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Subject: Re: THE LUCKY DOG

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Jesse
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Date Posted: Fri, December 08 2023, 6:09:03
In reply to: Steve Rydzewski 's message, "Re: THE LUCKY DOG" on Tue, December 05 2023, 20:41:21

Howdy, Steve -- you're very welcome. I didn't mind compiling Owen's bio one bit. My initial raison d'être for doing such was to illustrate Owen Evans and "Bob Evans" being the same person, and it grew from there. Did I pretty much "cover all the bases" on Owen, or do you have more to add still? Incidentally, among many other things, I found some interesting info on another Philadelphia native on the site, Sennett player Jimmy Hertz (who I was able to find in the crowd in Stan Laurel's FROZEN HEARTS, thanks to both a photo and a bio note mentioning his FH appearance in Brent Walker's Sennett book).

As for Bumps: I had previously determined that Bumps Adams and the W.L. Adams listed for many Lonesome Luke/early HL "glasses" films in The Harold Lloyd Encyclopedia were one and the same thanks to some Los Angeles City Directories, one of which (1921) lists photoplayer Bumps Adams at the same address (1412 Bond) given for photoplayer W. Lawrence Adams in surrounding directories -- including a "duplicate" entry in that very 1921 LACD. But I didn't have an image or screenshot of Bumps at the time until I came across the one at the top of the page.

Said screenshot came from Unidentified Films (formerly Nitrate Film Interest Group) on Flickr (see here). "Doctor Kiss" (Bruce Calvert, I think?) posted the trade ad link in the comments featuring more images of Bumps Adams. It was from there I was able to more or less finally "pin him down" visually. Initially, the BLISS ID was tentative, so I had sat on it for a while, but then I was browsing through the delightful "non-embarrassment" of riches that is the official Harold Lloyd Facebook page and found, amongst many other stills, a couple Lonesome Luke and early "glasses" film stills where I was pretty sure I could ID Adams in the background (including one from BLISS where he could be glimpsed with his trombone). Careful comparisons between the screenshots in the Unidentified Films album, those stills, and the BLISS scene were enough for me to finally "call" Adams as the trombonist in BLISS.

Also of note, I thought, was a 1919 L.A. Times article I found on Bumps that mentioned he "made his debut in motion pictures with Toto, another noted clown." This was presumably during that period (mid-late 1917) where both men were at Rolin.

Just curious, who was the "different person" you thought Adams was?

Incidentally, I'm still dithering a hair, but I think Adams may also be the thief in SKINNY GETS A GOAT. Furthermore, I was watching Larry Semon's THE RENT COLLECTOR on the Laurel or Hardy Blu-ray, and I think I spotted Adams in two roles: as the guy fighting with Frank Alexander at the beginning, and much later as the cop who gets clobbered by a chest and a jug.

(P.S. Funny enough, Steve, I actually had just thought of you not too long before I first saw this post earlier tonight, because I had remembered that Brent Walker's Sennett book identified Sennett player Gordon Lewis as one of Glen Cavender's henchmen in the Stan Joe Rock comedy THE SLEUTH. I have some research on Gordon, but I thought to myself, "I'm sure Steve Rydzewski probably knows even more about him!" Then, not long after that, I see this post!)

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>Howdy, Steve -- you're very welcome. I didn't mind >compiling Owen's bio one bit. My initial raison >d'être for doing such was to illustrate Owen Evans >and "Bob Evans" being the same person, and it grew >from there. Did I pretty much "cover all the bases" on >Owen, or do you have more to add still? Incidentally, >among many other things, I found some interesting info >on another Philadelphia native on the site, Sennett >player <a rel=nofollow target=_blank >href="https://www.lordheath.com/Jimmy_Hertz.html">Jimmy > Hertz</a> (who I was able to find in the crowd in >Stan Laurel's FROZEN HEARTS, thanks to both a photo >and a bio note mentioning his FH appearance in Brent >Walker's Sennett book). > >As for Bumps: I had previously determined that Bumps >Adams and the W.L. Adams listed for many Lonesome >Luke/early HL "glasses" films in The Harold Lloyd >Encyclopedia were one and the same thanks to some >Los Angeles City Directories, one of which (1921) >lists photoplayer Bumps Adams at the same address >(1412 Bond) given for photoplayer W. Lawrence Adams in >surrounding directories -- including a "duplicate" >entry in that very 1921 LACD. But I didn't have an >image or screenshot of Bumps at the time until I came >across the one at the top of the page. > >Said screenshot came from Unidentified Films (formerly >Nitrate Film Interest Group) on Flickr (see <a >rel=nofollow target=_blank >href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/nfig/31667389285/in >/album-72157676110913882/">here</a>). "Doctor Kiss" >(Bruce Calvert, I think?) posted <a rel=nofollow >target=_blank >href="https://archive.org/details/movpicwor431movi/page >/n167/mode/2up?view=theater">the trade ad link</a> in >the comments featuring more images of Bumps Adams. It >was from there I was able to more or less finally "pin >him down" visually. Initially, the BLISS ID was >tentative, so I had sat on it for a while, but then I >was browsing through the delightful >"non-embarrassment" of riches that is the official >Harold Lloyd Facebook page and found, amongst many >other stills, a couple Lonesome Luke and early >"glasses" film stills where I was pretty sure I could >ID Adams in the background (including one from BLISS >where he could be glimpsed with his trombone). Careful >comparisons between the screenshots in the >Unidentified Films album, those stills, and the BLISS >scene were enough for me to finally "call" Adams as >the trombonist in BLISS. > >Also of note, I thought, was <a rel=nofollow >target=_blank >href="https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/380533617/">a > 1919 L.A. Times article</a> I found on Bumps that >mentioned he "made his debut in motion pictures with >Toto, another noted clown." This was presumably during >that period (mid-late 1917) where both men were at >Rolin. > >Just curious, who was the "different person" you >thought Adams was? > >Incidentally, I'm still dithering a hair, but I think >Adams may also be the thief in SKINNY GETS A GOAT. >Furthermore, I was watching Larry Semon's THE RENT >COLLECTOR on the Laurel or Hardy Blu-ray, and I >think I spotted Adams in two roles: as the guy >fighting with Frank Alexander at the beginning, and >much later as the cop who gets clobbered by a chest >and a jug. > >(P.S. Funny enough, Steve, I actually had just thought >of you not too long before I first saw this post >earlier tonight, because I had remembered that Brent >Walker's Sennett book identified Sennett player Gordon >Lewis as one of Glen Cavender's henchmen in the Stan >Joe Rock comedy THE SLEUTH. I have some research on >Gordon, but I thought to myself, "I'm sure Steve >Rydzewski probably knows even more about him!" Then, >not long after that, I see this post!)
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