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Subject: Ahern Sisters / Lillian Miles, pt. 2


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Sun, September 11 2022, 16:34:14

Lassie Lou and Peggy have the wrong HOLLYWOOD PARTY linked to on their pages.

Did some digging and found a height for La Belle Lillian: 5'4½"

Lillian sources:
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/323485122/ (Des Moines Tribune, 08 Oct 1932; gives height as 5'4½")
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/323485217/ (Des Moines Tribune, 08 Oct 1932; second part of article)
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/movie-star-match-book-cover-diamond-3307900346 (Diamond matchbook cover, 1930s; gives height as 5'4")

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Subject: Ahern Sisters / Lillian Miles


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Sat, September 10 2022, 12:39:39

You already have them on the site: Lassie Lou and Peggy.

Also, Lillian Miles has another Roach credit: APPLES TO YOU!
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Subject: RAE ETHELYN's Uncle saves innocent man 10 min from electrocution


Author:
JARVIS---Chicago (Delighted)
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Date Posted: Mon, August 29 2022, 10:22:44

I was searching for an "official" birth record for RAE but was only able to find a newspaper announcement confirming her birth information. She was ANM's LEON JANNEY's first cousin as they had grandparents A.L. & ROSA KOHN in common.
Her Uncle, STUART KOHN was a commercial lawyer in NYC and told a close criminal lawyer friend that he would give him help if he came across a criminal conviction of someone who was poor and friendless and needed help for an appeal. (Sounds like "BOSTON BLACKIE").
CHARLES STIELOW was a poor, mentally challenged farmhand in rural Upstate NY convicted of murdering his wealthy employer and his housekeeper with a pistol in a robbery.
He was convicted and sentenced to death in the electric chair
in Sing Sing. The case went thru the normal court process and the sentence was upheld and a date for execution set.
While on death row, the murderers there became convinced that STIELOW was innocent: "it takes one to know one".
They convinced the warden that they may be right. He mentioned it to Uncle STUART's criminal lawyer friend and started a re-examination.

The story is so fantastic that it sounds like a TV crime show or B&W "B" movie.

There's an evil private detective who forces a confession and lies about it to police.
There's a secretly recorded admission by the detective by using a ruse.
There's a fake forensic firearms "expert".
There's another jailed criminal who confesses to the murders and then recants.
There's a NY Governor who won't believe new evidence.
There's an innocent man with trousers slit, head shaved and electric chair ready to go saying goodbye to his wife and kids.
There's RAE's Uncle speeding 27 miles with papers to delay the execution with just minutes to spare.
There's the "town without pity" that won't believe STIELOW is innocent even after he's pardoned as innocent.

Here are free links to the 1918 NY newspaper story and a 1932
re-examination. You can Google CHARLES BIGELOW trial for more sources.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/data/batches/dlc_allen_ver01/data/sn83030214/00206532269/1918051201/0270.pdf

http://vots.altervista.org/CTI/39Stielow.html
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Subject: Our Gang kids in "45 Minutes From Hollywood."


Author:
Brad (Filippone)
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Date Posted: Sat, August 27 2022, 18:34:33

On the page for this film, you provide a credit for each of the Our Gang kids who show up during the tour guide scene. This is pretty minor, but it looks like you missed Jackie Condon who was second from the left.

On a side note, I just purchased the Kino Slapstick Symposium DVD for Oliver Hardy which included this film. They made a very silly error in their description of the film on the back cover by saying that Stan Laurel was the cross-dressing thief (who you list as Unknown). Obviously, we all know that Stan is the fellow in the bed looking like James Finlayson. And really, the thief looks nothing like Stan.
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Subject: TOL'ABLE ROMEO credits


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Wed, August 24 2022, 20:07:40

In the credits at the top of the page, you list "H.M. Walker (?)" for dialogue (or titles) and "?" for cinematography.

However, the screenshot of the original titles provided by John Benson at the bottom states Jess Robbins both "directed and titled" the film, and that Len Powers photographed it, in addition to F. Richard Jones' role as supervising director.
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Subject: LA ESTACION DE GASOLINA


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Sun, August 21 2022, 19:26:27

Most of the cast are missing their screenshots and correct character names for this film from their individual pages.

Nancy Dover and Nelson McDowell's pages are both missing the film completely.

Jack Hill's page mislists the film as a French-language version.
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Subject: Office boy in "Smithy."


Author:
Brad (Filippone)
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Date Posted: Fri, August 12 2022, 16:40:10

I'm curious as to the identity of the young actor playing the office boy in the Stan Laurel solo comedy, "Smithy." It's a fairly important part, as it is his error that puts Smithy (Stan) in charge of the construction and he's in at least four scenes. But there is no mention of him on this site's page for the film, not even to list him as Unknown. Any idea who he is?
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Subject: MERTA STERLING: artist's model in love with a murderer!


Author:
JARVIS---Chicago (Delighted)
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Date Posted: Fri, August 12 2022, 4:34:49

MERTA STERLING:
https://www.lordheath.com/menu1_709.html


Censuses, City Directories, & newspaper accounts with addresses leave no doubt that actress Myrtle Sterling was born in 1882 (not 1883) in Wisconsin to William Sterling Norrie and his wife Elizabeth (Lizzie) as their only child, our subject here. 
The 1900 June 3rd p.8 of the "Chicago Tribune" has her photo and describes her: "Miss Norrie is exceptionally good-looking.....Mr. Rutledge used to paint her standing up and sitting down and in many other poses----usually with the door half open so that inquisitive policemen (and her girlfriend, Miss Dwyer)  might look in and see what a hardworking artist Mr. Rutledge was."

