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Date Posted: 21:13:38 06/05/03 Thu
Author: Lance
Subject: OK - here's what I think...(and feel free to tell me to bite you! haha)
In reply to: Drew Greyfox 's message, "I agree with you on the democrats but I think one big reason why you dont see this stuff covered in the media is that most people dont want to hear the truth if its unsettling..." on 19:03:41 06/05/03 Thu


We'll never know whether people will listen or not since none of the democrats have the balls to even disagree politely with dubya about ANYTHING.

(I really don't think most people care if the pentagon and the president have lied about Jessica Lynch.)
How can anyone predict whether most people will care if the pentagon and the president lied about Jessica Lynch - BTW, I don't think the president lied about her, did he? He has barely mentioned her at all as far as I know.

But how can anyone predict how people will react when the media has ignored the story and will no doubt continue to ignore the story except to report that the Iraqi doctors lied, changed their story, admited they were mistaken, etc and even that story only ran one day and maybe only one time on CNN as far as I've been able to establish. If my Dad hadn't seen it and told me, I wouldn't have even known about it.
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Since when is the news made up only of what people want to hear? Do people want to hear about crime, death, destruction, fires, famine, wars, etc. The NEWS is the NEWS is the NEWS. Why is it that only news that benefits the Bush administration is pounded into the ground 24/7? Is it because the news media is biased or is it because the Democrats have NOTHING to say?

News about 9-11 was "unsettling" don't you agree? People were horrified but they watched. I don't think they were "entertained". At least I wasn't.
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Where is the news coverage about the lack of WMD in Iraq?? When the Bush administration was pounding war drums day and night and chanting Iraq has WMD and we're all gonna die, it was playing 24/7 on all networks and all cable news. Why isn't the LACK of WMD playing 24/7 on all networks and all cable news?
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There are dozens of bad guys worse than Saddam. People don't even know their names OR the names of their countries. Why? Because the media doesn't cover it. And why doesn't the media cover it? Because the Bush administration doesn't mention it so its not important.

BUT, if the media suddenly began to do stories about any of the dictators around the world who are as bad or worse as Saddam, and they showed it on TV 24/7, showed film of torture and worse, you would see the American people demanding that something be done.

IMHO public opinion is almost entirely shaped by the media's coverage or non-coverage of issues and situations imho. If something isn't publicized, no one is going to know or care about it. If a whale gets stuck under an icecap and the media doesn't show it, no one "cares" but if they watch this whale struggling to survive everytime they turn on the TV, they will do anything they can to save that whale.

Martha Stewart knows enough about "selling" something that she went out, bought ad space, put up a web site, and immediately started putting out her version of the truth, and creating her own favorable publicity.

It's difficult to support a differing opinion when you don't know anything about it, there is no publicity, no buzz.

Did you ever see anything on TV or in the local newspapers even suggesting that the event where Saddam's statue came down was staged?? I know that I sure didn't. I read about it on this board.

So exactly how is mainstream America supposed to know about it?

Ask anyone who supported the war if it was about oil and I guarantee you that the majority of them will say no. Go over to the shack and ask that pro-war guy.

Do you honestly think that American people who thought it was necessary for us to go to war, wanted the war because of oil - the American people?!!??

Do you really believe the American people wanted our country to send our soldiers over to Iraq to fight a war to get oil? And if you believe that, exactly why? Did you ever talk to people who said, "I hope we go to war and take all their oil"? Because I sure haven't. I get reasons like "liberate the oppressed people, free the country from a brutal dictator, prevent terrorism, etc etc etc." I've NEVER heard a pro-war person say, "this war is to take their oil."

Anti-war people said that. haha I said it. All the anti-war people said it. Not the pro-war people.

(I do think the American media has abandoned its responsibility to report the truth and talk about things like the number of civilians dead and speak up more about the government's lies.)

AMEN!


The media has abandoned all it's responsibility to present the news - all the news and instead we have ONE story for 24 to 48 hours until the next BIG STORY takes over and thats all we see for the next 24-48 hours and so on. except for the war - that was non stop war for the duration - the same things shown a zillion times.

So how in the world can the American people be blamed when they get no information from the media or from the Democrats?

(But at the same time the people don't want to hear that, they want to hear good news...)
Like 9-11? Was that good news? People were GLUED to their TV sets. The news media doesn't show "good news" They don't show the planes that don't crash.

(Ask people what they think of politicians and most people won't have a lot of nice things to say, regardless of which side of the spectrum they come from. Yet they don't want to believe that Bush is a lying crooked politician, even after they've heard about his military record (or lack of), Enron, his backroom deals, the economy, etc etc.)

And who did they hear it from? It wasn't covered nonstop on CNN that's for sure. Its not plastered across the front of our daily papers in a huge headline. They MIGHT have heard it from the Democrats and a few magazine articles if they watch tv shows that feature Democrats and if they read magazines. The news media certainly NEVER harped on it non stop. The American public sure didn't see it on cable news or network news. They might have heard it alluded to on political talk shows by liberals who supported Gore for president but they didn't read it over and over and over in the papers or hear it 24/7 for weeks on end on TV.

Watergate was reported 24/7 everyday. It made headlines on every front page. Now the only things that get reported like that are things that this administration wants pounded into the American people's heads.

(It may not be the only reason for the state of our country and the world, but I think the apathy of the people and their appetite for feel good, we're number one kind of news over the less comfortable truth is a big factor.)

I don't agree. People who are afraid for the lives of their children are not apathetic. People who send their sons and daughters off to die in Iraq are not apathetic. People who are losing their jobs are not apathetic.

But they are not getting ANY information that will make them think for one second that this administration is corrupt. Not any. Everything that we see in the headlines or hear on the news is all pro-bush. Its just one big photo op including the pics from the war. Anything that is anti-bush is buried and ignored by the media and the Democrats let them get by with it.

(I don't really think it matter what the democrats or republicans do, what the pentagon says, or what the administration admits. Until the people decide to admit some truths, ask tough questions, and stand up to demand change for the better, nothing is really going to change.)

You think the "people" are going to "stand up and demand change"? HAHA.

Exactly how do you propose they do this? Do you see business men and soccer moms rioting in the streets for some vague "we want a change fOR the better" agenda?

Explain exactly what you would like to see the people of America do, specifically. Overthrow the current administration without having ever heard or read a disparaging word against this administration that didn't come from some entertainer from Hollywood?

I'm not being mean, and I'm not being an ass, I am just debating this topic because I find it interesting and I would like to read your thoughts (and anyone else's) about IT.

If I have come across as being mean or attacking you in any way Drew, it is NOT what my intentions are and I apologize if I piss you off or whatever, cause we're friends and this is just a friendly discussion - a point-counterpoint explaining why we hold various opinions about the causes for the state of this country.

And even though this is my board - that DOES NOT mean that my opinion is more important than yours or anyone elses and it DOES NOT mean that I am an authority on anything or that I am right.

I just like to debate things especially with someone who speaks what they think without resorting to personal insults.

(even though drew is the antichrist and he kicks puppies.)

oops - did I say that out loud! hahaha

BTW - stay tuned next week (I think) for a debate on hate crime laws!! WHOO HOO!

(ok I got tired of proof reading so deal with it, warts and all)

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