pretty high profile. It seems like it was bigger than Jr. Miss.. (NT) -- No name, 22:47:10 04/10/25 Thu (77.sub-174-238-97.myvzw.com/174.238.97.77) Yes! Dr Pepper sold it to 'Teen Magazine in Los Angeles and they had the pageant for about 7 (?) years before discontinuing it (NT) -- No name, 19:50:02 04/11/25 Fri (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) There was an effort by a woman to bring MTA back but it never got off the ground. (NT) -- No name, 20:25:20 04/12/25 Sat (NoHost/47.39.190.252) When Dr. Pepper owned the pageant, I think you had to have a minimum of a 3.0 average in order to compete (NT) -- No name, 13:56:45 04/18/25 Fri (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Question: What was the model pageant that Miss Tennessee, Cybill Shepard won? (NT) -- Yes, she later became a successful actress., 01:07:14 04/11/25 Fri (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) Shepherd won the "Miss Teenage Memphis" title and represented the city at the 1966 Miss Teenage America pageant at age 16, where she won the congeniality award. She competed at the 1968 "Model of the Year" contest at age 18, resulting in fashion model assignments through high school and afterwards. (NT) -- No name, 10:01:39 04/11/25 Fri (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) Thank You! (NT) -- Much obliged!, 12:50:27 04/12/25 Sat (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) And Karen Valentine (Room 222 actress) won Talent in 1966 I think-she was on the cover of "Teen Magazine that year (NT) -- No name, 20:27:22 04/12/25 Sat (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Yes! Miss T.E.E.N. was a fantastic program (with exception of fitness), truly mirrored Miss America’s Teen program. Fortunate to have been a state title holder and thoroughly enjoyed nationals (held in Kansas City). Interestingly ,Gretchen Carlson was one of their national titleholders. (NT) -- No name, 12:37:43 04/11/25 Fri (41.sub-174-228-228.myvzw.com/174.228.228.41) Gretchen Carlson was first runner up…. (NT) -- No name, 06:13:34 04/12/25 Sat (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) What didn’t you like about their fitness segment? (NT) -- No name, 10:01:10 04/12/25 Sat (mobile-107-77-207-200.mobile.att.net/107.77.207.200) When I competed in T.E.E.N. there was no fitness program? Maybe that's what they meant. Lack of made it different from MAT. (NT) -- No name, 19:09:09 04/16/25 Wed (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) Teen All American with Frank Sweeney (NT) -- No name, 12:43:34 04/11/25 Fri (c-73-14-141-197.hsd1.co.comcast.net/73.14.141.197) Teen All American is coming back under the direction of Paula Miles. (NT) -- No name, 06:42:54 04/14/25 Mon (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) I saw the website-Paula really has done this up right (NT) -- No name, 20:59:30 04/15/25 Tue (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) https://missallamerican.com/ (NT) -- No name, 21:44:07 04/15/25 Tue (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) International Teen Princess-it started in Chicago and was there for a number of years before holding their pageants overseas mostly in Europe (NT) -- No name, 20:48:54 04/11/25 Fri (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Did anyone ever do the mail-in achievement pageants such as Miss American Achievement? -- No name, 13:40:18 04/12/25 Sat (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) I always thought the mail in pageants were boring. Who crowned you? The UPS guy when they shipped your crown? (NT) -- No name, 15:00:56 04/13/25 Sun (39.sub-174-238-97.myvzw.com/174.238.97.39) Miss American Achievement was a real pageant. -- No name, 20:19:22 04/13/25 Sun (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Yeah, a real mail-in pageant. They had gorgeous crowns though; I wish I could get my hands on one. RIP Tiara Enterprises. (NT) -- No name, 17:06:46 04/14/25 Mon (c-66-31-94-95.hsd1.ct.comcast.net/66.31.94.95) When did Tiara Enterprises go out of business? (NT) -- No name, 11:12:06 04/15/25 Tue (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252)

Subject: 2025 MAO Miss State Final Night Competition Dates

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2025 Miss MAO State Final Night Competition Dates

May 3:
New Hampshire

May 10:
Rhode Island

May 4:
Vermont (celebrating their 80th year)

May 31:
Hawaii
South Dakota

June 7:
Kansas
Nebraska
North Dakota
Oklahoma

June 12:
Alaska

June 14:
Arkansas
Colorado
Delaware
Georgia (celebrating their 80th year)
Idaho
Iowa
Kentucky (celebrating their 90th year)
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
New Jersey
Tennessee
Utah

June 15:
District of Columbia

June 20:
Minnesota

June 21:
California
Louisiana
Maryland
Massachusetts
Montana
New Mexico
Ohio
Pennsylvania
West Virginia (celebrating their 80th year)
Wisconsin
Wyoming

June 26:
Nevada

June 28:
Alabama
Arizona
Connecticut
Florida
Illinois
Maine
North Carolina
Oregon [livestreaming]
South Carolina
Texas
Virginia (celebrating their 90th year)

July 12:
New York
Washington

July 20:
Puerto Rico

???:
Indiana – sometime in June

Feel free to share updates, missing information and live streaming information. Just a little over 16 days until the first state holds its competition

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Subject: Rumor is we are no longer to refer to ourselves as a “Scholarship “ organization but rather as a “service” organization. There goes our historic program!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:43:40 04/10/25 Thu (NoHost/104.28.57.64) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The two big Miss systems with Talent really should just combine at this point. MVA had SERVE Initiative, MAO had Comminity Service Initiative. MVA is , "The Miss Volunteer America is a nationwide, service-oriented scholarship program," and now MAO is a Service organization. What is happening lol (NT) -- No name, 13:29:56 04/10/25 Thu (NoHost/104.152.1.226) Please God let Allison buy MAO from Robin (NT) -- No name, 14:26:14 04/10/25 Thu (NoHost/107.122.173.104) or whoever the judge decides actually owns Miss America (NT) -- No name, 10:05:04 04/12/25 Sat (NoHost/146.70.168.183) Robyn avoids paying scholarships at all costs so it’s better to call it a “service organization” rather than continue the charade about national level scholarships. On the other hand, MVA pays its scholarships and treats its girls welll. (NT) -- No name, 10:12:28 04/12/25 Sat (mobile-107-77-207-200.mobile.att.net/107.77.207.200) "We are NOT a beauty contest-we are a SCHOLARSHIP organization!" Miss Congeniality movie (NT) -- No name, 13:54:59 04/12/25 Sat (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) and Gretchen Carlson. We are no longer a pageant (NT) -- No name, 19:57:24 04/12/25 Sat (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) Nothing wrong with MAO having beauty, talent and scholarships. What it used to be in it's heyday. (NT) -- LEE, 07:52:57 04/13/25 Sun (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) Was it not 2 years ago, MAO became Miss America Opportunity - not Miss America Organization? (NT) -- No name, 10:33:50 04/13/25 Sun (NoHost/146.75.136.1) Oh so that's what we are today ... it changes constantly. (NT) -- No name, 18:39:19 04/16/25 Wed (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) Miss America did not start as a scholarship organization. It was after WWII that scholarships were added. Lenora S. Was the driving force behind those scholarships and she routinely added more during her tenure. That was at a time when very few women even attended college. Women had little opportunity for scholarships. Even platforms or service initiatives did not exist until the 1980’s. That really took off in the nineties. So, really scholarship or service has not always been a part of Miss America. They are both changes from different eras. (NT) -- No name, 08:00:43 04/17/25 Thu (syn-076-038-107-131.res.spectrum.com/76.38.107.131) Key word to this is "RUMOR" we have not been told this by anyone from MAO (NT) -- No name, 12:38:07 04/17/25 Thu (NoHost/128.163.239.177)

