Create a New Forum Admin Login Member Login Contribute to Voyager Search VoyForums Help Desk VoyForums Exchange VoyForums Directory/Categories VoyForums Homepage VoyForums News FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions

[ Show ]

Support VoyForums

[ Shrink ]

VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

[ Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, [2], 3, 4 ]

Subject: Change is needed Author: Foghorn [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: "Wed, Apr 13 2011, 19:07:33 GMT" Yes, I am relieved we’ve avoided the drop and in so doing have despatched Bees to a more appropriate place, albeit 12 months late [and yes Moseley’s performance at the end of last season still rankles]. Me, and several other ‘die hards’ would support Moseley in whatever tier of English rugby they found themselves in – but just what are Alan Adam and John Beale etc going to do to keep us where we currently are! Far from the ‘Revival Continuing’, it has floundered and has to date only been kept afloat by clubs in similar situations such as Coventry and Bees being relegated before us. Next season Moseley will be the whipping boys and will get relegated if those with the power continue to keep their heads buried in the sand and make the wrong decisions. While it seems to me heresy to talk about changing the Coaching Staff, why should this be? There is no doubt that Ian Smith has been very good for the Club, taking us to Twickenham and winning a Trophy, but that was 3 seasons ago, what has the team achieved since? I am fully aware that there have been structural changes in our league, but when did we regularly beat teams in the top 3, or the next 3 for that matter. The vast majority of our performances have been dire, turgid affairs, lacking any idea of what’s required to effectively compete at the required level. I’ve had to witness several home games were we’ve conceded 3 scores before some of the Committee have even taken their seats. Enough. Ian’s time has come, as has that of Kevin Maggs who has had no discernible impact this season that I can see. The Club needs to put aside thoughts of an ‘x’ thousand seater new stand, updating an embarrassment of a Club Shop [is it 3 or 4 kit suppliers in the last 3 years?] and bleak website, improvements to the ground’s infrastructure and floodlights, and focus clearly and concisely on one thing - improving the playing record. For that we need a new, fresh and dynamic Coaching Staff, who can pull together those players that stay and the new ones that hopefully join into an effective winning team. If the same old tired faces remain, it’s certain we’ll soon be renewing our old rivalries with Cov and Bees. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:

[> Subject: But........ Author: Standsitter [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Wed, Apr 13 2011, 19:34:02 GMT" As the money that is available to build the new stand cannot be used to top up the playing budget your only positive suggestion is worthless. Are you really suggesting we blow the lot on a couple of seasons of glory hunting followed by inevitable bankruptcy? Funny how the two clubs who most recently tried that, Cov and Bees, are now right where you claim to NOT want us to go. Next idea please! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: truth hurts Author: jonnoisgod [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Wed, Apr 13 2011, 20:11:04 GMT" Once again we have stayed up by the skin of our teeth and unless things change we all know next season will be the same battle . The new stand is pointless , Bham is not a rugby city , people wont come as the stand looks nice , and forget corporate bussiness as when it gets tough they bail out , everyone wants to be associated with winners and that means a winning team , or at least a competitive one . This present coaching set up lack dynamism and motivation , charisma , we could do worse than Mitchell and Delport from Stour , top men with the right attittude . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Who have really had Stour challenging at the top and winning everything! Author: :) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Wed, Apr 13 2011, 20:19:54 GMT" [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Moving on... Author: Eoin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Wed, Apr 13 2011, 22:01:53 GMT" Guys lets not bitch here...lets have a meaningful debate: Coaching, yes its not up to standard, workman tools and all that you could say. I do find his selection puzzling amongst other things as well as his relationship (or lack off) with the players. For me he should have gone in the season we won the cup. The board need to convene this week and then give him the news he wont be back. Advertise the job and lets see who is out there to coach and take our wonderful club forward. Management: Does anyone have a nice word to say about Alan Adam? For me the biggest problem at the club. Stick to what he does best (allegedly accounts he once saved Glasgow Rangers!!! who cares). Beale, Nutt and Warren will always do what is best for Moseley but they (apart from Dave who is too busy with his own business) are not business men. Players: yes we need better quality (in some positions) but that will cost money and our coach cannot offer them International 7s rugby if they come play for peanuts!! Unless someone has a sponsor willing to put his hand in his pocket this will always be a problem. Gloucester: Ditch the deal...work with Worcester lets be there feeder club. does it really matter? preservation of Moseley Rugby at this tier is the priority. We (no matter the coach or management) will not win or gain promotion until we have a £1miilon pound budget. Clubhouse: Do we need a 5 million pound stand? We will attract to dog shit park the kind of corporate clients Mr Adam thinks we will get? Lets look at clubs like Newcastle, Sandal and Newbury who have good brick built structures, plenty of corporate etc...as well. It will be the laughing stock of the Midlands 5000 seats and no one sitting in them!!! Contreversial....i dont think so, honest thoughts from someone that gives a crap!