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Date Posted:07:54:11 10/28/09 Wed
When are the rules going to be set for the new season? I am wanting to get started on a new combo and need to know which way to go.
Date Posted:10:21:07 10/28/09 Wed
HEADS UP RACING DOESN'T WORK WITH THE TIRED OLD RULES OF THE PAST. WE NEED THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.
THE TRIED AND TRUE FAILED SYSTEM OF THE PAST PENALIZES A CAR BEFORE IT EVER GETS TO THE TRACK. EXAMPLE PONTIAC HEADS ADD #100 -WHY?? JUST BECAUSE THE PROS LIKE JEFF NAISER CAN GET AN EXTRA #100 HP FROM PONTIAC HEADS -WHY PENALIZE AN ENTRY LEVEL RACER THAT GOT A GREAT DEAL AT A SWAP MEET ON A SET OF PONTIAC HEADS.
THE TXDRL IS MORE OF AN ENTRY LEVEL EVENT -THE PROS ARE RUNNING THE ADRL. WE GOT RACERS BEING "TAXED" WITH WEIGHT PENALITY JUST LIKE THEY ARE PRO'S.
IF WE USE THE FAILED SYSTEMS OF THE PAST IN A YEAR OR LESS EVERYONE WILL KNOW WHO IS GOING TO WIN AND THE ENTRY LEVEL GUYS TO THE CLASS WON'T COME BACK, WHY SHOULD THEY BE CANNON FODDER FOR 3 OR 4 CARS?? THE FANS WILL BE DISINTERESTED WITH THE CLASS AND QUIT COMING. IV'E SEEN IT HAPPEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I WANT TO "TRY SOMETHING" NEW, SOME THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX! WHY ADD WEIGHT BEFORE A RACER EVER GETS TO THE TRACK AND KILL HIS CHANCES OF RUNNING UP FRONT. "ADDING WEIGHT" IS THERE TO KEEP A LEVEL PLAYING FEILD, THATS ALL IT'S FOR.
I WANT TO TRY AND "ADD WEIGHT" AFTER YOUR CAR HAS REACHED A CERTAIN PERFORMANCE LEVEL -NOT BEFORE YOU REACH THAT LEVEL. ADDING THE WEIGHT "AFTER" YOU REACH A CERTAIN LEVEL DOES NOT KILL A RACERS COMBO "BEFORE" HE EVER GETS TO THE TRACK!
TO KEEP A CLASS ALIVE AND KEEP SPECTATOR INTEREST YOU NEED TO HAVE NEW ENTRY LEVEL CARS KEEP SHOWING UP. WE WILL ADD WEIGHT "AFTER" THEY BECOME COMPETITIVE, NOT BEFORE.
THIS YEAR THE 8.5 OUTLAWS GOT OFF TO A HUGE START.. WE BASICALLY HAD 3 RULES.. #2900 BASE WEIGHT FOR FOR SMALL BLOCKS, #3300 BASE WEIGHT FOR BIG BLOCKS AND A 26X8.5 TIRE. WE PROBABLY SHOULD ADD TURBO CARS GET #150 ADDED TO BASE WEIGHT.
WITH 10 8.5 CARS AT THE FINAL RACE AND MOST ALL WERE IN THE 5.20 TO 5.30 RANGE -THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE!! I WANT TO KEEP OUR CURRENT RULES -MAYBE CAP RAT MOTORS AT A 10.2 DECK HEIGHT NEW RULE ANY CAR THAT GOES IN THE 5.TEENS GET #100 POUNDS FOR THE NEXT ROUND. WHEN WE GET 5 CARS CARRYING THE WEIGHT PENALTY WE GO BACK TO BASE WEIGHT AND LET THE "PACK" GO ALL AT ONCE. THIS WILL GIVE ENTRY LEVEL GUYS A FEW MONTHS TO CATCH UP TO THE LEADERS AND NOT HAVE 2 OR 3 CARS THAT IS DOMINATING THE CLASS!
I REALLY DON'T SEE HOW THIS SYSTEM WOULD BE ANY WORSE THAN THE FAILED SYSTEMS OF THE PAST. THE HERD MENTALITY IS ALREADY TRYING TO BEAT ME INTO THE FAILED SYSTEM - WE GOT SEVERAL MONTHS TO TRY AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW, DIFFERENT AND EXCITING FOR THE FANS AND THE RACERS!
[> [> [> Subject: I think it's pretty good idea. Just like the weight penealty on Yates heads. There are inline heads that are just as good these days.
Date Posted:10:35:08 10/28/09 Wed
The only thing I would change would be to adjust the weight for the next race, not the next round. Not sure everybody would be able to safely add weight on the fly like that. Plus it give them a chance to let there hard work pay off at least for one race. Just cause they went fast doesn't guaranty a win.
Date Posted:11:45:46 10/28/09 Wed
I WOULD HOPE IF A GUY IS RUNNING 5.20'S, HE WOULD HAVE THE WEIGHT READY TO ADD TO THE CAR IN THE TRAILER. I DON'T THINK A GUY RUNNING 5.30'S OR 40'S IS GONNA POP INTO THE 5 TEENS.
ON THE OTHER HAND KENNY WENT BACK TO BACK 5.23'S - WOULDA BEEN A NEW RECORD IF KLINT HADN'T RUN THE 5.19 I MIGHT ADD. NOW I WOULD EXPECT UNDER THE NEW RULES IF WE ADOPT THEM KENNY WOULD ALREADY HAVE HIS CAR PREPARED TO ADD THE #100 FOR THE NEXT ROUND.
A GUY CAREING WEIGHT WILL GET A SLASH ON HIS WINDOW FOR EVERY #100 POUNDS EXTRA HE IS CARRING. I WANT THE FANS TO BE INVOLVED IN WHATS GOING ON. WHEN THEY SEE A CAR COMING UP WITH 2 MARKS ON THE WINDOW THEY WILL KNOW HE IS CAREING AN EXTRA #200. WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM THE FANS DON'T KNOW WHO IS HEAVY AND WHO IS LITE.
THE FANS DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA NOW WHO IS HEAVY AND WHO IS LIGHT. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL BUT I WANT TO GET THE FANS MORE INVOLVED. WHEN THEY SEE A CAR COME UP WITH 3 SLASHES ON THE THE WINDOW, THEY WILL KNOW HE IS A "BAD DUDE"!
I'M HOPEING MAYBE WITH SOME NEW THINKING WE CAN "MORPH" INTO A CLASS THAT WILL STAY. I REALLY LIKE THE NEW 8.5 OUTLAW CLASS. RIGHT NOW WE ARE AHEAD OF THE CURVE. DRAG RACING HAS LOST A LOT OF FANS -WE NEED 'EM BACK.
INSTEAD OF ADDING WEIGHT WE COULD ADD A HANDICAP TO THE TREE I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE AS INTERESTING AND I'M SURE THERE WILL BE MISTAKES ADDING THE HANDICAP INTO THE TREE.... DARRYL THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT!!
Date Posted:12:27:56 10/28/09 Wed
Instead of all the 100#'s here or there just make it an Index class on that set of tires. Then when everyone catchs up tho that then drop the index a tenth.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: HEADS UP IS NOT AN INDEX RACE...
Date Posted:12:52:43 10/28/09 Wed
HEADS UP DOESN'T MATTER HOW FAST YOU GO, IF YOU GET THERE FIRST YOU WIN THE ROUND AND ADVANCE TO THE NEXT ROUND.
INDEX RACING IS JUST THE OPPOSITE, YOU LOOSE FOR GOING TO FAST.
ADD WEIGHT TO THE WINNER IS THE SAME PRINCIPLE AS NHRA DOES FOR COMPETITION ELIMINATOR. NHRA ADJUSTS THE INDEX FOR THE NEXT ROUND IF YOU GO TOO FAST. I'M NOT SURE ON HOW IT WORKS BUT THIS IS THE PRINCIPAL IDEA.
AS YOU REACH THE FINAL ROUND IF 2 CARS ARE HOLDING BACK THEY WILL HAVE TO TURN THEM LOOSE TO WIN.. COULD BE FOR SOME INTERESTING RACING!
Date Posted:13:23:58 10/28/09 Wed
Joe, come on you can’t add 100lbs or more in a race car between rounds, have you ever heard of spring rate? You’re going to put cars in the wall. I would say bring springs with you but you run your race like a bracket race, you don’t even have time to go piss. Call the local chassis builders and ask them.
Date Posted:14:53:11 10/28/09 Wed
Apparently you dont run many bracket races, we waste more time dicking around at these index races than any bracket race. At houston raceway park the classes have around 75 cars each and a seperate gamblers race for 16 in each class. So if you are still in you hot lap your cars the last three rounds of each class. And I am not talking about the 6.60 pos that gets towed back every round, I'm talking about 4 second dragsters and 5 second door cars, that drive back from the finish line, stop for a splash of fuel, and back to the staging lanes.
Date Posted:15:59:19 10/28/09 Wed
Apparently you’re just too stupid to get the point! Do you think there is time to remove the shocks & springs add the weight? Do the normal BS and make it to the next round? NO!!! Maybe that’s why you’re a Bracket racer. LOL
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Date Posted:09:52:38 10/29/09 Thu
Apparently you cant read dumb ass he said that this is not a bracket race and you dont have time to piss. I said you have more time here than a bracket race.
Date Posted:13:25:46 10/28/09 Wed
what do yall think about any car that has been faster than a 5.26 adds a 100 pounds and any car that has not been in the 5.35 minus a 100 pounds or maybe up to 200 pounds? To help the slower cars keep up, that should help even out the car feild some. i think joes idea might work but you would need to put a limit on the weight from base weight, what do yall think?????? i think we should focus on the slower cars weight break to keep it heads up racing and give the fans a faster better show!!!!