Subject: OK-a debate here. Who is THE pageant coach to go to nowadays?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:53:21 04/05/25 Sat (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Does it depend on the system? Are the pageant coaches that were "hot" in previous years still relevant? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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There is a coach in Mississippi that has winners! She coached the current Miss Teen USA, and the national Teen Volunteer winner. The recent MS USA winners were also coached by her! She also has winners in other systems. (NT) -- Kimbers Queens, is the name I think, 12:42:58 04/05/25 Sat (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) Big no to this. She was horrid to a girl I know. I’m not talking constructive criticism which is totally ok this was just mean. She also picks favorites amongst her clients which isn’t a risk I’d be willing to take. (NT) -- No name, 10:20:36 04/09/25 Wed (194.160.45.64.in-addr.arpa/64.45.160.194) Nia Sanchez is wonderful (NT) -- No name, 12:45:17 04/05/25 Sat (59.sub-174-193-136.myvzw.com/174.193.136.59) Isn't Nia a former Miss USA? (NT) -- No name, 13:38:38 04/05/25 Sat (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Duh yes (NT) -- No name, 14:35:53 04/05/25 Sat (59.sub-174-193-136.myvzw.com/174.193.136.59) I can;t take Nia seriously anymore since she's been on a silly reality show. (eye roll) (NT) -- No name, 18:36:25 04/05/25 Sat (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) Nia Sanchez supported mean girl comments about other Miss USA winners on RoadtoMissUSA who is a personal friend of hers. I thought that was very revealing. She’s also a total airhead on Bravo. (NT) -- No name, 19:38:35 04/07/25 Mon (162-196-180-204.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/162.196.180.204) The role she plays is not her, it is a role How do you know what she said on the Road to? Do you have a link (NT) -- No name, 23:21:50 04/07/25 Mon (119.sub-174-193-137.myvzw.com/174.193.137.119) Does anyone still coach with Cheri Kennedy up in Minn? -- No name, 23:53:56 04/05/25 Sat (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) I think several still do. I believe she is a sponsor too? (NT) -- No name, 15:29:32 04/11/25 Fri (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) I coached with her for about 7 years. I didn't even get one semi-finalist placement. She has had success with other delegates, don't know why it didn't happen for me. -- No name, 20:52:46 04/11/25 Fri (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) The big two systems America and USA have both gone through so much change, nobody is an expert in either any longer. My advice to girls is find a good interview/communication coach with the education to back them up and a good walking coach--usually a former with proven results. (NT) -- No name, 11:38:09 04/07/25 Mon (mail.ufsdata.com/207.67.42.11) Is Lu Sierra THE walking coach? I have seen her videos on YouTube (NT) -- No name, 21:51:44 04/07/25 Mon (NoHost/47.39.190.252) Who is THE interview coach to go to now? No one can hold a candle to the late Don Baker. (NT) -- No name, 21:57:45 04/07/25 Mon (NoHost/47.39.190.252) Giselle Boone is one that has a great reputation as a mentor, walking coach and knows the USA system. One of her clients will be competing at MUSA this year. In terms of interview, know the system and what they are looking for in a titleholder and recognize interview is about establishing a connection with the panel. That begins with listening to the question and answering not with what they want to hear but what best exemplifies YOU. (NT) -- ureka smoke, 10:14:53 04/08/25 Tue (ip98-169-99-148.dc.dc.cox.net/98.169.99.148) Agree with post above. Find a good interview coach with a side of walking instruction. (NT) -- Lee, 11:59:44 04/08/25 Tue (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) Does she coach in systems other than USA? (NT) -- No name, 23:03:09 04/08/25 Tue (NoHost/47.39.190.252) I am not sure but do know she is on FB and Instagram. (NT) -- ureka smoke, 10:39:27 04/10/25 Thu (ip98-169-99-148.dc.dc.cox.net/98.169.99.148) This woman does NOT have a good reputation. Full of drama and games. Run far away. (NT) -- No name, 02:32:43 04/09/25 Wed (NoHost/172.58.5.109) If you are going to attack someone without cause, you really should do a better job hiding the IP location. I know who you are and the reputation you have bullying pageant girls and those you deem to be a threat. (NT) -- ureka smoke, 09:49:45 04/09/25 Wed (ip98-169-99-148.dc.dc.cox.net/98.169.99.148) I’m not sure who you think you’re outing or talking about but I think you got it wrong 😂 Ask anyone in the WA/OR area about her and they will tell you (NT) -- No name, 22:34:01 04/11/25 Fri (NoHost/172.58.5.109) One would think you would be more interested getting your local rep ready for Miss GA USA than talking about two states out West. I got no problem getting in the mud with you buddy..... (NT) -- ureka smoke, 08:52:46 04/14/25 Mon (ip98-169-99-148.dc.dc.cox.net/98.169.99.148) This has to be the guy who claims to interview coach every single USA winner and a miss universe. (NT) -- Chosing an interview coach does matter, 12:36:36 04/10/25 Thu (115.sub-75-253-188.myvzw.com/75.253.188.115) Is this the guy who is also a lawyer? (NT) -- No name, 17:34:55 04/10/25 Thu (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) One of my local girls worked with someone called Rosen Media Consulting. I looked her up on Instagram and it looks like she's worked with the current Miss usa and Mao state title holders and some Mrs contestants (NT) -- No name, 00:46:27 04/13/25 Sun (pool-173-70-118-128.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/173.70.118.128) Too Many. Too many pageants, too many changes (often last minute), too many coaches. Back in the dark ages, Miss A, Miss USA and the handful of smaller for profit systems were the only games in town. Each had their scoring & categories solidly in place, coaches knew what states were looking for & what would a girl would need to be competitive at national. Don & Bill had lots of successful girls; Lu was the one for USA walks. Now the rules fluctuate on a near monthly basis. Coach to interview strong on your platform becomes, in front of the judges, tell me your marketing plan. Swimsuit walk is now a high school romp across the stage. I do not believe there is a single top coach, instead - trust your local/state boards (NT) -- No name, 10:28:46 04/13/25 Sun (NoHost/146.75.136.1)

