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] Date Posted: 11:23:55 12/27/22 Tue Motions Motions Relating to Disciplinary Procedures Motion 1 Any individual found to be guilty of seeking favourable placements from a judge or judges for particular dancers will be expelled from CLRG. Said individuals will no longer be recognized as a TCRG, ADCRG, or SDCRG in this organization and will not have the ability to return to said organization. Effective Date: Immediate Proposed by Judy McCafferty Motion 2 Any individual found to be guilty of providing favourable placements as requested from another TCRG, ADCRG or SDCRG, will be expelled from CLRG with no possibility of reinstatement to CLRG. Effective Date: Immediate Proposed by Judy McCafferty Motion 3 A teacher that cheats as a teacher should be punished as a teacher and as an Adjudicator. Not just as an Adjudicator. Reason for motion : The punishment should fit the crime. Teachers that have cheated for the benefit of their pupils cheated as teachers and should not only be prevented from judging but also from teaching. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Motion 4A Current rule: Para 3.2 [a] Where following an investigation into any complaint, a recommendation is made that a disciplinary committee is convened, in the case of any individual elected to An Coimisiún or any of its affiliated bodies, [he/she] will be obliged to temporarily step down from any position held while the process is ongoing. (AGM 2016) Change to: Para 3.2 [a] Where following an investigation into any complaint, a recommendation is made that a disciplinary committee is convened, in the case of any individual elected to An Coimisiún or any of its affiliated bodies, [he/she] will be obliged to temporarily step down from any position held while the process is ongoing, and that they inform the Chair/Regional Director (only) of the relevant affiliated body, that they cannot perform their elected duties. Effective Date: Immediate Proposed by Fiona Diggins Murphy on behalf of the Southern England Regional Council Motion 4B That CLRG maintain a thorough roster of all regional boards and representative positions. If at any time an individual is under investigation for gross misconduct, their name will be reviewed against the roster list and the affected board will be informed and the individual can step down from duties immediately. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Maureen Dillon Yawger & Ann Lavin Cassidy on behalf on Mid-America Region Motion 5A That the CLRG hire an outside independent Human Resource Service provider to handle all Investigations, Ethics Cases and Disciplinary Processes in all instances. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 5B ALL Disciplinary procedures are investigated by outside the company/association of CLRG . Reason for Motion As we are a voluntary organisation that has members in it for over 50 years, a lot of our members are close friends, as well as colleagues. Investigating our own organisation, by ourselves, is a direct conflict of interest and will not be productive. We do not want to see CLRG collapse, we want to see CLRG rise out of this scandal, like many other sporting organisations. To do so, we must externally investigate the wrong doings, to eradicate the opportunity for future or ongoing controversy and scandals, but mainly, we must do so for the protection of the children in our organisation. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Motions relating to Procedures at Major Events Motion 6A That all dues paying REGISTRANTS of CLRG who had entries at the previous All Ireland Championships be eligible to vote for the adjudicators for the All Ireland Championships. NB. The word “Registrants” to be changed in accordance with and when the review of the structure of CLRG is completed. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 6B That all dues paying REGISTRANTS of CLRG who had entries at the previous World Championships be eligible to vote for the adjudicators for the World Championships. NB. The word “Registrants” to be changed in accordance with and when the review of the structure of CLRG is completed. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 6C That all registered teachers in good standing worldwide be allowed to vote for All-Ireland and World Championship adjudicators. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Maureen Dillon Yawger & Ann Lavin Cassidy on behalf on Mid-America Region Motion 7 That current MEMBERS of CLRG, entitled to attend CLRG meetings, be prohibited from putting their names forward to adjudicate the All Ireland Championships. NB. The word “Members” to be changed in accordance with and when the review of the structure of CLRG is completed. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 8 That current MEMBERS of CLRG, entitled to attend CLRG meetings, be prohibited from putting their names forward to adjudicate the World Championships as a self-nominating adjudicator. NB. The word “Members” to be changed in accordance with and when the review of the structure of CLRG is completed. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 9 That only one adjudicator from an Associated or Related entity is allowed to adjudicate at any qualifying event, Major Championship (as defined by CLRG), All Ireland Championship or World Championship. The person from the Related or Associated entity with the highest number of votes will be offered a contract and all other Associated or Related persons will forfeit their right to receive a contract even if their total number of votes exceeds the minimum number of votes needed to receive the offer of a contract for an event. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 10 Adjudicators defined as directly related to a particular active competitive dancer may not adjudicate at any qualifying events, Major Championships (as defined by CLRG), All Ireland Championships or World Championships for the duration of the dancer's active competitive career. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 11 That the CLRG define “directly related”. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 12 That Adjudicators defined as having a Conflict of Interest arising from their work providing services to the CLRG, its affiliated bodies, and/or through commerce directly with CLRG dancers and families may not adjudicate at any qualifying events, Major Championships (as defined by CLRG), All Ireland Championships or World Championships. Conflict of Interest would need to be included here but examples would be dress makers, wig and makeup vendors, services for staging, tabulation, AV, social media etc. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 13 That adjudicators and teachers defined as having a Conflict of Interest arising from their work providing services to the CLRG, its affiliated bodies, and/or through commerce directly with CLRG dancers and families may not serve on the governing bodies of those organizations. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 14A That competitor numbers for any qualifying events, Major Championships (as defined by the CLRG), All Ireland Championships, or World Championships may not be published or distributed in advance of the competition. The exact method to achieve this directive is to be agreed by Chairpeople and tabulators for the particular event. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 14B That competitor numbers are to be distributed side stage, before the competitor dances, at all major events and programmes, with numbers and names, cease to be published. Reason for Motion Fairness and transparency. Distributing numbers side stage will help to encourage fairness and transparency in competition and worked very well in a lot of regional Oireachtaisí in 2022. We have to proceed in what we feel is the fairest way for the dancers in our dancing community and we also need to be, and be seen to be, conducting our business in the most transparent means necessary. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Motion 14C That all major competitions put in place standard measures to ensure fair and just competitions for all competitors, i.e. no numbers released before the competition; no cell phones/smart devices allowed to be carried or worn by judges; that panels be accompanied by chaperones during the event; judges are to remain on site in a designated space and not allowed to return to their rooms during the competition day; all notepads and scrap paper are to be supplied each morning by the event organisers. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Maureen Dillon Yawger & Ann Lavin Cassidy on behalf on Mid-America Region Motion 15A That all qualifying events, Major Championships (as defined by the CLRG), All Ireland Championships, and World Championships must, at a minimum, be adjudicated by a panel of five adjudicators and institute the dropping of the highest and lowest scores system. If the event is adjudicated by rotating panels, then the panels must also be comprised of five adjudicators, at a minimum, and the drop the high and low score system must be applied to each round. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 15B That the CLRG provide a fund specifically to finance the cost of the required extended judging panels for regions and localities with smaller entry numbers that meet the financial need criteria set out by the CLRG. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 16A That a new point system be introduced for all CLRG competitions awarding 100 points for 1st place, 85 points for 2nd place(15 point differential), 75 points for 3rd place (10 point differential), 70 points for 4th place (5 point differential), 65 points for 5th place (5 point differential), 61 points for 6th place (4 point differential), 57 points for 7th place (4 point differential), 53 points for 8th place (4 point differential), 50 points for 9th place (3 point differential), 47 points for 10th place (3 point differential), 44 points for 11th place (3 point differential), 41 points for 12th place (3 point differential), etc. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 16B We propose that a new point system be introduced for all CLRG competitions, that we decrease the point-spread among those top places to prevent any individual judge's marks from having a disproportionate effect on outcome. Reason for Motion The point spread is too great between the first few places and gives any one judge too much leverage. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Motion 17 That the current practice of awarding the teachers of the winning solo dancer and winning teams as part of Awards Presentations at qualifying events, Major Championship(as defined by CLRG), All Ireland Championship or World Championship be discontinued. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motions relating to Other Feiseanna Motion 18A That the CLRG establish a random rota of adjudicators, similar to the rota used for Grade Examiners, for every Region and that local feiseanna may only draw from the rota when hiring adjudicators for their event. The feiseanna will have the option to request adjudicators from any of the established rotas to complete their panels to fulfill regional rules limiting the numbers of local adjudicators permitted to judge feiseanna in any Region. Feiseanna interested in hiring out of country adjudicators may request names from the rotas of other countries. Adjudicators presented from any rota that are not chosen will be returned to the rota in the same position. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 18B Reason for Motion: Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Motion 19 That adjudicators may not process any paperwork nor take notes while dancers are actively competing on stage. Adjudicatorsarerequiredtowatchthefullperformanceofeverydancerfromwhentheystartdancinguntilthey complete the dancing portion of their time on stage. Adjudicators may take as much time as necessary between rotations of dancers to complete their notes and required paperwork. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 20A That the CLRG immediately engage the services of an outside statistician to analyse past competitions in order to identify an accepted standard mean deviation which can be used to analyse future competitions and review patterns of inconsistencies in adjudication. Effective Date: Immediate Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 20B That the CLRG establish an adjudication review panel that can utilize the findings of statistical analysis of competitions in order to identify adjudicators that require additional training. The CLRG must move toward consistency in the application of marks in fairness to our dancers and not completely rely on the dropping of scores to remove outliers. That CLRG sets up a rota of adjudicators, similar to the rota used for Grade Examiners, for every Region and that any person organising a local feis has to apply to CLRG when booking adjudicators for their feis. The organisers of the feis may request adjudicators from any region they wish and in turn will receive the next 5 names on the list from which they can choose to invite who they wish to adjudicate at their feis. If they would like an overseas judge then they will be given the next 5 names similarly from that list. Adjudicators that are not chosen will be returned to the rota in the same position and those that are chosen are then put to the bottom of the list. This will give every adjudicator a fair turn of adjudicating regularly. This will also and more importantly give dancers the opportunity of having different adjudicators on a regular basis. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 21 That CLRG defines clearly the elements of Irish Dance that should be considered by an adjudicator when evaluating a dancer's performance in competition. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 22 That the CLRG provide and require continuing education for all adjudicators addressing the valuation of technical and performance skills that merit certain levels of marks in competition, common stage occurrences and how they should be reflected in the marking system, and the goals of consistency in application of marks to dancers for performances. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 23 Than in addition to requiring Vetting and a Child Safety course on a regular basis, that the CLRG require all registrants to complete an Ethics course on a regular basis as part of the Registration process. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 24 That the CLRG address and define Conflict of Interest as it relates to competition. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Motion 25 That solo costumes will no longer be allowed crystals, identifying designs, dancer names or any school or personal identification. Reason for Motion To encourage new dancers to compete, as it is often a discouragement. To eliminate costs for parents, this is a real and current issue. That judges cannot recognise dancers on stage because of their identifying additional attributes. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Motion 26 Adjudicators should not be allowed judge dancers that have costumes made for them BY THAT ADJUDICATOR. Reason for motion: A clear advantage is obvious here to the dancer who wears a costume potentially judged by who made it form them. In some cases hours are spent by the costume maker with the dancer. This is a clear and obvious association. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Motion 27 Put a BAN on wigs Reason for Motion • The condition of the children's hair needs to be taken into consideration; a lot of children are left with bald patches due to wearing of wigs. ‘Traction alopecia is a type of hair loss caused by constant pulling or pressure on the hair follicle and can develop as a result of wearing certain types of wigs and other protective styles, making those with natural hair more prone to the condition’ We are witnessing more cases of alopecia every year as people who are not trained to put on wigs (Parents and dancers) are putting wigs n every weekend and pulling or putting pressure on hair follicles. • Cut cost for parents that is not needed, eliminate stress on the morning of a competition. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Motion 28 That CLRG work on a new Feis Format and to pilot a few feiseanna to troubleshoot any issues. Suggestions would be: • To get rid of the book • To introduce and automatic scoring system • Black out feiseanna • Rotating panels of judges • Not to have more than one adjudicator form any one school on the same panel. • No numbers to be given out until judges are in a safe place away from internet connection and smart phones. • That the numbers be organised, out of house by an independent, and put in a sealed envelope that must be opened on stage before numbers are handed out. • That judges are given security staff during majors. • That judges must remain professional for the duration of a competition and not to be seen mingling with other teachers or adjudicators. Reason for motion: All the flaws in our current competition system have been exposed publicly and in the media. If we are not seen to be trying to fix some of these flaws, then we will never regain the confidence of the public. Our dance halls will continue to empty out and our livelihoods will deteriorate. Let’s be seen to be proactive in bringing about a fairer sport that can be held in high esteem once again. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Motion 29 Adjudicators should not be invited to World Parties. Reason for Motion : General worldwide invites are going to Adjudicators who will potentially adjudicate the winning dancer in the future. World parties should be for their friends, family and their dancing school only. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Motions Pending/Held These motions have been received but cannot be considered due to either (a) the impact on the Bunreacht and/or (b) they impact on decisions already taken in the last three meetings or (c) Motion 2 passed at the EGM on 10th December or (d) Motion 3 passed at the EGM on 10th December. Para 53.1: “This Constitution may be amended annually at either a Bi-Annual or Annual General meeting of An Coimisiún” Para 20: “Any matter already decided at a meeting may not be discussed again or the decision reversed until three further meetings have elapsed, unless Standing Orders are suspended, and further material information is provided, or there is significant change in circumstance.” Motion 2 – EGM, 10th December 2022 That CLRG source all associated relevant professional expertise required of an independent reputable and impartial change management consultant firm to undertake a strategic review of CLRG, it’s constitution, the entire organisational structure including all share and stakeholders and financial report. Motion 4 – EGM 10th December 2022 We request that the Rules Committee, Coiste Faire and the Udaras jointly review, adjudication and competition rules and regulations, disciplinary procedures, and practices, to address risks, complaint processes and highlight any deficiencies or flaws and make recommendations to ensure the fairness and protection for Irish dance competitors worldwide. Pending Motion 1 – Held due to (a) above That Standing Order for Meetings of An Coimisiún number 20 be amended as highlighted below. “Any matter already decided at a meeting may not be discussed again or the decision reversed until three months have elapsed unless 20% of the CLRG Membership present and voting at a meeting agree to reintroduce the matter. Delete the following part of the existing rule : unless Standing Orders are suspended and further material information is provided or there is significant change in circumstances.” Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Pending Motion 2 – Held due to (a) and (b) above That the structure of An Comisiun le Rinci Gaelacha be adjusted to recognize all persons that pay annual dues to CLRG as MEMBERS and that all persons who have the right to attend CLRG meetings, as per the CLRG Constitution, be redefined as DELEGATES. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Lisa Petri Pending Motion 3A – Held due to (a) above That the only in person CLRG meeting is to the biannual Annual General Meeting (the voting AGM) held in May. Effective Date: Not provided Paula Doyle-Hunkin on behalf of TIDANZ Pending Motion 3B – Held due to (a) above CLRG should only have in-person meetings once a year, the AGM. All other meetings should be held on a fully online platform with voting capacity for all in attendance. Reason for Motion 1. Affordability - we should not be spending money where it is not needed. A fraction of this money can be spent setting up a secure and reliable online platform for meetings and voting, replicating what so many multi-national organisations use these days. 2. It is proven that online meetings are an efficient means of doing business and much less time consuming and time wasting. In an organisation that has representatives all over the world, many of whom have other jobs outside of Irish dancing, an online meeting would improve fairness and transparency when it comes to voting rights and many other aspects of the meeting. Online and in-person meetings both have their advantages and disadvantages, but at a time where we are trying to promote fairness for all and the best interests of our teachers and dancers, We would like to propose one in person AGM a year (coinciding with a major event) and the rest of the CLRG meetings should be held online. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Pending Motion 4 – associated with Pending Motion 3A and 3B That all regional directors/presidents, VPs, representatives are fully funded to this meeting every two years (all listed on the CLRG constitution as having representation for their region). Effective Date: Not provided Paula Doyle-Hunkin on behalf of TIDANZ Pending Motion 5 – Held due to (a) above All meetings going forward have the option of a HYBRID System. If you cannot attend a meeting that is being held in person, you have the option of ‘zooming’ in (or similar) and have the equal right to vote on motions at said meeting. Reason for Motion Often due to distance, family reasons, work reasons, illness, pandemic.....people are not always available to attend every meeting in person. As CLRG ‘members’ (on a committee for CLRG), every effort should be made to ensure that every member can attend, as we did so during the Covid 19 pandemic. A common ground for this would be to hold a hybrid form of meeting, where people can attend, either in person or online, on zoom or a similar programme. This would allow people to attend, to interact and to vote on motions. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Pending Motion 6 – Held due to (a) and (c) above To remove the word “Not” from C14.1.3 – Clause b) The business of the Bi-Annual General Meeting will be to: b) Elect a Council Representative to An Coimisiún. This representative may be any office holder or other member of the Council. Should this representative be unable to attend a meeting of An Coimisiún, he/she may not be substituted with an alternate delegate. Reason for Motion This will restore, to the Regional Councils, their ability to ensure that they are fully represented at “An Coimisiún” Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Pending Motion 7 – Held due to (a), (b) and (c) above That CLRG should employ a CEO, (CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER) and a COO (CHIEF OF OPERATIONS OFFICER), who will take over the work of an Buanchoiste, as is outlined in point 34 of an Bunreacht. The CEO and COO would be employed to manage the overall operations of the company. They would bring with them expertise and managerial qualities that would improve relations, efficiency, standards and effectiveness throughout the Organisation on a day-to-day basis, but would be answerable to the Buanchoiste and it would be the Buanchoiste’s role to ensure that they are complying with the overall objective of the Organisation, which is to promote and to preserve Irish dancing and to promote the use of the Irish Language. Reason for motion: To professionalise the company/organisation. We feel like it has been identified that the Organisation has become too big and too complicated for all those who are volunteers. We absolutely agree that the Buanchoiste, committees and sub-committees would still play a huge part in certain areas, as the management team would have to report to the board, but that the day-to-day management and implementation of procedures should be professionalised, and undertaken by people who are specifically trained in this field. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Pending Motion 8 – Held due to (b) and (c) above That CLRG engage the services of a company who can conduct a Governance Review. Reason for Motion: Corporate Governance is one of the key elements that ensures the success of an organisation. Without it, there is no transparency, no accountability and no security. It improves the overall performance of an Organisation, but it also promotes trust among the shareholders i.e. CLRG Members and Registrants and other stakeholders i.e. Parents, dancers and the public. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Pending Motion 9 – Held due to (b) and (c) above That CLRG would hire a Human Resource Manager. Reason for motion: To take on the role of An Coiste Faire. It became extremely clear that all teachers who had to contact the Coiste Faire with worries or complaints were not happy with how they were treated or how their complaints were dealt with. There was no consistency, no follow ups, no correspondence and in lots of cases complaints were ignored. This is, of course, inevitable if these positions are not filled by people who have been trained to deal with conflicts or grievances and time constraints are inhibiting efficiency. We must take into account also the other side, we are putting volunteers in an extremely difficult position by asking them to take on roles that are extremely challenging and disturbing. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Pending Motion 10 – Held due to (a) and (c) above That the Bunreacht be reviewed, the strengths and weaknesses be identified and amended so that the organisation can be strengthened. Reason for Motion: There is a fear that the Bunreacht is outdated and needs to be amended to encourage the organisation to evolve with the current climate. People want change and so we must go back to the beginning, with the help of an external company, to find out how we can make this Organisation better than it ever was. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Pending Motion 11 – Held due to (a) and (c) above That the minutes of the CLRG meetings be shared with registrants, as well as with members. Reason for Motion: This would be a big step forward in ensuring transparency within our organisation. Registrants are told very little about anything that goes on in CLRG. There was a united voice amongst teachers that they felt like they are always being kept in the dark, that they are the outsiders. This is not conducive to a healthy relationship, it doesn’t instil trust, in fact it does the complete opposite. The fact that minutes are legal documents should be more than enough reason to share them with the registrants. All motions and decisions are already done with by the time minutes are signed off on, so this shouldn’t cause a problem for CLRG, whereby it would make a huge difference to the registrants and would hopefully make them feel more respected. Proposed by Helan Greene on behalf of Munster Teachers Pending Motion 12 – Held due to (b) and (d) above That the Udaras implement in the TCRG and ADCRG Exanm a section highlighting our Ehics Policies and also create a training course to deal with cheating, intimidation and other breaches of the Ethics Policy. Effective Date: Not provided Proposed by Maureen Dillon Yawger & Ann Lavin Cassidy on behalf on Mid-America Region [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: An exceptionally strong deterrent is needed [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:57:02 12/27/22 Tue To prevent unethical judges and teachers from acting unethically. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Agree! I hope they apply it retroactively! | |
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Author: Set the example [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:02:36 12/27/22 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: I thought these were being voted on Jan 19th? | |
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Author: Anyone know results? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:52:39 01/19/23 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I think the costume and wig motions just add clutter. Those should be saved for another meeting. Not nearly as important as other things listed here. | |
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Author: old mom [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:07:20 12/27/22 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Respectfully disagree. If the costume rule is not immediately put in place, nothing changes! | |
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Author: Ban the flames, names, etc. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:04:26 12/27/22 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: I don't think banning wigs changes anything. I happen to like the wigs, makes it much easier. I fail to see what the problem is | |
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Author: with wigs [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:52:01 12/27/22 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Easy is brushing your hair and getting up on stage. Not stressing out and fighting with your kid to the point you need to pay someone to put the dang thing on. | |
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Author: Wigs have gone too far and have gotten too expensive. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:49:16 12/27/22 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: If that's the look you're going for, there's nothing stopping you from doing just that. But the rest of us shouldn't have to give up wigs just because you prefer to brush your kid's hair and send her onstage. I don't find wigs stressful, nor does my kid, and we have never had to fight over wigs. | |