Date Posted:13:34:52 10/28/09 Wed
What ever is going to be done needs to be done so we can get ready for march 20 2010. I would like to see the rules before I build or purcase a motor(sb,bb,turbo,procharger,ect...)READY TO GET STARTED
Date Posted:13:38:05 10/28/09 Wed
and just for fun say 2 cars with added weight if they make it to the final maybe pull the weight to see how fast they can go but not less weight than the minimun just a thought it would have to be cars with equal marks of course
Date Posted:14:10:37 10/28/09 Wed
If you got a car that just ran the quicker ET and is already 150 lbs. over his weight what do you do about that?
Harvey came in over his class weight is that telling us something there. Meaning that weight is not a issue. All he had to say is added to me, but I am already there. What would be next?
Date Posted:14:55:03 10/28/09 Wed
if he has been a 5.26 at 3450 then he would have to add a 100 pounds to 3450, just like since we have been faster than a 5.26 at 2975 we would add a 100 pounds and be 3100,and leave the same tune up on the car just to even out the class a bit to make it anybodys race, if that doesnt work we need to give one hell of a weight break to the slower cars!!! or lets just race and have a good time!!!
Date Posted:14:14:27 10/28/09 Wed
i think putting and pulling weight in out is not going to work well, one i dont think u can add a 100-200 pounds safely to your car unless u have tabs to bolt it to, and know where to place the weight at, second think about the final round if u got one car with 100 pounds and the other car 200 pounds they both take the weight out and change there setups they had allnight then both cars might not make it down the track,and that would suck both for the racers and fans!!!!
Date Posted:14:35:33 10/28/09 Wed
adding weight will not do anyting except make the cars unsafe. the guys going fast are the guys with big power. all they have to do is compensate with gear ratio and add a little more power and they will be right back where they were. and don't give me the line about the tire being the limiting factor. that's BS.
until there is some type of engine restriction the guys willing to put the most power under the hood will be out front. you guys need to decide weather this class is intended to be a real outlaw class or an entry level class.
at this rate the front running 8.5s will be running over half of the tuff street class by the middle of next year.
what type of show will that be for the fans?
why would they pay both classes when they will run pretty much the same et's?
then you're down to 1 class with three or four cars domminating. hell i love street-car drag racing and even i wouldn't pay to see that.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Make it a Index Race
Date Posted:15:06:07 10/28/09 Wed
I had no Idea that you could lose by going to fast cause it is bracket racing with a fixed dial in. All saturday night you did nothing, but listen to everyone bitch cause they are to slow. If they havn't figured it out the most money always wins in the heads up classes on a local level. Making it a floating index is no more than everyone sandbagging so you don't add weight to the cars.
Date Posted:15:38:07 10/28/09 Wed
I think what Joe is suggesting is add a hundred pounds to your base weight if you run in the teens. For instance if Sam Harvey ran a teen last Saturday he would have to add 100# to his base weight of 3300 so he would be forced to weigh 3400 which he already weighs 3450, so thats one strike. He has one more oppurtunity to run a teen if he does it again whether its in qual or in final round he would have to add 50lbs to make it up to 3500#. I assume we would have to carry this weight at the next race as well till others caught up?
As far as adding the weight if you have any thoughts that you may run in the teens you might ought to show up at the race 100-200#'s heavy. Then you are not responsible to touch your car between rounds.
Date Posted:16:09:31 10/28/09 Wed
TAKING OUT WEIGHT MAKES MUCHH MORE SENSE THAN ADDING WEIGHT. LET THE SLOWER GUYS TAKE OUT SOME WEIGHT AND CATCH UP. YALL ARE FORGETTING THESE ARE 26" TIRES. WEIGHT AND SMALL TIRES RUNNING THAT FAST CAN HAVE VERY BAD REACTIONS. AINT SKEERED JUST TRYING TO THINK SAFELY , WRECKS AINT CHEAP OR FUNNY AND WE DONT DO THIS SHIT FOR A LIVING.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: WE HAD 10 -8.5 OUTLAWS AND 5 TUFF STREET CARS AT THE LAST RACE.............. JOHN WHAT CLASS WOULD YOU CUT?
Date Posted:16:19:03 10/28/09 Wed
AS A PROMOTER I'M FORCED TO GO WITH CAR COUNT AND SPECTATOR INTEREST. THERE IS VERY LITTLE "CHATTER" FROM THE TUFF STREET CARS ON THE GOSSIP AND SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE 8.5 OUTLAW CLASS I BET WE HAVE AVERAGED AT LEAST 1 POST A DAY IF NOT MORE.
FOR TUFF STREET WE TOOK #200 OFF SMALL BLOCKS AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. HERE IS A PERFECT CASE OF "TAXING" CARS WITH WEIGHT BEFORE THE PERFORMANCE WAS THERE.
THE BACKHALF CLASS SHOWS REAL PROMISE -WITH JUST 4 RACES WE HAVE HAD 6 CARS AT THE LAST 2 EVENTS. AS A PROMOTER I HAVE TO DEPEND ON A CLASS TO BE AT THE NEXT EVENT. 5 TUFF STREET CARS AT THE LAST EVENT IS DISAPPOINTING
NEXT YEAR I MAY HAVE TO CUT 1 CLASS IF THE ECONOMY DOES NOT IMPROVE. DO THE MATCH ON WHICH CLASS IS A LIKELY CANDIDATE TO GET CUT.
Date Posted:16:56:29 10/28/09 Wed
i hear you about the economy joe and you make a good point about the car count.
i tried to bring cars to all of your events that i could but sometimes scheduling conflicts and family stuff comes up esp. for us "out of towners". as for the guys who live in houston and don't show i can't answer for them.
i'm just trying to help and was not crying about the cars being as fast as tuff street. i think we had a pretty good average car count in tuff street over the year considering the fact that there are three organizations and temple raceway that run the same basic class and towards the end of the year a lot of the guys are either down or just plain worn out.
what i was trying to say is unless you think there is enough interest in this class that a lot of guys will be building limmited street engines and strapping on 8.5s to come run, you will be down to just a few compettitive cars in this class. i can appreciate the "outlaw" aspect of the class, but what good is it if only a couple of cars have that performance potential and the others are just car count. bragging rights are cool but racing is what most fans come to see.
the last tuff street race i attended in september, there was 1 car in the 5.0s and 5 or 6 that ran teens. if you could get the 8.5 class bunched up that close the fans could get a good side by side show in both classes and there would be several cars that they would climb the fence to see because more guys would have a legitimate chance as winning outright.
good luck with the 8.5 stuff, i think it's cool as hell and i would like to see it continue.
Date Posted:16:55:31 10/28/09 Wed
LETS GO BACK TO THE OLD DAYS OF FRONT ENGINE DRAGSTERS & MODIFIED ELIMINATOR STICK SHIFT RACING MAYBE SOME OLD SCHOOL
BODY STYLE FUNNYCARS.I MISS THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF HOUSTON INTER,DRAGWAY.EVERY TIME I GO LOOK AT THE VIDEOS OF OLD DRAGRACING ON YOUTUBE THE STANDS WERE PACKED IT REMINDS ME OF WHY I FELL IN LOVE WITH DRAGRACING.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: JOHN THANKS FOR THE COMMENTS...
Date Posted:17:28:40 10/28/09 Wed
I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH YOUR COMMENT:
"considering the fact that there are three organizations and temple raceway that run the same basic class"
AS A PROMOTER I'M BACK TO SAYIN WE NEED A CLASS OF CARS THAT I CAN DEPEND ON TO COME OUT AND RACE ONCE A MONTH. IT IS HARD FOR THE FANS TO RELATE TO A ON AGAIN OFF CLASS.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY SUGGESTIONS ON A NEW CLASS I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING ABOUT IT. WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT I BELIEVE IT WAS RAYLAND WITH THE BABY BLUE LUV THAT RAN EVIL STREET FIRST SUGGESTED THE 8.5'S WHICH HAS TURNED OUT TO BE THE HOTTEST NEW DRAG RACING CLASS IN TEXAS!
INT 1 SHORT SEASON THE 8.5 OUTLAWS HAVE "BURNT THE HOUSE DOWN"!!
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: make the 8.5 rules the same as tuff street except the tire. maybe with a weight penalty for the big chief heads and any other issues so it doesnt eliminate cars.
Date Posted:18:10:37 10/28/09 Wed
This could keep it safer and allow the slower cars to compete. How about we allow the slower cars get to pull weight accordingly to who they race next round. Example since kenny is aproximate .4 tenths slower than me(LOL)he could pull 50 lbs out and all the 5.50 cars could pull 300 lbs. Now days there is fiberglass doors and hoods that you can not even tell they are not original. Weight is the most consistant way to create speed and cost less than tearing up engines to compete.
Safety is a big factor also and I think the NHRA and IHRA limits the weight for vehiklesaccording to speed also. Not sure but I heard a turbo guy say that at a race last year. The more weight we throw on the harder it is to stop cars especialy on the short track. This could be the best rule yet.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Indexes
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Your payout is Progressive the wrong way!!!!
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Date Posted:18:16:54 10/28/09 Wed
I know what you can do to boost the car count in the 5.80 & 6.60 indexes. I understand and don’t have a problem with; we are just the filler for the heads up guys. I heard there was a 5.80 race in Dallas & 33 cars showed up that’s right 33 cars. Maybe call the Promoter in Dallas and set up a little race North vs. South a few times a year. Go to pro580.com and check out the rules and the progressive payout. I think if you used the Progressive Payout you would draw more cars.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I say cars only are required to meet weight once they get in the 20's..... untill then I dont give a shit if they weight 2000lbs!
