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Date Posted: 03:11:20 11/01/05 Tue
Author: Rufus
Subject: Re: Just a thought about Connor
In reply to: Rich 's message, "Just a thought about Connor" on 14:12:27 10/31/05 Mon

I always thought that the Shan shu prophecy caused a lot of misunderstanding as it was taken to mean that the vampire to shan shu'd got to live as a mortal human.

Wesley: "Angel's cut off. Death doesn't bother him because - there is nothing in life he wants! It's our desires that make us human."
Cordy eating her doughnut: "Angel is kind of human. - He's got a soul."
Cordy goes for another doughnut.
Wesley: "He's got a soul - but he's not a part of the world. (Gets up) He-he can never be part of the world."
Cordy: "Because he doesn't want stuff? - That's ridiculous. (Wesley takes her doughnut away from her) Hey! I want that!"
Wesley: "What connects us to life?"
Cordy: "Right now? I'm going with doughnuts."
Wesley: "What connects us to life is the simple truth that we are part of it. - We live, we grow, we change. - But Angel..."
Cordy: "Can't do any of those things. - Well, what are you saying - that Angel has nothing to look forward to? That he going to go on forever, in the world, but always cut off from it?"
Wesley: "Yes."
Cordy: "Well, that sucks! We've got to do something. We've got to help him."
Wesley: "I'm not sure we can."
Cordy: "What is your deal? You go around boring everyone with your musty scrolls and then you say there is nothing we can do?"
Wesley: "He is what he is."

Angel is no different than some people who can't do certain things. Some mortals can't go in the sun. If desires are the things that make you human, Angel has enough to qualify him as human. But it is that birth, that son that takes it over the edge. He ends up reliving the conflict with his father but instead of using force to make Connor in his own image, Angel chooses to give his son a new life, one that is without the pain of the Quor toth or the rest of the mess that started with Holtz.

Now to the Shanshu itself, I think it meant that some vampire was going to get to be human again (without the W&H box treatment). But human, if Angel was to prove that he had grown, changed, become more than he was in the alley he met Darla in, he had to take the price tag off his good deeds. Hell, what's a little sunscreen when walking in the sunlight isn't what makes you who you are.

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  • I have completely missed the boat on this one -- Sunshine, 09:48:52 11/01/05 Tue
  • It was just a test......;) -- Rufus, 02:58:27 11/02/05 Wed
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