It all started several years earlier when 2 young inexperienced thieves, Mr. Rutledge and Mr. Rice met in prison in Colorado doing 5 year stints. When they got out, they joined up with Mr. Jones, hooked up with a Chicago ring of thieves and burglars and operated throughout the city and surrounding States. They pulled off burglaries and an armed robbery of a post office in Toronto, Canada. They fled to Chicago and were suspected by Toronto and Chicago police but there was not enough evidence to identify them or put them in jail for other activities.
In Chicago, the young burglars became good at their "jobs" and lived well and dressed to the "hilt" in expensive London-made suits. The police referred to them as "gentleman burglars": society men by day and burglars by night.

Mr. Rutledge decided they should open an "atelier" (artist's studio) to "throw off" the police. They rented a studio in a nice area of Chicago and ran an ad for "artist models". Myrtle Norrie and her friend Miss Dwyer replied (with parental permission) and Myrtle was selected out of all the applicants. She and her friend both worked as relatively low-paid telephone operators. Myrtle was supporting her Mom and invalid Dad who had worked as a steward and cook. He died in April of 1901 after having lived in Chicago since 1885. She expected to supplement her income.

Both young women (aged 18 & 17) fell in love with Rutledge and Rice. They were wined and dined at fancy restaurants and stage plays and showered with jewelry (stolen?) and expensive gifts. Myrtle even introduced Mr. Rutledge and Mr. Rice to her parents and they found them quite acceptable even tho they were in their early 30's. Both proposed marriage (already married) and gave them expensive diamond rings. The girls wrote passionate love letters when the men "were out of town painting portraits on commission".

It all "hit the fan" in April 1900 when the men's "wives" in Toronto "got wind of" their husbands' involvement with the younger women. Jealous, Rutledge's wife, Louise, informed the Toronto police of his involvement in the Canadian robberies and the addresses of where he could be found. The Chicago police had enough to raid the studio and men's residence. They found a trunk full of burglary tools, fine dress clothes and Myrtle's love letters. They informed Myrtle and she went into denial until she spotted "the wives" visiting the husbands in jail. After confronting Rutledge, he still professed his love to her.

The 3 men successfully fought extradition to Canada for 9 months with an expensive lawyer, all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court but finally lost. Their "wives" visited them almost every day. In early April of 1901, the 3 "husbands" were to be transferred to Canada by train. The 3 "wives" suspiciously shadowed the police station. The Chicago cops subdued and arrested them when they made a ruckus. They held them until the men were put on the train to Toronto and then released the women. One newspaper has drawings of the men who all used aliases.

In early June of 1901 in Canada, the men were acquitted of one robbery and were being transferred by horse-drawn cab in handcuffs and leg shackles to another courthouse with two armed guards. Someone (or 2) men (or women) dressed in black clothes ran alongside the cab. "He" tossed (2 or 3) pistols into the cab. Rutledge shot one guard thru the back of his head, killing him instantly and the second guard was severely wounded in the thigh. The fugitives jumped out and commandeered a passing cable car. Jones held a gun to the head of the motorman who quickly pulled off the steering arm and brained him. The conductor quickly disconnected the electrical arms and stopped the car. Passersby and police subdued the criminals. The accomplice(s) escaped. Jones died a day later from his injuries. Hopeless, while in jail, Rutledge committed suicide by jumping from a 5th floor on to concrete and smashed his "brains out" a few days later.
 
Rice was hanged in Toronto in July 1902. His wealthy Champaign, Illinois family almost went bankrupt trying to save his life to no avail. His Mom bought the most expensive ("golden") coffin in Toronto to accompany his body back home to Illinois.

Myrtle and her Mom "disappear" from the "records" until May of 1909 when Myrtle shows up in Chicago to visit her Mom who is working as a housemaid for a wealthy merchant and Myrtle gets arrested in a police raid at 4 AM in a whorehouse in the red light district wearing 5 expensive diamond rings. She gave a fake name and told the judge that she would go to jail before revealing her real name. Reporters recognized her as Myrtle Norrie. She said she married a wealthy Los Angeles theater manager in August 1908 and didn't want his name involved. She went out all night partying with a girlfriend and didn't want to go home drunk. She just wanted to get some sleep and the friend directed her to the address where she went and got a bed. She didn't know it was a whore house until the police raid. She did nothing wrong and the diamond rings were a gift from her husband so the judge released her and told her to go back to her husband in LA.
(I couldn't confirm a marriage).

In his wonderfully expansive book, "Slapstick Divas", Steve Massa quotes a 1917 fan magazine publicity blurb about Myrtle that says 8 years before her first movie role, she had been working as a telephone operator for a vaudeville producing company and talked her way into a starring role in a popular play. She was a success and after that play ended, she started a career as actor/singer/dancer on her own. (I haven't been able to confirm this publicity blurb). A 1920 newspaper blurb says she is a 300 lb. comedienne and a few weeks later, another newspaper blurb says she is 250 lbs.. Paraphrasing Myrtle, when people asked about her weight, she wouldn't say but answer with "you wouldn't believe me if I told you".