Date Posted:19:31:46 10/28/09 Wed
This will at least give the slower guys a chance! Adding weight between rounds will never work! Somebody is gonna bust a bag of concrete and spread it all over the track or get hit by a loose dumb bell thats rolling around in there car!
No minimum weight for cars that run a 5.30 flat or slower!
Also you better limit the turbo/procharger size and on NOS motors the deck height before someone shows up with a car with some serious power and really fucks this class up! JMO!
Date Posted:20:08:38 10/28/09 Wed
don't worry about me i will have something for your ass. and about crying i believe that would be you because Joe's rules did say 3100 sb when he first started this class. hopefully you are going to L.A. on the 7th. so you have about week and half to eat this shit up.
every pass you made during comp. you were just say this piece of shit i'm done cann't figure it out and i told you hang in there you well get it. you know your not a bad person to talk to when your having trouble but as soon as you do something good your like a little bitch. so since your done good we'll talk later bitch. lol thats funny shit right there but true
Date Posted:08:10:55 10/29/09 Thu
I know Kenny Hubbard and this damn sure doesnt look like something he would post.Kennys a very competetive person but i dont think he would talk and act like this because someone went faster then he did, sounds vey childish and imature.So whoever is sighning kennys name is a asshole.
Date Posted:20:09:07 10/28/09 Wed
If we add weight to the ones that run teens then the 50/50 rule should come back into play for them. That way they can’t just add it to the ass of the car and hook and go faster each round i.e. look at Sam and triangle speed they added weight and went faster because they added it to the ass end.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: heres car count for your azz
Date Posted:21:19:46 10/28/09 Wed
joe, i run your event when i can, i have for the last 4 years. how about maybe having a bracket race included in your program. i can think of at least 20 cars that would show up on a monthly basis. let it be like a gamblers race at first, if it hits, then maybe come up with a gauranteed payout thats more than the "other" tracks and you will draw a car count. most bracket racers will run the index cvlasses as well if they fit in it. just a thought from a no between round shock changer.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: HMP is never, ever gonna allow a bracket race at their track. They lhave too much respect for the spectators to cause them that much pain and suffering.
Date Posted:23:49:34 10/28/09 Wed
actually when they first opened they did have bracket races there. they even had a bracket team at the bracket finals. if im not mistaken mike bush was in one of them finals one of the hmp bracket races. whay is there so much pain and suffering watching a bracket race? becuase you suck at it so you have to bad mouth it. i bet you suck dick at fucking pussy and your ol lady probably talks the same way about you as you do about bracket racing.
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Date Posted:16:19:38 10/29/09 Thu
Joe all the classes are having a little problem, we figure with the 8.5 is having its issues on here, we would not want things to get mixed up with the classes, I promise you the Tuff Street will be a little stronger next year, we just got to turn the guys a little loose to catch up. In Tuff Street we have determine that weight breaks will not help our small blocks to catch up. So we are working on something different. We can not iron all these factors out in one day but make damn sure it will work. The three Classes Tuff Street, Ultimate Street, & TTT5 are pulling together to correct the issue, which is small. We are having to figure to get our turbo's combo back out racing which keep things exciting. Like Ben, he has been trying all year to get his combo to run the number, when he findly got to the point the guys jump way a head again. Our class is now seeing 4.99 to 5.0's now, may be some teens next year. Capping the cars will make like a bracket race, this is Heads-up racing run what your brung by the rules. They are now going to fast to playing with weights in the cars. People that make up rules will alway come up with some kind of way to keep the other fella down in some ways that other people see it.
Like I said in our Beer meeting that night, we got 4 months on lack time, bring some more friday night races with the old rule, massage them, as we go, the cool air will let them go at there best. When December hit finalize the rules for next year.
Using the Tuff Street, U/S & Extreme Street, concept rules to the 8.5 class would be helpful, but to run faster is what the spectators want to see, a new record broken every few races.
We guys in Houston, got a good thing going on, the North/South concept is watching, we got car count, so that mean that we must be doing something to get the guys out and racing in the 8.5 class here.
I dont' want to get cussed out for this, if the guy run 5.15's on 8.5 throw him in tuff street but he need to keep that tire on and same weight no changes. When more than two guys reach his speed, he can go back to 8.5 this will help both classes.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: COACH I'M NOT SURE IF YOU READ THIS ABOVE POST.......
Date Posted:18:56:06 10/29/09 Thu
COPIED FROM ABOVE
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JOHN I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH YOUR COMMENT:
"considering the fact that there are three organizations and temple raceway that run the same basic class"
AS A PROMOTER I'M BACK TO SAYIN WE NEED A CLASS OF CARS THAT I CAN DEPEND ON TO COME OUT AND RACE ONCE A MONTH. IT IS HARD FOR THE FANS TO RELATE TO A ON AGAIN OFF AGAIN CLASS.
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COMBINING THE CLASS HAS PROBABLY ALL BUT KILLED TUFF STREET FOR THE TXDRL..... THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY RACES FOR THE GUYS TO ATTEND. I'LL SAY AGAIN I WANT A CLASS THAT I CAN COUNT ON FOR A FULL FIELD @ EVERY RACE. 5 CARS AT THE LAST RACE WAS DISAPPOINTING FOR ME AS A PROMOTER. I ENJOYED THE RACE BUT WITH JUST 5 CARS AND ONE NEVER MADE A PASS. I CAN NO LONGER PAY A PAYOUT FOR 4 CARS -THE SPECTATORS ARE JUST NOT THERE.
WE MAY BRING BACK "EVIL STREET" FOR 2010, LIKE YOU SAID WE GOT FOUR MONTHS TO THINK THINGS OVER.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Joe next year there will be 8.5 races poping up everywhere!!! Just like it did for tuff street!!!!
Date Posted:20:47:30 10/29/09 Thu
Thats the nature of the beast. When a class becomes this hot every track is gonna start booking it! What is hurting tuff street is the same thing thats gonna kill 8.5........ A few cars are gonna start hauling ass no matter how much weight you throw at them and the slower guys are gonna stay home!!! Look how many 8.5 cars dissappered after these guys got in the 30's and its only gonna get worse when someone comes in with a twin turbo or a 700 plus inch nos car and runs a 4.90 something! It will happen if you dont put some limitations on this class now!!!!! It wont effect anyone that currently runs the class now because not one of those combinations havent showed up yet but they will!!!! i heard kyle ordered 10 sets of Hoossiers to start testing with his 870!!!!
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: WELL YOU HEARD WRONG-----> IT WAS 20 SETS!!
Date Posted:21:20:00 10/29/09 Thu
THIS THREAD IS GOTTEN KINDA LONG, BUT SOMEWHERE ABOVE I SAID WE WILL PROBABLY LIMIT THE CI TO A 10.2 DECK FOR 8.5 OUTLAW. NOT BECAUSE I'M AFRAID OF SPEED BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE CARS SPRAYING THEIR GUTS OUT TO KEEP UP WITH CARS JUST "LUMBERING ALONG".
I CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE 8.5 OUTLAWS WILL DO, --->BUT I CAN RELATE TO THE PAST. LAST TXDRL RACE WE HAD 10 COMPETITIVE 8.5 OUTLAWS, AGAIN WE ONLY HAD 4 COMPETITIVE TUFF STREET CARS.
RACERS WILL RACE WHERE THEY WANT AND I CAN'T BLAME THEM AT ALL, IF I HAD A CAR I WOULD RUN WHERE I WANTED.... BUT I WOULD PROBABLY PIC A SERIES AND STAY WITH AND SUPPORT IT, BUT THATS JUST ME.
WE HAVE HAD A NICE STRING ON THE GOSSIP PAGE FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. CLOSE TO 100 EVENTS -MAYBE A FEW MORE, PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE IN TEXAS, I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE. THERE HAVE BEEN CLASSES THAT LEFT FOR SHORT TERM GAINS BUT SOMETIMES MAY NOT BE WORTH THE LONG TERM EFFECTS.
MAYBE DON'T THINK FROM RACE TO RACE BUT THINK FROM YEAR TO YEAR. CLASSES THAT SUPPORT AN EVENT DON'T GET CUT.. JUST SAYIN.........
Date Posted:21:32:19 10/29/09 Thu
There are way more tuff street cars than 8.5 cars and the class will show it next season. The 8.5 class will die out after a couple of races next year due to it being a " outlaw " class. There are over 30 tuff street cars in the Houston and Austin area racing 3 organizations and I believe ultimate street is moving to tuff street, so that makes only 2. Not to mention all the Dallas cars that race extreme street they fit the rules as well. The rules for these cars are being debated right now to make the small blocks faster to hang with the big blocks and keep it a level playing field. You would be crazy to eliminate this class, this is a heads up true ten five class with a set of rules to keep the playing foeld even and make for some good fast racing! This is not a "outlaw" class so there for if will be around for a long time with out everyone getting run over by the guy with the deepest pockets. This class is a great class and it will be your "show" next year you bet your ass. Otherwise Cancle it and run your 8.5 outlaw class with no rules since it is outlaw there should not be rules and your back half card and index and let know how that works out for you.
Don't Cancle the class and let the comitee people of ttt5 work on the rules like they are tring to do as I speak. Be patient for once and let a good thing roll with out jumping to conclustions and start talk of cancling a class! Relax I know 14 tuff street cars in the Houston area alone that will be at every race next year gunning for the championship.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: IF WE KEEP TUFF STREET IT WILL BE A PLATE SYSTEM ONLY LIKE IT ORIGINALLY WAS.
