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PLEAZE, YOUR WELCOME TO CALL ANYTIME WITH A QUESTION OR COMMENT, JOE GOLDEN 832-597-7177 OR **E-MAIL** JOE, CLICK HERE BIGJGARAGE@AOL.COM
The word "illegal" is an Hypothesis created by a Self Serving Angel to hook a FREE SPIRIT to his plow..joe golden
A FEW WEEKS BACK I ASKED "SLICK RICK" aka RICKY McCANATHY THE HEAD PORTING WIZARD OVER AT NRC RACING TO LET US GOSSIPERS IN ON SOME TOP SECRET "STUFF" FROM TIME TO TIME. RICKY IS A GOSSIP READER AND ONE OF THE LEADING HEAD PORTERS IN THE WORLD,AND A NICE GUY ON TOP OF THAT! HERE IS A NOTE I GOT TODAY WITH A COUPLE OF PICS ATTACHED.
Todd Naiser is about finished with the machining and programming, just waiting on the material for the real heads.
The first shot on the flowbench yielded 648 cfm on the intake side. That's about 18 cfm more than my texas pro stock heads.
Ricky
I POSTED SOME PICS LAST WEEK AND I HAVE SENT RICKY AN E-MAIL WITH A COUPLE OF QUESTION. FROM HIS E-MAIL I THINK THEY ARE BUILDING THEIR OWN SET OF HEADS!!! THESE ARE THE NEW EXPERIMENTAL HEADS FOR JEFF NAISER'S NEW 5.4 BORE SPACING XTF ENGINE. IN THE 700 CUBIC INCH RANGE IT WILL BE A "SHORT STROKE" HUGE BORE 10,000 RPM 5-SPEED BRAIN ROASTING CLUTCH DEAL!
FOR YOU SPIES, CLICK ON THE PIC FOR A LARGER IMAGE!! I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS GONNA GO OUT IN THE GARAGE AND BUILD A SET, LOL!
HOW ABOUT THIS INTAKE "SLICK RICK" AND NRC JUST FINISHED UP FOR STEVEN OR AT LMR! THANKS MR SLICK, SOME AMAZING CRAFTSMANSHIP!
[> Subject: I GOT A REPLY BACK FROM RICKY TODAY... THEY ARE MAKING THEIR OWN HEADS!!
Date Posted:22:03:58 10/01/09 Thu
I'LL POST A PART OF RICKY'S E-MAIL HE SENT TONITE, I DON'T LIKE DOING THAT BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW WHATS GOING ON AND I DON'T WANT TO MISQUOTE HIM.
WE'RE GETTING IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF AN EXPERIMENTAL STATE OF THE ART ENGINE PROJECT. WITH FLOW NUMBERS AND STUFF YOU DON'T EVER GET TO SEE OR HEAR. THANKS JEFF, KIM,'SLICK, JIMMY, TODD, CHIEF AND THE REST OF THE GUYS AT NRC FOR THE INSDIE SCOOP! THESE GUYS GOT AN IDEA IN THEIR HEADS, THEY ARE ABOUT TO GET A PIECE OF ALUMINUM , CARVE IT UP AND SET IT ON THE TABLE JUST LIKE THE PROTOTYPE WE SEE ABOVE, MIGHT EVEN GET TO SEE SOME DYNO RESULTS! GONNA BE COOL!!
Joe,
The best part about this project is that it's not totally top secret.
We decided to just do our own heads for jeff's new engine. I talked Jimmy Naiser into buying the piece of aluminum that you are seeing in the pics, and jeff and I started with a solid chunk. We did the manual work like putting the head bolt holes and guide locations and port locations all manually in the bridgeport. Then we drilled a 1 1/4" hole through the intake port and I ground and carved the rest by hand. Got all that done and jeff did the task of laying out the rocker system and where the pushrods would be. Then Todd Naiser went to work in the cnc cutting away all the excess material and machining where the water jackets will be.
Some specs on the engine:
bore space 5.300
bore size will start at 5.000 and You could go as large as 5.080 or even larger if You wanted to really push the limits of the sleeve.
The guide locations can be altered to suit a variety of valve sizes, prototype is 1.950 exhaust valve and 2.700 intake valve
target cfm will be around 400 exhaust and 660 intake.
to put that into perspective, jeff's current heads have a 2.580 intake valve that flows 575 cfm
500" prostock heads flow in the 600 cfm range, some more some less. don't personally know what the "fast" guys heads flow
We ordered enough billet material today to machine 5 sets of heads. Jeff's block has been ordered, the crank will be here next week, and we should be cutting the heads in 3 weeks.
Date Posted:16:04:57 09/29/09 Tue
HARVEY GOT'S AN 8.5 OUTLAW RACE IN SHREVEPORT LA THIS WEEKEND. THE GUYS THAT WON THE TXDRL RACE 8.5 OUTLAW, TRIANGLE SPEED SHOP MUSTANG, CALLS DOWN THERE TO GET THE PARTICULARS...
WELL OUR VERY ON 5.40 RAT MOTOR JEFF MILLER HAS ALREADY CALLED DOWN THERE COMPLAINING THE 283 CUBIC INCH MUSTANG NEEDS TO BE SLOWED DOWN SOME. SO THE DECISION WAS MADE IF THE 283 FORD WANTS TO COME RACE THEY WILL HAVE TO ADD 250#!! THE MOD MOTOR 283 DOES HAVE AN F-2 PROCHARGER AND WENT A WINNING 5.36 AGAINST A LOOSING KENNY HUBBARD'S 5.36 IN THE FINALS. THEY RUN @ #3100 IN THE TXDRL, IN LA THEY WILL HAVE TO WEIGH #3350.
IT WILL BE FUN TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS, I THINK JEFF BETTER BE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT ORANGE NOVA THAT WENT 5.33!
YES SUPER CHARGERS MIGHT NEED WEIGHT, NOT AS MUCH AS TURBOS BUT A 5.36 TO A 5.36 FINAL IS PRETTY EVEN FOR NOW... AND NOT BAD FOR A 283 CUBIC INCH MOTOR AND IT'S A FORD!!
JUST A RUMOR I HEARD!!!
Date Posted:16:45:10 09/29/09 Tue
What a fucking douchebag. Just because Miller can't get there he is going to cry like a little BITCH! 0.04 difference in times and he is going to cry like a little fucking Baby! All Miller has to do is tree him and it will be game over but instead he has to cry like a little BITCH!
Tell Miller to fuck off and find another event to run at! Ban him from the TXDRL for being a douchebag ass pussy Bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date Posted:18:08:31 09/29/09 Tue
YOU GOTTA KNOW JEFF, HE AIN'T REALLY THAT BAD, HE IS OUR RESIDENT COMPLAINER! I THINK SOMETIMES HE JUST GOES INTO COMPLAIN MODE BEFORE HE THINKS, LOL!!
IN FACT WE NEED A LITTLE MATCH RACE, BEST 2 OUT OF 3 MAYBE ON A SUNDAY -TRIANGLE SPEED vs MILLER TIME... JEFF JUST BRING THE "IRONMAN" AND IT'S SPANKIN TIME!!
[> [> [> [> Subject: Sorry Joe, Just got a little carried away with the cry-baby
Date Posted:19:21:44 09/29/09 Tue
Miller, FUCK YOU!!!! I hope Triangle Speed DRAGS your ass weighing 250 pounds more. 283ci with F2 Vs a 600"+ motor with 2 kits and you have to run crying like a little girl... HaHaHa You need to hire the Iron Man to get your junk to run faster!
Date Posted:19:42:02 09/29/09 Tue
You must be talking about a diffrent car millers car is a 522 1 kit. I cant stand the complaining either but its not that big a motor
Date Posted:20:01:56 09/29/09 Tue
Guys, guys, guys why all the fussin over one race?? Lets just fuckin race and see where it all goes. The man to beat right now is IronMan, lets all make it a point to change that. Somebody step up!!
Date Posted:20:39:52 09/29/09 Tue
FIRST OF ALL WHO THE FUCK IS RACER jOE.sAM HARVEY FEELS THE SAME WAY EVERYONE FEELS. hE TOLD ME HE DIDNT WANT TURBOS OR PROCHARGERS IN 8.5 . SO SIGN YOUR NO FUCKING ASS NAME. RACER!!!
Date Posted:20:56:54 09/29/09 Tue
How the fuck did he ruin it he ran the same time as kenny. Kenny lost he is not complaing just you. You didnt even beat Kenny so I guess he cant go to La. either if you lose to hay hauler he will have to be banned why dont we make a class for only bitchers and yall dont even have to race yall can just sit around and bitch about how you should of won if nobody else showed up.
[> [> [> Subject: JEFF HOW CAN YOU SAY EVERYONE ELSE??? YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS COMPLAINED
Date Posted:22:18:27 09/29/09 Tue
SAM RUNS 5.40 FLAT, JEFF YOU RUN 5.40 FLAT, I THINK YOU WENT A 5.39 IN 8.5 OUTLAW, TRIANGLE SPEED SHOP WENT A 5.36 -THATS CLOSE. IF A 400 INCH SB PROCHARGER SHOW UP AND BLAST AWAY WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.
WE HAVE A RULE FOR 385 CUBIC INCH SMALL BLOCK NITROUS OR LESS NOW, GETS #100 WEIGHT BREAK.
WE'RE ABOUT TO DROP #100 OFF SB CHEVY NITROUS TO #3000, 383 AND SMALLER WILL GO TO #2900.
SB NITROUS CAN'T COMPETE @ #3100. SB BLOWER/PROCHARGER WILL STAY AT #3100.
YOUR GONNA BE MID 5.30'S SOON JUST GET TO TESTING..
Date Posted:23:22:28 09/29/09 Tue
Man I’m glad Jeff didn’t cry when I cracked his ass n Dallas (5.44 to 5.54) like he is now….LOL just kidding with ya Jeff
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS WHEN A NEW GUY COMES IN AND BUSTS EVERYONE ASSES EVERYONE SATARTS WHINNING LIKE LITTLE BABIES AND WANTS TO CHANGE THE RULES. THESE GUYS SOUND LIKE TO ME THEY BUILT THE CAR WITHIN THE RULES AND CAME TO RACE. SO LET THEM RACE THE RULES DON'T NEED TO CHANGING ALL OF THE TIME. JOE YOU NEED TO HAVE MAYBE A TIME FRIME FOR THE RULES THAT WAY A CRYBABY CAN'T CRY. PUT UP A SET OF RULES WHATEVER THEY FOR 3MNTHS 6 MNTHS 12 MNTHS AND STICK WITH THEM FOR THAT TIME FRAME ANF IF THEY NEED TO BE CHANGED A LITTLE THAN CHANGE THEM. IT ISN'T FAIR FOR ANYONE WHEN THEY SET THEIR CARS UP FOR ANY TYPE OF CLASS WITHIN THE RULES AND THEN HAVE TO CHANGE THEM( JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DRAGS EVERYONES ASS) P.S. ISN'T THAT THE REASON EVERYONE RACES IS TO COME OUT AND WIN SO WHY WOULD YOU PUNISH SOMEONE FOR COMING OUT AND TRYING TO BE THE BEST IN THEIR CLASS WITHIN THE RULES. JUST MY 2 CENTS.