Subject: Why did Robin go back on the age limit?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:01:56 04/06/25 Sun (217-134-68-38.clients.gthost.com/38.68.134.217) Unfortunately, I was excited about the new age range but it was technically retracted. How my birthday falls (May), I only had this year to compete in most states. But 2 for NH & VT. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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what is the limit now? No age limit was crazy (NT) -- No name, 13:09:03 04/07/25 Mon (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) Not sure what this means, there hasn't been a change in the age limit recently and there has ALWAYS been an age limit (NT) -- No name, 13:48:59 04/07/25 Mon (NoHost/128.163.239.177) Don't confuse USA with Miss America. No age limit was Miss Usa and yeah that is crazy! (NT) -- Need a local Director to tell us what is the age range for Miss America, 15:28:04 04/07/25 Mon (ec2-107-21-132-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com/107.21.132.149) It’s to 28 by the state pageant (NT) -- No name, 16:08:58 04/07/25 Mon (104-179-20-249.lightspeed.lsvlky.sbcglobal.net/104.179.20.249) It’s no older than 27 at state (NT) -- No name, 18:04:49 04/07/25 Mon (61-94-134-23.clients.gthost.com/23.134.94.61) Which is stupid so someone can age out in one state but be the same age and compete in another!?! It should be you can not be ___ for the Miss America pageant, put a date on it. (NT) -- No name, 21:46:01 04/07/25 Mon (c-71-238-147-25.hsd1.ar.comcast.net/71.238.147.25) The rules are said below 28 on or after January 1 in the event year (e.g., the 2025 year where Miss contestants were born in 1997). (NT) -- No name, 10:28:19 04/09/25 Wed (tlc.httpint.globe.com.ph/112.198.102.192) Imagine that - more stupid, meaningless changes in the MIDDLE of the year instead of fixing what really needs fixed. Pretty soon it will be a new font and no using the color pink on programs or some stupid shit. (NT) -- No name, 18:25:22 04/08/25 Tue (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) there was no age change in the middle of the year. And as for the age change, this was a discussion with the state EDs, and they favored making sure Miss were capped at 27 at the state competition. (NT) -- No name, 20:55:03 04/08/25 Tue (NoHost/50.235.19.26) I wish Teens would go back to 13. (NT) -- No name, 21:06:29 04/08/25 Tue (104-179-20-249.lightspeed.lsvlky.sbcglobal.net/104.179.20.249) EDs did not want to have 13 year olds. Again, it was a part of that same discussion (NT) -- No name, 21:19:53 04/08/25 Tue (NoHost/104.28.32.191) Why? We are losing them to other systems. (NT) -- No name, 09:47:22 04/09/25 Wed (NoHost/128.163.239.177) Maturity? The fact that you can't really judge a 13 year old against a 18 year old? (NT) -- No name, 10:12:27 04/09/25 Wed (NoHost/146.75.232.138) The first year of teen in 2005, the 1st RU was 13 and a few year later, 2 winners were 15 (Caitlin Brunell and Jeanette Morelan). Most 13 and 14 year olds entered for the experience and the scholarship money (when it was actually paid!). The max age at that time was 17 and entering your senior year of high school. It worked just fine. IMO 18 is too old for teen, many are already in college. But, then again, an 18 year old competing against a 24/25 year old college grad student seems a little unfair. There will always be age imbalance. It would be good to pick the parameters and stick with it. (NT) -- No name, 16:44:41 04/09/25 Wed (NoHost/50.86.219.105) the 12 year olds feel embarrassed to be "little sisters" and there is nothing for 13 year olds... (NT) -- maybe have a preteen category, 21:18:47 04/09/25 Wed (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254)

Subject: in your Opinion what miss Texas should not have won and who should have. This is for fun so do not be mean
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:39:13 03/27/25 Thu (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) In my opinion Stephanie Gurrero Kasi Kelley Amanda Little I do not get their win Kelli Pickle Andrea Mullins and Mandy Jeffries should have won [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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So to clarify, you are looking for USA titleholders and not the America titleholders. (NT) -- No name, 02:11:13 03/27/25 Thu (syn-098-156-209-228.res.spectrum.com/98.156.209.228) either one (NT) -- No name, 02:23:39 03/27/25 Thu (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) Who is Kelli Pickle??? (NT) -- Who should have won over kasi Kelly, etc?, 03:21:43 03/27/25 Thu (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) A former Miss Houston-USA around 1998--2001. Lovely brunette beauty. -- The two KK girls were great (Kandance Krueger and Kaci Kelly), 06:44:58 03/27/25 Thu (syn-097-095-094-190.res.spectrum.com/97.95.94.190) OP add Caressa Blair How did she win? (NT) -- No name, 17:17:26 03/27/25 Thu (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) Who should have won instead and why? (NT) -- No name, 18:03:18 03/27/25 Thu (103.sub-174-218-218.myvzw.com/174.218.218.103) Holly Mills (NT) -- No name, 20:03:06 03/27/25 Thu (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) Amanda's Mom was my first pageant coach-I did quite well with her -- No name, 21:43:09 03/27/25 Thu (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Same poster here-her Mom ran a company called First Impressions and it was THE place back in the day for coaching (NT) -- No name, 02:55:22 03/29/25 Sat (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Elizabeth Sturgen should have won / and Staci Outhouse should have won (NT) -- No name, 22:07:58 03/27/25 Thu (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) Lauren Lanning was a head scratcher (NT) -- No name, 17:49:56 03/28/25 Fri (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) Why was she a head scratcher? (NT) -- No name, 18:01:33 03/28/25 Fri (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) No way she should have been selected over Crystal Stewart in my opinion. I had Lauren as 4th runner up. (NT) -- No name, 12:23:59 03/29/25 Sat (syn-070-113-128-069.res.spectrum.com/70.113.128.69) Crystal was better than Lauren/ wish she never had any Plastic Surgery (NT) -- No name, 20:32:06 03/29/25 Sat (41.sub-174-193-196.myvzw.com/174.193.196.41) . She seemed rather snobby (NT) -- No name, 19:17:24 03/29/25 Sat (93.sub-174-193-198.myvzw.com/174.193.198.93) Always thought Bridget Richard should have won. (NT) -- No name, 22:21:51 03/28/25 Fri (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) Bridget didn't have a strong enough interview. I was a massive Elizabeth Sturgeon and Windy Hayes fan! (NT) -- No name, 19:49:20 03/29/25 Sat (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) another headscratcher Stephanie Kuhnie (NT) -- No name, 00:59:44 03/31/25 Mon (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) Why was she a head scratcher? (NT) -- No name, 10:20:11 03/31/25 Mon (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) I thought it was a weak year in general. She was a head scratcher when she showed up at Miss USA! (NT) -- No name, 14:51:31 03/31/25 Mon (53-97-162-69.static.reverse.lstn.net/69.162.97.53) Chris Bogard was under rated. She should have made the top 11 (NT) -- No name, 04:38:27 03/31/25 Mon (36.sub-174-193-192.myvzw.com/174.193.192.36) Chris was BEAUTIFUL. Especially in red like when she won state. But she showed up to USA pasty and bloated, with a drab bronze gown. Very disappointing. (NT) -- No name, 11:07:08 03/31/25 Mon (NoHost/172.89.71.243) Heather Ogilvie, Lauren Lanning, Lauren Guzman and Danielle Rodriguez were all headscratchers for me. (NT) -- No name, 17:14:12 03/31/25 Mon (NoHost/209.214.59.10) Why were they all head scratchers? (NT) -- No name, 17:25:01 03/31/25 Mon (2.sub-174-218-211.myvzw.com/174.218.211.2) Heather Ogilvie seemed to come out from nowhere, so she seemed to be hand-picked by Al & Gail Clark. Lauren is prettier than she is telegenic. Guzman and Rodriguez felt like the Clarks were trying to make inroads into the big money in South TX. That whole span of time appeared to be ruled by greed, whether true or not IJS (NT) -- No name, 20:55:52 03/31/25 Mon (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) Reagan Hughes won because she competed so many years. KIM MASTERS should have won (NT) -- No name, 21:03:27 03/31/25 Mon (108-239-242-250.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/108.239.242.250) Absolutely agreed and was told that MTO begged her to return. I loved Kim Masters, but TPTB didn't want her 'cause her sister had won Miss OK. (NT) -- No name, 21:26:00 03/31/25 Mon (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) which would have been awesome, Twins competing at Miss America (NT) -- No name, 23:54:48 04/01/25 Tue (108-239-242-250.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/108.239.242.250) It happened before, back in 1947. They were from TN. The winner that year was also from TN, but represented Memphis. (NT) -- No name, 11:08:56 04/02/25 Wed (43.sub-174-247-13.myvzw.com/174.247.13.43) NOT TRUE that TPTB didn't want Masters! Hughes was not a great Miss Texas and they knew what she was like, and weren't wanting her. (NT) -- No name, 11:49:23 04/02/25 Wed (syn-098-156-209-228.res.spectrum.com/98.156.209.228) You think back in the day that B. Don would pick a first year girl. NO WAY. Kim won everything on stage on Finals Night. It would be interesting to see the old cronies that B. Don had for judges (NT) -- No name, 10:23:06 04/08/25 Tue (108-239-242-250.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/108.239.242.250) Why wasn’t Hughes considered a great Miss TX? (NT) -- No name, 14:59:15 04/08/25 Tue (66-90-170-243.static.grandenetworks.net/66.90.170.243) She didn’t do well at Miss America, a really underwhelming performance. She was alright as Miss Texas but never had that sparkle. (NT) -- No name, 18:13:58 04/08/25 Tue (NoHost/70.113.128.69) What a silly reason. Twins at miss America would have been fun (NT) -- No name, 12:17:21 04/02/25 Wed (43.sub-174-193-192.myvzw.com/174.193.192.43) Frankly I was surprised that Crystle Stewart lost to Megan Ellis in 2007 ! Then again..had she won she would have competed with Rachel Smith. That would have been interesting (NT) -- No name, 10:52:44 04/03/25 Thu (NoHost/169.156.15.219) I was surprised at who she lost to every time (NT) -- No name, 16:05:42 04/03/25 Thu (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) Had that happened it would have been like watching pins fall at a bowling alley. Tennessee's down!!! Texas is down!!!! It's a split! (NT) -- No name, 12:21:05 04/08/25 Tue (77.sub-174-238-97.myvzw.com/174.238.97.77) You must be referring to the back to back falls at Miss Universe that some said was planned (NT) -- No name, 09:26:26 04/09/25 Wed (NoHost/134.192.176.2) Yes, it was supposed to post higher up. And yes, always wondered if that was scripted. And am convinced the Steve Harvey business was staged. (NT) -- No name, 10:56:50 04/09/25 Wed (77.sub-174-238-97.myvzw.com/174.238.97.77)