Date Posted:21:59:36 10/29/09 Thu
I WAS TOLD MORE CARS WOULD COME AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR IF I LET FOGGERS IN, THE EXACT SAME SONG SOME NO NAME KEYBOARD RACERS IS SAYING NOW.. DIDN'T HAPPEN. I THINK YOU HAVE A VERY GENEROUS HOUSTON CAR COUNT -AIN'T SO.
"IF" WE KEEP TUFF STREET IT WILL BE BY THE ORIGINAL TUFF STREET RULES...
Date Posted:23:18:09 10/29/09 Thu
Well that sucks.... I missed 2 races cause I had a baby and now Tuff Street is plate only. I really thought this was going to be a good class next year. Ohwell I will not be there my small block ford will not run 4's to keep up with Trevor with a plate much less teens. I had fun at the race I did go to and there was 12 cars there maybee it was not meant to be. Good luck next year with Tuff Street and thanks for having the class this year, I wish I would of made more races to participate in.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Trevor will be ther only car there!!!!
Date Posted:23:58:52 10/29/09 Thu
Trevor, Garland and big jerry were the only cars there maybe 10 or 2 more but you NEVER had more than 5 cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now this year your worst race had 5 cars most had over ten and even the season opener had a full field!!!!
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: well that puts everyone but Chad Baker and Trevor out!
Date Posted:00:16:41 10/30/09 Fri
You might as well cancal the class! Whos gonna come? And Trevor missed 2 out of the 6 races last year! Nobody has a car that will fit those rules! NOT ONE CAR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TREVOR RUNS A PLATE KIT. NOW YOU TELL ME WHOS COMING OUT NEXT YEAR TO RUN AGAINST A PLATE KIT CAR WITH 3 YEARS TESTING UNDER HIS BELT AND RUNNING 4.99????? NONE!!!!
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: ARE YOU SAYIN IF I GO TO THE ORIGINAL RULES, PLATE KIT ONLY TUFF STREET WILL BE THE ONLY PLACE THESE PLATE CARS CAN RUN???
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: No Chad and Trevor will still run U/S and TTT5 because there cars fit both classes. But Trevor might not even be racing next year if he sells his car.
Date Posted:08:08:28 10/30/09 Fri
Because there cars will fit both classes the problem is alllllllllllllllllllllll the Ultimate street, TTT5 and current Tuff street cars will no longer fit in the (PLATE KIT ONLY) rules.
Date Posted:11:32:05 10/30/09 Fri
JOE, I understood, what John said, I agree to his point, I stay away from the board because of work, and the next thing I see that, you want to cancel us out. The reason why the guys are not on here fussing is that, they are all are trying to get ready for next year to come.
Changing the rules back the old one, in my eyesight would be a mistake. If you look back this whole complete season Tuff street had no arguments about the rules. I am getting calls and emails about the class from guys are ready to show next year. We are working on some glitches for the small block cars,with the weight and power, and when this is completed I guarantee you that the small block will be out in full force next year making things happen. We are not going to slow anybody down, weight changing every race, but to give the best show that this class can give. Believe me haven't seen nothing yet. From this point on we will be able to guarantee you 8 or more car like you ask. but we are looking to see more than 12-16 car @ 90% of the races.
Yes we do have alot of cars here in Houston, and they are coming out of the garage next year. Your schedules are up, and the guys like that, now they can set there days to be at a race.
Joe we have respected the guys in Austin for the group of guys that love to race. They also travel to Dallas to keep them afloat also. Simularity of the rules is what keep them ready to travel, but to change there cars all around to go race out of town, they will cease to show. This will hurt any class.
Like the 8.5 class its new, OUTLAW, fit for all, got alot to work out and get going. I am behind you for them, they have a lot to work out. This subject about the 8.5 has been going on for about two weeks now, and has not come to an arrow head yet.
Tuff Street will be the class you will be very proud of next year. We are mini outlaws with stock suspension cars.
Date Posted:12:38:49 10/30/09 Fri
why dont we all try to get together and have a rules meeting and try to get something figured out we had a rules meeting way back on the back half class we can do the same on the8.5 class and if you want to be heard be at the meeting we will never get it hashed out on the computer cause not everyone sighns there name ( imagine that )open for suggestions
Date Posted:07:20:46 10/31/09 Sat
Hey Joe,
You need to bring Turbo cars back in with more equitable wieght breaks and rules. You lost an entire sector of cars based on the rules. Car count dropped and fan interest dropped. Hope you can bring them back in.... but you will need to have a turbo person help with the rules.
Turbo cars are wild and run lots of MPH come on hard the last 330 and make for exciting racing. They are inconsistent; they get wild and fans have fun..... I think that is what you need?????
Date Posted:13:55:45 10/31/09 Sat
Why not just subtract or add on the time slip. Instead of adding or takeing out weight? Just figure the overages and deduct from the slip. You might have a winner on the slip but after you subtact the fastest time from the desired times, who-ever is the winner after the math is the winner. That way the faster cars can still be searching for more power in their tuneups and maybe move up to another class once they have got to a fastest enough time. Im not a racer, but I think adding weight between rounds in just crazy. You will have more cars if they think they have a chance against a faster car if the time difference is calcuated in the slip. The fans still get to see some fast passes. Kinda like bracket racing but take it out of the slip and not at the tree.... Just a thought....
Date Posted:00:07:36 11/01/09 Sun
Sounds like the problem that ALL classes have is that no matter what limits, weights, parts you limit on cars, there are a couple of people with big money and experience behind them that come in and dominate the class. This makes a few memorable passes, but by the end of the season, the car count dissipates and the class fails.
My family has raced BMX bicycles in the ABA for a number of years. They have a similar problem. You have a few guys/ kids on high dollar titanium and carbon fiber bikes that have been racing since they could walk. They can run circles around the entry level guy on a decent bike. You want to be fair to both. You don't want to penalize the fast guy and make him go slow like the noob, and if the new guy is getting pummeled every tim he gets on the track he will sell his bike and find a new hobby after a few races.
Here's their solution. They have classes that are determined by the riders stats instead of the parts on their bike. They have three classes Novice, Intermediate, and PRO. Once you win like 7 races as a novice, you are moved to the intermediate class (for good, you can NEVER move back to the Novice class) then after another x number of wins you move to the pro class.
What this does is it keeps the new guys and lower budget guys from being easy meat for the big guys. It also gives the big guys a place to play. They can run all out without being held back. The pro class guys are truly impressive to watch, the cover 25 foot gaps on bicycles. This is the other effect that this system has. The Novice class becomes an added spectator group for the track. Maybe you would only need two classes for drag racing.
If you want to keep the baddest 8.5 outlaw times in the world at your events then the last thing you would want is to slow the cars down. Instead loosen the rules a little and give the heavy hitters their own class to set records in and keep the novice class for car count. The higher the car count the more spectators.
Date Posted:23:22:09 10/31/09 Sat
HELP.... I AM LOOKING TO BUY A CAR HAULER CHEAP...I AM ON A BUDGET... IT MUST HAVE A DOVETAIL...PLEASE EMAIL ME WITH WHAT YOU HAVE AND PRICE.
[> Subject: I got an old logging chain ( needs a hook on one end) Hell, I'll give it to ya.
Date Posted:17:30:20 10/30/09 Fri
Looks like it is time to put a roll bar in the station wagon. It is a street car, and I want to retain use of the back seat - so it will probably take some creative bending!
Do not have an unlimited budget, but I am willing to pay a little extra to get a NICE product.
My e-mail is posted, in case there are suggestions (or warnings) that you don't want made public.
Date Posted:15:02:59 10/27/09 Tue
ROBERT ANDERSON CHANGING THE PLUGS -OWNS THE TRUCK, THAT'S PAUL BROGDEN FAR SIDE RUNNING THE VALVES, HELPS WITH THE TUNEUPS, DON'T KNOW THE CREW PERSON BY THE DOOR.
KLINT LaBLANC IS OFF CHECKING THE TRACK, SOMETHING ALL DRIVERS SHOULD DO BUT DON'T!! KLINT OWNS THE MOTOR, SMALL BLOCK CHEVY FUKERS, AND TRANS AND DOES ALL THE TUNEUPS AND HANDLES THE 7531 BOX!! THEY SEEMS TO BE DOING SOMETHING RITE!~! GOT THE 8.5 OUTLAWS ALL 'TOE-UP WITH A NEW 8.5 OUTLAW NATIONAL RECORD 5.19 @ 140 MPH!! CONGRATULATIONS ON THE FASTES 8.5 PASS EVER IN THE WORLD, TEXAS, LOUSIANA, MISISSIPPI AND UP NORTH AND EUROPE AND SOUTH AND NORTH POLE!!!
P.S. ANYONE SAY IT AIN'T SO -KLINT SAYS GET IN THE OTHER LANE!! KLINT EVEN BET SAID HE WOULD BET THE "IRON MAN" A $1000 BUCKS GIVE HIM 3 PASSES WITH KENNY'S ORANGE NOVA AND HE WOULD PUT KENNY IN THE TEENS!! -HOW'S THAT FOR CONFIDENCE!..NOT TRYING TO STIR NUTHIN UP, JUST SAYIN THOUGH........
Date Posted:19:55:21 10/27/09 Tue
BAD ASS PASS NO DOUBT!!! NATIONAL RECORD, CAN'T SEE IT, AIN'T AT NATIONAL WEIGHT, BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT, HAS NOT BACKED IT UP. EVERYONE KNOWS, FOR IT TO BE A RECORD YOU HAVE TO BACK IT UP, OTHERWISE IT COULD BE CALLED A FLUCKE, LUCK, ONE TIME WONDER, WHATEVER ONE WISHES TO CALL IT. NOT TO DOWN PLAY IT, AGAIN CUDOS GO OUT, "ONE" BAD ASS PASS, CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT DONE AGAIN (NATIONAL WEIGHT WOULD BE NICE, THEN IT COULD BE A NATIONAL RECORD)EVEN WITHOUT NATIONAL WEIGHT IT COULD ATLEAST BE A TEXAS RECORD. CONGRATS ON THE PASS.