Date Posted:09:25:49 09/30/09 Wed
ACTUALLY THE CAR IS ABOUT 3 YEARS OLD AND WAS BUILT FOR TT5, BY THE TIME IT WAS KINDA LINED OUT WHICH WAS THIS YEAR THE TURBO'S IN TT5 HAD BURIED THAT CLASS.
NOBODY HAD A 8.5 OUTLAW A FEW MONTHS BACK -WASN'T A CLASS. THE CLASS IS NEW. THE ORANGE CAR KENNY DRIVES WAS PARKED, JUST SITTIN AND WAS FOR SALE.
ENOUGH RACERS SAID HEY THAT LOOKS FUN LETS GET SOME 8.5'S AND TRY TXDRL 8.5 OUTLAW. KENNY AND THE TRIANGLE SPEED MUSTANG WAS A COUPLE OF THE RACERS THAT GOT IN. THEY SORTA PLUGGED IN WHERE THE RULES PUT 'EM. WITH A NEW CLASS YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO SET THE WEIGHT BREAKS.
YEA SOME WANT TO HOLLER ABOUT THE RULES THEY HAVE UP NORTH OR WHERE EVER, WE AIN'T UP NORTH! IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CLASS WE HAVE TO "WORK WITH" THE GUYS THAT ARE IN OUR AREA AND THE RACERS THAT COME TO OUR EVENTS. NITROUS CAR ARE PRETTY EASY TO GET THE WEIGHTS RIGHT WE HAVE PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE FROM THE PAST. THE FORD GUYS HAVE BEEN RUNNING THE MOD MOTORS BUT WE DON'T HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE -SO WE'RE GUESSING WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
RIGHT NOW THE 280-300" MOD MOTORS WITH A BLOWER RUN AT SB CHEVY NITROUS WEIGHT, (WE HAVE JUST GIVEN THE SB NITROUS A WEIGHT BREAK). YOU CAN GET THE FORD MOD MOTOR WITH A FACTORY BLOWER FROM FORD. JAY KNOTT WAS LEADING THE POINTS IN 8.5 WITH A STOCK TYPE BLOWN MOD MOTOR, RUNNING 5.50, NOW SOME 5.40--> WELL THAT PUTS JAY RIGHT IN THE THICK OF THINGS. NOW TRIANGLE SPEED RUNS AN AFTERMARKET BLOWER A PROCHARGER.. RUNS 5.40'S AND NOW SOME HIGH 5.30'S.
THE MOD MOTORS ARE NOT RUNNING AWAY WITH ANYTHING THEY ARE RIGHT THERE IN THE FREY! I'D SAY WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE THEM COME RUN. MILLER HAS GONE 5.39, HAY HAULER 5.40'S I DON'T THINK JOHN IS READY TO GIVE UP, MILE'S WHITE 79 CAMATO HAS BEEN MID 5.40'S... WE HAVE A FIELD MAYBE A .1 SPREAD WHICH IS GREAT!~
AS THE FEILDS PICK UP THE 5.60 -5.70 CARS ARE DROPPING OUT. WE NEED 8 CARS AT AN EVENT FOR A VERY NICE SHOW -LAST SHOW WE HAD 7 CARS. IF WE ADD WEIGHT TO THE MOD MOTOR CARS AND PUT THEM BACK WITH THE 5.60=5.70 CARS, THEY AIN'T GONNA COME BACK. WHAT KIND OS SENSE DOES IT MAKE TO KILL A 1/4 OF THE CLASS AND FOR WHY?? THEIR NOT THE FASTEST, THEIR IN THE HUNT!
AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME THE MOD MOTORS ARE JUST ABOUT RIGHT, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET ANY COMBINATION COME IN AND RUN AND DOMINATE THE CLASS AND RUIN IT, WE JUST SAW THAT HAPPEN IN TT5. IF KENNY'S RAT MOTOR NOVA CAN RUN A 5.33 SO CAN THE REST OF THE RAT MOTOR CARS TELLS ME 5.30'S AIN'T IMPOSSIBLE. IF YOUR RUNNING A BB CHEVY WITH NITROUS AND AIN'T RUNNING BOTTOM 5.30S YOU GOT SOME TESTING TO DO.
BACK TO THE TOPIC... WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH MOD MOTORS TO KNOW WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, BUT WITH THE PERFORMANCE SO FAR BY JAY KNOTT AND TRIANGLE SPEED AT THIS POINT WE'RE DEAD ON WITH THE WEIGHT BREAKS FOR MOD MOTORS. THIS AIN'T TO SAY THEY WON'T BE ADJUST IN THE FUTURE.
THANKS EVERYONE FOR MAKING THE TXDRL 8.5 OUTLAW CLASS THE HOTTEST CLASS IN TEXAS EVER!!
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Very well put Joe!
Date Posted:11:52:26 09/30/09 Wed
If nobody is running away with the class, why change the rules because their combo is different than everyone else's?
Date Posted:09:28:54 09/30/09 Wed
Looks like the poy callin the kettle black, Jeff, you dont sign your name when talkin smack about a certain red and chechered camaro. Fuck you
Date Posted:15:22:23 09/30/09 Wed
And what the fuck do you want my Name for? Are you going to call the IRS and tell them I cheated on my taxes? Maybe you are going to tell My Mom & Dad I smoked Pot in my younger days. Go fuck off coward!
Date Posted:21:11:47 09/30/09 Wed
dON IF YOUR RACER IVE NEVER SAID ONE THING BAD ABOUT YOU ARE YOUR CAR.YOUR THE ONLY ONE I KNOW WITH A RED CHECKERD CAMARO.iF nOT MAYBE YOU KNOW WHOs TALKING ALL THE SHIT.
Date Posted:09:11:59 10/01/09 Thu
rebulid glide, coans rebulid kit new harden turbo input shaft 1.76,8 clutches,protree brake,just finish it never put in car.stock case #832-316-2833
Date Posted:04:35:58 10/01/09 Thu
R AND J....Some of my buddys was gettn alot of fuel from there when it was another name about a year or so ago..guy kept 6-7 drums..did yall keep the fuel buisness and still selln fuel there or no..Need somewhere close too there too buy fuel from that always ahs it in stock and never out..that puts people in a bind at the last moment..lmknow if yall do and a number
Date Posted:21:47:31 09/29/09 Tue
IM CHECKING TO SEE IF SOMEONE HAS A STOCK CHEVY 454 FOR SALE, I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ME A LITTLE STREET CAR. HOPEFULLY SOMEONE NEAR LAKE CHARLES LOUISIANA HOPEFULLY, BUT WILL TRAVEL IF THE "PRICE" IS FAIR. THANKS FELLAS
Date Posted:02:38:40 09/30/09 Wed
I have a 454 with an aluminum intake 750 holley carb HEI dis.chrome valve covers with flexplate, balencer, and water pump
Date Posted:23:47:03 09/30/09 Wed
i have a rotating assembly for a 454 block with some heads. call me if you are interested @ 832-646-2273. i can work with you on a price. mabe you can get the block from the other guy and my rotating assembly and make a complete motor,
Date Posted:18:13:06 09/29/09 Tue
what race fuel should i use octane wise 415 chevy 13.5 to 1 compression brodix track 1 heads with some work and spraying
Date Posted:10:29:19 09/30/09 Wed
Is there any problems with running a fule too high in octane?
What if a motor would do fine on 110, what if you ran 116 in it, could you hurt anything?
[> [> [> Subject: slows down
Author:
Just another blower/nitrous guy ...
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Date Posted:21:07:37 09/30/09 Wed
burn rate/speed is too slow. timing and jet changes req
d to correct for the ass raping you got on the fuel
Date Posted:21:06:30 09/30/09 Wed
IM A FAN OF OFF THE CHAINS I LIKE THE CAR AND WAS WONDERING WHEN HIM AND LIL GOING TO RUN I WANNA SEE THAT ITS GONE BE GOOD BUT OFF THE CHAINS GOT IT
Date Posted:18:47:40 09/30/09 Wed
The man has been in intensive care for over a week with severe pneumonia and a heart attack. If you've ever had a chance to meet Stanley you know what a good person he is.
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Date Posted:21:40:37 09/28/09 Mon
LOOKING FOR A 53-54 2DOOR HARD TOP OR POST MAYBE EVEN A 4DOOR, SOMETHING I CAN FIX UP A LIL AT A TIME LET ME KNOW WHAT GOT ARE IF YOU KNOW OF SOMEONE WITH ONE THANKS GUYS
Date Posted:06:00:53 09/30/09 Wed
HEY JOE WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE AN EVENT FOR FORCED INDUCTION, BUT ALSO LEAVE IT OPEN FOR THOSE NITROUS GUYS THAT FEEL THAT THEY CAN HANG, THIS WAY THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT. NOT INTENDED TO BE A SMART ASS!
Date Posted:07:09:54 09/30/09 Wed
Your adding another payout to be met and splitting in two a class that is still working with an average car count.Myself I like to see them both running close together.
Date Posted:13:42:09 09/30/09 Wed
MAYBE I WAS MISLEADING BY ADDING THE (8.5) TO THE TITLE, BUT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO EXPRESS WAS MAYBE JOE SHOULD PUT ON A FORCED INDUCTION EVENT, NOT SPLIT THE 8.5 CLASS. I'M QUITE SURE THAT THERE A LOT OF PLAYERS THAT READ THIS BOARD THAT WOULDN'T MIND COMING TO HMP FOR A BASH, ESPECIALLY NOW SINCE THE WEATHER IS COOLING DOWN. LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN FOR NITROUS GUYS TO GET IN WHERE THEY FIT IN, CAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT NO-ONE REALLY WANTS TO PLAY WITH THE TURBOS AND BLOWERS BECAUSE MOST ARE UNPREDICABLE AND ARE NOT EASY PREY FOR THOSE THAT HAVE WELL SORTTED NITROUS TUNED CARS, THUS CHANGING THE RULES TO AN OLD GAME. NOBODY WANTS TO LOOSE, BUT EVERYONE IS IN THE GAME!