Sometime, (unconfirmed) about 1913, Myrtle's Mom married a successful Los Angeles cattle trader, Frederick H. Butchers. By 1915 all three were living in the house he owned at 1129 Logan. The women lived there until their deaths in 1944 and 1945. Fred Butchers had committed suicide in 1925 by drowning himself in Echo Lake in Echo Park in LA!

From 1938 thru her death in 1944, Myrtle gives her profession as "nurse". The death certificate says she died March 15th (not March 14th) of "chronic myocardial degeneration due to arteriosclerosis".

Sources for this information will eventually be posted at Merta Sterling's Hall of Fame Page mini-biography.
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Subject: Charles Dorety's count


Author:
Jesse (23, 24, ...)
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Date Posted: Sun, July 31 2022, 15:09:19

The Top 274 page says he has 23 Roach credits, but the Roach counter on his page says 24...

In counting to see which was correct, I discovered that the actual number is... 25.
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Subject: A Couple of Observations


Author:
Tommie Hinterwalderz (Live-Pan)
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Date Posted: Mon, July 25 2022, 8:01:29

Merta Sterling is the Traffic Woman in YEARS TO COME. Poor Merta, she had starred in her own two-reelers at Universal and L-ko, now reduced to subsequent bits. The Father Pushing Pram and the Neighbor I strongly believe to be Wallace Howe.

Regarding Martha Sleeper in WISE GUYS PERFER BRUNETTES, the recording going around of WGPB is from a 16mm reduction print. There appears to have been a scene where some women in bathing suits frolic around a pond. Martha is in still 2 and 3. Perhaps the bathing suits caused the mammalia to cast too much shadow and the scenes were cut out of the reduction negative as these 16mm prints were marketed toward families, churches, and schools.
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Subject: 2 more for Ed?


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Sun, July 17 2022, 16:04:16

From what little we can see of his profile, I feel pretty good about Ed Brandenburg being the other ambulance man in PASS THE GRAVY (alongside brother Chet).

Also, positive that's Ed in the crowd at the end of WRONG AGAIN, standing near Charlie Hall and dressed in what looks like a chauffeur's uniform. (Maybe that was him driving Josephine Crowell home?)
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Subject: GOOD MORNING JUDGE - Plaintiff


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Wed, June 29 2022, 10:18:30

Pretty sure that's Molly Thompson.
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Subject: Title cards in "Sure-Mike"


Author:
Brad (Filippone)
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Date Posted: Mon, June 27 2022, 19:51:10

In your review of "Sure-Mike" you say during Martha Sleeper's wild ride that she "makes a couple more comments towards the absent Mike (couldn't see what in the print I viewed)"

I have just obtained a copy of the DVD Hal Roach Rarities. I can read those title cards on the print that is included. Her comments are "Don't run into a policeman -- They're so unreasonable" and "This is our street -- We turn here."

I have to say I was not familiar with Martha Sleeper, but from this one film she seems to be quite the acrobat plus she has some hilarious facial expressions.

Brad
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Subject: THE FALL GUY


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Mon, June 06 2022, 14:16:07

While Bill Hauber is indeed in the film, I was just skimming through the film and it turns out, Larry's driver is actually Pete Gordon.
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Subject: Max and Gaylord


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Sat, June 04 2022, 13:39:25

On Max Hamburger's page, the link to HIS ROYAL SLYNESS says FROM HAND TO MOUTH again.

On Gaylord Lloyd's page:
- CAPTAIN KIDD'S KIDS is mislisted as a 1920 release (should be 1919) and should be in between ORDER IN THE COURT and IT'S A HARD LIFE
- He has the wrong character listed for HAUNTED SPOOKS
- MERELY A MAID is mislisted as MERRILY A MAID
- THE LUCKY NUMBER has the Snub icon; should be Gaylord's series icon
- Lastly, there is the issue of just how many credits on the page are actually correct, and the same question regarding some of the early credits on Charley Chase's page; wondering if both Gaylord and Charley were mistaken for Eddie Boland at some point?
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Subject: Katherine Grant In The Shower in THE BAKERY?


Author:
Tommie Hicks (Intense Rigor)
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Date Posted: Thu, June 02 2022, 14:45:38

I think its Katherine Grant in the shower in Larry Semon's THE BAKERY. Whadda you guys think? Look at the bluray version if you have one.

The other day I was watching my 16mm print of Harry Langdon's HIS MARRIAGE WOW and I saw Dorothy Coburn as the prospective widowed sister in law of Harry. There's no credit for her on the great IMDB.

I can't understand why Dorothy didn't catch on at Sennett. I'm glad she didn't as I think her work for Roach was first rate.
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Subject: The "Send Jesse a Bakewell" petition


Author:
Lord (it's come to this!)
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Date Posted: Thu, June 02 2022, 8:53:54

Okay, in my stupidity this evening I managed to completely wipe out the previous thread by accident (I clicked the wrong button). But the gist of it was Jesse had submitted spotting Sam Lufkin in every Hal Roach film ever made. So I had to intervene and advise him to seek some form of treatment for his obvious mental exhaustion. He then went on to try and change the subject to his new obsession of Don Maines. Now he's seeing Maines in every Hal Roach film ever made as well.
Poor Jesse, he's lost the plot!