Date Posted:20:55:08 10/27/09 Tue
Just curious on weight, how can the small block 8.5 weight be 3150lbs when the big block weight is only 3350lbs(national weights-lol). Thats only a two hundred lb. difference.Now heres my bitch there is no other outlaw class thats like that-NONE. At minimum outlaw 10.5 is 300lbs and true ten five is 400 lbs difference.Also who gives a shit if it has sheetmetal intakes or cast, thats why its called OUTLAW style racing.One last thing your national boys had two cars show up at the last race, so whos following who.
[> [> [> Subject: Maybe it is not the North that is complaining
Date Posted:21:51:22 10/27/09 Tue
The national record post was made by the blue nova. Watch the video, the blue Nova "was" the record holder until this side by side pass in the second chance race. The primer truck just drove on by the nova and the truck has a sb chevy, the 67 nova has a 632 big chief rat. Not a 1 hit wonder either the truck went a 5.26 first time out. We have only been to the track 3 times and this was our 3rd time, first race. Thank you and please drive thru.
Date Posted:22:14:09 10/27/09 Tue
WHO'S COMPLAINING??? JUST STATING FACTS! BY THE WAY, BLUE NOVA WEIGHS 3450 HEAVIEST CAR IN THE CLASS. IT IS WHAT IT IS!!! 500 POUND WEIGHT DIFFERENCE AND ONLY 200 HP DIFFERENCE, NO WHEELIE BARS, AND MANAGES TO GET DOWN THE TRACK WITH NO PROBLEM. HATERS WILL HATE! RACERS WILL RACE!
BY THE WAY LET'S GET THIS STRAIGHT, IT'S~ MRS. GRILLMASTER.
"WHAT YA WANNA DO TAZ?" MAKE IT LIGHT ON YOURSELF, SEEMS YOUR GOOD AT THAT!
Date Posted:22:02:48 10/27/09 Tue
check Texas king of the hill bb nos 2800 lbs. and sb nos 2600 lbs. and for true 10.5 i don't see any 600 inch motors in that class. 706 plus maybe. but i guess that don't mean shit.
point is you limit the 8.5 class on bb cid and go from there.
600 cid 1 carb makes about 1000 to 1100 hp
420 plus sb 2 carb makes about 850 to 950 hp and you think 400 lbs. is good.
how can a man say he can tune a car and walk aroung asking everyone how should i do this how should i do that. then say well everyone should learn to turn a car like he has
Date Posted:08:29:30 10/28/09 Wed
As far as the engine difference between small block and big block cast or sheet metal intakes and carbs, thats a choice and cubic inch size is also a choice. No where can i find a cubic inch rule in any rules(north or south), so basicly what your saying is since i didnt build a big enough motor lets stack more weight on the small block combos so we can run with them-lol-thats classic.Also if asking questions means you cant tune, then you are all idiots, not one of you can say you started the use of nitrous or were a born over night chassis man. IN FACT IF THE TRUCK WAS MINE I WOULD TAKE THAT BABY KIT OFF AND SHOW YOU A REAL F#$@ NUMBER.There will always be haters, just make a set of rules that are fair and lets see who can out tune who, the timing board will have the final say.
Date Posted:09:46:47 10/28/09 Wed
i think your name speaks for it self. we're talking about rule changes with 8.5 racers not wanna be so go away and play with hot wheels.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: The #s do the talking
Date Posted:10:33:47 10/28/09 Wed
The only dumb question is the one not asked. So I ask people what they do to get their car to work sometimes. That does not mean I do it their way so get over yourself just because someone asks you a question. We put new double adjustable shocks on the truck Friday morning and added weight therefore we had to figure out what our chassis needed. John with Custom Performace and Engines actually gave us the chassis tune right before the 5.19 pass with a 1.30 sixty ft. The attempted pass to back it up was a 1.29 60 ft pass where I aborted run.
As far as the power goes the MPH hour is there and has been there since the 1st hit and I bet no one can tell me the fuel pressure, timing retards or jet sizes so how you like me now?
NRC has built one hell of a small block and gave me a sugestion but I still went with the same tune I had on the foger system since FSTA days with this motor.
We will not add stupid weight to the truck so big blocks will not have to lean on their engine like we do. We wil not attend races that do not give fair weight breaks. We are at(2976/432) = 6.9lbs per cubic inch right now where Harvey is 5.5lbs per cubic inch right now with his 632ci motor weighing in at 3450lbs. (3450/632) = 5.49lbs per cubic inch. Both combinations have two Carbs. I am not trying to start shit here but I am pointing out some facts.
Date Posted:21:51:10 10/28/09 Wed
Craig and Daniel (TSS) are totin' 11.5 pounds per cubic inch, they are still running at 3350 pounds to keep the class competetive. Don't see them on here cryin about cubic inch ratio. Hats off to them for the biggest cubic inch to weight ratio.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Harvey try out this math for $500. I have $500 that says Triangle is about to pull the weight out
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at 3350 they will not be competetive in 2010
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Date Posted:22:20:09 10/28/09 Wed
TSS can burn it up running for second place next year or take out the weight. The reason your so heavy is because you have a junk chassis and can't make it work. Why not ask Klint for some help instead of cry about his weight.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: who are you
Date Posted:22:50:09 10/28/09 Wed
if you have a name i will take that bet any day TSS will be in competetive at 3350
how are going to ask someone to bet and not have name, i guess the same way you don't have car and talking shit about rules and people. you go and play with hot wheels too.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Now that's funny Sh*$ right there!
Date Posted:12:35:49 10/29/09 Thu
Why would he want to ask Klint for his help, he managed to get it hooked and make one good pass. Harvey has his hooked everytime. If you didn't have your head up Klints ass you may have seen that. What a joke.And I don't think anyone has a problem with another driver asking for advise, but if your gonna ask for advise, don't turn around in the same night and act like your shit don't stink and you just schooled everyone-maybe they should do what your doing. Kinda arrogant don't ya think. To each his own though.
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I love my hot wheels and kenny has his own set.
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Date Posted:08:19:57 10/29/09 Thu
Sam can you say PROCHARGER so i dont think weight to cubic inch plays a factor in this combo.That 280 c.i. motor becomes 600 c.i. when its procharged, come on sam you know this.
Date Posted:08:33:55 10/29/09 Thu
Its funny to read these post because i remember when Tony and myself used to run true ten five, these post look almost identical-LOL.Why doesnt everyone just relax and lets set some rules that are fair for everyone.How about conventinal head small block 2950 lbs, non conventional 3100
conventional big block 3250 lbs and non conventional 3400 lbs.Blowers and turbos i have no idea, dont know enough about them, but im sure we can work it out.Now as far as the truck goes, sure we have had our problems, but it is a new combo, gonna take some time.Also im the first to say if i dont know the answer i will ask someones opinion on a particular set up.Rather that be chasis or nos.But with Clint, Robert, Bryan and myself we have alot of racing backrounds between us and that 5.19 pass will only get better.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: MR. I love my hot wheels and kenny has his own set
Date Posted:11:27:12 10/29/09 Thu
What do you think a 430in. small block makes when you spray two kits too it...uhh, about 1300 too 1400 horsepower...They just have diffrent ways of forcing oxygen into the motor...So that makes both combos have the same horsepower but yet TSS is at 3350 and the truck is at 2975....now get your calculator out and do a little more math..
I think that its awesome that the truck run that fast...hats off to them.....
AND WHO EVER MADE THE POST ABOUT DADS CAR NOT WORKING...ARE YOU STUPID, SIMPLE, OR SLOW... HE RAN 5.20S ALL NIGHT AT 138 TO 141 MPH WITH NO WHEELIE BARS..NOW YOU TELL ME WHOS SUSPENSION AINT WORKING????
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: so that i understand you correctly
Date Posted:12:37:45 10/29/09 Thu
So your saying that a 280 c.i. nitrous motor will make as much power as a procharged 280 c.i. motor.and if that trucks small block is making 1300 to 1400 hp, he must be spraying the guts out of it, over 600 hp in nitrous?, i dont think so.that 650 c.i. big chief motor should make that on motor and probably does, it leaves the starting line on motor, then turns the shit on about 30 ft out
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: lol...Your killing me with your ignorance!!!!
Date Posted:14:48:09 10/29/09 Thu
The motor in that truck makes about 950-975 hp on motor..spray 350-450 shot of nitrous..(probably more than that, but i dont know). The TSS mustang makes about 400 hp with no boost...1400 with boost...
Dads car has a 622ci motor in it that built 1195 horsepower tweeked out on the dyno..he sprays a 150 shot out of the hole and brings in a 225 shot.
I never said anything about a 283 would make as much power on nitrous as it does boosted...because it probably wont...
im just saying that everyones combo(klint,TSS,Sam,kenny)is making really close to the same horsepower ...so why should a small block get to way 450lbs lighter than a BB..
Date Posted:09:27:55 10/30/09 Fri
If you thing that small block makes 950-975 on motor you have lost your mind-lol.That particular small block is a wedge motor, it might make 850 and it better be a bmf to make that.If it made 1400 hp that 5.19 would be more like 4.99 or better.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: rats in the woodpile
Date Posted:11:43:33 10/31/09 Sat
If you want to be a terror in these new classes do I have a motor for you. 747 ci pontiac with sheet metal intake 2 dominators and foggers. Fresh ready to bolt in with dry sump and everything. Dan redid the heads and G&G did the short block. we are going to put a small block in the firebird so I will not be using this one. Make me a offer and dont be shy this is a serious piece. I have the intake and the oil pan off so you can inspect it.