[> [> [> Subject: WE ONLY HAVE 2 CARS AND THEY COME ALREADY.....
Date Posted:14:38:24 09/30/09 Wed
NO NEED TO REINVENT THE 8.5 WHEEL.. THERE AIN'T ENOUGH CARS OUT THERE THAT WOULD COME RACE. NITROUS CARS ARE ABOUT 50 TO 1, MAYBE 100 TO 1 OF TURBO/BLOWN.
MAYBE IT IS A GOOD IDEA BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT IS THERE!
Date Posted:10:27:38 09/30/09 Wed
Whata u say we put sum 8.5's on her and put yr drivin skills to the test,This class is gettin pretty damn interesting !!! And to the rest of Ya, I DARE Ya to challenge him, Tell'em he aint got a chance in hell-to come on over any time Big Boy. !!! (He aint nothin but a Tuff Street punk, This is a MANS class here.)Lol...
Date Posted:14:40:25 09/29/09 Tue
I'm trying to order some disc brakes for my rearend but I'm not sure if it's a big ford or small ford. I had it narrowed awhile back and have seen big ford housing ends in the jegs book so I don't know if it was upgraded or not when it was narrowed, how do I tell?
Date Posted:01:24:56 09/30/09 Wed
It was narrowed back in 02, that's how long I've been working on the damn thing. I'm pretty sure it's a big bearing now that I look at it more closely, I was just curious how you tell for sure.
Date Posted:09:38:40 09/30/09 Wed
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Date Posted:09:29:53 09/30/09 Wed
looking for a used good/quality- air-water intercooler...need one thats guaranteed not to leak, no bad cores... please... Thanks, Danny 512 332 1496
Date Posted:15:26:21 09/29/09 Tue
where is the best place to take a 6.0 ford diesel that needs the icm replaced and reprogrammed? I heard Bayway lincoln mercury was good. Any thoughts?
Date Posted:17:38:54 09/29/09 Tue
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[> [> Subject: Another for TRM, Todd is good people and you get what you pay for.
Date Posted:09:28:21 09/30/09 Wed
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Subject: THANKS MIRANDA FOR THE VIDEOS! CLICK HERE TO SEND HER AN E-MAIL FOR EVENT VIDEOS!
Date Posted:21:15:45 09/28/09 Mon
thanks for the embarrasment in public. thats just racing, i was trying to tell myself he treed me real bad but it was just ass draging at its best, good call on the bars mouse crew. little more tuneing and ill figure out how to get it to leave without killing a ton of power. been told nose weight. but buy the looks of it i just dont have the power to keep up no matter who i run. car is for sale $13000. maybe i should stick with 4 wheelin. good call red, me and daniel can lose with out your help. p.s. i'm still looking for my rematch with slater.
[> [> Subject: why does a backhalf car run a stock suspension car
Author:
sunday nighter whos glad hillbilly has return
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Date Posted:21:16:22 09/28/09 Mon
atleast we will see a few grudge races go down.
Date Posted:22:05:13 09/28/09 Mon
why do you call it a stock suspension car there is no way it has all stock suspension I here that all the time from all the mustang guys
Date Posted:22:15:48 09/28/09 Mon
GETTING IN THE GATE $10.00 GETTING A BURGER & FRY $7.00 HILLBILLY LOSEING A LITTLE MONEY ??? THE FACE OF ALL THE MUSTANG GUY'S LOSING THERE MONEY ........PRICELESS........
Date Posted:22:38:18 09/28/09 Mon
He meant stock style susp. it dosent have the actual bars the car came with, didnt mean to confuse you we will talk slower.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: RED.. YOU MEAN TYPE SLOWER!!!! I HAVE FOUND IF I TYPE TOO FAST I LOOSE MOST EVERYONE IN EVADALE!
Date Posted:07:50:58 09/29/09 Tue
the luv look good. but can he out run billys blue camaro sbc.thats why they say they dont run family they cant out run him.lol
Date Posted:09:29:57 09/29/09 Tue
i would nomaly not race a backhalf car but i like to race and i think i got more cubes and i got 2 kits so it should be a good race even though that truck gets out their quick. and yes any bolt on suspention is stock, ajustabale our not. no matter what you can not get a ladder bar allowed in no stock suspention class. had a great race and will be glad to lose again trying.
Date Posted:10:31:00 09/29/09 Tue
(You Know How) Yes the truck can out run Billy's blue car there you have it.So get off Billy's nut's an bring your ass with money to the track an get you some since you want to see us race so bad bring it don't sing it.
Date Posted:11:07:59 09/29/09 Tue
GOT 5 STACKS ON THAT ONE WHEN YOU WANT TO LOCK IT LET ME GET WITH BILLY SEE WHEN HE WANTS TO DRAG THAT LUVS ASS FAMILY OR NO FAMILY....
Date Posted:14:14:51 09/29/09 Tue
you need to bring that shit to HMP, so you can stop hiding you and billy. so these 3 cars can drag your assssssssssssssss.
Date Posted:10:43:15 09/29/09 Tue
WE ALLOW LADDERBARS IN THIS CLASS, BUT IT CAN NOT BE BACKHALF. BUT HAVE ALL THE STOCK REAR FRAME RAILS IN TACK. MINI TUBBS ONLY. STOCK SUPENSION HAS OVER THE YEARS HAS SHOWN VERY MUCH SUPERIORITY.
Date Posted:10:52:59 09/29/09 Tue
....big thanks for MIRANDA for they dedication thats put into the video's that are done n posted, love to watch the ass draggin !,...an thanks JOE for stay'in up late n post'n the pic's after the shootouts, ya do a good job with that fancy camera...LOL, n thanks to scott 2 !
Date Posted:12:10:58 09/29/09 Tue
RED LET ME GO A LITTLE SLOWER FOR YOU.AAAAA MUSTANGGGG HASSSS AAAA 4-LINKKKKK FROMMMM THEEEE STARTTTTT SOOOO YOUUUU CANNNNN CHANGEEEE THEEE BAR'SSS NOWWWWW ITTTT ISSSS AAAA BADDD ASSSSS 4-LINKKKK RIGHTTTT.YOU MUST BE ONE OF THEM MUSTANG GUY'S. A## HOLEEEEE
Date Posted:21:14:21 09/29/09 Tue
trying to find a place that rents trailers i have a extended cab dually that will not fit on a 16ft car hauler so im looking for a 20 ft i could rent for the day any info would be greatly appreciated thanks
Date Posted:21:02:22 09/29/09 Tue
LETS TAKE ALL WEIGHT OUT OF CARS AND LETS SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO ON 8.5S. THINK IT IS COOL THAT THESE CARS R GOING 5:30 R SO. MOST OF THESE LADDERBAR TUBED OUT CARS DO NOT GO THIS FAST.
Date Posted:07:01:49 09/30/09 Wed
I am trying to get a car together for 8.5 but its going at a snails pace.I think something along those lines once or twice per year would be interesting from a spectator point (might have more of a grudge race feel to it). Maybye a non points race or something but still a payout and a little wager on the side?It might also encurage some other cars that dont run to possibly to give it a try.I also think the weights are getting better but just be careful how much weight you add to a car each round I also want the class to grow not shrink.I would like to hear what Joe thinks please.
Date Posted:22:30:41 09/28/09 Mon
WE CAN DO THIS FOR THE NEXT RACE IF EVERYONE IS AGREEABLE!
SMALL BLOCKS NITROUS KNOCK OFF #100, RUN AT #3000
SMALL BLOCK BLOWN LEAVE THAT WHERE IT IS NOW @ #3100
***TENTATIVE TURBO RULES ***
WE CAN RUN TURBOS BUT ADD ENOUGH WEIGHT TO KEEP THEM IN LINE WITH EVERYONE ELSE. RIGHT NOW SB TURBO IS 3350. I SUGGESTED NO TURBOS BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR THE BITCHIN IF WE ADD WEIGHT.. LOOKS LIKE I'M GOING TO GET BITCHIN ANYWAY.
EVERYONE PRETTY WELL KNOWS WHAT NITROUS BB CHEVYS AND NITROUS SB CHEVYS RUN.. WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF THE WEIGHT BREAKS TO KEEP THE CLASS KINDA EVEN. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TURBO STUFF CAN RUN SO IT'S JUST A GUESS HOW MUCH WEIGHT TO ADD.
I GUESS THE PROBLEM WITH LETTING TURBO'S RUN, NOBODY KNOWS REALLY WHAT WEIGHT BREAKS TO USE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS LIMITED WITH WEIGHT BREAKS. IT IS ALL DONE TO KEEP THE FIELDS CLOSE.
UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE CORRECT WEIGHT BREAKS FOR TURBO'S THE WEIGHTS WILL BE ADJUSTED ON A ROUND BY ROUND BASES. A TURBO CAR THAT GOES .04 QUICKER THAN THE NUMBER #1 QUALIFER HE GETS #100 ADDED BEFORE OR DURNING THE RACE. NHRA HAS A SIMILIAR DEAL THEY DO IN COMP ELIMINATOR BUT THEY ADJUST THE INDEX. WE WILL ADJUST THE WEIGHT.
TURBOS CAN RUN IN 8.5 OUTLAW BUT THE WEIGHTS WILL BE ADJUSTED ROUND BY ROUND. THESE ARE THE RULES NOW AND THIS IS WHERE WE WILL START: SB TURBOS START AT #3350, BB TURBOS START AT #3550. IF A TURBO GOES .04 QUICKER THAN THE #1 QUALIFIER IN QUALIFYING OR DURING THE RACE, ADD #100 FOR THE NEXT ROUND. IF YOU GO MORE THAN .04 IN THE FINAL ROUND YOU GET RUNNER UP MONEY.
Date Posted:23:33:12 09/28/09 Mon
So what happens when a 3 kit nos car goes faster than .04 than the leader ? isnt that littel overbord round by round to change a chassis weight with out testing how it will effect the way the car runs strait side to side who knows . someone can get fucked up bad that way (SAFTY) YES I KNOW WE ARE ALL DRAG RACING AND SHIT HAPPENS . But i dont want to see any racer get hert. becuse when you get to the point of sb turbo @ 5,000 lbs someone will smack the wall .