Could all the readers of this forum please offer to donate a cherry bakewell to Jesse. You can send it to ME, and I'll promise - really promise that I'll pass them on to him....


....in due course.

Poor Jesse. Such a nice guy. It shouldn't have happened to him. So young.


PS. Genuine apologies for wiping off the last post on here. Complete accident. I'm getting old. And hungry. And my mountain boots are trying to walk out the door without me in them.....

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Subject: 45 Mins from Hollywood (Extras)


Author:
Ian Tiso
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Date Posted: Thu, May 19 2022, 19:28:35

Hi

I know my reputation is now a little tarnished after the Danny Jackson error, but I was wondering if you and your other contibutors would like to have a look at this picture from the film 45 Minutes from Hollywood (1926)

https://forgottenactors.blogspot.com/2022/05/unidentified-ensemble.html

I have been going through some of the actresses on your site to see if I can identify the bystanders in this scene. I am just toying with these suggestions at the moment and wouldn't want to put false identification on your site again.

On the far left I think it is Helen Gilmore.
Poking her head between a man and a tall woman it could be Dorothy Cassil (although she looks like so many other actresses).
And the lady in the dark hat with the three children in front of her looks like Clara B. Anderson.

What do you think?

Ian
Subject: Danny Jackson


Author:
Ian Tiso (Sorry - Misidentified)
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Date Posted: Thu, May 19 2022, 18:35:41

Hi

I ashamed to say I misidentified Danny Jackson in Zenobia. I recently obtained the DVD with a much clearer picture and watched as he turned his head. The only thing that looks right is his hair style and everything else is not right.

Sorry about that.

I am removing that entry from my own blog.

Ian Tiso
Subject: FOR SAFE KEEPING unIDs


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Sun, May 15 2022, 13:24:26

With his overall build (especially the legs) and what I can make out of the profile, the delivery man is giving me Al Forbes vibes.

The cell mate looks like Owen Evans, but looks a hair too washed out for me to be sure.

Watched a clip on YouTube which featured the lorry driver, and he looked to me like Marvin Loback.

Lastly, "identification" is misspelled in the acknowledgements.
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Subject: Incorrect link


Author:
Brad (Filippone)
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Date Posted: Fri, May 06 2022, 23:03:06

On the Laurel and Hardy page, the link for The Second 100 Years goes to Duck Soup.
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Subject: SAPS AT SEA unIDs


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Wed, May 04 2022, 21:19:48

...... 9 -- Pat Lane
.... 10 -- Jack Egan?
13/15 -- Chuck Callahan
.... 25 -- Sam Lufkin
26/35 -- Jack Raymond
.... 28 -- Ed Brady
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Subject: WHAT PRICE GOOFY? unIDs


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Sun, April 24 2022, 14:12:28

The girl is Kathleen Collins.

I believe the cop is Robert Page.

The link below lists/confirms Kathleen in the cast:
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/678209381/ (Los Angeles Record, 11 Apr 1925)
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Subject: YOU SAID A HATFUL!


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Thu, April 21 2022, 21:03:11

Something I never caught until I saw the film for myself...

Your screenshot of Dorothy Appleby depicts the wrong character/actress; Dorothy's character doesn't show up until later in the film. That's actually Carol Hughes in the current screenshot.
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Subject: Corliss Palmer


Author:
Jennifer Redmond ((Corliss Palmer's biographer))
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Date Posted: Tue, April 12 2022, 21:08:02

I'd be happy to update your Corliss Palmer page if you're so inclined! It's kind of sad as it is now.
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Subject: Rosemary Theby


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Mon, April 11 2022, 11:57:14

After looking at it a little closer, I am not longer certain that that is Rosemary Theby as the dinner guest in THE SECOND 100 YEARS.

Looking at all the films surrounding it in her filmography, it looks like she was still playing prominent credited roles in some feature films at that time, compared to the uncredited bit/ensemble role here. Plus comparing the profile to other photos, the nose on the woman in YEARS looks smoother and the angle of its bridge less "steep" (like it starts at a lower point on her face); Rosemary's nose has a slight bump and it seems the angle of the bridge is a bit "steeper" (like it starts at a higher point).
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Subject: Re: Dorothy Coburn Speaks?


Author:
Ian Tiso (Still intrigued)
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Date Posted: Sun, April 10 2022, 23:49:38

So does Dorothy speak in Modern Love (1929)?

Ian (formerly on here as Bobby!)
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Subject: RADIO MAD unIDs


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Tue, March 22 2022, 14:37:42

Sure looks like Sam Lufkin at far right.
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Subject: RUSHIN' BALLET unIDs


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Sat, March 19 2022, 20:30:14

The cellist is Helen Servis.

Could that possibly be Ham Kinsey behind #6?

#8 being Campanaro seems to check out, compared to other screenshots and photos.
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Subject: ZENOBIA unIDs again


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Wed, March 16 2022, 13:52:47

#12 is Sydney Jarvis. Not sure why I felt iffy on that one last time.

#13 is Jack Egan again.

Feeling much better on #41 being Leila McIntyre, and better but less so on #42 being Laura Treadwell. Are they addressed by the character names given above?

#80 appears to be Edward McWade as the minister.

#87 is Joe Cunningham, minus the glasses.