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Date Posted:08:00:35 10/31/09 Sat
Sounds like an awesome class! Let's also make the rules state you have to have a 3/4 cam and glasspacks, too. 200lb. penalty if the motor came out of a police intercepter, though.
Date Posted:08:18:04 10/31/09 Sat
i have a 1984 chevy truck and i put a 350 in it but the truck has no power. the car i pulled it from had plenty power but the carb wasnt that good it is a quadrajet. it is flooding out real bad but it idles fine it just doesnt have any power could the carb make the engine not have any power.
Date Posted:09:08:39 10/31/09 Sat
when car is running rev it up while choking the carb a few times and c if it clears up . might have trash in it . also bad valve springs will cause the motor to have less power or flat cam lobes. timing will also .
Date Posted:22:25:19 10/30/09 Fri
FRESH powerglide w/Trans Brake. I decided to go a differant direction.
Was gone through by James Lovelady. Never installed since freshen. $1325
Date Posted:21:25:37 10/29/09 Thu
how much hp can a ductile iron capped dart lil m block handle,an any dealers on here that have good prices on them. thanks
Date Posted:22:19:32 10/29/09 Thu
iv put over 1600 hp w/turbo on a lil m best block iv ever bought.
[> [> Subject: call High performance world in garland they will ship to you I just bought a big m block from him he gave me a pretty good deal and had it in stock with steel caps 972-271-3900
Date Posted:18:59:33 10/30/09 Fri
I just bought a dart lil m 4.125 bore ,with billets caps brand new for 2275.00 shipped to door.i dont think no one around here can match this price.
Date Posted:18:14:19 10/30/09 Fri
i have a mexican 350 4bolt block what can u tell me about them and how much power u think they can handle thanks in advance
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Date Posted:18:11:00 10/30/09 Fri
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Date Posted:21:02:41 10/29/09 Thu
If I wanted to get LMR to do some work on a 2003 VETT for me, who would I speak with over there, any help would be greatly appreciated.
[> Subject: PROBABLY ANYONE THAT ANSWERS THE PHONE CAN HELP YOU!
Date Posted:17:33:43 10/29/09 Thu
IS THERE ANY SEAT RULES ... CAN YOU USE ANY SEAT IN ANY CAR AND RUN DOWN THE TRACK OR IS THERE A CUT OFF ON FACTORY SEATS ? HP , MPH , CLASS ECT?
Date Posted:09:24:45 10/30/09 Fri
IVE SEEN THAT A MILLION TIMES , IT STILL DOESNT ANSWER MY QUE.
[> [> [> Subject: I have seen cars running in the 8's with stock seats. I would think it would depend on how well its mounted and how you can get the racing harness you need to fit it than it would matter if it iwas a stock seat or not.
Date Posted:12:27:19 10/30/09 Fri
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Date Posted:17:08:12 10/29/09 Thu
I believe a large back window trucks are a bit more rare from what I've seen. I've been a 64 stepside owner since 1983 and love the 59 to 66 models. The only more appealing back window to me is the wrap around cameo (?) style on some of the late fiftees trucks. That is a long way to say that I would pay more for a large back window truck.
If you happen to have a small window truck though, I have NOS glass that will fit 60 to 66 in the original GM packaging if you are interested. Hope this helps.
Date Posted:21:40:25 10/28/09 Wed
does anyone know about a guy namrd tommy from spring texas, has a wrecked mustang for sale? he says it has a 434 18 degree motor with eagle rotating assy with about 10 passes. supposed to run 5;s on spray, can anyone confirm or deny.
[> Subject: SOUNDS LIKE THOMAS TO ME..... I SAW A 5.67 IN HIS SB BLUE MUSTANG
Date Posted:21:54:46 10/28/09 Wed
I THINK IT WILL RUN EASY 5.80'S 5.70S ON A MODERATE TUNE UP.... NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID I DON'T KNOW WHICH SB MOTOR THAT WAS........ BUT THOMAS IS A STRAIGHT UP GUY IN MY BOOK!
[> [> Subject: on my stop whatch ive got a 5.55 to 5.65
Date Posted:08:01:00 10/29/09 Thu
thomas is a straight up guy i know he just freshend the 434 and the times are true everyone is tellin you if i needed one wouldnt be scared to buy from him .
Date Posted:09:24:42 10/30/09 Fri
yea thats mine but it barly run in the 60,s guy said i already took to much stuff off the car and tried to low ball me so i sent him all the way home emptey handed. new car allready in the works but would like to run radial class.
Date Posted:11:55:02 10/29/09 Thu
Need some help here! With hundreds of products and pads available now, I'm just scatching my head figuring what to purchase.
Basically I need to remove some orange peel from my paint. Will sand with 1500 then 2000 grit paper. Could some bodyshop guru's jump in and tell me what works for them as far as Pads and compounds.With so many available I don't know which to purchase.
Date Posted:13:42:23 10/29/09 Thu
......if it's real bad, start with 1200,then the 1500, wet sand with the waterhose as you sand keeping surface ALWAYS wet, do in small patch's about 12x12, use 3M rubb'n compound [liquid], then use the 3M swirl mark remover, you'll find those at pep boy's, n keep the buff'n pad clean when it starts to mat-up,...hope this helps,oh,...n wash car real good when finished, the compound is a bitch to get off if drys n the cracks !
Date Posted:07:51:40 10/30/09 Fri
WHEN SANDING THE TEXTURE OUT USE A THIN FOAM PAD/BLOCK, DURABLOK MAKES A NICE ONE. RATHER THAN GOING TO THE 2000 GRIT 3M MAKES A 3000 HOOKIT PAD FOR A D/A, BUT YOU CAN USE THEM BY HAND(JUST KEEP EM WET). IT WILL MAKE BUFFING A LOT EASIER. USE 3M PERFECT-IT COMPOUND ON A WHITE FOAM PAD, USE 3M SWIRL REMOVER ON THE GRAY PAD. AFTER YOU WASH THE CAR, COME BACK WITH A HAND GLAZE
Date Posted:00:25:26 10/29/09 Thu
trucks sputtering while driving and smoking once it trys to clear up. check engine light comes on. used 1 can of seafoam with fill up 3 weeks ago. problem came back. any suggestion will work.
Date Posted:09:28:48 10/29/09 Thu
You couldn't give me another 6.0 powerstroke diesel. I bought mine used with about 60k on it. It was a Lariat 4X4 crew cab, a beautiful comfortable truck. I thought the truck would go 300-400,000 miles like my other diesels. The truck had good power and towed like a dream, but I couldn't keep it out of the dealer....4 times in a year!!!! Each time they had it at least 2 weeks!!!! Ford has so many warranty problems with the 6.0 powerstrokes they offered a supplemental 200k warranty and have a special warranty approval procedure. The tech troubleshoots the truck, verifies the parts are bad then calls for approval. There's a good chance nothing will be done on the truck until an adjuster shows up to inspect, verify and approve the tech's work.....meanwhile my truck (which I depend on to make a living is just setting there)
Trips to the dealer were for injectors (6 of the 8 eventually), EGR cooler problems twice, and some kind of breakdown where the truck just shut off and had to be towed to the dealership.
The EGR cooler is probably what is giving you the problem. That system puts the exhaust, intake air, oil and coolant all in proximity to each other. It is the biggest headache and fails regularly without warning. The dealer can charge 2-3000 to fix. Next time your at the dealership look around for a big pile of radiators. Another side effect of a failed EGR system is excessive pressure going into the cooling system and rupturing the radiator. The dealership that fixed mine had a pile several feet tall.
The newer powerstrokes have the added advantage of needing to pull the cab for maintenance as minor as replacing a turbo seal. Good luck to you I hope you have better luck than I did........Bart
Date Posted:11:49:01 10/29/09 Thu
EGR valve. Just had mine done at tomball ford and they did a good job. All warranty work and mine was doing the same thing.Found a few other things as well related to it. I know they make an egr delete kit that guys are using.
Date Posted:12:13:44 10/29/09 Thu
Its the EGR Valve. The 6.0 powerstrokes are notorious for clogging the EGR vlave. My truck went to the dealership 7 times in less than a year for this issue. The techs will at first just clean the valve and all is well for a few days or weeks. Then it comes back. Even had the valve replaced twice. Got tired of it and got rid of the truck.
Date Posted:21:08:23 10/29/09 Thu
Take the old cooler and tig it shut on both ends (stainless steal)and put it back on.Been there fixed that,no more leaks no check engine light and no more problems!!!!
Date Posted:23:04:30 10/29/09 Thu
You can thank our government for "fucking" up all the diesels on the market today not just the Fords!! They made us add EGR valves/exhaust catalysts and use ultra low sulfer diesel just to name a few things and its gonna get worse for 2010 models just wait and see!!
Date Posted:20:56:01 10/29/09 Thu
DOES THE 09' 6.4 MODEL'S HAVE PROBLEM'S LIKE THIS? THINKING ABOUT GETTING ONE SOON. 2nd ONE ON THE LIST IS A DODGE MEGACAB. DODGE WOULD BE 1st BUT THEY DONT LOOK AS GOOD AS A FORD. AND THE CHEVY or GMC's ARE JUST PLAN UGLY.
Date Posted:05:02:57 10/30/09 Fri
i have 2 08 fords 6.4 dually automatics no problems so far one has 70000 and the other 54000 with the exception of the fuel mileage there great we pull trailers almost every day ive tried diffrent chips to get the mileage up but no luck yet ill just settle with 11.8 i ghuess
Subject: Just curious..........what are the 'ol heavy hitters like Justin Curry and Kyle Huttell up to now days. Don't see their names mentioned on here recently.