[> [> Subject: MR BOOST WHERE DID YOU GET THE SMACK THE WALL CACULATOR, YOU GOT A LINK YOU CAN POST?
Date Posted:00:56:40 09/29/09 Tue
MOST RACERS REALIZE ALL MOTOR-SPORT RACING IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN WATCHING TV. EVERY DRIVER AND CREW MEMBER IS REQUIRED TO SIGN A RELEASE WHEN YOU TECH IN, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW TO PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK HERE BUDDY.
I WOULD THINK IT IS UP TO THE PERSON TO DECIDE IF HE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT THE RISK OF THE PASS HE IS ABOUT TO MAKE. IF SOMEONE DOESN'T THINK THEIR CAR IS SAFE THEY CAN LOAD UP, NOBODY HAS A GUN TO ANYONES HEAD SAYING THEY HAVE TO MAKE A PASS. I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE LOAD UP WHEN THERE IS A HEAVY DEW, THATS THERE CALL. I SEEN RATDADDY MAKE A BOTTOM 4SEC PASS WITH ICE ON THE ROOF OF SOME CARS AND THE TEMP WAS IN THE HIGH 30 DEGREE MARK.
RAT TOOK THE RESPONSIBILITY UPON HIMSELF TO MAKE THE PASS, NOBODY HAD A GUN TO HIS HEAD. IT ALL UP TO THE PERSON WHEN YOU SIGN A REALEASE WHAT CHANCES YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE. I'M GUESSING RATDADDY DOESN'T GO BY YOUR SMACK THE WALL CACULATOR.
I WILL NOT HOLD A GUN TO ANYONE THAT HAS A TURBO 8.5 OUTLAW AND MAKE THEM RACE BY THESE RULES. SIGN THE WAIVER AND COME RACE OR WATCH TV. I HAVE NO CONTROL OF THE DECISIONS PEOPLE MAKE. I'M TRY TO KEEP PARIDY IN 8.5 OUTLAW -SOME WILL COME RUN SOME WON'T. I THINK WE WILL DO JUST FINE WITH OR WITHOUT TURBOS. I'M NOT GOING TO LET THE TURBOS RUN 2 TENTHS QUICKER THAN THE NITROUS CARS AND KILL A SUPER GOOD 8.5 CLASS.
[> [> [> Subject: AND ONE OTHER THING.. NHRA CHANGES THE "WEIGHT" ROUND BY ROUND IN COMP!
Date Posted:01:02:51 09/29/09 Tue
NOW IT MIGHT BE A BIT OVERBOARD IF A TURBO CAR GOES .04 FASTER IN THE FINAL AND WINS BUT GETS RUNNER UP MONEY. THIS RULE IS TO DISCOURAGE SANDBAGGING......
Date Posted:08:32:28 09/29/09 Tue
Weight is NOT adjusted in Comp Elim. Index is adjusted if a racer goes over 50 under in any round. Weight IS adjusted in Super Stock but not comp elim.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Here is what i posted, in the very first post ,"A TURBO CAR THAT GOES .04 QUICKER THAN THE NUMBER #1 QUALIFER HE GETS #100 ADDED BEFORE OR DURNING THE RACE. NHRA HAS A SIMILIAR DEAL THEY DO IN COMP ELIMINATOR BUT THEY ADJUST THE INDEX. WE WILL ADJUST THE WEIGHT.
Date Posted:11:00:24 09/29/09 Tue
I used "WEIGHT" in quotes in the second post to paraphrase what i said in the first post.. a little web short hand i THOUGHT races would understand, my bad.
Date Posted:12:23:23 09/29/09 Tue
so tell me its ok to run a .04 faster then the leader if you are a nos car is what your saying ? but if its a turbo car we need to add more weight ?
[> Subject: Speaking as a turbo guy... I wouldn't run with that rule..
Date Posted:10:00:30 09/29/09 Tue
If you want to play with an ET/weight penalty rule, move the margin. .04 is too tight. Using Tuff Street as an example where the #1 qualifier is a tenth, to a tenth and a half ahead of the entire field would be a good place to start. So if you want to stick with a et/weight penalty, I'd recommend you increase it from .04 to .1.
Date Posted:12:52:34 09/29/09 Tue
Why not limit the turbo car to a stock type susp. that way all the turbo guy are running with backhalf cars 700ci on 3 kits . and that would be fair for both side and not screw up the class .
Date Posted:15:54:26 09/29/09 Tue
thats fine with me evrybodys scared of turbo mustangs anyway . you really dont see alot of other type cars running tubos . your smart
Date Posted:17:19:24 09/29/09 Tue
BOOST WHY DON'T YOU JUST STOP CRYING NOW I SEE WHY THEY ARE SAYING WE ALL CRY ABOUT MUSTANGS BEING STOCK WE ALL KNOW THEY COME WITH 4 LINK THATS WHY WE CHANGE ALL 4 CORNERS AN K MEMBERS ON THEM SO STOP MAKING ALL OF US LOOK BAD
Date Posted:19:35:58 09/28/09 Mon
Have a 2900lb camaro that runs 6.30 in the eight mile running 4.56 gears,and a 5000 stall leaving wide open off the transbrake.my question is would it go faster in the 1/8 mile if i went to 5.14 gears.Its a powerglide trans and im shifting at 7500 rpms. thanks
Date Posted:19:59:50 09/28/09 Mon
You said you are shifting at 7500 but you didn't mention what your rpm is when you cross the finish line! It may if you cross the line below the max rpm limit! Tire height is another way you may change that if it is barely off when you go through the traps. You should stand at the finish line and listen at all the cars with too much gear start laboring because of it before you decide if you are crossing the line near your shift rpm!
Date Posted:20:10:17 09/28/09 Mon
I have 29.5x 10.5w on it,i shift the glide at 7500 into high gear and cross at 6800 thru the 1/4 mile,it runs 6.30 in the 1/8th.Im wanting to just run 1/8 mile now and was told 5.14 might be good for just 1/8 mile and that it would probaly go faster,looking for some one who has experienced gear changes for 1/8 mile.Im aslo running just motor. thanks
Date Posted:17:17:20 09/29/09 Tue
More gear should make your car quicker! First, I would check out your trap speed rpm in the 1/8 the way the car is set up now! "Suspensions and How They Work", just under the Texas Tuff Street logo at the top of the page has a formula that can help you choose the right gear! Hope this helps!
Date Posted:15:12:57 09/29/09 Tue
I am wondering if my carb is big enough. I have a Quickfuel 1250 cfm that I purchased form Jeg's. My car weighs #2760 w/driver, mini-tubbed, ladder bar, 29.5/10.5w, 3.89 gear, 10" converter, w/ glide. The motor is a 632 bbc w/ Brodix 18* big dukes. 14.5 comp,profiler intake, 825-850 lift/ 116 lobe center. The car runs 8.30s in the 1/4 mile on motor (have nos but don't have the tune-up right yet because it only runs 7.70s with it). I built the car and motor myself so it has never been on a dyno. would a larger cfm carb help me. Would like car to run 7.90s to 8.10s on motor.
Date Posted:15:25:03 09/29/09 Tue
Got an e-mail response from Pro Systems carbs, they recommended one of their custom 1600 cfm carbs said it woulb be good for 2-3 mph ?.
Subject: Looking for a set of decent MT Drag radials
Date Posted:14:18:28 09/29/09 Tue
I'm wanting to try a set of 275,295,315 or 325 MT Drag radials. If anyone has a set with some decent meat left and want to sell them or trade for a set of good Hoosier 29x10.5Ws just let me know. I just want to try a different quicker tire. I would consider a MT or Hoosier 9" radial slick also.
Post what ya got.
Subject: WHILE I'M THINKING ABOUT IT SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY TURBO'S IN 8.5 OUTLAWS WE MAY JUST BAN THEM FROM THE CLASS... OIR LIMIT THE SIZE OF A SINGLE THE TURBO
Date Posted:20:27:25 09/27/09 Sun
Its your race Joe but because of the weight you have put on them i doubt you'll get anybody that could be competetive unless they were big block and you just dont see many big block turbo combo's. Its also kinda hard to swallow the fact that a small block procharger car can run at 3100lbs and a small block turbo combo has to come in at 3350lbs just sayin my2$
[> [> Subject: A NICE NITROUS MOTORS CAN MAKE 3 TO 3.5 HP PER CUBIC INCH.. A BLOWN CAR CAN MAKE MAYBE 4 - 4.5 HP PER CUBIC INCH.. A TURBO CAR CAN MAKE 6.5 TO 7 HP PER CUBIC INCH..
Date Posted:21:00:25 09/27/09 Sun
A BLOWN CAR EATS HP JUST TO DRIVE THE BLOWER, A TURBO CAR HAS NO DRAG ON THE ENGINE NOR STEALS ANY HP IT MAKES TO DRIVE THE TURB. CHECK MY FIGURES THEY ARE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT I THINK THE COMPARISON IS CLOSE.
IT IS UNEDUCATED TO TRY AND RUN A BLOWN CAR AT THE SAME WEIGHT AS A TURBO CAR, THE BLOWN CAR BECOMES NON COMPETITIVE.
WITH THE ABOVE FIGURES A 565 BLOWN CAR @ 4.5 HP.CI MAKES 2550 HP... A 565 TURBO CAR MAKING 6.5HP PER CUBIC INCH WILL MAKE 3672 HP.
THE TURBO CAR WITH THE SAME ENGINE MAKES 1100 MORE HP... WHY LET A CAR WITH 1100 HP MORE RUN AT THE SAME WEIGHT???
I DON'T KNOW HOW EFFICIENT TURBO ARE ON BIG MOTORS, SMALL CUBIC TURBO MOTORS DO MAKE 6 TO 7 HP PER CUBIC INCH.. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU SLICE AND DICE IT A TURBO MOTOR OVER THE SAME CUBIC INCH/SAME WEIGHT BLOWN OR NITROUS MOTOR WILL EAT THE LATTER ALIVE. IT'S JUST THE FACTS, OFTEN OVER LOOKED BY THE PUBLIC OR THE GUYS WITH NITROUS MOTORS THAT DON'T LIKE TO LINE UP WITH 285 CUBIC INCHES OF PRO CHARGER FORD.. WHAT WE GONNA DO WHEN A 285 FORD SHOWS UP WITH A 114 MM TURBO?? @ 7HP PER CUBIC INCH THAT'S 2000 HP FORM A 285 4 VALVE ENGINE, LETS HOPE THE BLOCKS WON'T HOLD THAT KIND OF POWER!! -OR NIP IT IN THE BUD, NOW -NO TURBOS, SAVE US SOME GRIEF!!