After comparisons to a few other photos, I feel better on #94 being Luke Cosgrave.
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Subject: THE ROGUE SONG?


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Wed, March 16 2022, 12:05:34

Me thinks it moved...
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Subject: HELLEN: the 1st Mrs HAL ROACH


Author:
JARVIS---Chicago (Delighted)
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Date Posted: Mon, March 14 2022, 7:36:19

Helen Grant Roach was never an actress so she does not have an ANM "Hall of Fame" page.

The popular histories of the Rolin Studios usually say that in addition to the inherited money of Dwight Whiting, Roach used a small "inheritance" to start the studio, but they never say who died and willed it to Roach. The answer is his first wife, Hellen Grant Duncan Woodbury.

Hellen (also Helen) was born in June of 1865 in Calumet, Michigan (the Upper Peninsula): a rich iron and copper mining region. There she married Frederick E. Woodbury (1862-1914), a civil engineer from New Hampshire. He prospered and became prominent in the mining industry. He rose to VP and General Manager of the Schlesinger Syndicate of Milwaukee, President of the Woodbury Refinery and the Milwaukee Coke and Gas Co..

By 1910 (Census), Fred & Helen were separated: he, (alone) in Milwaukee in a residential hotel: she, (alone) in Los Angeles in the house she owned(mortgaged) at 1624 Van Ness Ave. with 3 bedrooms and 1 bath. They had no children.

January 1914, Fred was killed in Ironwood, Michigan in a mining accident at one of the mines he was inspecting for his company. His body was returned to NH for burial.

July 1914 Rolin Film Co. incorporated by Roach, Linthicum, & Nance: $10,000 capital stock: $300 subscribed.

October 1914, in LA, Helen married Harry E. Roach, a "Motion Picture Film Mfg.". They both resided at 1624 Van Ness 
Ave.. He was  22 and she was 47.

May 1915, "Harry Roach" was working as a "director for Essanay Film Mfg. Co.".

A newspaper blurb of Jan. 29, 1916 reported that Mrs. Helen G Roach had $2600 worth of jewelry stolen from her house. She discovered the loss last night "....after returning from an evening's entertainment with a friend". The next day the paper reported she had told the sheriff that she and an actor (not named) had dined at a beach cafe and he must have drugged her because while he was driving her home, she passed out and had to be taken to her bed by 2 house servants. Early this morning "on gaining consciousness, she discovered her loss. She accused her companion of the theft. When officers arrived at a hotel where he had lived, they found he was no longer in the house." (actor not named).

April 15, 1916, Jimmie Blyler & Dave Combs open & manage "The Lodge Cafe & Hotel" in Seal Beach. A very large night & day club and hotel. Blyler is an actor at Rolin Studio. Helen Roach invests $14,500 with Blyler & Combs in "The Lodge".

May 4, 1916 Helen died at home in LA under a doctor's care after fighting bronchial pneumonia for almost 3 weeks.

Jul. 13, 1916 Harry Roach, admin of Helen's estate brings "amicable suit" to determine ownership of "The Lodge". Against James B. Blyler and Dave Combs.

Sept. 29, 1916 Harry Roach marries actress Marguerite O. Nichols.

Nov. 24, 1916 Harry E Roach & Dave N Combs sued for $600 back rent or lose possession of "The Lodge".  Roach is Adm for Helen's estate.

Jul. 16,   1917 Dave Combs arrested for embezzling $342 from Helen's estate & disturbing the peace.  Roach is Adm for Helen's estate.

Nov. 10,  1917 Probate Judge appoints referee for Helen's $150,000 estate. It seems the heirs and certain creditors cannot agree.

Sources:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-68JQ-8SD?i=83&cc=1452395  1887 Marriage in Calumet, MI.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/7941834/frederick-elwell-woodbury  1914 Woodbury grave NH.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/21843488/helen-g.-roach  1916 Helen Roach grave: Forest Lawn, Glendale.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MV2B-1QK  1910 Census LA  Helen Woodbury .

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MPVJ-39K   1910 Census Milw WI: Fred Woodbury .

https://www.newspapers.com/image/174259855/?terms=%22FRED%20WOODBURY%22&match=1  1914 Obit: NH: Fred E. Woodbury .

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939Z-BJ9H-5T?i=573&cc=1804002  1914 Oct: Marriage License: LA .

https://www.newspapers.com/image/678146080/?terms=%22HARRY%20ROACH%22&match=1  1915 May 21: Roach works at Essanay .

https://www.newspapers.com/image/380628387/?terms=%22helen%20roach%22&match=1  1916 Jan 30: Drugged & robbed by actor.

https://www.newspapers.com/image/608106308/?terms=%22lodge%20cafe%20and%20hotel%22&match=1  1916 Apr: Blyler opens Lodge .

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9SV-4CBS?i=1067&cc=2001287  1916 May 4: LA Death Certificate Helen G. Roach .

https://www.newspapers.com/image/72282649/?terms=%22helen%20roach%22&match=1 1916 Jul: $14,500 invested in Seal Bch Lodge .