Subject: Arkansas USA contestants are up
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:29:15 04/04/25 Fri (NoHost/124.6.179.145) Pageant is going to be held next weekend (April 13) in Russellville. It's back to normal timeframe. Miss (18): https://www.missarkansasusa.com/arusa2025/ Teen (6): https://missarkansasusa.com/arteen2025/ Only 24 combined contestants overall. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Notable competitors including Miss America (MAO) contestant Kory Lynn Jennings, who was the 2RU in Teen to current titleholder Madeline Bohlman, who crowned Teen that same year, and former Survivor castaway Tori (Meehan) Stanley. (NT) -- No name, 21:45:13 04/04/25 Fri (NoHost/124.6.179.145) In 2021, I forgot to add the paragraph (NT) -- No name, 21:49:33 04/04/25 Fri* (NoHost/124.6.179.145) Hallee in Teen is from the glitz circuit. She's been on Toddlers & Tiaras. I think this is her 3rd time trying for the Teen title. (NT) -- No name, 01:42:11 04/05/25 Sat (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) She will be on her 5th and final year of Teen eligibility after four semifinal placements began in 2021. (NT) -- No name, 01:50:27 04/05/25 Sat (NoHost/124.6.179.145) Only 6 Teens-will all be fasttracked into the finals since the numbers in that division are so low? (NT) -- No name, 02:51:01 04/05/25 Sat (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) So many beauties in Miss (NT) -- No name, 05:47:00 04/05/25 Sat (162-196-180-204.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/162.196.180.204)

Subject: has anyone from Texass won on their first try MAO or usa
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:16:49 04/01/25 Tue (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Nope. Texas has 9 Miss USAs (1977, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1995, 2001, 2008, 2022), two of whom won Miss Universe. It also has produced three Miss America winners (1942, 1971, and 1975). (NT) -- No name, 02:07:15 04/02/25 Wed (NoHost/27.49.15.157) I think they mean on the state level. And yes, of course it's happened. In both TX organizations (NT) -- No name, 03:44:54 04/02/25 Wed (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) Don't I remember a very young lady winning Miss Texas (MAO) once named Carly Jarmon or something similar? The only other detail I recall is that someone else at Miss America reserved her song (can't remember what it was) before she had the chance. (NT) -- No name, 10:21:40 04/02/25 Wed (216-24-92-182.unassigned.ntelos.net/216.24.92.182) Carly competed in 94 (did not place) and won the following year. (NT) -- No name, 14:04:45 04/02/25 Wed (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) Isn’t that what happened when heather olgivie won TX USA? Didn’t place the first year than won the second year? (NT) -- No name, 19:19:43 04/02/25 Wed (66-90-170-243.static.grandenetworks.net/66.90.170.243) Carly's song at State was "Stormy Weather" and she sang the heck out of it. It was replaced with Stephany Samone's version of "Stand By Your Man," which didn't fare well in Atlantic City. But that was a strange Top 10 and even stranger Top 5. (NT) -- No name, 11:57:52 04/03/25 Thu (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) After Samone sand "Stand by Your Man" it should have been respectfully retired. Other than Terry Meesuwen's "He Touched Me" , my all time favorite pop performance at Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 12:13:59 04/03/25 Thu (42.sub-174-238-103.myvzw.com/174.238.103.42) Shilah Phillips won on her first try. She’s the only one in the history of Texas MAO, I believe. She was also the first African American winner. Ended up being first runner up at MA. One of the best there ever was! (NT) -- No name, 13:18:34 04/02/25 Wed (NoHost/107.127.0.64) Teri Eoff? (NT) -- No name, 13:29:01 04/02/25 Wed (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) And I'm sure it happened often in the 40s/50s/60s etc when it was commonplace for contestants to be one and done. (NT) -- No name, 13:53:54 04/02/25 Wed (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) for usa l think the Aces in the80s except one or 2 and Chelsi Smith and Katie Young (NT) -- No name, 15:42:20 04/03/25 Thu (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) Chelsi won her second year. (NT) -- No name, 16:49:29 04/03/25 Thu (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) R'Bonney Gabriel won Miss Texas USA on her second try, then won Miss USA and ultimately Miss Universe in a course of three months. Kandace Krueger was a non-finalist four times before won on her fifth try. Crystle Stewart also won Miss Texas USA on her fifth try, unlike Kandace, she was the runner-up between 2004, 2006, and 2007, and a semifinalist in 2003. (NT) -- No name, 21:24:53 04/03/25 Thu (NoHost/27.49.15.157)