Date Posted:21:02:15 09/27/09 Sun
THATS THE BEST IDEA YOU HAVE HAD IN A LONG TIME JOE!!!!! ALL TURBO CARS WILL DO IS SCREW UP THE CLASS....MYSELF I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BAN ALL BOOSTED CARS.... BUT I WILL BE SATISFIED WITH JUST TURBO CARS...
Date Posted:21:43:56 09/27/09 Sun
I agree with you to a certain degree Joe, but you are talking about what "might" happen What if they put an even larger procharger on that car or maybe Richard and those guys put 2 or 3 kits on top of the supercharger on their blue car what if Kenny puts a 740 inch motor in the orange car, what if Hay Hauler John put's 26's on the truck when he gets it going what if, what if at this point the really cool thing about the class is who knows what will show up due to the lack of rules. Bottom line, they all gotta do it on 26" tires, and remember, you thought Kenny was just gonna "Fuck Up" everything and now it's all good cause evryone else has stepped up their program. I say lets see what happens and then adjust the rules if you need to or maybe lets just call it the TXNDRL instead of the TXDRL hahaha just sayin Joe
Date Posted:21:53:49 09/27/09 Sun
YOU CANT DO THAT BECAUSE THEN YOU GET A BUNCH OF GUYS REALLY PISSED OFF WHEN THEY SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY ON A TURBO SETUP AND THEY COME OUT AND RIDE THE DOTS AND KICK EVERYONES ASS AND THEN YOU DECIDE TO KICK THEM OUT.....PUTTING THE NO TURBO RULE IN THE RULE BOOK NOW WILL SAVE JOE A REAL BIG ASS CHEWING IN THE FUTURE...
Date Posted:21:54:37 09/27/09 Sun
So let me understand something, some guys build a bad ass car and come out and preform in a bad ass way, and all you guys bitch whenever they come out and run with the leader of the class. Heck they didnt even come out and blow the class away, kenny still has the txdrl record guys. WTF?? This is crazy talk. Just race you fucking cry babies.
[> [> Subject: TAKE A BREATH DON... WE'RE TALKING TURBO CARS.. NO BODY HAS EVER RUN THE TXDRL 8.5 OUTLAW CLASS WITH A TURBO... WE ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE PROCHARGER RULES
Date Posted:22:40:54 09/27/09 Sun
BRIAN I'M NOT REALLY TALKING WHAT IF'S... TURBO'S TOOK THE TT5 CLASS FROM 4.90'S TO 4.60'S, THAT HAPPENED.. TURBO'S TOOK THE THE OUTLAW 10.5 CLASS FROM 4.50 -4.60'S TO HIGH 4.20'S.. THAT'S FACTS AND THAT HAPPENED.
ONCE THE TURBO CARS SHOW UP IT WILL BE HARD TO KICK THEM OUT, LIKE THE ABOVE POSTER SAID I'M GOING TO GET A BIG ASS CHEWING. I THINK YOUR SAYING LETS STICK OUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND MAYBE IT WON'T HAPPEN THAT'S A BIG MAYBE.. I DON'T GET YOUR TXDRL COMMENT. WOULD YOU BE HAPPY IF WE JUST SAID 1 RULE 8.5 TIRE... ??
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Date Posted:22:55:22 09/27/09 Sun
I would say let a few actually show up and run the class before you go and make any changes. If someone with a turbo 8.5 car shows up and runs the table , then make changes accordingly. Until then if it aint broke dont fix it. You would not be doing anything but limiting cars possibly interested in the class. Just my honest opinion. No, I do not race in the class. This is strictly a bench racer point of view.
[> [> [> [> Subject: HOW ABOUT WE RUN THE TURBO'S... BUT THE RACERS CAN VOTE 'EM OUT IF THEY WANT!!
Date Posted:00:31:27 09/28/09 Mon
WHAT IS EVERYBODY AFRAID? THATS LIKE SAYING IF A NO2 GUY WINS ALL THE TIME YOU WILL NEED TO CHANGE THE RULES WHAT NEXT ALL MOTOR . LOOK MY CAR HAS BEEN BEAT BUY A NOS CAR IN NOT AFRAID TO RUN ANOTHER NOS CAR. THATS WHY WE ALL GO TO THE TRACK TO SEE HOW FAST WE CAN GO. ITS ALOT HARDER FOR A GUY TO DRIVE A TURBO CAR THAN NOS SO REALLY JUST BECUSE A TURBO CAR SHOW UP DONT MEAN ITS GOING TO WIN .I LIKE GOING TO TXDRL BUT IF ITS ALL NOS CLASSES I THINK YOU WILL HERT THE LEAGE IN THE LONG RUN PROCHARGER & TURBO CARS ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE COMMON . I THOUGHT THE CLASS WAS (8.5 OUTLAW ) NOT TRYING TO BE AN ASS BUT I DONT AGREE BUT ITS YOUR RACE YOU DO AS YOU PLEASE .
Date Posted:00:18:51 09/28/09 Mon
Here's a suggestion. Something to think about, and an easy way to control the turbo cars from getting out of control.
This is supposed to be a ground level class, I think.
The turbo classes that got fucked up was because they ran alchohol$$,fuel injection$$, and innercoolers$$.
Those three things allowed them to run high boost and make big HP.
Make it a single, blow thru turbo on gasoline and no external innercooler.
Gasoline is easy enough to detect, so is a carburated car with no innercooler. Or maybe give them an external air to air innercooler only, or maybe alchohol only, and no cooler??? But blow thru turbos only.
10-15 pounds of boost makes ALOT less HP than 35-50 pounds of boost.
Date Posted:00:46:51 09/28/09 Mon
I THINK IT SHOULD BE 1 RULE IF IT WILL HOOK ON 8.5 RUN IT THATS RACING. GREAT IDEA . OR MAKE A NEW CLASS FOR TURBO CARS THE OTHER CLASSES AT TXDRL ARE PRETTY MUCH ALL NOS . IT MIGHT WORK
Date Posted:01:16:01 09/28/09 Mon
BEN WHAT DID YOU WEIGHT SAT NITE IN TUFF STREET.. I SAW THE 5.25 AND YOU MENTIONED WITH BIG JOSH TUNING THE WASTE GATE YOU AIN'T DONE YET!!
NOW IF I READ CORRECT IF YOU RAN 8.5 OUTLAW YOU NEED TO WEIGH #3350.. I'M THINKING THATS CLOSE TO TUFF STREET WEIGHT, THATS WHY I'M ASKING... AND WHAT MOTOR AND TURBO ARE YOU RUNNING.. I SAID 370 SOMETHING INCHES AND A 78MM TURBO, SURLEY YOU SAID 88MM.
I NEED SOME HELP I'M TRYING TO KEEP YOU OUT OF 8.5 OUTLAW, LOL!!
Date Posted:09:09:37 09/28/09 Mon
You paging me to throw my $.02 in w/out a single "Fuck You"? This feels weird don't it? LOL
For Tuff Street I had to weigh 3250#. I run a 377 w/ an 88mm turbo and an air/air intercooler. Tuffs Street/Ultimate Street/TTT5 all allow air/water. I just haven't made the switch yet as the last class I ran in didn't allow air/water (COTT's Cheap Street).
My car has been stuck in the 5.40's for a year now. What got me in the .20's this weekend was a lot of suspension re-work from Coach (just to get it to go straight) and boost controller tuning from Josh. I say there's more in it because I haven't put the air/water in the car yet.
I've toyed with the idea of running 8.5, but adding another 100# and having to buy new wheels isn't enticing. I made a comment a while back. Tuff Street limits turbos to small blocks only, 88mm, and 3250#. Nitrous guys can only run 1 kit. 8.5 rules don't limit the turbo, in fact big blocks can run one if they want, and they have to weigh 3350# and nitrous guys can hang as many kits off of the motor as they want. You guys are scared of a turbo, and already talking about banning them, yet not one has showed up to race 8.5 w/ a turbo. What do you have to be scared of? That's like banning the Boogie Man. Has he been there to race in 8.5 yet?
My $.02 is leave the rules alone for the rest of the year. In fact, I'd probably leave them alone for 2010 because this is an OUTLAW style class. Run the tire, make the weight, then get in the lanes. However, if you guys want to slow it down/limit it, and make it a rules class that isn't an Outlaw style, then I'd say limit the # of kits on the nitrous cars and limit the size of the turbo (and blower). I'm sure even the nitrous guys don't want to see somebody like Kyle Huettel show up with his 810ci and 4 kits with 8.5's on it...and I'm not bashing on Kyle! Just the same as having somebody like Kenjo show up with his car and 8.5's on it. Who wants to see 114mm turbo car with 8.5 tires? It would be entertaining to see it the first time, but it would kill the class just as quick as an 810ci 4 kit nitrous car.
Date Posted:14:51:29 09/28/09 Mon
Thanks for the above reply, the 8.5 tire will 60' 1.31..
I'm trying to figure "if" to allow turbos in 8.5 but with restrictions.. I'm afraid an unlimited turbo application in 8.5 could be hurtful, i don't want the class to get "upside down". If a turbo application "gets on the tire" at same place as everyone else that would be great, we could keep the class unlimited.
Date Posted:14:57:46 09/28/09 Mon
I thought the spirit of this class originally was to give something that the average budget racer could compete in heads up, but that very quickly changed when the slower true 10 guys stepped back to run in it. Guys with $30k plus motors, etc... I finally picked up an aftermarket block with thoughts of trying to run in this class, but the truth is by the time its built I won't be able to hang. Even if I could squeeze 1k horsepower out of it at small block weight I still couldn't hang with these 1500 + horsepower cars.
OK, I'm whining, nothing to do with the turbos. But as Ben said, I wouldn't ban them this year or next. Let the class grow and see what happens.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: iink there would be any problems allowing a turbo with a blow thru carb..
Date Posted:13:10:28 09/29/09 Tue
THE GUY COMPLAINING IS BUILDING A 331 WITH 88MM AND A BLOW THRU CARB, HAS TO RUN AT #3350, GOT TO RUN 5.30 TO BE UP FRONT -GOT MAD BECAUSE I WAS TALKING ABOUT BANNING TURBOS IN 8.5!
NOW THAT'S FUNNY!