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8ZB-PXV 1916 Sep 29 LA: Marguerite Olive Nichols marries Harry Eugene Roach .

https://www.newspapers.com/image/72279232/?terms=%22helen%20roach%22&match=1 1916 Nov: $600 suit for Lodge rent .

https://www.newspapers.com/image/74395550/?terms=%22helen%20roach%22&match=1 1917 Jul: $242 embezzle: Combs arrest .

https://www.newspapers.com/image/380363853/?terms=%22helen%20roach%22&match=1 1917 Nov 10: referee for $150,000 estate .
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Subject: Muriel Evans / Hollywood Party (1934, MGM)


Author:
Lord
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Date Posted: Tue, March 08 2022, 9:44:32

I am looking to identify the beautiful Muriel Evans in the film Hollywood Party (1934, MGM). The relevance is that the film appears on the site, and therefore her page as it features Laurel & Hardy.

I looked at this shot and think she may be the girl in the middle. The mouth looks right to me. I consulted with Richard W. Bann and he tells me he thinks it could be the girl on the right. I disagree, but he knew her personally so I have to take into consideration that he would know better than me.

Any thoughts or opinions? It could be that she appears later in the film and I just haven't seen her yet?
Subject: COLLARS AND CUFFS / SOLID IVORY


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Mon, February 14 2022, 23:13:53

Was skimming through this short earlier today and caught Chet Brandenburg as one of the policemen. He can be best seen once they pull Owen Evans out of the washer. I think Al Ochs could be the taller of the two pedestrians trying to help up George Rowe, but kinda hard to tell.

Going back to SOLID IVORY again: Ralph Ceder's name is misspelled in the info at the top. Also, after noticing the height of the referee in the screenshot with the synopsis, and doing some quick comparisons to Al Ochs' other film appearances (especially his appearance as one of the McHungry sons in SHORT KILTS), I feel pretty good about Ochs being the referee (unID #3).
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Subject: BIG MOMENTS FROM LITTLE PICTURES


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Thu, February 10 2022, 18:19:10

Funny enough, Dave - was taking ID notes on this picture a couple nights ago!

In the same "Blood and Sand" crowd that Dick Gilbert is in, Chet Brandenburg is front row far left, and I spotted Charles Lloyd in one of the middle rows (towards the right side) of the same crowd as well.

#24 is definitely Jack Ackroyd. Inclined to agree on Loback. #2 seems too slim and maybe too young to be Grace Woods. #36 looks more to me like Clara Guiol.

In the post-short SCWP commentary, Steve Massa ID'd #29 as Emma Tansey.

#30 is Sam Lufkin, in more or less the same makeup as his role in FULLY INSURED. Sam is also in the "Robin Hood" segment (he can be seen above #26).

He's not in the unIDs, but I'm pretty sure the man in the whitewash, who gears up to throw the brick, is Ed Brandenburg. This photo also reveals Chet and Ed and maybe Jack Ackroyd to be among the Keystone Cops as well.

Also, per the SCWP commentary, the cast & crew titles were taken from UNCENSORED MOVIES. The director of BMFLP was actually Jay A. Howe, and Mohan, Williams and Young do not appear in BMFLP.
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Subject: A few IDs


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Sun, February 06 2022, 17:37:40

HORSESHOES (Larry Semon):
- Turns out, I made an error some time ago -- it turns out the grocer is NOT Dan Crimmins, but in fact, Al Thompson.

A few unIDs that are Budd Fine:
- NOW I'LL TELL ONE: the courtroom spectator who hits Charley
- THE RUMMY: unID at right
- NOTHING BUT TROUBLE (L&H): "Employment hopeful #2" - "a job!"

THEIR PURPLE MOMENT:
- unID #15 looks like Edgar Dearing to me

LOVE PAINS:
- "Party guest #6" is Gordon Douglas again

HOLLYWOOD HANDICAP:
- Typo: "Roberty Montgomery"
- unIDs: brunette at far right is Wanda Perry
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Subject: Go West (Dippy Do Dads)


Author:
Brad Filippone
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Date Posted: Wed, January 26 2022, 13:49:50

The page for the Dippy Do Dads film "Go West" states that it is unavailable on DVD. In point of fact, I was just viewing the Kino release of Buster Keaton's two films "Go West" and "Battling Butler" and the Dippy Do Dads film is included as an extra. It's hard to imagine why, beyond the fact that they have the same title they have little in common. I'm sure there was no thought of including the Marx Brothers films with the same title.
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Subject: Snub Pollard "At the Ringside."


Author:
Brad (Filippone)
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Date Posted: Sun, January 02 2022, 10:16:19

Perhaps this has already been covered in a previous post, but I'll ask anyway. I recently came across a DVD called "Silent Comedy Marathon, volume 2." It includes Pollard's "At the Ringside." When I came to this site after viewing it to see if you had made any comments, I found a message saying that the page for it has been removed. Is this because you're currently working on it?
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Subject: FULLY INSURED


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Fri, December 17 2021, 11:45:27

Agreed on Sammy. I wonder if he'll ever catch up to Snub in the Top Two-Hundred-and-So-On...

Do you think that's also Lufkin in the office with Gillespie and Ackroyd at the end?