Subject: the Texas aces
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:49:27 03/12/25 Wed (NoHost/76.93.73.16) Which is your favorite? WAs there a lot of backlash with Texas winning 5 years in a row? How did Texas do it [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The next Miss Texas did not make the cut but I have to telll you, it did not shock me. Her evening gown was SHOCKINGLY bad for the time period and her styling read "cool 40 year old mom" (NT) -- No name, 14:03:46 03/12/25 Wed (NoHost/216.125.37.210) What did you think of the gown worn by TX at USA last year? (NT) -- No name, 16:18:32 03/12/25 Wed (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) The next Miss Texas did make the cut. Stephanie Kuehne was in the top 10. You are right that it was one of the worst evening gowns in Miss USA history. (NT) -- No name, 18:05:56 03/12/25 Wed (209-193-33-10.static.acsalaska.net/209.193.33.10) with that gown IDK how she made the top 10 just ugly gown (NT) -- No name, 16:45:20 03/16/25 Sun (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) She made the top 12, they had 12 semi-finalists in 1990 (NT) -- No name, 17:30:47 03/17/25 Mon (bras-base-kntaon1621w-grc-26-184-148-39-59.dsl.bell.ca/184.148.39.59) Oh I liked her evening gown and didn't realize it was so hated! Sounds like this will be an unpopular opinion but I actually had Stephanie 2nd after semi-final competition, behind Georgia's Brenda Leithleiter and just above Gina Tolleson. I didn't get Carole Gist at Miss USA, but she was a vision at Miss Universe and she was my winner there. (NT) -- Left-Brain Pageant Fan, 23:12:46 03/13/25 Thu (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) That was a tough year for the finalists. New Jersey nailed her response to the Top 6 question. I had Miss Alaska making the Top 3, but her answer was weak during the Top 6 OSQ period. Plus, her gown wasn't attractive enough which might have made the difference. Later, Gina Tolleson became Miss World if I remember. (NT) -- no name, 12:45:05 03/20/25 Thu (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) They hired a couple of guys called GuyRex who were experts at training beauty pageant contestants. They also worked with California queens. One of them has since passed on. In the same way, Hispanic countries trained their winners for a long time preparing them in all phases for the competitions. (NT) -- no name, 14:59:25 03/12/25 Wed (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) I think that both of these men have died. They were the best during their days in the pageant world. (NT) -- No name, 20:27:09 03/12/25 Wed (NoHost/172.56.92.173) There is a wonderful book called The Pink Dress written by Jane Little. She was the first ever GuyRex girl. I recently finished reading it and loved every second of it. I am early 30s so these guys and era in pageantry I was unfamiliar with. (NT) -- No name, 23:25:35 03/12/25 Wed (NoHost/172.56.241.176) I'm assuming that Jane Little was before Kim Tomes, Miss USA 1977 who I think was their first national titleholder. Did Jane Little win a title? (NT) -- No name, 03:12:34 03/13/25 Thu (240.sub-174-210-67.myvzw.com/174.210.67.240) Jane Little was the first Miss El Paso (TX-MAO) under GuyRex. In her book, she wrote that she also represented El Paso at TX-USA, won both swimsuit and photogenic but didn't make the cut because her interview wasn't what the judges were looking for. The winner, Susan Peters, won Miss Photogenic at Miss USA 1972 but didn't make the cut. (NT) -- No name, 23:37:22 03/13/25 Thu (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) I wonder if her Miss TX - MAO is on Pageants Hey Day? I know there are some old Miss TX videos from the early 70's. (NT) -- No name, 01:49:01 03/14/25 Fri (240.sub-174-210-67.myvzw.com/174.210.67.240) If so, she didn't make Top 10, claims that B. Don cut her in favor of another contestant and that he made it up to GuyRex by putting them on the MTO board. Some of what she writes is highly questionable but it still makes for an interesting read. (NT) -- No name, 03:44:38 03/15/25 Sat (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) You are correct. I think Rex sadly had AIDS and Guy had cancer (?) It was sad when both of them died -- No name, 23:44:27 03/15/25 Sat (NoHost/35.150.243.209) This reminds of The Hollywood Kids who had a site talking about celebrities One of them died of Aids. I couldn't tell which one, the blond or the brunet. (NT) -- So many celebrities also died of Covid. Much too soon., 19:38:07 03/16/25 Sun (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) Rex did not have AIDS. I've been HIV positive since 1991, which was the same year basketballer Magic Johnson was diagnosed. We both are alive and well, and it's been 34 years. Rex Holt died of a heart attack at the age of 74 in 2015. (NT) -- No name, 19:30:01 03/17/25 Mon (c-98-41-68-45.hsd1.ca.comcast.net/98.41.68.45) Good Luck to you- my dear. It is good to see long term AIDS survivors. It's not the death sentence it used to be ((((HUGS)))) (NT) -- No name, 23:46:09 04/02/25 Wed (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Folks above are correct, sure, they had the right personnel to train them hard - but still, 5 winners in a row is such an interesting statistical aberration. Even Venezuela only managed 2 in a row at Miss Universe! In my opinion, Christy Fitchtner (1986), Courtney Gibbs (1988) and Gretchen Polhemus (1989) were clear, runaway victories. I would have gone with Diane Martin of Arizona in 1987 over Michelle Royer, but Michelle is still one of my Top 10 ever Miss USAs and I thought she should have won Miss Universe that year. The only one I didn't understand was Laura Herring in 1985, though ironically she's one of the few Miss USAs to ever bridge the gap between my two interests - film and pageantry! She was in one of the greatest avant garde films of all time - David Lynch's 'Mulholland Dr' in 2001. (NT) -- Left-Brain Pageant Fan, 23:07:29 03/13/25 Thu (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Laura Herring won over Miss New Mexico, the 1st r/u. The previous year, Miss New Mexico won Miss USA. I too, thought Miss NM should have won. Miss Herring did a brief bid for fame in the movies. (NT) -- The 1st r/u to Christy Fitchner was Halle Berry, Miss Ohio who later won an Emmy and an Oscar., 01:12:37 03/14/25 Fri (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) I thought it was a pretty weak Top 10... My favorites in the Top 10 were actually Hawaii (didn't even make Top 5) and Louisiana (3RU), but no one was super exciting to me. (NT) -- Left-Brain Pageant Fan, 03:35:54 03/14/25 Fri (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) How did GuyRex choose the girls they worked with? I'm sure with their record they didn't just accept walkins. (NT) -- No name, 13:11:35 03/14/25 Fri (178.sub-174-247-13.myvzw.com/174.247.13.178) I'm guessing they had the luxury of choosing warmer sash states for easier success. Also, states that are known for swimsuit competitions. (NT) -- Miss the old days., 02:52:42 03/15/25 Sat (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) Actually, GuyRex didn't recruit contestants (for example, former runners-ups) as only Gretchen had been 2nd r-up the year before she won. Laura, Christy, Michelle and Courtney were basically newbies, having only competed in maybe one other pageant (Michelle in MAO, for example). Basically, GuyRex took whoever the judges gave them, then spent six months grooming her for nationals. (Courtney told me she learned "a book's worth" about herself during those six months.) Guy and Rex were the real deal. (NT) -- No name, 04:13:14 03/15/25 Sat (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) Is this how Osmel worked in Venezuela, also? Basically, would he sit on judging panels or would he just transform the girl he was given? I'm not trying to be controversial - I to be honest have no issues with a national director sitting on a judging panel if they're votes only count as much as all other members of the panel - just curious! (NT) -- Left-Brain Pageant Fan, 15:34:37 03/15/25 Sat (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) It was publicized that Venezuela trained their contestants as did Colombia, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic and more. They were especially trained for possible OSQs. (NT) -- The downer for some people is that they graduated to walking like streetwalkers., 15:46:07 03/15/25 Sat (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) Did everyone win on their first try? Except Gretchen? (NT) -- No name, 22:00:52 03/15/25 Sat (206.sub-174-193-196.myvzw.com/174.193.196.206) It seems to me that Christy had competed at Teen TX USA. (NT) -- No name, 22:06:26 03/15/25 Sat (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) what year did Christy do teen? (NT) -- No name, 16:52:09 03/16/25 Sun (NoHost/76.93.73.16) I doubt it because in 1983 she was 19 (NT) -- No name, 20:15:06 03/17/25 Mon (206.sub-174-193-196.myvzw.com/174.193.196.206) She actually was a runner in CT the year before she won TX Usa (NT) -- No name, 15:41:39 03/19/25 Wed (NoHost/75.98.19.152) Thank you, I believe it. I couldn't remember whether she competed once in Teen TX or if it was in CT. (NT) -- No name, 22:02:09 03/19/25 Wed (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) Christy competed at Miss Texas USA in 1983. Watch the Youtube video. (NT) -- Pageant Fan, 15:44:03 04/03/25 Thu (NoHost/24.237.236.1) Don't forget they would wine and dine Usa judges at the ranch before the pageant. Allegedly. (NT) -- ., 22:08:57 03/15/25 Sat (NoHost/172.59.112.229) What "ranch" do you mean? Guy and Rex lived in town. (NT) -- No name, 16:38:40 03/16/25 Sun (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) After Guy/Rex, Al and Gail Clark (The Crystal Group) had the franchise-anyone know why they gave it up? -- No name, 19:48:13 03/16/25 Sun (NoHost/35.150.243.209) Al was ill, and then passed away. They were very professional. Loved Guy and Rex. Both deceased. Wonderful people. (NT) -- No name, 15:02:24 03/17/25 Mon (c-98-41-68-45.hsd1.ca.comcast.net/98.41.68.45)