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Date Posted:11:53:12 09/29/09 Tue
GREAT VIDEO KEVIN, LOTS OF TUFF STREET, TREVOR'S RECORD SETTING 5.00 TUFF STREET/UNLIMITED STREET PASS!! GOT'S SOME 8.5 OUTLAW RACING , SOME 5.80 INDEX. IT'S HARD TO ATCH THE NITE TIME RACING STUFF BUT KEVIN "GETETSERDONE".. YOU CAN BY AN EVENT DVD FROM KEVINS WEB SITE NITROARTVIDEO.COM. THANKS KEVIN!!
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Subject: RULE DISCUSSION FOR 2010 Tuff Street / Ultimate Street
Date Posted:11:44:43 09/29/09 Tue
Joe if you don't mind, since the Ultimate Street has very much a part of Tuff Street. Its my concern that they should not be left out on our rule concern for 2010. We are working real hard to keep comparity in the classes, and also simularity. Its been very helpful to the racers this pass year not having to change anything with their combos to come race with both organizations to help make them succesful. We are looking for growth as the economy let up for next year. I feel the racers that are planning on running with these organizations next year need to know and have there imput on the rules for the upcoming season.
Ultimate Street has an rule committee that will go over these concerns and inputs. We will also put a committee together for Tuff Street also, or combine them as one since these are both Houston classes that have been working together very successfully.
We are now seeing that the 8.5 outlaws are growing, and alot of fires to put out. Rules are being worked on as see here on Joe's website. These classes are the future of Houston, We need to give our spectators something to enjoy and keep them on there feet at the tracks.
If you have rules concerns please visit @ U/S & T/S only www.ultimatestreet.us in the Rule section, you must register with this forum to become a part of it. No names will not be considered.
Thanks Joe, looking out for next year to come.
Coach
Date Posted:14:17:57 09/27/09 Sun
YOU CAN BUY A DVD OF THE ENTIRE TXDRL RACE FOR $20 BUCKS FOR MIRANDA, CONTACT HER: MANDOZ@AOL.COM. IF YOU WANT A COMPLETE VIDEO OF A SUNDAY NITE THE DVD IS $10, CONTACT MIRANDA: MANDOZ67@AOL.COM. THANKS MIRANDA!!
HERE IS TREVOR STRIPLING IN HIS STRYCT9 CAMARO WITH AN INCREDIBLE 5.00. AFTER THE RACE TREVOR LET US LOOK AT HIS CAR, PULLED THE CARB AND GAVE US A FLASHLITE. THE CAR IS LEGAL, WE WERE ALLOWED TO LOOK AT ANYTHING WE WANTED.
ME, COACH, PIPELINE AND MIKE KURTZ AND I FORGET WHO ELSE CHECKED OUT TREVORS CAR. I WANT TO SAY TREVOR IS THE TECH DIRECTOR FOR TUFF STREET AND HELPS ME TREMENDOUSLY WITH THE TXDRL. HE HAS TO ANSWER TO A HIGHER STANDARD FOR HIS CAR THAN THE REST OF THE GUYS. TREVOR HAS GIVEN ME HIS WORD HE IS NOT CHEATING, I BELIEVE HIM, HEY I WAS SKEPTICAL AT FIRST, LOL. I WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE HELPING WITH THE TXDRL IF I THOUGHT THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING UNETHICAL.
NO DISRESPECT TO GARLAND BUT WHEN HIS JASON GRACE TUNED MUSTANG WENT A 5.11 LAST NITE TO ME AND I THINK EVERYONE, IT TOOK SOME HEAT OFF TREVORS 5.40.. BUT NEXT PASS TREVOR RUNS A 5.00 -WELL IT DID PUT A COUPLE DEGREES HEAT BACK ON TREVOR BUT NOTHING LIKE THE 2,000 DEGRESS HE WAS FADING, LOL!
I'M TELLING YOU WE HAD A GREAT TIME, THE TXDRL IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE SUCH GREAT GUYS PARTICIPATING IN THE EVENTS.
NOW FOR TREVOR, WATCH THE VIDEO. TREVORS CAR LEAVES UNLIKE ANY CAR I HAVE EVER SEEN IN 40 YEARS OF DRAG RACING AND NO WHEELIE BARS. IF THERE IS ANY "MAGIC" IN TREVORS CAR IT IS IN THE "LEAVE". TREVOR SAID LAST NITE WHAT HE DOES IS "MICRO MANAGE" THE HIT. WITHOUT WHEELIE BARS THAT MADE HIM CONCENTRATE ON THE HIT. TREVOR RUNS A DIGITAL 6AL BOX WITH AN EXTRA RETARD BOX AND A COUPLE OF DIGISETS, NO 7531!! THERE IS NO NITROUS CONTROLLER ON THE CAR. I HOPE THIS IS NOT A SECRET, TREVOR WILL TELL YOU IN PERSON HE MANAGES HIS TIMING IS HOW HE GETS THE CAR TO LEAVE. HE HAS CAL TRACKS WITH SPLIT LEAF SPRINGS, NO MAGIC HERE.
THAQNKS MIRANDA FOR THE VIDEO!
ONE LAST THING OF MYSTERY. TREVOR DOES NOT HAVE A COMPUTER aka A "RACE PACK" ON HIS CAR. TREVOR'S JOB IS INSTRUMENTATION IN A OIL REFINERY AND HE WORKS WITH ELECTRONICS.
TREVOR HAS BUILT HIS OWN STYLE ON-BOARD COMPUTER FROM READILY AVAILABLE PARTS. HIS SCREEN IS A BLANK SCREEN THAT HE PROGRAMED, MADE UP HIS OWN PROGRAM, TO SHOW GAUGES, RPMS, WHAT EVER HE WANTS TO LOOK AT. HE WIRED IN SENSORS JUST LIKE RACEPACKS DO TO ACQUIRE DATA, HE MADE UP HIS OWN PROGRAM HOW HIS COMPUTER SHOWS THE INPUTS ON HIS SCREEN.
TREVOR SAYS HIS COMPUTER DOES NOT CONTROL ANYTHING, IT JUST READS INPUT, NO OUTPUT SIGNALS. NOW ONE OTEHR THING IF HE USED HIS COMPUTER AS A CONTROLLER, IT WOULD BE LEGAL TO DO. NITROUS CONTROLLERS ARE LEGAL, IGNITION CONTROLLERS ARE LEGAL. HE SAYS HE CAN RUN JUST AS FAST WITHOUT HIS ON BOARD "HOME-MADE" RACEPACK... THATS ALL I KNOW
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Date Posted:15:32:47 09/27/09 Sun
I would imagine he will grudge race. Just make your car fit the rules he races under and you can have a grudge race trying to beat him.
[> [> [> Subject: i think it has something to do with 2 nitrous solenoids
Date Posted:16:15:25 09/27/09 Sun
so does he power up both at once or using the digi sets turn one then the other?you could leave with one a little fat then use the other one to lean it out more? just an idea..
Date Posted:18:06:04 09/27/09 Sun
Both solenoids are suppost to be wired togather so you can not use them as 2 kits. If it is not coming on( wired togather ) at the same time then it is illegal and he is running 2 kits. In my opionion that 2 solenoid rule should be eliminated and should have never been allowed.
Not saying this is why Trevor is going fast just saying this rule is dumb and should have never been made.
Date Posted:20:22:41 09/27/09 Sun
MAYBE N TUFF STREET NOT U/S HE CANT RUN THE SECOND SOLENOID SLASH SECOND KIT THERE. O WAIT HE WROTE THE RULES N TUFF STREET LETS C WHAT HE RUNS N EVADALE R IF HE EVEN SHOWS UP.
[> [> [> Subject: THE BADDEST MEANEST TUFF STREET/ULTIMATE STREET/TEXAS TRUE TEN CAR ON THE PLANET EARTH!!
Date Posted:18:09:31 09/27/09 Sun
TREVOR STRIPLING HAS GOT 'EM ALL SHOOK UP AND RIGHTLY SO!!
THE CLOSEST PASS TO TREVOR'S 5.00 TUFF STREET PASS IS GARLAND DEBORDS VERY RESPECTFUL 5.11. NOBODY IN HOUSTON, DALLAS, AUSTIN OT ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD IS CLOSE. AT FIRST EVEN ME HAD DOUBTS. I WOULD ASK TREVOR WAS HE DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL. IT IS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE TREVOR'S CAR IS 100% LEGAL AND WITHIN THE RULES! CONGRATS ON A KILLER PASS TREVOR!! WE GAVE HIM A PRETTY CLOSE "LOOKIE SEE" LAST NITE!!
THE RULES SAY YOU CAN HAVE 2 SOLENOIDS ON A PLATE KIT BUT YOU MUST FIRE THEM AT THE SAME TIME, NO SPLITTING THEM UP AND MAKING 2 KITS. ONLY 1 NITROUS KIT IS ALLOWED IN TUFF STREET, EITHER A PLATE SYSTEM OR A FOGGER.
HERE IS A PIC OF THE WIRING FOR THE 2 SOLENOIDS, WE ALL AGREED IT WAS LEGIT AND BOTH WERE FIRED AT THE SAME TIME. TREVOR EVEN CUT THE TIE WRAPS SO WE COULD SEE!
AFTER THE RACE WE PULLED THE CARB.. COACH WOULD NOT "PASS IT".. BOLREGARTIN THE FLASHLITE, LOL!! ACTUALLY COACH SIAD HE DOES DABBLE IN PORT WORK AND WAS JUST GETTING A "FEW SLICK RICK" SECRETS!
ONE THING I WANT TO ADD, TREVOR HAS ONLY BEEN RACING FOR 3 YEARS -HE THINKS THAT WAS AN ADVANTAGE -DIDNOT COME INTO THE SPORT WITH ANY "PRECONCEIVED IDEAS! CONGRATULATIONS TO THE "UNSTOPPABLE" TREVOR AND THE "STRYCT9" CREW ON THEIR TUFF STREET TXDRL WIN!!
IF I WAS GOING TO PROTEST ANYTHING IT WOULD BE THOSE SHORTS TREVOR HAS ON, ARE THOSE LEGAL TO WEAR IN PUBLIC????
[> [> [> [> Subject: those are some bonafide chicken legs right there.
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them legs aint seen sun in 20 years
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Date Posted:21:05:48 09/27/09 Sun
Mike, Coach, Pipeline, Joe, thats in that picture up above, verified the wiring, to the solenoids, two wired (red) (black) thru a connector that splits off to both solenoids. Both will be activated at a single power feed. One fuel solenoid, two nitrous solenoids, from the picture that are viewed, they are both fed off a no.6 line in which the one nos to front of plate, and one to the rear.