Dithering a hair on Ed Brandenburg being the cab driver, but I'm leaning towards no. I wasn't convinced with the screenshot (the nose looked off in particular), though watching the film, I can better see the resemblance and where you're coming from... but I still can't get past the nose which, when faced more towards the camera, seems to have a sharp curve that I've never noticed on Ed's. Ultimately, I feel like if the cab driver were Ed, I would be able to immediately tell.
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Subject: There was a time...The CavemenFlying 'Cavemen'


Author:
K
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Date Posted: Sun, December 12 2021, 12:22:50

some spliced home cinema 'shorts' from Atlas and Kodak of 'Flying Elephants' on Youtube, for those who've not seen them, including the "other 28th card" shown in an short entitled 'The Amazons' @ approx. [2:19]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdBbgNHU47w

Also, 'The Cavemen':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5_phAS-d6E

and 'There Was a Time', in glorius (faked?) sepiatone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q9FXS-JbnI

enjoy!
Subject: ZENOBIA unIDs


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Mon, December 06 2021, 22:41:18

Wowza, Dave! Might be a record for number of unIDs...

2 - Johnny Kascier
4 - Arthur Thalasso?
8 - Sam Lufkin
11 - Bob O'Conor
12 - Sydney Jarvis?
18, 39 - Marjorie Kane
19 - she looks very familiar, trying to figure out where else I've seen her...
30 - maybe Jean Porter?
38 - Jack Egan
41 - Leila McIntyre (?)
42 - Laura Treadwell (?)
67, 100 - Loretta Russell, I think
83 - William Bakewell
89 - dunno but I think he's also in DOUBLE WHOOPEE
90 - Al Thompson
93 - Jessie Arnold
94 - Luke Cosgrave?
102 - Dorothy Vernon
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Subject: Changed Title


Author:
Jack Tillmany
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Date Posted: Thu, November 18 2021, 21:57:23

Films Registered Under the Act
(in both Bioscope & Kinematograph Year Book 1929)
lists THE WEDDING WRING 5 March 1928 as one of the All-Star series, immediately following Pass the Gravy and preceding The Finishing Touch.

This seems to be a change of title; apparently its original USA title was a play on words that failed to carry its meaning across the Atlantic, as did some of them.

Can someone identify the original USA title? Thanks.
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Subject: HIS BUSY DAY


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Fri, November 12 2021, 14:48:12

Been offline for a couple days and am just getting around to this...

- Harry Todd is unID #6.

- unID #3 is Charles Stevenson in a second role.

- William Peterson shows up as the guy who takes over in thrashing Toto, and then gets knocked down by him with the camera.

- I don't think unID #2 is Lige Conley.
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Subject: BROTHERS UNDER THE CHIN


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Wed, November 03 2021, 13:57:24

Ralph Ceder's last name is misspelled at the top. Noah Young's character name is misspelled as well.

Also, all of the cast screenshots are missing from the actors' individual pages.
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Subject: NEAR DUBLIN


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Sat, October 30 2021, 15:19:17

"Sir Patrick, the widow (James Finlayson)..." - shouldn't that be "the widower?"

"...and procedes [should be 'proceeds'] in smashing a chair over his head."

I think that might actually be Fred Karno Jr. as the villager you have ID'd as Charles Lloyd. The structure of the cheekbones in particular looks similar to the other photos I've seen of Karno Jr.

unID #11 is definitely Al Forbes.

Pretty sure unID #9 is Leo Willis again.

Getting a Chris Lynton vibe from unID #5, but I'm not 100% sure.

Don't forget that you also have this excellent still from the Virginia Gilbert collection. You can even make out Glenn Tryon in the back left of the crowd.
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Subject: Bixby


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Mon, October 18 2021, 12:46:01

A "new" player you added is already on the site.

Ardulus Bixby = Arbutus Bixby = Bunny Bixby.
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Subject: Jay Eaton, VAMP TILL READY


Author:
Brent Seguine
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Date Posted: Fri, October 08 2021, 11:38:24

VAMP unidentified # 3 is Jay Eaton.
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Subject: THICKER THAN WATER


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Tue, September 21 2021, 22:38:02

Pretty sure unID #11 is Lew Davis.
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Subject: MADGE KIRBY precise birth info


Author:
JARVIS---Chicago (Delighted)
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Date Posted: Sun, September 19 2021, 16:12:28

https://www.lordheath.com/menu1_277.html

"The NY Dramatic Mirror" April 10, 1912 p.6 in "The Stage Birthdays" column gives her birthday as "April 12".
It showcases various actors born in April.(a monthly column).

Found at the Fulton Postcards site:
https://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

The actual link is very, very long.

The 1891 Census of England gives her precise birth place
as "BRIXTON, LONDON, ENGLAND.
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Subject: ANY OLD PORT!


Author:
Jesse
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Date Posted: Thu, September 16 2021, 11:58:56

That's Sammy at the bottom right of the unIDs ("unknown8").
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Subject: PAULINE HIGH addendum & sources


Author:
JARVIS---Chicago (Delighted)
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Date Posted: Mon, September 13 2021, 17:54:59

https://www.lordheath.com/Pauline_High.html

Family tree researchers claim, without a birth certificate or newspaper reference, that Pauline Cleo Stevens was born in Borden County TX in the unincorporated county seat of Gail. There are no incorporated towns in Borden County. Including Gail, there are 3 towns in the entire county and one has been a "ghost town" since 1965. Borden County is almost the size of the State of Rhode Island!

Pauline's Dad, Cleburne Stevens (1881-1963) worked on the railroad. His parents had an established farm in the vicinity of Gail where they were married in 1906. Pauline was the first born of her 5 sisters and 2 brothers. About 1913 the family moved with the Dad's railroad job until he settled down to farming in the 1920's in Garza county taking his parents with. By 1930 he worked as a butcher, settling near Amarillo.