Subject: Miss Vermont competition and Miss Nh are the same weekend and so soon! Predictions? My daughter stopped competing years ago but I still love the programs! What are your thoughts?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:41:28 04/01/25 Tue (249.sub-174-224-162.myvzw.com/174.224.162.249) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Why has Miss Vermont never won MAO? I remember in the mid-70s there were a few state titleholders that espoused controversial opinions like legalization of marijuana (NT) -- No name, 13:57:30 04/02/25 Wed (syn-047-039-190-252.res.spectrum.com/47.39.190.252) Speaking of, I’ve spent so much time looking for the contestants on SM! Where can I find them? Please 🙏 and thank you ☺️ (NT) -- No name, 19:50:34 04/02/25 Wed (NoHost/104.28.103.80) Looks like all the headshots have been posted on the Miss Vermont Org’s Instagram page. Thoughts? (NT) -- No name, 21:32:33 04/02/25 Wed (140.sub-174-242-128.myvzw.com/174.242.128.140) 15 Misses for VT. That must be the biggest class in a while?? (NT) -- No name, 23:56:43 04/02/25 Wed (NoHost/45.85.145.194) Vermont is looking good! Will it be livestreamed? (NT) -- No name, 01:35:10 04/03/25 Thu (174-20-154-148.mpls.qwest.net/174.20.154.148) Yes it will! All the info and delegates are up on the website (NT) -- No name, 14:45:55 04/03/25 Thu (249.sub-174-224-162.myvzw.com/174.224.162.249) Great class. Had Malia winning two years ago and Sophia last year. Harmony's hair is fantastic. (NT) -- No name, 10:40:36 04/03/25 Thu (NoHost/68.60.75.232) So many amazing women this year, hard to tell which way things will go. I think Sophia (1st RU 2024), Emily (2nd RU), and Emma (3rd RU 2023) will do really well. (NT) -- No name, 14:35:34 04/03/25 Thu (c-71-233-186-211.hsd1.ct.comcast.net/71.233.186.211) Agreed with Emma. I think she could come back from not placing- I think Abby Hunter will also do well 4RU 2024. They have so many new girls its hard to gauge. Isabella Williams was Top 20 at Earth US a few years ago as well. (NT) -- No name, 14:57:56 04/03/25 Thu (249.sub-174-224-162.myvzw.com/174.224.162.249)

Subject: Nebraska USA contestants are up
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:52:24 03/28/25 Fri (NoHost/27.49.15.157) Pageant is scheduled to be held on April 6. Miss (11): http://missnebraskausa.com/neusa2025/ Teen (7): http://missnebraskausa.com/neteen2025/ Only small numbers competing in Miss than last year. This has 2 former Teens competing in Miss. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I’m so happy to see Audrey Eckert back! I thought she was gorgeous at TUSA. (NT) -- No name, 12:45:55 03/28/25 Fri (NoHost/104.28.103.78) Audrey Eckert (NE TUSA 20) was the third runner-up in Miss Teen USA 2020 as every runner-up in Miss Teen USA 2020 competed once. Shayla Jackson is the only other former runner-up not interested to compete in Miss pageant. (NT) -- No name, 02:22:40 04/02/25 Wed (NoHost/27.49.15.157) Samantha Washington is another former Teen competing in her home state for the first time in five years. She competed in The Bachelor and did not make it past night one. She was also a cheerleader of Miami Dolphins and a Disney dancer. (NT) -- No name, 03:54:59 04/02/25 Wed (NoHost/27.49.15.157) Love Samantha - have followed her for years but this picture is not working for me. She looks "mid sneeze". (NT) -- No name, 12:10:13 04/03/25 Thu (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) Not a good head shot. I really hate selfies in the car. (NT) -- No name, 12:18:06 04/03/25 Thu (NoHost/68.60.75.232)

Subject: Indiana USA contestants are up
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:04:29 03/17/25 Mon (NoHost/180.190.230.253) Miss: https://www.empower2productions.com/miss-2025 Teen: https://www.empower2productions.com/teen-2025 The numbers are doing good in Miss with 25 delegates comparing with 17 Teen delegates as the opposite in the recently released Mississippi contestants. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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One of last year's judges is a contestant this year. That feels wrong. This is not a strong group this year... -- No name, 14:25:54 04/02/25 Wed (static-184-17-156-243.ftwy.in.frontiernet.net/184.17.156.243) She looks washed hard and put away wet so I would say she does not stand a chance. (NT) -- No name, 18:49:55 04/02/25 Wed (c-67-172-2-116.hsd1.ar.comcast.net/67.172.2.116) I’m not sure who the above posters are, but I can easily select a solid Top 10, which goes to show that beauty is definitely subjective. Who are you referring to? (NT) -- No name, 19:45:07 04/02/25 Wed (NoHost/104.28.103.80)

