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Subject: Amazing fitness center: “lazy river” for jogging against a water current, climbing wall, elevated 1/8-mile jogging track, etc. Boston University is one of Fordham’s direct competitors for students. In fact, its listed by the Princeton Review as one of the schools Fordham students “also apply to”. With the construction of the new fitness center, as well as the arena, the competition has just gotten a lot stiffer. Here’s link to the fitness center’s “features” page -- Click here. Author: ramMan [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 16:31:33 12/20/04 Mon In reply to: DamnRam 's message, "Status on stunning new facilities at BU, Fordham needs to think about response" on 10:38:58 12/20/04 Mon [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date Is this a change of thinking on your part? Aren't you the poster who used to tell us that the administration had all sorts of "mission critical" proposals that took priority over athletic and recreational facilities? Didn't you advise us to stop fantasizing about a new basketball arena or football stadium until we consistently have overflow crowds in the current ones? Have you found the faith? Or am I thinking of someone else? (NT) JCC 20:12:43 12/20/04 Mon Wow. State of the art stuff. Most surveys from students say that recreation facilities are one of the highest priorities they look at when picking a school. As for funding it, if the project is part of an overall capital campaign, 25% of the overall goal would be met during the quiet phase of the campaign and donors can often be prodded to support the president's highest priorities. Most buildings are also financed with some bond money so once the building plans are set and the campaign is underway, a building like this could realistically go up in 3-4 years, barring logistical issues. (NT) An Old Coach 10:18:47 12/21/04 Tue How do you bar logistical issues on a very compact campus where every space is so heavily utilized? (more inside) -- DamnRam, 11:36:44 12/21/04 Tue Big time planning. It can be done. I saw the whole UConn campus be rebuilt in 4 years. Needs comitment and once the plan is set, you move forward, no looking back. I;m no expert but i think the good news is that the terraine on campus would yield few delays. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 18:56:54 12/21/04 Tue Re: Big time planning. It can be done. I saw the whole UConn campus be rebuilt in 4 years. Needs comitment and once the plan is set, you move forward, no looking back. I'm no expert but I think the good news is that the terrain on campus would yield few surprises causing delays. The rest is planning. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 19:02:56 12/21/04 Tue My position on the matter DamnRam 10:57:56 12/21/04 Tue St. Joe's is having internal discussions about a new convocations center. That would leave Fordham and LaSalle in the dust. (NT) -- Rambacker, 11:15:48 12/21/04 Tue St. Joe's had capacity and sellout crowds all of last year. Their athletic supporters now have the undeniable credibility to say that they have "earned" and "need" such a facility, that they now have the opportunity to solidify their gains. Our decade-long losing streak and the silence coming from our persistently empty seats in a very small gym, on the other hand, is deafening. Right now leading with basketball's needs is not a winning argument. Better to open the discussion with the fitness/rec center. (NT) -- DamnRam, 11:34:00 12/21/04 Tue On the contrary, that would be detrimental to our athletic program. What if a recreation center were built and not a convocations center? That would be a disaster. Fr. McShane is doing his homework and is becoming aware of the need for and benefits of a multi-purpose convocations center. A convocations center with 10-12 different functions and benefits to the Fordham community is a much easier sell than a recreation complex. It complements a new Campus Center perfectly, but I feel this is all moot as the three facilities will be planned and constructed as a single entity. (NT) -- Rambacker, 18:00:00 12/21/04 Tue RB, I agree that it would be a disaster for athletics to have one part built but not the other two. I do think they should all be planned to be part of one fully integrated entity so in one sense your point about "moot" is correct. Logistically however I don't see any realistic way to construct the entire thing at once without essentially shutting the school down or causing massive inconvenience to the student body (aka the paying customers) over a two year period. A phased approach over a longer period of time is I think the only realistic way to tackle that problem. (NT) -- DamnRam, 18:44:41 12/21/04 Tue I'd hope to do both. As matter of priority though, student's needs hav to come first. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 19:11:24 12/21/04 Tue That would be very detrimental to the program. If e can't spent what is needed to be like the big boys, we shouldn't try to play with them. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 19:14:29 12/21/04 Tue