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Date Posted: 04:33:38 05/18/99 Tue
Author: Daniel
Subject: Re: Genesis 1:1-5
In reply to: Mike 's message, "Re: Genesis 1:1-5" on 04:25:31 05/18/99 Tue

> Kevin here, I am posting this with Mike's permission;
>
> Guys,
>
> It seems like I was invited into this discussion quite
> late because of some confusion in my E Mail address. I
> believe that is just as well. I am really don't have
> either the time or desire right now to get into a long
> young earth
> verses old earth debate. However, if Kevin had not
> already done such a good job appealing to reason I
> might be tempted to say more.
>
> I have in the past spent a lot of time presenting what
> I consider to be overwhelming scientific evidence for
> the old earth / local flood position to young earth
> creationists. I have at the same time clearly
> demonstrated that such understandings do not
> contradict scripture. Too often I have ended up
> feeling like I was talking to someone who had lost all
> of their powers of reason. I have come to the
> conclusion that most young earth creationists have as
> little objectivity as members of the major cults. And
> I believe that as long as remain continually under the
> influence of yec groups, nothing anyone else will show
> them from science or scripture will make any
> difference in
> their way of thinking. That being the case, since I
> have very little time to spend in sharing Christ with
> others I recently decided to spend the time I do have
> fighting battles I feel I have a decent chance of
> winning.
>
> I will, however, comment on one comment that was just
> made. Daniel said, "NOW cannot be escaped. God does
> not exist outside of time. The Bible does not teach
> that God exists outside of time."
>
> I beg to differ. The Bible tells us that God created
> all things. Einstein's theory of relativity, which was
> long ago proven to be fact and not just theory, proves
> that time is simply a dimension of our physical
> universe, and that time did not begin until our
> physical universe began. Now, the Bible tells us that
> God created our physical universe, of which time is
> simply a part. That being the case, God would not now
> be bound by the laws of the physical universe which He
> created any more than I would be bound by a cage I
> made to keep my parakeets in. While my birds would be
> locked inside that cage, I would not be so
> constrained. So, since God created our physical
> universe, He could not have been bound by any part of
> it prior to the time he created it. Neither would He
> now be bound by any part of it. Unless of course He
> chose to be. And is that likely? I believe that is
> about as likely as me deciding to climb inside a cage
> I just made for my birds and then throw away the key.
>
> God created time. I believe God is bigger and more
> powerful than any of His creations. I guess you would
> answer the question, "Can God make a rock so big He
> couldn't move it?" with a "Yes."  I would have to
> answer, "No." For I believe the Bible tells us that
> God is omnipresent. As such He must exist both within
> all of His creations and at the same time above and
> beyond them all. I believe this must include His
> creation called time. That is of course just my humble
> opinion.
>
> Peace, (as Kevin would say)
>
> Mike

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