Subject: Miss Pennsylvania 2025 -
Author: additions, corrections please [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:47:34 03/29/25 Sat (99-166-174-42.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net/99.166.174.42) Adams County – Emily Torrealba - dance Berks County – Morgan Harrar Bucks County - Butler County – Bryn Patton – tap dance Central PA – Madelyn Rowan – step dance “Victory” Freedom Forge – Camryn Sacco – tap dance Gettysburg – Jaelyn Monroe - poetry Greate Juniata – Annie Reig – baton “Greatest Show” Greater Reading – Juliana Denick Heart of Lancaster – Christine Herman Lancaster County – Madelyn Whitcraft - vocal Luzerne County – Cara Mia Hogan Midstate – Hannah Fox Montgomery County - Moraine State – Isabel Ruiz-Flint Northeastern PA – Victoria Vespico Philadelphia – Jaylen Baron – Broadway jazz dance Pretzel City – AK Hazel Red Rose City – Samantha Roth South Central PA – Kendall Deshong Susquehanna – Abby Traxler - vocal White Rose City – Heather Galil - dance York County – Finley Miller Please help: corrections, additions, and talents. (Is there a Miss Bucks County and Miss Montgomery County?) Thank you [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I choose Vespico. We have a felon in the White House, so who cares about a TRO? (NT) -- No name, 20:52:49 03/29/25 Sat (133-111-106-149.in-addr.arpa.pulsefiber.org/149.106.111.133) Did Robyn drop the suit? (NT) -- No name, 10:20:54 03/30/25 Sun (NoHost/100.17.37.204) that is horrible/ she will only bully the class of 2026 (NT) -- No name, 00:05:31 03/31/25 Mon (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) I do not see her being crowned simply because of the controversy that already exists and then it compounding 10 x's over with a win. No state organization would want that. If it somehow were to happen, she would need to watch every step and breath she takes just to push thru the year as Miss PA. (NT) -- No name, 17:52:17 03/31/25 Mon (c-67-172-2-116.hsd1.ar.comcast.net/67.172.2.116) No question about it, this is Abby Traxler’s year. (NT) -- No name, 22:46:09 03/29/25 Sat (NoHost/104.28.76.236) What's her background? (NT) -- No name, 10:11:11 03/30/25 Sun (NoHost/100.17.37.204) Abby is an all star in the Miss PA organization. She has been competing since the Princess level. She was 1ru to Page in 2014 as Teens when Abby was only 13 years old. Then continued to place 1ru for Teen until she aged out. Last year, on the ten-year anniversary of their Teen placement, Abby was 1ru to Page again her first year coming back as a Miss. She is an incredible singer and very active with her platform Common Cents. She partners with Junior Achievement and just taught a five week program at one of her local elementary schools. All around bombshell and amazing human inside & out!!! (NT) -- No name, 19:14:39 04/01/25 Tue (a172-226-87-227.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com/172.226.87.227) Jaylen Baron, Miss Philadelphia is the full package! (NT) -- No name, 20:09:34 04/01/25 Tue (pool-71-175-25-133.phlapa.fios.verizon.net/71.175.25.133) are there photos of the class (NT) -- No name, 20:21:50 04/01/25 Tue (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16)

Subject: Mississippi USA contestants are up
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:19:19 03/17/25 Mon (NoHost/180.190.230.253) Miss: http://missmississippiusa.com/msusa2025/ Teen: http://missmississippiusa.com/msteen2025/ It is disappointed only 15 in Miss but there are two former Teens and former Miss Mississippi Vivian O'Neal are in the bunch. Teen numbers are quite doing good with 19. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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College Hill or Starkville for Miss (NT) -- No name, 12:14:05 03/17/25 Mon (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) Kosciusko or University for Teen (NT) -- No name, 12:15:13 03/17/25 Mon (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) Vivian O'Neal, Miss Mississippi 2023 (MAO) is representing the Pine Belt in MS USA this year. (NT) -- No name, 17:30:47 03/17/25 Mon (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44)

Subject: Miss Oklahoma USA / Teen USA results
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04:16:52 03/11/25 Tue (NoHost/180.190.230.253) From Pageant Central/Instagram and Vanbros: MISS RESULTS W: Zoe Ferraro 1RU: Jordan Smith (former NY Volunteer) 2RU: Hunter Gorton 3RU: Macy (Meehan) Hamilton 4RU: Theodora Baker Semifinalists (alphabetical order) Kaitlyn Crain Brooklynn Douglas Olivia Hayes Ariana Matthews Blair Noblin Julia Patel Emma Lee Youngblood TEEN RESULTS W: Ruthie Richey 1RU: Kristen Range 2RU: Reese Hollingsworth 3RU: Ava Jackson 4RU: Hallee Francisco Semifinalists (alphabetical order) Addison Adams Makiyah Deer Lola Freeman Jania Keys Mariah Sargeant Zoe's win in Oklahoma makes her the 10th 2018 Teen to win the return ticket. Oklahoma has now seven former Teens winning the Miss title as former Teen titleholders were allowed to compete in Miss USA state pageant since 40 years ago. Five of Vanbros's 2018 Teens (including Hunter Fraley, who succeeded Hailey Colborn after won the national Teen title) have/had competed in Miss pageant at least once, three of them earned the Miss titles (Sydni Dion Bennett Baca, 2018 IL Teen/2021 IL Miss; Mackenzie Hinderberger Sturges, 2018 AR Teen/2023 AR Miss; and now Zoe Ferraro 2018 OK Teen/2025 OK Miss). Chloe Elizabeth Bartlett Roberts (2018 MO Teen) is the only 2018 Vanbros Teen opposed from competing in Miss and is expected on her own plans as becoming a mother later this year. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thank you (NT) -- No name, 18:17:15 03/16/25 Sun (67-213-56-138.dsl.yadtel.net/67.213.56.138) 14 TEENS OMPETED IN ok AND THEY HAD A TOP 10? OUH (NT) -- No name, 22:13:00 03/16/25 Sun (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16)

Subject: Miss New York Contestants
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:00:37 02/25/25 Tue (NoHost/12.238.100.162) - Miss Broadway - Tiffani Britton - Miss Buffalo - Chelsea Lovell - Miss City of New York - Ashley Staggers - Miss Empire - Sweta Murthy - Miss Finger Lakes - Ariel Staffin - Miss Five Boroughs - Cassie Donegan - Miss Greater New York - Gabrielle Lenger - Miss Hudson Valley - Rhea Manjrekar - Miss Liberty - Ariela Ziu - Miss Manhattan - Caitlyn McTier - Miss Niagara - Candice Strahin - Miss Pride of New York - Felicia Gambino - Miss Queens - Lola Charles - Miss Richmond County - Scarlett De Witt - Miss Staten Island - Madison Gattullo - Miss Upstate New York - Cydnie Clark [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Is the NY Class complete? (NT) -- No name, 12:21:01 02/25/25 Tue (NoHost/172.56.161.237) I don't know Cassie Donegan personally, but I watched last year's Volunteer America pageant (she was Miss NY), and I think she could easily make the 10/5 at Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 13:17:23 02/25/25 Tue (24-136-22-53.s2355.c3-0.snb-ubr2.chi-snb.il.cable.rcncustomer.com/24.136.22.53) VA’s OT and top five at Nationals. And a Cinderella National winner. (NT) -- Very good vocalists too., 14:09:33 02/25/25 Tue (NoHost/104.28.78.230) I wonder if it would have been a better move for Lauren Walsh to have competed in NY this year (if she's still eligible) instead of her native NC? This may have been her year in NY. see (NT) -- No name, 16:27:23 03/02/25 Sun (240.sub-174-210-67.myvzw.com/174.210.67.240) If she comes from $, she should have stayed in NY (NT) -- No name, 14:11:32 03/03/25 Mon (NoHost/172.56.165.202) For some reason, she and her sister seem to be very polarizing in NC. I've always thought both were great contestants, but they seem to inspire lots of negative feedback in NC. Perhaps it is legitimate or maybe just jealousy. (NT) -- No name, 14:28:19 03/03/25 Mon (240.sub-174-210-67.myvzw.com/174.210.67.240) Or maybe it is just another case of NY trying to portray a contestant in a negative light. (NT) -- No name, 13:22:44 03/04/25 Tue (NoHost/172.56.162.219) There was a lot of discussion on Walsh when she won her local in NC. People were questioning her eligibility since she's lived in NYC for 4 or 5 years (NT) -- No name, 14:24:14 03/04/25 Tue (NoHost/136.226.50.82) I would think Walsh would be a front runner in NC (NT) -- No name, 15:08:29 03/04/25 Tue (NoHost/136.226.50.82) She is one to watch but all 4 of last year's runner ups are back along with several other former Top 10/5's. Lauren was 4th runner up 2-3 years ago. She is definitely in the mix but you never know what will happen in NC. Last year's winner kind of came out of left field. (NT) -- No name, 19:15:55 03/05/25 Wed (51.sub-174-210-68.myvzw.com/174.210.68.51) I would hardly say out of left field. She was a state teen winner and first runner up in Kentucky. (NT) -- No name, 20:57:53 03/05/25 Wed (syn-024-209-024-068.res.spectrum.com/24.209.24.68) I'm referring to the winner in NC last year. (NT) -- No name, 22:54:09 03/05/25 Wed (51.sub-174-210-68.myvzw.com/174.210.68.51) is there a list for the teens? who is returning? Who is new? (NT) -- No name, 22:49:42 03/04/25 Tue (syn-076-093-073-016.res.spectrum.com/76.93.73.16) All the teens are up on the website- looks like a good mix of new faces and returners https://miss-newyork.org/teen-program/2025-teen/ (NT) -- No name, 23:00:31 03/04/25 Tue (NoHost/172.56.166.34) Who were the winners of the digital competition last weekend? (NT) -- No name, 08:33:57 03/05/25 Wed (136-56-184-56.googlefiber.net/136.56.184.56)