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Next Season Author: cockney reject [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 10:51:19 GMT" Calm down everyone. Moseley finnished where they did because of their budget relative to others. My guess is that if Graham Henry or Martin Johnson or whoever was coaching the side it might have meant at most that we won 1 or 2 more regular season matches. The scheme with Glos didn't work this season for whatever reason and we were always going to struggle. Having said that London Welsh at home was hard to stomach. As for players well to me Andrew Carter played well every time I saw him. At the end of the season having a kicker like Olly Thomas was essential and in tight games(every single one Moseley play) he must start. Armitage brought some mid field focus. The "new" back row has a lot of potential are they all staying? As for players from the Bees who may be available although Hunt is a very impressive broken field runner,I wonder if the no 5 from Sunday is available he looked very good. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Bees No 5 Author: Sorrento [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 17:26:23 GMT" ...was Dan Sanderson who is a dual-registered Northampton player. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Change is needed Author: Foghorn [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Wed, Apr 13 2011, 21:39:05 GMT" Did I say anything about using the money for the new stand to improve the playing squad - no. Like too many posts on this Board, Standsitter likes to think he knows something others do not, but does not actually comment on the main point. Let's have your opinion on the current Coaching Staff! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: agreed Author: Eoin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Wed, Apr 13 2011, 22:07:58 GMT" foghorn...like your style. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Oh my god Author: Neil2468 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Wed, Apr 13 2011, 22:38:41 GMT" Are you guys seriously starting this conversation 3 days after we have secured Championship status? We are supposed to be looking forward to Saturday and game where we can relax and enjoy the game. There's a lot of comments being made here about certain individuals in this club. I think your forgetting there wouldn't be a Moseley rugby club without those names. I volunteer to help the MSA and remarks like this make me wanna walk away and go help another club. Let's have some nice remarks about us staying up, did you expect premiership at the beginning of the season? We all knew it was gonna be tough. And your a liar if you say otherwise. Anyway don't wanna say anymore because I can't believe I'm having to write this! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Meils right Author: Greg [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Wed, Apr 13 2011, 22:58:06 GMT" [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Niel Author: Greg [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Wed, Apr 13 2011, 23:10:24 GMT" Niel is so on the ball. Walk the miles, he does. I know that some of the messages are form the Redding days. If u want the past, drop your money in your pocket. WE were as good as any this sesaon. Ask the press! Our place is coz 3 men got us here. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: I too agree with Neil Author: Red 'n' Black [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Wed, Apr 13 2011, 23:16:11 GMT" Those carping have very short memories - we ran into finanical difficulties a few years back through trying to live beyond our means. Since then the guiding principle has been only spend money we have. Would the knockers want us to change that policy? It didn't do Bees much good, or Cov and they were both lucky to just get demoted one rung in the Leagues. The RFU would be likely to deal much more harshly with any team going into administration in the future. I happen to think that we can do better than this season if we can hang on to the current squad who have really come together in the past few weeks. Remember, for the first half of the season we had a squad of about 30 and it is now around 35. That has seemingly had the effect of allowing the coaches to always pick fully fit players, put out a strong bench and create competition for places. If we could have 35 players available for the whole season I'm confident we could realistically aspire to a top eight finish. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Two separate discussions Author: PriceJ [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 8:44:10 GMT" To me there seem to be two different discussions here. One is the stand, which would improve not only the match day experince but also increase the day to day income of the club through community use and bookings. For some reason some hold the view that this should not be built? The second is the performance of the coaching staff. I read Ian Smiths comments about funding initially with some secpticism, but remember that the Gloucester deal was set for three years by which point the intention was to go fully professional. I actually think the two are related in that the delays in raising funds and building the stand (and I know that money is not easily found for construction projects at present) has put a break on Moseley's progress financially. I guess the challenge is to keep the club afloat until such time that commercial activities are in a position to support a larger / more ambitious squad. In my view this is an enormous challenge and knocking people who have steadily moved Moseley forward over the past years is not that helpful...what the answer is, is probably best left to some of the people that are being mentioned not so positively above. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Well said Neil Author: Amazed [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 9:49:28 GMT" Let's at least give the guys some credit for a while for the fact that they pulled through and saw Moseley into another season in the championship. I agree with Red & Black that we have the makings of a good, relativly young, squad this season, and hope most are retained to build on the last couple of months. Don't forget that compared to some of the more successful clubs in this division Moseley are semi-professional and currently operate on one of the smallest budgets in the league (= smallest squad). This is driven by the competition we face in Birmingham in attracting financial support from corporate areas and gate receipts due to a significant football presence. Also don't forget we have just gone through (are still going through?) a significant global recession which makes finding new funding even tougher. Perhaps those who are complaining that the club should go out and buy new coaching and players to improve our position can also introduce the club to the sources of the funding needed? Why say forget the stand when the money for it is ringfenced from the Reddings for this funding? Look to Exeter for a model where ground infrastructure investment has secured a sound financial base for the club to go forward. Stop knocking the people who are prepared to put their time and money into the running of Moseley and start to be constructive in finding revenue streams to help the club grow. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Change Author: 1morweb [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 14:30:08 GMT" Neil2468, if you feel you need to walk away because you’ve lost touch with reality then be my guest. You’re comment regarding ‘nice remarks’ is naive in the extreme. IMHO Foghorn & Eoin have raised very valid points that few others have yet answered. We all know that money is tight, but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that with a different coaching team we’d have a better chance of avoiding the relegation pool next season. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Oh so hears the remarks I'm on about! Author: Neil2468 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 18:04:42 GMT" Lost touch with reality? Are we still in the championship? Yes. What was the objective at the beginning of the season, oh yes to still be a Championship club. I'm still amazed how everyone was expecting a 6th to 8th finish when we lost 16 players at the end of last and added 12 at the beginning of season, so near enough a new squad of players. I'm not gonna even bother explaining that one. I won't walk away because I love the club to much and unfortunately I'm trying to do something to help. I can't do this on my own so if anyone is interested in helping then please say so, rather than slagging an entire rugby team that has achieved the of the season. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I agree Author: baz [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 21:25:15 GMT" I couldn't agree more mate. At the moment we need to be celebrating the survival, congratulating the players, looking forward to next season, asking what more WE can do as supporters and most of all actually pulling together to improve things rather than ripping into individuals, who like everyone else, are not perfect but are doing their best. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Finally Author: Miss B [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 21:41:00 GMT" Look guys on our budget there is no way we can compete with other clubs. It is very frustrating for fans when we have a run of bad games and we ended up in Relegation play offs but it happened , we survived and we should be looking forward to Saturday which will be a great day. I have given a lot of my time to the club , I have worked I the shop for about 4 years and now give my time to the MSA. We set this up again to support the club , the players appreciate this . So come on please let's stop having a go at each other and just get behind our Moseleyboys this should be a happy time !!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: change Author: bryan b jnr [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 0:13:29 GMT" it seems that its never a good time to discuss the matter of change. yes we have escaped again by the skin of our teeth and fair play to smith n maggs for keeping us here but i think the time has come to get fresh coaching staff, fresh tactics. moseley for most of this season have been predictable and thats why we got spanked on numerous occasions and sometimes teams seem to effortlessly score tries. we won the cup 3 seasons ago. the EDF cup no longer exists so we shouldn't keep saying" well we won the cup" move on! personally i think the stand 5K seater stand is a waste of time and money,maybe just spend it on something like bedford have.brick built stand but not OTT. A s said in previous post birmingham isn't a big rugby supporting city. yes there are plenty of small clubs but top 3 division we have 3(including coventry even though they are umm coventry) lol. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: QED Author: Capt. Slapdash [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 1:22:30 GMT" We need the new stand. As far as I'm aware the monies for that can't be spent on anything else anyway, and thinking this through: The functions that can be held away from rugby in the proposed spaces create revenue that can actually be spent on playing squad, coaches, staff. Which hopefully will create a more successful first team on the field. Which will help bring in the supporters and sponsors to fill the stand. Which will create more revenue to support that growth on the field. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Look at Ourselves Author: Gnasher [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 11:23:50 GMT" A new stand will enhance the club for spectators, sponsors, local community use and players. As the money for this comes from a separate budget why knock it? Over the years the club Directors have performed minor miracles to get (and keep us) where we are. This includes bringing in fresh faces half way through the season and during a period of considerable economic uncertainty. How many extra supporters did we manage to bring along or what additional products did we buy in the club shop/bar during this period? Whilst we are a long way off the Premiership how many other clubs in the Championship are ready for this? As for the coaches, I am sure they recognise mistakes they have made over the season. Hopefully they will learn from them and we will be stronger for it next season. Do we not make mistakes at work or in some of the comments and opinions we make on matchdays? It's always easy to say there is somebody better out there but what have these 'alternatives' achieved at the same or higher level? How much would it cost and who is going to pay for it? Furthermore, let's think about why some of these talented players are attracted to Moseley in the first place. It could be because we have a couple of former international players as coaches, one of which has proved himself capable of getting a team promoted and winning a Twickenham cup final. I am not saying everything in the Moseley 'garden' is rosy and communication between the club and supporters is a possible area for improvement. Raise opinions by all means, but remember some of those we knock have put their hands deep into their own pockets and/or go away from matches equally as upset as the rest of us when we lose. If we want to change things we must get involved. The MSA is a good start or failing that, bring along some friends/family to the next match or better still find a sponsor. If we all brought 1 extra person along or 10 new sponsors were attracted over the season how much additional revenue would that generate? It's an old cliche, but united we stand divided we fall. We are still a Championship club and we are still in business. We also have dedicated and committed people working hard to move us forward. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: well said gnasher Author: confusedfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 12:41:24 GMT" Gnasher I think you covered everything I wanted to say, I just wonder what the relationship is like between Alan Adam, John Beale,Dave Warren and Ian Smith ? I have read what certain people have said about the board on here, but they have kept the Club afloat, I think that The Board must be very dissapointed with The Squad we had, and where we finished, I am sure that they would be expecting to finish at least challenging for that 8th spot ! On the other hand, I spoke to Andy Williams many times and he said he really enjoyed his time playing for Moseley and Smithy. So who can tell us as supporters where does the problem with the teams performances across The Season really lie ???? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: My two pence worth.... Author: Red&Black Pear [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 14:06:58 GMT" Several points made above -some good, some not so. Sone I agree with,others I dont so for what it's worth here are mine. Moseley underperformed this season - massively - again. To answer the sarcastic post about "expecting The Premiership" - no but with the squad we had from the start of the season a finnish from 6th to 8th was a realistic and achievable target. The reason we missed it? I'm not sure for certain but the team looked very very flat on several occasions and the coaching staff didnt seem to be able to lift them or change the focus. Time to refresh the coaching staff? In my opinion, yes. The Stand. I can see the reasoning behind building it and the Exeter model is an excellent one. There is one big difference - Exeter were well supported before they moved to Sandy Park (anyone else remember those trips to the County Ground?) and like it or not Moseley are NOT well supported - all you need to do is ask where all the people who went to Twickenham 3 years ago are now or where they'd been for the previous 10 years! Build the stand but not 5000 seats - maximum 1000 with 10-12 boxes, a good big bar and a good function room or two and spend the rest on improving the paths around the ground, the toilets, the shop and the bl***y car park!!!! The Board. They've kept this club alive in difficult times through sheer hard work and willpower on occasions and for that I applaud them but they are not supermen (it's not a "miracle" as someone said earlier to be able to fund signings half way through the season it's called contingency planning) and I hope they would admit that they need help and ask for it if required - they may be doing this behind the scenes and we don't know about it - and wouldn't turn it down if offered. I'm no expert on these matters but talking to people who've built businesses/clubs up from where we are might not be a bad idea. Giving Mr Rowe at Exeter a ring might ne a good place to start. The Supporters - yes US! We need to do two things. First - help the club in anyway we can be it suggesting corporate leads, volunteering to do gate/car park duty, helping the MSA, bringing friends or even just turning up week after week - it all helps. The second thing we supporters need to do relates to this board. Not everyone in this life holds the same views and we all have the right to express those views however controversial. This board should be a place where ALL Moseley supporters can argue their point about the club, the team, coaches etc whenever they feel so inclined and without sarcastic, personal or "you don't know what you're talkign about" style responses. The board is an open one and several people at a club local to me track it and are amazed at how vitriolic some of the responses to what are perfeclty reasonable and legitimate comments are. We all - me included - need to grow up and calm down. See you all Saturday. Red&Black Pear [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Crowds Author: Red 'n' Black [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 14:42:17 GMT" The crowds issue is clearly crucial in helping to fund a competitive squad. Take Bedford, who are perhaps the closest club to us in terms of past and recent history. They have outdone us on the pitch in recent years, but have much bigger crowds than us - about 1,000 more, I believe. I'm guessng tha gnerates at least anoter £200,000 a year. Add that to our players' budget, and I think we, too, would be near guaranteed top eight each year, just as Bedford are. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Crowds Author: Greg [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 16:04:40 GMT" I had an idea a while ago which I think now may be worth mentioning again. One way to improve crowds is to make it easy for people to come to our ground. Getting to Bils is a pain unless you drive then you also have parking problem. So two things, we run a free shuttle mini bus on match days from outside Barclays in Moseley high street and or some other loacl areas such as New Street for travelling fans, Kings Heath Cricket club Harborn High Street etc. the cost of which comes out of the match ticket they buy on the bus. Here the the good catch, who ever comes on the bus then will have to have a few beers after the game before the shuttle bus can get them back. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: message Author: Greg [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 16:20:05 GMT" Sorry pressed wrong button, I don't know pissed again. I'm sure that as a way of reducing traffic and saving the enviroment maybe the council would get behind this sort of plan, maybe a local taxi firm would do deal re transport etc. Also travelling fans could also park at Beckets and probably shop with them etc. I sure a few of the firms in Moseley would help to sponsor a bus service if after the game you were droped off at the Kababish etc. Remenber, who the hell wants to stand on the Yardley Wood Road in the dark on a Saturday night waiting for a public bus in the rain. Once something like this got off the ground I'm sure people would start to use the service in Moseley as a pre night out. We got to make it easy to get to our ground and enjoy the Moseley Rugby community experiance. Well just an idea. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Parking Author: Rich2 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 19:07:02 GMT" When has there been a parking problem.There are two car parks and i have never seen them full. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Parking Author: Rich2 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 19:12:00 GMT" When has there been a parking problem.There are two car parks and i have never seen them full. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Parking Author: Greg [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 19:28:29 GMT" Sorry you miss understand what I ment. It's not a question we don't have space, it's already a concern to residents, thats why AA is so concerned. Well if we may hace a potential issue now, it probably would only get worse whith another 1000-2000, wel hopefully! Any way just an idea thats all. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Access to Billesley? Parking? No problem! Author: Comms Team [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Fri, Apr 15 2011, 17:01:05 GMT" Greg - We're always interested in ideas and some of those you've put down are certainly worth exploring. By giving business to local companies they hopefully will reciproate and advertise/sponsor us. I'll collar you (in a nice friendly way of course!) at the game on Sat and chat through how we could move these ideas on. However - in case any thinks there is a current parking/access problem: We've got an approved transport plan for way above the current attendances. We have very little (in fact probably no) problem with our neighbours regarding parking as everyone can be accomodated in the 'official' car parks. If you recall, our biggest gate since moving to Billesley was the Saints game a few years ago. We were able to park the cars comfortably be using satelite parking areas at the schools around the common. This was 4x (more) than our average gate. Access to Billesley Common by public transport is probably the best for any rugby club in the country - if not any sports club. If you go to 'how to find us' on the website you can see the number of buses that stop within 100 yards or so of the ground. You can also scroll further down that page and put in your home postcode and B13 0PT to get a personalised public transport route by bus and train. Regarding taxis - Ambassador Cars have an advertising hoarding in front of the hospitality boxes and are the preferred cab company for the club. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: moving on... Author: Eoin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Fri, Apr 15 2011, 16:07:10 GMT" Well...phase one complete Ian has left the building, for the record i agree with all the thanks to him. I just believe he had gone stale, i cant see how anyone can argue with that? As for AA speak as i find, again dont doubt what he does for the club, but his excellent work is with the finances not annoying everyone at Twickenham with his stupid emails and letters about how all our best players go to Worcester etc... As for the stand again, my comments (like many others on here!!) have been mis-read....bloody hell yes we need a stand, and yes it must be big enough to hold corporate functions, but honestly 5000 seats? Please with Newcastle (or Leeds) to come down who are the big crowd pullers? The stand at Worcester (where the players come out) would be a great addition to the club....22 to 22 500-1000 seats perfect. Not after perfection....i understand where we are, and those that really disagree with these comments dont really know whats going on. Fully behind the likes of Dave Warren, John Beale and to a lesser extent AA but horses for courses. Thats all. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Eoin - imho your are plain rude! Author: Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Fri, Apr 15 2011, 16:34:22 GMT" Eoin - why not just give it a rest? Any sensible comments you may make are undermined by your personal attacks. These are out of place in any public domain - let alone a message board. I'd be pretty careful with your comments..........and 'no' I'm not the person you seemed obsessed with attacking! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: sorry Author: Eoin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Fri, Apr 15 2011, 18:31:58 GMT" Observer...point taken. As i said i do care, sometimes i get too carried away!! See you all tomorrow working til 2 but will be there just before 3pm. Come on Moseley. Sorry to those concerned. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]