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Date Posted: 10:45:39 06/30/03 Mon
In reply to:
Aeanagwen
's message, "SxK Plausibility" on 12:35:07 06/28/03 Sat
>Yes, and I still have mine in college, and am in no
>particular hurry to lose it. Really, not to be rude
>or argumentative, but your comment there comes off as
>more than a little insulting. So you lost yours
>young, fine; more power to you. Kindly don't assume
>that what holds true for you holds true for everyone
>else.
Hmm...sorry about that. It is quite evident that you and I have VERY different views, which is perfectly fine. I understand that some people are not as devoted to sex as I am, and DEFINITELY did not mean to imply that my views are true for anyone else. I was merely expressing my opinion as a woman who cherishes sex as a very important part of her life. Don't put words in my mouth, they taste rather foul.
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>As for Subaru, I see no reason that he wouldn't still
>be a virgin. He's anti-social, lives alone, and does,
>from my understanding, nothing but look for Seishirou
>and do his job in the time period between TB and X.
>He's certainly not the type to have casual sex after
>Seishirou's betrayal. As for sex with Seishirou,
>well, I just don't see it. CLAMP showed us Arashi and
>Sorata's first time; I don't see why one of their most
>popular pairings ever would be any different. For
>that matter, I'm afraid I've never understood why, if
>the relationship is so fascinating and complex and
>dark and convoluted etc., it's so neccessary to add
>sex to it and make it something it isn't. An
>interesting AU, perhaps, but done to death. For
>random yaoi smut, sure. But actual canon? I doubt it.
I understand COMPLETELY, but there are perhaps some other reasons why CLAMP didn't display the potential union of the two. One is that male/male sex is not commonly accepted by readers, especially if it is thrown in one's face. The endeavor is highly painful, very bestial, and not exactly easy to look at and accept. In addition, CLAMP is not the type to shove things down readers' throats. We *didn't* get to see Sorata and Arashi have sex--actually, we barely even saw them kiss. In addition, most of the homosexual relationships in *all* their manga never get past touching and stroking. We have never seen yaoi couples even KISS in their manga. So whether or not the affair seems plausible, one has to admit that there is at least a fair possibility that Seishirou and Subaru might have had sex sometime before the Rainbow Bridge fiasco.
>I assume, since you said that you like all the X
>pairings, that it isn't a OMG HET YUCK!!!1 sort of
>thing. As someone who actually likes Kotori (and I
>know that's rare in this fanbase), then, could I ask
>that you maybe explain what 'torture' a relationship
>with someone so sweet and loving and gentle would
>involve? Really, I understand a yaoi fangirl
>preferring FxK to KxK, but that's no reason to bash
>Kotori or depict the relationship as something that it
>clearly, given Kotori's personality, would not have
>been. She's DEAD, she's obviously not much
>competition. Why such viritrol for her?
Well, shit, somebody's touchy today. Forgive me for my rather coltish remark, I meant nothing of it. AGAIN, I am a VERY SENSUAL BEING. I simply CANNOT see a relationship reach such a high level of intimacy without sexual contact. And the thought of Kotori and Kamui having sex would bother me terribly, simply because Kamui would be forced into a controlling relationship and Kotori does NOT have the stamina or the maturity to endure it. And even on a strictly
romantic level I can't see these two getting along. Kamui WOULD NOT be able to handle a relationship that would put him on the spot as a dominant male. He is the type that needs to BE nurtured and protected, not to do the nurturing and protecting. Sure, one could always say that Kotori could do those things, but she simply does not have the level of understanding one needs to understand the torture Kamui faces as a depressed adolescent.
>Being maladjusted does not make him horny. He
>certainly seems to have his hormones well enough in
>check around Seishirou that Seishirou never guessed
>what Subaru's real Wish was and had to be told that
>his assumption was wrong by Fuuma. Screwed up as
>Subaru is, I hardly think he's going to go have sex
>with Kamui, in part because of his obsession with
>Seishirou, in part because I think he cares enough for
>Kamui that he is not going to do something as damaging
>as to have sex with him knowing that it can never be
>anything lasting. Kamui's had his closest friend turn
>on him already; how would he take someone as intimate
>a sexual partner as Subaru would be making very clear
>that he can never love Kamui first, that, if it came
>to Seishirou or Kamui, he would ALWAYS choose
>Seishirou? For that matter, as twisted as his
>relationships to date have been, I really think if he
>got involved with Kamui, he wouldn't be able to help
>but compare himself leading Kamui on to the way
>Seishirou strung Subaru himself along in TB, and I
>don't think he'd want to do that to anyone, much less
>Kamui.
GAH! These words being shoved in my mouth--I am choking on them! *gulps a glass of water* Phew... ANYWAY...
As timid and insecure as he may be, SUBARU IS STILL A MAN. I did *not* call him a testosterone-baked pervert, but for someone who believes so fervently that he is a virgin you have to at least acknowledge the fact that he may be sexually frustrated. It is very, very understandable. Sure, he isn't the type to pin Kamui down and stab him silly--I never said he was. But when displayed in the manner of touching and stroking and getting *very* close to Kamui, it can be safe to say that Subaru is at least experimenting with sexually provocative contact. That is the only point I was trying to make here. Sure, I may be wrong--but who's right? That's the beauty of CLAMP--it is a different experience for everyone, and apparently my sexually-influenced views are what I base most of my opinions off of.
Hunny, I *really* didn't try to get your shorts ruffled with my comments. I sincerely respect you and all your views, no matter how biased I may appear to be. I am sorry if I offended you at all, and again these thoughts come from someone who has had very much experience with sex and who embraces it as part of her spirituality and culture. If I piss you off any more, do the smart thing and ignore me. I cannot change the way I am any more than you can.
Okay? Okay. ^.~
See you later
--The Agent
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