No other nitrous feeds to the intakes. Trevor ask me stop looking to much, because found out that I was an x head porter guy looking at Trick Ricks porting. That where he's cheating, pure NRC secrets.
I rest my case. Next year is going to be interesting.
Date Posted:21:24:03 09/27/09 Sun
THE GUYS RUNS TWO SOLENOIDS ON A FOGGER. I GOT IT FROM A GOOD SOURCE GENE FULTON TOLD KYLE TO RUN ONE SIDE OF THE FOGGER THEN TURN ON THE OTHER SIDE, MAKING THE FOGGER A 2 KIT DEAL.
HOW MANY OF THE U/S CARS WITH FOGGERS BEEN CHECKED IF BOTH SOLENOIDS FIRE AT THE SAME TIME? A FOGGER IS SUPER EASY TO "2 KIT".. MAYBE A DIFFUSOR PLATE MIGHT BE ABLE TO OUTFLOW A FOGGER BUT YOU WOULD THINK THE FOGGER HAS AN ADVANTAGE ON FUEL DISTRIBUTION. TREVOR HAS A LITTLE LEFT IN THE PLATE BUT SAYS HE BURNS UP PISTONS IF HE GOES ANY HIGHER. HE MIGHT BE FASTER WITH A FOGGER.
TREVOR TOLD US LAST NITE THE FIRST 5.04 HE RAN WAS WITH ONE SOLENOID. THAT'S GONNA BE FUNNY IF YOU GUYS MAKE HIM BUY A FOGGER AND HE GOES FASTER.. JUST SAYIN A FOGGER MITE SOLVE HIS DISTRBUTION PROBLEMS!
Date Posted:22:46:09 09/27/09 Sun
Trevor is a very smart guy, He has some serious shit goin on with his custom electronic setup. He is way ahead of his time with this deal! People will figure it out eventually. BTW, I'm sure that system he has is putting OUT plenty of signals, not just receiving. Props Trev!
Date Posted:22:57:58 09/27/09 Sun
The 2 solenoids also are used as a safety on a system with a controller as the solenoids are pulsed and sometimes can stick. They call the second solenoid redundant, I call it contolling a 1,000hp shot......LOL
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Fatten up the carb, control the valve amperage to half open solenoids (thats Kit #1). Open the fuel solenoid full bore, full amperage to both n20 solenoids (thats kit #2). The carb can carry enough fuel to support 1 kit (basic dry kit). The diffuzer plate is know for flowing ALOT.
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Aint that hard to figure out, just need to think "logical" a little
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Date Posted:02:26:45 09/28/09 Mon
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Take that 2nd solenoid off, and I bet the car slows down.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Two solenolds going in the plate through 2 different sets of spary bars is 2 kits. I just asked Brandon at speedtech that is what they told me.
Date Posted:10:24:07 09/28/09 Mon
Let Trever get 1 kit like everyone else and then lets see these numbers. Not taking anything away from him because it is within the rules but from what I understand he wrote the rules for TXDRL. I know you can not use 2 spray bars in TTT5 or U/S its 1 fuel inlet and one NOS inlet in a "single stage configuration" per the rules. Otherwise you have to let the fogger guys put 2 sets of nozzels to spray more in there intake. Take the duel stage plate kit off that car and put a single stage plate kit on it and he will be right there with everyone else. He will slow down with a single stage fogger over a dual stage plate! For now he is hauling ass and my hat is off to him for taking advantage of his rules!
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I DID NOT DESIGN THE TXDRL TUFF STREET RULES...
THEY WERE TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS TEXAS TRUE TEN 5 EXTREME STREET RULES. IF YOU HAVE EVEN READ THE RULES IT STATES HOW THE RULES WERE DETERMINED AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE.
FROM THE TOP OF THE RULE PAGE "Note: The 2009 Rules were based on the Dallas TT5 Extreme Street Rules. Minor modifications were made to some sections as shown in red. Weight breaks were simplified. Yates heads will be allowed with a weight penalty. The Approved Head List was removed. BBC will allow any conventional head with minimum 24 degree valve angle. SBC will allow any conventional head with minimum 15 degree valve angle."
THE MINOR MODIFICATIONS WERE MADE BECAUSE JOE TOLD ME TO MAKE SURE THE EXISTING TUFF STREET CARS WOULD FIT. JOE APPROVED THE RULES AND ANY CHANGES MADE.
AND BILLY, TRUE, MY PLATE HAS TWO NITROUS ENTRY POINTS, A FOGGER HAS EIGHT ENTRY POINTS.... WHERE IS MY ADVANTAGE???
I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH WAYNE AND BRANDON AT SPEEDTECH. THEY DON'T RECALL TALKING TO YOU AND THEY DISAGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT.
Trevor
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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Copied from speedtechs website..... here is your advantage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date Posted:11:52:44 09/28/09 Mon
Through an ingenious new design, nitrous is injected into and throughthe “Diffuser” plate creating ahighly atomized air fuel ratio in the plenum of the manifold. This even distribution avoids the irregular fuel burn problems and leakage found with spray bar systems, resulting in lost power. The new “Diffuser” nitrous system is tunable for a 100 to 500 horsepower boost per system and is compatible with any square flange, four-barrel carburetor application.
See where it says 500HP per system!!!! Thats 1000hp on a dual stage plate! You cant compare a single stage fogger and a dual stage plate. A fogger is capable of about 700hp were trevors dual stage plate will produce 1000hp! Trevor is running 2 kits!!!!! Ask speedtech!!!!
Date Posted:12:59:19 09/28/09 Mon
At least you admit you cant do it without 2 kits. With only 2 entry points on the plate you would only have 1 kit and the playing field would be level. Thats why the rules are that way in TTT5 and Ultimate Street!
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: IT WAS DETERMINED SATURDAY NIGHT THAT I ONLY HAVE ONE SINGLE STAGE NITROUS KIT... IT DON'T MATTER HOW YOU PLUMB IT...
Date Posted:13:57:58 09/28/09 Mon
HOW CAN YOU ARGUE THAT IT'S 2 KITS. IT'S ONE KIT WITH 2 ENTRYS. A FOGGER IS ONE KIT WITH 8 ENTRYS. IF YOU ACTIVATED 1 SOLENOID THEN ANOTHER LATER IT WOULD BE 2 KITS.
SO WHAT IS A DIFFUSOR WILL SPRAY MORE THAN A FOGGER, THAT'S WHAT IT IS DESIGNED TO DO. SAY TREVOR SPRAYS 1000HP, AS LONG AS IT COMES ON ALL AT ONCE IT'S LEGAL TO DO.
WOULDN'T IT WOULD BE LEGAL TO TAKE A PLATE AND PLUM 4 FOGGER NOZZELS ON EACH SIDE, 8 FOGGER NOZZELS IN A PLATE TOTAL - WITH 2 SOLENOIDS.. THAT'S 8 ENTRY POINTS THAT WOULD BE LEGAL WOULDN'T IT!! AS LONG AS BOTH COME ON AT THE SAME TIME IT'S LEGAL AND IT'S ONE KIT.
SEEMS IF YOU PUT THE FOGGER UNDER THE CARB, SAME DIFFERENCE AS HAVING IT PLUMBED INTO THE RUNNERS.
Date Posted:19:23:47 09/28/09 Mon
Speedtech has the market on this set up. What I would call illegal is when the other guys can't buy it, undersome causes it would be illegal until its on the market for everyone can purchase one.
Trevor if Speedtech got this system on the market to be purchased, to me its legal.
Now when you guys go buy this set up, if you don't go faster, you findly figure out that its more than the plate. Tuning, test, test, test, blow it up, test, test, test. Good engine building, test, and more test.
Date Posted:21:44:57 09/28/09 Mon
you people amaze me, your looking at the nitrous system when the magic is in the digisets and timing retards I say lets put a out the box 6al in there and let him put on a exibition run to see et. Im betting trevor knows what the guts look like to a msd box. But it cool to see what he's doing.You guys should quit wining and ask trevor to sell you a boosted box
Date Posted:22:19:50 09/28/09 Mon
first it was a big motor.......... now its 2 kits................cant yall just realize trevor is just smarter than all of yall....!!!!!!!!!!!! if yall spent as much time working on your cars as you do bitching trevor couldnt keep up !!!!!!! LOLOLOLOL !!!!!!!!!!!!
Date Posted:10:52:35 09/29/09 Tue
Now they got smaller motor 565 cu. in BBF to worry about now. Watch out Trevor, if he catches up it will be time to destroke your motor.
Date Posted:17:36:02 09/28/09 Mon
whos to say rather a mod motor is a bb or sb hell its physically as big as a bbc hell how many cubes can you get out of one ? i ghuess the days of bb and sb will soon be over since no one really makes them any more just "
mod" and "lx" if you search the net for mod motor all kinds of stroker shit pops up !!!
Date Posted:10:57:39 09/29/09 Tue
The physical size of the motors are very large, but the cubic inches are not. The largest you can make the 4.6 (281CI) motors is around 320 cubes I believe. Someone else that knows for sure should be along shortly to confirm.
Date Posted:11:57:49 09/28/09 Mon
Nobody seems to be addressing the smallblock issue so I will share some facts. Smallblocks will never be competitive at the current weights but if you are a big block guy or turbo guy or procharger guy no problem. I hope this guy doesnt mind me using him as an example but its the perfect example of the solution. Themo Diaz runs true ten five , been doing it for years , always ran a smallblock. He has had good success at what he does but until the weights changed it was very tough. After the weight change to the current weights Themo became very competitive , matter of fact last time I looked he was # 2 in points. I am not sure if he has won a race but I do know he has won quite a few conselation races and been very competitive and thats a job against those big inch motors and turbos. Now that being said Themo has a very strong piece and a good working car with a lot of years invested. I for one know for a fact there may be one or two smallblocks even close to themos but I doubt it. Most of us make between 800 and 875 on motor and are pushing it to get them to stay together with anything more than 500 n20. Am I a smallblock guy ? YEP Am I asking for land ? Nope just a fair playing field like the TTT5 guys put together from the old Orsca rules. Joe I can tell that the window is open and you have become much more open minded here recently so here is my 2 cents for what they are worth. This class will succeed no matter what its proven that but hey I got to try. Good luck and keep up the good work Joe. See you at the next one.
Date Posted:13:34:08 09/28/09 Mon
IN THE PAST I KEPT UP WITH WEIGHT BREAKS, I FOUND IT EASIER FOR ME AND MORE LOGICAL FOR THE RACERS TO LET ME KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.... I WANT TO DO WHAT IS FAIR FOR THE CLASS.
