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Subject: much depends upon future facilities!

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Date Posted: 13:28:36 03/08/05 Tue
In reply to: PA Ram 's message, "Where do you want to see Fordham football in 5 years? ... how about 10?" on 09:17:07 03/08/05 Tue

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Nice dreams but the CAA has 12 teams already. Why would they EVER want to expand? IF they were it would be for current CAA members like ODU. Finally, why would FU ever want to associate itself with a southern league, not to mention travel costs? The PL isn't stopping FU from being a premier I-AA program. Upgrade the facilities, get the best coaches and increase the budget. You have a chance for long term success in the PL. In the CAA, you're hoping for .500 seasons each year and never seeing the playoffs. (NT) colgate13 13:57:07 03/08/05 Tue

You are uninformed. The CAA will not be a "southern league". Half the schools will be north of Wash.DC. And we don't need to increase our budget - we already have a CAA/A-10 level budget. Fordham will never be a consistent winner without full rides. Playing in the PL with need-based aid is a rooler coaster and we've had enough of that already over the last 20 years. Finally, the CAA will take us in a heartbeat and that's a fact. I'd check your facts before you jump to conclusions on our board. (NT) -- Rambacker, 18:21:13 03/08/05 Tue

Re: Don't think of full rides as a panacea. Many A-10 schools ride the "roller coaster" even with scholarships. Richmond is one example; URI is another. Hofstra may be a third, based on the recent decline of its program. (NT) -- Go...'gate, 19:37:50 03/08/05 Tue

Competing with need-based aid puts too much onus on the quality of the coach. Having full rides will allow for a consistent level of talent, no matter who the coach is. The Patriot League has served its purpose for Fordham - namely to allow for the transition to 1-AA. Now it's time to move up and have a program that supports our mission as a university. (NT) -- Rambacker, 21:58:22 03/08/05 Tue

You just hit the nail on the head Rambacker. Its time to move onward and upward. (NT) -- CKRAM98, 08:55:07 03/09/05 Wed
Not really. Coming from Dick Biddle's mouth many times: financial aid isn't the problem with getting recruits. It's admission. There are plenty of players out there that can be recruited with need based aid but can they be admitted, even with football support, to Fordham? That's the biggest hurdle. (NT) -- colgate13, 09:03:39 03/09/05 Wed

The majority of coaches will tell you that recruiting with full rides is much easier than recruiting with need-based aid. And interestingly, because the offer is so much more attractive with scholarships, in many cases you end up with better student-athletes-meaning players that are better students. (NT) -- Rambacker, 13:46:19 03/09/05 Wed

I had a conversation with a PL coach recently about a recruit out of my high school in FL. He said that while that school has many outstanding players he normally cannot get anywhere with them b/c they come from middle to upper class families. You are absolutely right, recruiting for non-scholarship is definitely harder, there is no doubt about that. (NT) -- J�Dete93, 17:45:40 03/09/05 Wed

How does affiliating ourselves with more big state schools in the CAA than we have now in the PL as well as starting to offer scholarships better "support our mission as a university"? (NT) -- PA Ram, 09:32:11 03/09/05 Wed

The media coverage footprint for the CAA is much larger than the Patriot League. It will reach from Virginia to Maine and will provide much more television/print exposure. This is a region in which we recruit students heavily. The Patriot League is limited to PA, Hamilton, NY and Worcester, MA. Plus playing William and Mary, Richmond, Nova, Delawar, etc. provides good academic partners. And I believe Holy Cross will go CAA if we do. (NT) -- Rambacker, 13:50:54 03/09/05 Wed

What about GT in DC? Why do you believe HC would be interested in CAA? (NT) -- DamnRam, 14:30:15 03/09/05 Wed

The natives(read that alums and students) are restless at HC. They have a 20,000+ seating capacity for their stadium and have had paltry crowds and big problems trying to be competitive without scholarships. There are lots of HC alums that want their football program back. (NT) -- Rambacker, 16:01:26 03/09/05 Wed

But Pres. McFarland and former Pres. Brooks are not inclined to go that route. A group of very vocal alums want it, but it's probably not enough to get the school to change. (NT) -- bfg, 08:01:02 03/10/05 Thu

It's all about the HC Board. I'm told that the holdover Brooks supporters on the board there are dwindling and being replaced by people who may want a change. There are many lobbying. When was the last time HC had a winning football record? Stay tuned on that one. (NT) -- Rambacker, 10:11:24 03/10/05 Thu
Holy Cross football has to be the last team ANY conference would want right now. No one will be taking them. (NT) -- colgate13, 10:44:52 03/10/05 Thu

Incorrect. HC has a good football tradition and how many 1-AA teams have a 20,000+ stadium? With schollies they can win - without them they can't. (NT) -- Rambacker, 10:59:31 03/10/05 Thu

Your last post may be true but that will simply help us with marketing Fordham to an expanded geography not better "support our mission as a university." Just my .02. (NT) -- PA Ram, 09:54:07 03/10/05 Thu

My point is that marketing Fordham will be a major part of our future mission, so the expanded footprint serves that purpose. (NT) -- Rambacker, 10:13:12 03/10/05 Thu

sorry to ruffle feathers but I'm not uninformed. The CAA IS a southern league. There are affiliate programs in football that are northern teams, but the league is centered around Virgina. The CAA will not take you "in a heartbeat" to create a 13 team league. Your budget isn't only for scholarship equivalencies. It's for the whole program: recruiting, coaches, etc. Does Foley make as much as Keeler? Doubtful. Your hope that scholarships will magically bring in better players is out of touch. URI, Sac St, SMS, Elon, etc. all have schollies but aren't lighting up the gridiron. (NT) -- colgate13, 09:00:59 03/09/05 Wed

You are in fact uninformed. The northern schools in the CAA will be full-time football league members, not "affiliates". Why has the A-10 had 3 1-AA National Champions over 10 years? Scholarships. Foley will be paid accordingly - not a problem. I suggest you get your facts straight and not stretch them to make a point - the CAA will accept us if we choose to join. That's a fact. I know you want to keep Fordham in the PL but you lose credibility when you are so off on the facts. (NT) -- Rambacker, 13:56:30 03/09/05 Wed

keep telling yourself that. The SoCon's had 3 too. Why not join them? What facts am I stretching? and can you please support your "Fact" that the CAA will accept you. The A-10 would have, the CAA? Nope. Try this thread on for size: http://www.anygivensaturday.com/cgi-bin/board/cutecast.pl?session=S2v3rUT9OLvgFAkDFTqQOMOWIS&forum=4&thread=9197. I'm hardly the minorty here. (NT) -- colgate13, 15:24:49 03/09/05 Wed

Every statement you have posted is incorrect. You have a bad case of wishful thinking. And get your own sources - I'll hold on to mine, thank you. Let's let this play out and then we'll see who has the facts straight. (NT) -- Rambacker, 16:04:24 03/09/05 Wed