Date Posted:19:04:12 10/29/09 Thu
I AM LOOKING FOR A 2005 OR 06 MUSTANG BODY.IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE RUNNING. JUST A GOOD BODY. THANK YOU CALL NO. (281)-219-2301 MR. T
Date Posted:09:53:13 10/28/09 Wed
wrecked but little chassie damage, complete 88 mustang, glide, qa1, strange coil overs, 436 18* all jessel rockers and belt drive,vacum pump,7al,nos controller,4 stage retard, outlaw hood still great, bg280,1 gallon cell and blue for nos, $10,500, our $7000 for motor only, 832-606-3356, allready have offer on motor and trans but not quit right
GOT SOME SPY INFO FROM A GOSSIP SPONSOR, ANDY IN CHANNELVIEW OVER AT STRAIGHTLINE RACE CARS, A GOSSIP SPONSOR!
First is Angel Padilla from the valley, 25.2 complete ground-up with all the fixins. You name it, it has it more to come.
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Some shop pics, plus next the add-on will be done, 50 ft. X 50 ft. air-conditioned with machine shop and jigs.
Date Posted:21:09:39 10/29/09 Thu
I would like to thank all the customers and HRG readers for all the support, it has been my therapy and pleasure since I lose my Father of mesothelioma/asbestos cancer 5 months ago,after a 14 month battle, he was my best friend. He got me into to hot rods early, so it was a passion we shared, so I would personally like to thank everyone that is in the racing community
Subject: 15x15 Beadlocks/33x10.5w's For Sale $1700
Date Posted:23:21:42 10/27/09 Tue
Need to sell:American Racing Trakstar Double Beadlocks
15x15 with 3 inch backspace, 5x4.75 B/P. They have one set of Red anodized rings and one original platinum set. They have a set of Hoosier 33x10.5w tires with about 4-5 1/8 mile motor passes. Going TT5 racing. (713) 471-5223
Date Posted:16:43:26 10/29/09 Thu
2000 stock suspension trans am factory interior set up for bbc with motor plates and lemons bbc headers 433 pro gear moser axles strange disc brakes strange rear coil over qa1 in the front alum radiator and fan fuel system electronics rear wing chute dedenbar superglide with 6000 stall converter all auto meter guages b&m dragster shifter that has been 6.15 at 211 mph in todd moyers car $12,000 832-984-5033 call now operators r on stand by.
Date Posted:16:31:58 10/29/09 Thu
2000 pace 35' gooseneck enclosed trailer,has 3axles,good tires,spare,8000lb wench and battery,gray in color,no major dents,diamond plate floor.Asking $6000 obo pics can be seen on craigslist or email me mwmache@yahoo.com 281-658-0393
Date Posted:10:02:16 10/29/09 Thu
Depends on the year. Early models the big window tends to be more desireable howver in the later years the small window tended to be a lil rarer.
Date Posted:15:11:24 10/29/09 Thu
The big back window was an option in 67' . Most were small window . 68' the panoramic rear window became standard and small window was dropped . Not set in stone , but most air or high option trucks got the big back window .
Date Posted:08:17:41 10/27/09 Tue
I hear that Roy is scared to run Rat Daddy for Mr. HMP.
I'm sure Mr.Joe Goldman has been trying to get this guys to race. The fans I think would like to see this race happen there is no other races going on @ HMP since the Bat and Rat Daddy Ran for Mr HMP title.
Date Posted:12:09:14 10/27/09 Tue
Dada,I seriously doubt if Roy and the Twins are scared to race ratt or anybody in there class. Now I really don't think they give a damn about the Mr.Hmp title,but i'll bet ya they will run for some cash.If you're interested in putting a little cash on that race,contact me.(979)482-1897 Peace.
Date Posted:13:36:08 10/27/09 Tue
My money would be on the Twins. I dont think Rat Daddy is concerned about money I think some one needs to answer somebody's call.
Date Posted:11:10:04 10/29/09 Thu
The points leaders as of the September TXDRL race and Joe Golden will have 10 copies each given to them by me Sunday Night at HMP. Pat Grigsby has already picked up his. The rest know who they are!! Hell, might even buy a tech card and make a pass down the track in my truck for the first time! See ya there!
Date Posted:08:32:29 10/29/09 Thu
>>>>>>Help Wanted…… part time evening or full time….Experienced auto sheet metal man for work on classic cars. Must have experience and good references. Must be experienced in tig, mig, plasma sheet metal working and fabrication. Work will include installation of quarter panels, floor pans, roof panels, door skins, rocker panels, etc. on classic cars. Knowledge of custom fabrication, stainless and aluminum is a plus. Part time evening work or full time available. Contact Roy at 713-365-9000
Date Posted:14:19:19 10/28/09 Wed
What is the skinny? When is pink's comming to HMP . How much does it cost to be a tater and whats the damage to be a drag racin tater at this specticale. Herd something about a Quick 8 there at the same time? true or is it all false. Just got off the chain Sunday n want to get the bugs out the ole propoaganda mechine. Ahhhhh Happy Days are here again.
Racer registration opens on October 1st for Rich Christensen’s Armdrop Live at Houston Motorsports Park on November 6th & 7th. Registration is limited to 250 cars. Click below for more information:
[> [> Subject: Will any Promods be there? Any TT5, OT5?
Date Posted:23:01:53 10/28/09 Wed
is this radial tire class gonna get kicked off? is there any rules laid out yet or is it still up in the air, just wondering,
Date Posted:09:05:43 10/30/09 Fri
yes we would still like to get this class going, but no deffanat rules yet. would like to hear for more people about it. if we do this is lexan be an issue if it is kept to a minimum, i know their was some complaning last time, and if we have a problem about no 315 radials then we stick to 275 60 only. does exuast matter our just make sure it has mufflers, if you guys are serious then maybe we can get together and pay a say $40- $50 member fee to help for pump to keep legetand to have a say so in this. so far i know at least 5 cometted people.
Date Posted:18:59:31 10/28/09 Wed
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Date Posted:10:41:04 10/26/09 Mon
I have a hughes power glide out of the red malibu, about 20 passes on it 2500.00 firm also have a hughes converter 4500 stall 500.00 obo. call me at 713-539-3945 Earl.
Date Posted:08:39:01 10/27/09 Tue
Im sure you dont have anything but your head to run, if there were more race cars than key board punks like you,we might have kept the car,but when we brought that turd out couldnt buy a race,so thats why we sold it.
[> [> [> Subject: Buy a race? We watched yal run scared from philip in the Venom!
Date Posted:10:47:42 10/27/09 Tue
After running yal mouth about racing him he called yal bluff! Hell the one earl with da mouth aint even got a car! Feetman said he was ready too then yal dont even show up to the track! Now looks like earl aint even got a friends car to hide behind and never had his own!
Date Posted:08:00:56 10/28/09 Wed
That bald headed squirrel with the loud mouth ain't got nothing to run but his head.I feel sorry for that fat dude that own's the car because he can't never go to the track without stupid tagging along with his weak as shit of WE GOT THIS AND WE GOT THAT.Only thing that baldy taught fat boy was to run his mouth only to have to tuck his tail in his ass and crawlfish like a cowered little bitch.That loud mouth dude been around a long time and as far as I know has never had shit that belonged to him that could get out of it's own way.Must be a broke ass mother fucker.
Date Posted:10:30:19 10/28/09 Wed
I know you fucking no name pussys want to talk shit and hide behind your key board, why dont you talk shit like that out at the track and we will see how bad your punk ass can be if you get out from behind your computer.And for your inf. the malibu was half mine if you dont think so just put your money where your mouth is, oh i forgot you cant tell me who you are you fucking scared little bitch...
Date Posted:11:07:39 10/28/09 Wed
thats funny i talked to the short fat one at the track after your tune up blew tha carbs off and fucked it all up and he said its tuff when your tryin to do it all on your own never said nothin bout you as a partner maybe you teamed up after he got it fixed and runnin better your one of those types that "we us and i" while its runnin good and disapear when its not !!and just cause you change the oil and wash it dont make you half partner lololol @ u
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Shorty owned that car not Earl. Go ask Shorty or Dwight Lightin!!! Both told us!!!
Date Posted:06:51:56 10/28/09 Wed
No chass work was done only stock chass was going to make a drag truck out of it but went with a reg cab no need for this one now it has a straight body, it had a sbc in it
[> [> [> Subject: Please send pictures and location
Date Posted:08:40:49 10/28/09 Wed
I have a freind that was going to go and buy one this upcoming weekend. Do you have headers for it by any chance, is it still set up for the SBC?
Date Posted:16:16:04 10/28/09 Wed
The only headers I have is some shorty and yes it is still set up for a SBC I'm located in between Huntsville and Livingston in a small town called Point Blank, Tx my number is 936 714-7866 or 936 714 6863
Date Posted:10:28:56 10/28/09 Wed
THE QUICKEST TREVOR HAS DONE THE POINTS ALL YEAR IS ABOUT 7 DAYS THE AVERAGE HAS BEEN CLOSER TO 12 TO 14 DAYS. AND I MIGHT ADD KEEPING THE POINTS IS A VOLUNTEER JON, ie NO PAY.
THANKS TREVOR FOR KEEPING THE POINTS FOR THE TXDRL THIS YEAR,I KNOW I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK -I'M SURE A LOT OF YOU HAVE SAID THANKS ALSO, ESPECIALLY THE GUYS IN THE POINTS LEADER RUNNING!!