Subject: Miss Georgia Contestants
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:09:35 02/25/25 Tue (NoHost/12.238.100.162) - Miss Albany - Londyn Polite - Miss Atlanta - Audrey Kittila - Miss Augusta - Emilia Leopard - Miss Augusta University - Alyssa Pearson - Miss Capital City - Anna Kate Robinson - Miss Central Georgia - Brooke Marshall - Miss Cherokee Rose - Paige Nix - Miss City of South Fulton - Anta Njie - Miss Classic City - Sophia Wootten - Miss Coastal Empire - Mae'Kala McCoy - Miss Cobb County - Aaliyah Phillips - Miss Columbus - Caroline Blanks - Miss Coosa Valley - Cyndee Thoreson - Miss Coweta County - Abby Callaway - Miss Crossroads of the South - Olivia Buckland - Miss Cumberland Island - Lauryn Morrow - Miss Dogwood - JW Watson - Miss Emanuel County - Chyann Hoyle - Miss Empire of the South - Peyton Christen - Miss Fayette County - Dominique Verville - Miss Fountain City - Andrea Epps - Miss Fulton County - Tatenda Rameau - Miss Georgia Coast - Sarah Garrett - Miss Georgia Southern University - Gracie Allen - Miss Geranium City - Tra Pham - Miss Golden Isles - Sinaia Williams - Miss Greater Atlanta - Lindsay Jones - Miss Greater Columbus - Kennedy Larkin - Miss Gwinnett County - Carys Feldman - Miss Heart of the South - Payton Maxwell - Miss Henry County - Emily Emmons - Miss Historic Gwinnett - Jordan Kulah - Miss International City - Elise Higgins - Miss Macon - Autumn Knight - Miss Magnolia - Abby Henderson - Miss Magnolia Midlands - Jaclyn Griffin - Miss Middle West Georgia - Hannah Peterson - Miss Northeast Georgia - Chavon Brown - Miss Northwest Georgia - Aleks Arwood - Miss Presidential Pathways - Sarah Jane Houston - Miss Rome - Megan Wright - Miss Savannah - Marleigh Clark - Miss South Atlanta - Cicely Jackson - Miss Southeast Georgia - Olivia Lott - Miss Southern Rivers - Gracelyn Coker - Miss Southwest Georgia - Zaria Davis - Miss Spirit of Georgia - Landon Knight - Miss Statesboro - Gabrielle Ratliff - Miss Thomasville - Macy Taylor - Miss Tifton - Charleigh Harper - Miss Troup County - Alexandra Arnold - Miss University of Georgia - Ella Ryann Cottrell - Miss Warner Robins - Jillian Higgins - Miss West Georgia - Jessica Roberts [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Anna Kate Robinson and Megan Wright are the former OTs in the roster. The former didn't compete in the nationals but appointed after the original winner chose to attend university. (NT) -- No name, 17:35:11 02/25/25 Tue (NoHost/180.190.230.253)

Subject: Miss North Carolina Contestants

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- Sandhills- Carly Peeters - vocal - New
- Moore Co- Tori Gross - dance - 2023-T16, 2024 NF, Teen - 2014, 2017
- Randolph Co- Jessica Hughes - dance - New
- Lake Tillery- Deoveune Chappell - vocal- 2023 NF
- Stanly Co.- Annika Schneider - dance - new, Teen- Miss NC Teen 2023
- Chapel Hill - Hailey Hudson - vocal - 2021 NF, Teen- 2017 NF
- Orange Co. - Tisha Abdul - dance - New
- Zebulon- Ashtyn Thomas - vocal - New
- Wendell - Sarah Beth Howard - vocal - 2022, 2024 Top 10
- Davidson Co. - Sophia Kelstrom - vocal - 2018, 2019, 2021 NF, 2024 4ru, Teen 2016 T15
- Thomasville- Hannah Wellborn-Lewis - dance - 2018 T10, 2023 2ru, 2024 3ru (Talent prelim) - Teen 2013, 2014, 2015
- Central Carolina- Heather Young - dance - new - Teen 2022
- Metrolina - Taylor Foley - Vocal - 2018 Top 10 (Talent prelim), 2022 Top 10, 2024 NF (Talent prelim)- Teen 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
- Queen City - Maayan Eaves - vocal - New
- Rose Hill - Emilyann Marsh -hula hoop 2022 NF
- Garner - Maura Westbrook - vocal - 2021 NF, 2023 4ru, 2024 top 11 - Teen 2018
- Goldsboro - Summer Carson -dance - 2024 NF
- High Point - Ella Parker - dance - New - teen 2023, 2024
- Morganton - Zoe Charles - dance - New
- Carolina Foothills - Ashley Leonard - viola - 2024 NF
- Caldwell Co- Lauryn Mallard - dance - 2022 3ru, 2023 T16, 2024 2ru EG prelim
- Catawba Valley- Morgan Wuest - harp - new - teen 2023 NF
- Statesville - Keelie Jones - dance - 2023 3ru, 2024 1ru - Teen 2018, 2019, 2021
- Iredell Co. - Jalon Blackwell - dance - New - teen 2021, 2022, 2023
- Ballantyne - Lauren Walsh- vocal- 2017 NF, 2018 prelim talent, 2019 top 10, 2021 4ru, Teen 2015 Top 15
- Lake Norman - D’Amrah Rowdy - dance - 2021 NF, 2024 NF- Teen 2019 T10
- Cabarrus Co. - Jaime Logan - dance - 2023 NF, 2024 NF
- Charlotte - Josie Perdue - dance - New - Teen 2021 NF, 2022 1ru
- JOCO - Grayson Johnson - dance -New - Teen 2018 NF, 2019 T15, 2020/21 NF
- Cleveland - Hannah Stevens - vocal - 2024 NF
- Smithfield - McKayla young - vocal - New
- Fayetteville - Katie Strain - dance- 2023 NF, 2024 NF
- Gastonia - Catherine Lee- dance - New
- Gaston Co. - Anaia Mayner - HERstory -New
- Mt. Holly - Mary Jae Felizarta - hula - New
- Spivey’s Corner - Tara Parker - dance - 2017, 2018, 2022 (non-finalist interview) 2023 NF
- Dunn - Michaela Williams - dance 2024 NF
- Henderson - Evan O’Geary -vocal - 2017, 2022, 2024 NF -Teen 2015

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