With all due respect, Jimbo, let's get real here on that statement from Coach Clawson. Of course he doesn't want Fordham to join the A-10 - do you think he wants to see us go down to Richmond with full scholarships and kick his butt? If we move up, it makes him look like he made a lateral move. No coach wants people to think he made a questionable decision. If we stay in the PL, it makes him look like a took a step up. His comment was purely from a subjective, personal standpoint. He's looking out for #1, namely - himself. -- FORDHAM RAMS FOOTBALL FORUM

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Subject: With all due respect, Jimbo, let's get real here on that statement from Coach Clawson. Of course he doesn't want Fordham to join the A-10 - do you think he wants to see us go down to Richmond with full scholarships and kick his butt? If we move up, it makes him look like he made a lateral move. No coach wants people to think he made a questionable decision. If we stay in the PL, it makes him look like a took a step up. His comment was purely from a subjective, personal standpoint. He's looking out for #1, namely - himself.

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Date Posted: 18:30:01 11/09/04 Tue
In reply to: Jimbo CBA'72 's message, "Interesting but let me share Coach C's thoughts. I posed same q to him at the recruiting reception (he had already announced his depart for Rich). He thinks such a move would be a big mistake. One: FU has nothing in common with most of these schools whereas we share a common commit to academics with the PL. Second, he doesn't believe current administration would ever commit to the upgrade in facilities needed to compete year in and year out with A-10. He thinks field turf, visitor stands and better locker rooms are enough to keep us competitive in PL" on 17:26:06 11/09/04 Tue

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I was there as well. Dave Clawson was being forthright with his answer. He did not have, as you put it,, "a subjective personal standpoint. . .looking out for #1, namely himself." Why the attack against him? Because he disagrees with you? We know and respect Dave. His was not a casual statement but his good faith assessment of the Fordham situation.. We have no idea who you are, Rambacker, and what your credentials are. Care to elighten us? (NT) believes Clawson 20:07:02 11/09/04 Tue

That rant from Rambacker has got to be the most preposterous, immature comment I've ever read on this board. No one is that paranoid. Besides, who would be in a better position to comment on a move to the A-10, and whose opinion carries more weight, Clawson or Rambacker? Gee, let me think for a second.... (NT) -- Maroon, 21:31:41 11/09/04 Tue
It's naive to take Coach C's comments as being in Fordham's best interests. For those of us who know him, we're keenly aware that, even though he did a great job of building our program, he's very adept at watching out for himself. Ask his former players. If you think he wants to see Fordham as a full scholarship program going to Richmond & kicking butt, you're wrong. We all know what he did for Fordham, but let's be practical & realistic. We need to do what's best for Fordham, not take the advice of a coach who has left the program & has another agenda. Let's look out for Fordham first. (NT) -- Rambacker, 21:47:12 11/09/04 Tue

I was there during that conversation and I agree with Rambacker. Clawson had moved on to another agenda at that point and had his own interests at heart when he made his comments. At that point, he did not know that Fr. McShane would be making the enhancements he's making(FieldTurf, new locker room, scoreboard, etc.) but he has always been good at looking out for his own interests(not to demean the tremendous job he did at Fordham). Going scholarship 1-AA would be great for Fordham. (NT) -- '69, 10:56:10 11/10/04 Wed
Last week in a university-wide forum, Fr. Joe flatly stated that there would be no changes for FB. Additionally he is putting pressure on Admissions to reject recruits that don't meet the higher profile of the general population in the last few years. Obviously Fr. McShane agrees with Coach Clawson as well. (NT) -- FU-worker, 11:17:43 11/10/04 Wed

Just talked to someone who attended that forum and they have a different take. They said Fr. Joe hedged his comment by saying "at this time". Doesn't sound that "flat" to me. We'll see what the future brings. (NT) -- Rambacker, 14:18:32 11/10/04 Wed

And what would his former players say....this should be good. (NT) -- Ramadama, 13:40:29 11/10/04 Wed

Why don't you ask them. You'll get an earful. (NT) -- Rambacker, 14:16:07 11/10/04 Wed

You're full of crap. There may be a few players who weren't thrilled with him so what? That really was a low blow on your part. (NT) -- Ramadama, 14:25:43 11/10/04 Wed

They guys who didn't play didn't like him.... shocker. (NT) -- Guy, 16:46:04 11/10/04 Wed
You really don't have a clue. It's not a low blow at all. I have tremendous respect for Clawson and believe we owe him a lot for building our program from ground zero. But any coach is going to do what they need to do to get ahead. If you think he was thinking purely in terms of what's best for Fordham and not for himself since he had already left Fordham, then you need to get a grip on reality. (NT) -- Rambacker, 17:08:47 11/10/04 Wed

No, you're making it sound like there was widespread mistrust of the guy. The guy left for a better job, get over it. He's moved on and he gave his opinion of where the program has the best future. Anything that happens at Fordham now doesn't effect his career one way or another. It was a low blow. (NT) -- Ramadama, 17:21:13 11/10/04 Wed

You're twisting the clearly stated meaning of my post, which was to state the obvious. That any coach after he leaves a job is looking ahead, not back and has his own interests at heart first and foremost. There was no intent on my part to "make it sound like there was widespread distrust" of Coach Clawson. You need to get a grip on reality here and not overblow things to fit your position on the subject. (NT) -- Rambacker, 17:58:04 11/10/04 Wed