Date Posted:20:06:44 10/26/09 Mon
two 10 pound hiflow bottles $125.00 each,5.13 gears for ford 9, 2inch small blk tube chassis headers, 23 degree brodix small blk heads port work buy LUMP freshin up by farman with titanium valves $2,000 /18degree 2.18 titanium vavles. THIS STUFF KILLS BIG BLOCKS. 832-316-2833
Date Posted:11:59:35 10/25/09 Sun
Im upgrading to a Big Shot plate system. Kind of been flying by the seat of my pants and gettin lucky runnin a cheater system. For the small shot on the big shot system should i use the same plugs NGK 8 or drop down a range and keep the timing close. Most importantly will a Holley Black flow enough for both carb and NOS. 150 was the biggest i ever shot and the plugs were brown with the old setup . I tried to set fuel at 5.5 but it always creeps over 6 . This is a 355 with Brodix heads with work and 750dp
[> Subject: How much compression? You gonna use race gas? What octane? I think you are pushing it using the single black for motor and the nitrous system...How much are you going to spray with the Big Shot Plate? You can start small, 73 jets squared (73 for nitrous and fuel both), flow the plate with the 73 jet, set pressure to 6 and work your way down on the pressure depending on how the plugs look.
Date Posted:16:02:33 10/25/09 Sun
Im gonna spray the smallest shot 200 Its a 10-1 motor running 30 degrees timing on the 150 shot plugs always looked brown . I was gonna back out another 2 degrees and start there. Iwas gonna put the 150 pills and see if it runs the same numbers and go from there.
Date Posted:23:46:40 10/27/09 Tue
Put the pills from the 150 Cheater into the Big Shot plate,Pull 2 more degrees timing. It will pickup.The plate makes a big difference
Date Posted:22:53:48 10/27/09 Tue
I have a used set of mickey 33.0 10.5W 15 tires 50.00 and a set of Hoosiers also these are new, 300.00 for the set. call 281-808-5440.
Date Posted:19:21:55 10/26/09 Mon
which would be better,a 421 0r 434 sbc if you planned on running mostly on motor an spray a 200 shot now an then.This would be a 23 degree set up.What are the pros an cons of both motors,an they would both be used with dart lil m blocks.Wanting some input from people who have ran these motors.thanks
Date Posted:12:19:09 10/27/09 Tue
Darts maximum suggested stroke is 3.875 which would make the 421. People do make the 434 but do you want to push the block passed the maximum suggested stroke right out of the box. The 434 should give more torque with the increased stroke but "piston slap" would be increased correct? I am not an engine builder by any means, this is just my theroy. maybe someone else could shed more light on the subject.
Date Posted:16:24:59 10/27/09 Tue
you have to have a custon piston with a very short skirt,the problem is the longer stroke pulls the piston too far outa the hole.
Date Posted:22:49:50 10/27/09 Tue
Daniel, I have a 421 like you described,dart lilM and all the good stuff. assload of torque & no problem pulling past 8000 rpm. Like the Nike commercial says: Just Do It! You'll throw rocks at your old motor!
Date Posted:22:09:20 10/27/09 Tue
LOOKING FOR A GOOD 9 INCH.LOOKING FOR ONE TO BUILD.IF IT DONT HAVE THE CENTER SECTION THATS GOOD CAUSE I HAVE ONE.BUT I NEED ONE WITH AXLES TO ROLL MY CAR AROUND.LOOKING FOR ONE WITH BRAKES ALSO.AND IF YOU HAVE ONE READY TO GO WITH GOOD STUFF 456 GEARS SPOOL FOR A FARE PRICE THAT WILL B GOOD TO...832 622 2355 KEVIN THANKS.LOOKING TO PUT IT UNDER A 2002 TRANS AN ..JUST TO GIVE YOU A IDEAL OF HOW WIDE I NEED IT TO BE..
Date Posted:22:13:56 10/27/09 Tue
LOOKING FOR WELD PRO STARS TOO.RUNNERS AND 10 INCH REAR FOR 2002 TRANS AM OR OTHER DRAG WHEELS LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE THANKS
Date Posted:21:20:05 10/27/09 Tue
are the sbc motown billet slayed capped race blocks as good as the dart lil m race blocks,and if anyone using a motown block are you happy with it an how much horse power are you putting to it.
Date Posted:20:58:12 10/27/09 Tue
I HAVE A PRE- 1991 4 BOLT MAIN 454 BLOCK I THINK IT IS .O3O BUT IT WILL NEED ONE SLEEVE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY SELL FOR I FIGURE SOMEONE ON HERE WILL. THANKS
[> Subject: Do some price comparisons on places like craigslist or ebay..............eople around here are gonna want you to pay them to take it (LOL)
Date Posted:08:54:02 10/26/09 Mon
somebody make me an offer got
Date Posted: 07:57:03 10/19/09 Mon
1-Pro Systems 1050 nitrous dominator carb 800.00 1- cast yates c-3 manifold welded dominator flange ported with 2 Speedtech Tech 1 foggers 4,000.00 yates c-3 heads cnc ported new Nextek 1449 springs T&D 1.7 rockers with spares Billet Fabrication covers may need two valves in one cylinder due to burnt piston 3,500.00 2" to2 1/8" step headders for 9.5 deck block in fox body with motor plates jet hot coated built by Harrison 500.00 Bare w-351 ford block 4 bolt bushed lifters roller cam bearings 4.125 bore 9.5 deck with danny bee belt drive & meziere water pump & custom steffs pan may need 1 sleeve due to burnt piston 3,500.00 JW max hp pro mod glide sbf bell 4,000.00 Chance 9" bolt together with billet stator1,500.00 MW 3 1/2 cm drive shaft 49" center to center with billet yoke for pg 350.00 MSD sbf crank trigger 100.00 MSD sbf dist for crank trigger large cap 200.00 ATI sbf balancer neutral 300.00 2-Tilton super starters sbf 150.00 each all prices very flexible
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Date Posted:16:59:28 10/27/09 Tue
What happened? I thought Pilcher was bringing Drexels camaro to Dallas and was gonna run over everybody with it. Didnt he run record times testing with it a month ago. Looks like he brought his own car and ran 4.03.
Date Posted:20:10:46 10/27/09 Tue
Just got this complete big block engine,these is a sticker on the valve covers it has: PPH in big letters and under that it has 10PPH T104040159 On the back of the block it has : C301 12558110 or C301 12558HO cant tell which. It also has these little colored paint pen marks on the what I think it the crank trigger. On the front timing chain cover area. Each is like a little different colored dots. One is white, one is yellow, one is green, the other is blue. In this same little area on the timing chain cover it has written the letters A O R I, kinda like a diagram. The engine has some other color paint pen marks around other connections. The only time I have seen this is when a engine has been dynoed. This looks like a brand new crate engine, but the person I got it from claims it has been stroked. Its is fuel injected, but thats all I know. Also other than getting some beakers is there any other way of finding out how many cubic inchs it is?
Thanks in advance....
Date Posted:20:36:59 10/27/09 Tue
I had the engine block number wrong, its 12556110 which is the 8.1L GEN VII Vortec 8100.....
O.K. - This brings me up to another question, maybe for the GM techs. I have a 2002 Chevy Avalanche with the 5.3. It really aint enough to pull the drag car around. How much would I have to go through to swap these two engines?
Date Posted:19:11:01 10/27/09 Tue
motown race block with billet mains
eagle rotating assembly with je pistons 15:1
dart pro1 230cc heads ported by abbott racing heads in odessa
super victor 4500 intake
comp solid roller cam .686 lift with isky red zone lifters
davinci 1050 carb
very consistant motor and reliable.still in car and can hear run before sale.
Date Posted:07:06:06 10/23/09 Fri
HEARD THAT TWINS IN ROY JAMES CAR WON THE FASTEST ET TIME @ ANGELTON LAST WEEKEND, WHEN WILL SOMEONE CHALLENGE THESE GUY'S @ HMP.
Date Posted:11:24:14 10/23/09 Fri
DONT KNOW,MUST HAVE BEEN PRETTY DAM FAST!@@##$%%
[> [> [> Subject: Well it had to be faster than a 4.11 because I know for a fact that; a 4.11 is the track record and it was by Frankie Taylor when I was Prepping the track about 5 years ago..
Date Posted:14:15:12 10/23/09 Fri
BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS ENOUGH FOR THE KING OF HMP "RATDADDY". I ASKED ROY DID HE WANT TO RUN RAT THIS WEEKEND AT THE TXDRL EVENT. ROY SAID HE WOULD BE OUT OF TOWN, THAT WAS COOL
WHAT WAS MISSING WAS, HOW ABOUT NEXT SUNDAY OR NEXT WEEK.. I DON'T THINK THE GUYS ARE QUITE READY FOR "RATDADDY. FROM THE LAST FEW PASSES I SEEN IF THEY ARE NOT READY FOR RAT THEY ARE VERY CLOSE!~
THE TWINS HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH ROYS CAR!
Date Posted:14:48:58 10/23/09 Fri
they are good guys and race hard. it was the fastes car for that night. which was very fast!!!!! they are not scared to put up there time!!
Date Posted:10:38:20 10/24/09 Sat
was at the first race back in the day when rat was driving 1 bad bird in sealy. dont wanna over step my bounds BUT UM THANGS DONE CHANGED IN THA GAME SINCE WAY BACK. GOOD WEATHER PREPED TRACK GOT A STACK ON TWINS!!!! TO WHOMEVER ROLLIN WIT RAT.
Date Posted:17:14:26 10/27/09 Tue
have never known you to back down!!!!
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Well it had to be faster than a 4.11 because I know for a fact that; a 4.11 is the track record and it was by Frankie Taylor when I was Prepping the track about 5 years ago..