Pauline had left for California about 1927/28. In LA, July of 1929, she married George L.High. He owned a dry-cleaning establishment and she was listed as "actress" Pauline Stevens in the LA City Directory. They resided in Santa Monica where Pauline won 3rd place in a bathing beauty contest for "Miss Hollywood" in August 1931.

Before 1940, they were separated. She was in LA ("married") as a movie "extra" and he was living in Monterey in a hotel with his brother operating a dry-cleaning business. In September of 1942 he enlisted in the Army as "separated: no dependents". He and his brother operated the dry-cleaning concession at Ft. Lewis, Tacoma, WA. The couple probably separated before 1935. The Census indicates that he was living in NV and she in CA in 1935. Evidently they never divorced nor re-married. He died in OR in 1962 (born 1903).

The Santa Maria CA Times, March 6, 1937 (p.8) carried a syndicated column about film extras, particularly females working in the movie "A Star is Born". Pauline is one of those quoted:

"One girl, Pauline High, working on Selznick International's "A Star Is Born," which is itself a story of Hollywood and motion pictures, has been playing in bit parts and as an extra for more than three years. During that time she has worked in no less than 100 pictures.
In telling her story, Miss High said she came to California chiefly to get away from Amarillo, Texas, and had no thought of entering pictures.
'I had lived in Hollywood almost six years before I worked in my first picture. I'd heard of the heartbreaks that went with the business,so I resolved to stay completely out of it,' she said.
'One day, though, a friend of mine convinced me that the screen was badly in need of my talents, which was a bad mistake; but anyway I took a bit part. I've been at it ever since.'
A lovely brunette, Miss High averred that her ambition was some day to play "exotic" roles.'But don't get me wrong,' she continued, 'After three years I realize how slender my chances are to succeed, and I tell myself continually that it is merely a method of making a living. If I looked at it from any other angle I should probably make myself very unhappy.' ".

Sources:

1910 Census TX Borden https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2MT-B9X?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=LBP5-BFF .

1920 Census TX Garza Co., https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHT1-3HF .

1929 LA City Directory: see p. 2037: "actor": res. Highland Ave.https://rescarta.lapl.org/ResCarta-Web/jsp/RcWebImageViewer.jsp?doc_id=040428be-8b21-4de1-9b1e-3421068c0f1c/LPU00000/LL000003/00000001 .

1929 Jul LA marriage to George L. High.https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L93H-48WH?i=1021&cc=1804002 .

1930 Census Santa Monica, CA.https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCDQ-9K4 .

1930 LA City Directory. see p. 1140: clothes cleaner: res. Carrillo Dr.:https://rescarta.lapl.org/ResCarta-Web/jsp/RcWebImageViewer.jsp?doc_id=040428be-8b21-4de1-9b1e-3421068c0f1c/cl000000/20150604/00000003 .

1931 Aug 24 "LA Daily News"  p.17 takes 3rd place in "Miss Hollywood" bathing contest in Santa Monica.https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=DNLA19310824.1.17&srpos=2&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN-%22pauline+high%22-------1 .

1937 Mar 6  "Santa Maria CA Times" p.8: interview of movie extra girls:https://www.newspapers.com/image/629889157/?terms=%22pauline%20high%22&match=1 .

1940 Census LA: Pauline High: "married": completed 3 yrs. HS: MotPic Extra: earned $1,000: 1935 res. LA:https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9CF-4YH .

1940 Census CA Monterey: George High: "single": 4 yrs HS: clothes cleaner: earned $600: 1935 res. Boulder City, NV:https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K94Q-W4H .

1942 Feb 14 WA Tacoma: George High: "Young Mens' Draft Card".https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/2238/images/44045_05_00015-03386?pId=36937457 .

1942 Sep 5 WA Tacoma: George High: Army enlistment: dry-cleaner Ft. Lewis.https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8BH-DH1?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=G9QM-556 .

1994 Jan 9 LA: Pauline High death record CADI.https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPJN-2PB?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=LBP5-BFF .

1994 Jan 9 LA: Pauline High gave with bio: age 86: findagrave.https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/157745609/pauline-high .

1962 Oct 26 OR: George L. High grave: no bio: age 59: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/61991484/george-l-high .
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Subject: Marvin Hatley - Pick a Star


Author:
Ian Tiso (Fussy about these things)
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Date Posted: Sun, September 12 2021, 20:41:10

Hi

Looking at the picture of Marvin Hatley in Pick a Star he appears to be playing an oboe and not a clarinet. I have never seen the film. I'm only going by the pic you have.
Ian
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Subject: Ned Norman


Author:
Anonymous
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Date Posted: Sat, September 11 2021, 19:06:27

Ned Norman is born in 1931 in New York and he is possibly still living as of February 28, 2019 and his full name is Norman Willner.

Ned Norman is an actor in the "Our Gang" comedy short, "Waldo's Last Stand."

It is according to websites:
https://ourgang.fandom.com/wiki/Waldo%27s_Last_Stand, https://www.ancestry.com/search/?name=Norman_Willner&event=_Los+Angeles+County-California&count=50&event_x=_1-0&name_x=1_1, and http://gnothe.net/moth_listings/act_files/actors_w.htm.

Thank you very much.
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