I'M HOPEING WE "ON THE TIRE" ABOUT BOTTOM 5.30'S -MID 5.20'S. HUBBARD IS WORKING HARD TO GET A 5.20 SOMETHING, I'M THINKING HE WILL BE THE FIRST IN THE 5.20'S. A FEW WEEKS AGO RATDADDY DRIVING THE ORANGE NOVA WENT A 5.36, THEY TURNED IT UP WENT ANOTHER 5.36 BUT ALL OVER THE TRACK . I WAS THINKING MAYBE WE WERE GETTING ON THE TIRE THEN, GREAT!!
WELL SATURDAY NITE THE "IRONMAN" RAN A STRAIGHT AS A STRING SMOOTHE AS SILK 5.33 8.5 OUTLAW PASS THAT WAS PLUM SICK!! HE IS GONNA RUN MID 5.30'S NO PROBLEM, THE 8.5 TIRE IS JUST SIMPLE AMAZING! RUNNING THAT SMOOTHE 5.33, THAT ORANGE CAR IS GOING TO GO INTO THE HIGH 5.20'S FOR SURE, KENNY AND HIS TEAM WON'T QUIT UNTIL HE DOES.. WE DON'T CALL HIM THE IRONMAN FOR NOTHING.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A CLASS THAT "GETS ON THE TIRE" SOMEWHERE WHERE A LOT OF COMBINATION CAN BE COMPETITIVE. WE NEED THE SMALL BLOCK CHEVYS TO COME RUN AND BE COMPETITIVE. THEMO IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE IN THIS CASE, I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHERS.
GIVE ME SOME NUMBERS! WHERE ARE WE NOW AND WHERE DO WE NEED TO BE. WHAT WEIGHT DOES THEMO RUN AT NOW, WHERE WOULD HE NEED TO BE? I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE SMALL BLOCKS A WEIGHT THAT WOULD SHOOT THEM TO THE TOP WITHOUT A LITTLE WORK BUT WHAT EVER IS DOOABLE I'M DOWN FOR!
POST SOME NUMBERS WHERE WE ARE AND WE WE NEED TO BE AND I BET WE CAN HAMMER SOMETHING OUT FOR NEXT YEAR. WE GOT ONE RACE LEFT THIS YEAR AND OVER THE WINTER LETS GET THE SMALL BLOCKS IN! THANKS!
Date Posted:16:11:35 09/28/09 Mon
I have been running 8.5 with a small block. Instead of a weight break how about small blocks 2 kits, big blocks one kit? Would this work?
Date Posted:18:50:56 09/28/09 Mon
Just a thought joe.Most of your budjet guys with a small block struggle to run 5.50-5.90 an a true 10.5 in a 2900-3200 lb car.So the statement of working hard is an under statement.Now take your guys that run true 10.5 with a small block nos car have money,or they would not be trying to run true 10.5.Out of those guys,who do you think would be willing to strap on some 8.5s.I cant think of any,and if they did they would probably run in the 5.30 range.So my point is,any small block nos car will have a hard time (struggle) running 5.30s at 2900-3200lbs on an 8.5 tire.Hell look at your tuff sreet small block cars they struggle to run 5.20s on a true 10.5.
Date Posted:19:34:47 09/28/09 Mon
I would say there should be a bigger weight break than what we have now for sure. I was planning on bring the cavalier out with the new Turbo Motor and 8.5s in order to keep up with the ProChargers and BBs. Then I read Joes post yesterday about out lawing turbos in his 8.5 races.
Small blocks who can throw a little more money at it will be a little more competative. The budgette will determine a lot also. Single Carb SBs can weigh in at 2800lbs and Dual Carb SB can weigh in at 2850lbs which would make a very compeattive field. Small block single turbos should weigh in at 3200lbs.
Date Posted:19:44:34 09/28/09 Mon
Need to know the weight of car,700 hp can put a 2800lb car in the 5.90s with the right gear,trans an converter set up.The big key is to getting it to 60 foot good and get the power to the ground.You can have all the hp you want,but if you cant get it to the ground and the chassis to handle it,its about useless.
Date Posted:08:52:08 09/29/09 Tue
the weight is 3000 i have a small blk 406 alu pontiac heads 14.1 comp 880 pro system holley spraying 200 big shot 5.67 gear 350 trans shifting at 7400 best time so far is a 6.31 the camshaft is .630 .630 dur .276 .284 comp what do i need to do.
Date Posted:22:43:14 09/27/09 Sun
Was fun last night, Some competion!
Top half of the class ran 5.11 to 5.13 And the Bird Team no timed!
I did get a head gasket, G it didn't like that 3rd stage! Bad light, shifted way early, needed to make up time. and still got one or two grimlin's.
Quick fix. Be ready when needed.
More excuses later!
Got a month guy's. tune them up and let's play.
[> Subject: THANKS GUYS THAT RAN THE BACKHALF CLASS!!
Date Posted:23:59:44 09/27/09 Sun
DON DICK RAN 5.30'S LAST MONTH WITH HIS "ASHTRAY" MOTOR. FIRST PASS I THINK WAS A 5.13 OR A LOW TEEN, I WAS THINKING "damn" WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?? I CREW MEMBER SAID THEY DID A MOTOR SWAP!!
DON DICK... LAMARQUE TX
(scott singleton photo)
BIG WILL KILGORE TEXAS
THIS NICE SB S-10 CHEVY CAME WITH WILL TO RUN IN THE BACKHALF CLASS, THANKS FOR COMING GUYS!!
(scott singleton photo)
BIG MIKE STEWART CAME OUT AND RAN WITH US, WE DID TURN THE SCORE BOARD OFF FOR HIM, MIKE HAS BEEN KNOW TO MATCH RACE A BIT. THANKS MIKE FOR RUNNING THE TXDRL!
(SS PHOTO)
MARTIN KEEFER IN THE WHITE MUSTANG HAS BEEN SITTING IDLE FOR ABOUT A YEAR, DUSTED OFF THE COBWEBS AND RAN A STRING OF 5.11'S IN THE BATTLE OF THE BACK HALFS! JAMES FINNY GOT PAST MARTIN IN THE BATTLE OF BACK HALFS IN THE SEMI'S.. WHAT A GREAT SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND SPEAKING OF JAMES FINNEY THE SHOE FOR THE "GREEN MEANY", GARY WEATHERLY AND HIS CREW GOT THE WIN IN THE BATTLE FOR THE BACK HALFES.. THANKS GUYS WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR YOUNIZ MEXT RACE!
Date Posted:07:30:04 09/28/09 Mon
i'll have to agree with don, we had a great time. always fun to have door to door racing. felt like old times lining up against don again. can't wait till next time.
Date Posted:13:02:10 09/28/09 Mon
better watch it! If Don "BOOM BOOM" Dick gets where he can make 5 or 6 consecutive passes without blowing something up you may have a contender! You gotta admit he does pretty good for the money he has to spend.
[> [> [> Subject: Joe the final is where I lost, not the semi's.
Date Posted:06:30:02 09/29/09 Tue
Not bad for a year layoff and a True 10.5 car, non-back halfed. Hell I don't even think its mini-tubbed LOL.
Good to see you back on the track Martin!
Date Posted:19:42:56 09/28/09 Mon
Ok Joe I don’t envy you at all on this one, but this is the way I see it. There has been a couple of SB's nitrous 2 and 3 kits win, BB's with 2 kits and BB with 3 kits and Pontiac heads win, SB procharged win, across the state in 8.5. But we have lost some cars also. The cars that we lost were SB nitrous cars. Maybe they need a weight break, say 2800 - 2900 for 385 ci or less and 2900 - 3000 for larger ci nitrous. Leave the 3100 for procharged and supercharged and leave the turbo's alone because no one has come out with one yet so you don’t know if there competitive at that weight yet.
Date Posted:20:21:39 09/28/09 Mon
does not matter if u use 2 or 3 kits. based on getting the car down the track. it is based on the car. how well it hooks and goes down the track. u can have 10 kits if car does not get down track u lost... i have seen small blocks chevy's and fords smoke big blocks cars..
Date Posted:22:24:16 09/28/09 Mon
SMALL BLOCKS NITROUS KNOCK OFF #100, RUN AT #3000
SMALL BLOCK BLOWN LEAVE THAT WHERE IT IS NOW @ #3100
***TENATIVE TURBO RULES ***
WE CAN RUN TURBOS BUT ADD ENOUGH WEIGHT TO KEEP THEM IN LINE WITH EVERYONE ELSE. RIGHT NOW SB TURBO IS 3350. I SUGGESTED NO TURBOS BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR THE BITCHIN IF WE ADD WEIGHT.. LOOKS LIKE I'M GOING TO GET BITCHIN ANYWAY.
EVERYONE PRETTY WELL KNOWS WHAT NITROUS BB CHEVYS AND NITROUS SB CHEVYS RUN.. WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF THE WEIGHT BREAKS TO KEEP THE CLASS KINDA EVEN. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TURBO STUFF CAN RUN SO IT'S JUST A GUESS HOW MUCH WEIGHT TO ADD.
I GUESS THE PROBLEM WITH LETTING TURBO'S RUN, NOBODY KNOWS REALLY WHAT WEIGHT BREAKS TO USE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS LIMITED WITH WEIGHT BREAKS. IT IS ALL DONE TO KEEP THE FIELDS CLOSE.
UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE CORRECT WEIGHT BREAKS FOR TURBO'S THE WEIGHTS WILL BE ADJUSTED ON A ROUND BY ROUND BASES. A TURBO CAR THAT GOES .04 QUICKER THAN THE NUMBER #1 QUALIFER HE GETS #100 ADDED BEFORE OR DURNING THE RACE. NHRA HAS A SIMILIAR DEAL THEY DO IN COMP ELIMINATOR BUT THEY ADJUST THE INDEX. WE WILL ADJUST THE WEIGHT.
TURBOS CAN RUN IN 8.5 OUTLAW BUT THE WEIGHTS WILL BE ADJUSTED ROUND BY ROUND. THESE ARE THE RULES NOW AND THIS IS WHERE WE WILL START: SB TURBOS START AT #3350, BB TURBOS START AT #3550. IF A TURBO GOES .04 QUICKER THAN THE #1 QUALIFIER IN QUALIFYING OR DURING THE RACE, ADD #100 FOR THE NEXT ROUND. IF YOU GO MORE THAN .04 IN THE FINAL ROUND YOU GET RUNNER UP MONEY.
LETS RUN TURBO'S WHATCHA THINK???
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