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Author: to each her own [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:59:43 12/27/22 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: If the ban wigs, people will go back to curling hair with rollers. | |
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Author: Levi. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:00:37 12/28/22 Wed You will object at first but then eventually cave because everyone has to look the same just like tanning and white tape. More tears and anger putting those in and taking them out. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I don't miss the days of putting dd's hair up in 90 Soft Spikes! Wigs are so much easier! | |
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Author: old mom [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 10:40:38 12/29/22 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Wigs are so easy- I’m not curling hair for a bad night sleep. If you don’t like them don’t do it but the WIGS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM | |
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Author: APL [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:48:17 01/02/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: wigs are a massive part of the problem - they are not Irish and they | |
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Author: degrade our cultural art form [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:46:35 01/05/23 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Banning wigs will change everything - they have turned ID into a garish | |
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Author: clown show [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:51:35 01/05/23 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Motion one....by one big cheater!! Cost my daughter an Oireachtas. | |
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Author: laughable [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:36:44 12/27/22 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Is that judge a cheat or just clueless? I hear she’s clueless | |
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Author: Horrible AD [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:32:49 12/28/22 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: It's unclear. Same for her husband. At Phoenix and at MARO that year, his marks were so far off that it would have been laughable if he wasn't costing deserving kids their placements | |
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Author: A big problem either way [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:30:19 12/31/22 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Dislike Midamerica school | |
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Author: Openly dislike [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:13:41 12/28/22 Wed Both JM and PJ M have made their extreme dislike of a certain Midamerica school well known. They should not be able to judge in Midamerica. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Is it because the school is known to cheat? | |
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Author: More information please [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:54:18 12/29/22 Thu What school are you writing about? Academy? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Yes…. More inside | |
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Author: Columbus Dancer [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:11:53 12/31/22 Sat I do not know the exact reason and really can only speculate but if you look at past results, both her husband and her tend to score the academy dancers much lower, even their 7X WC. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Love to know [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:06:27 12/27/22 Tue When will know if this will be implemented? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: These are motions that are apparently up for vote at a January meeting. They haven't passed, and I can't imagine in an organization this crooked that they ever will. | |
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Author: realist [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:53:50 12/27/22 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Good job whoever posted this here. I saw this same post on the main Voy board earlier today and it was deleted very quickly. I don't understand why a mod would object to this post. | |
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Author: do you? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:50:39 12/27/22 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Thank you to the mod for keeping this up | |
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Author: we will keep comments civil [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:56:08 12/27/22 Tue Appreciate mod allowing this discussion- it's being shut down on other boards. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: I applaud the NE moderator in this and many other things. As long as you don't mention children's names, they generally allow the post to stay up. Sometimes that means cringy things are up for a while (see Clann LIr posts), but in matters like this, we all benefit. | |
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Author: -- [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:51:47 12/27/22 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: To be fair to the moderator, Anthony posted that Clann Lir post himself so he must have wanted it to be here. | |
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Author: reader [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:27:18 12/28/22 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Can we talk about Motion 16A:(Inside) | |
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Author: Wouldn't that be amazing? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:30:49 12/27/22 Tue "Motion 16A That a new point system be introduced for all CLRG competitions awarding 100 points for 1st place, 85 points for 2nd place(15 point differential), 75 points for 3rd place (10 point differential), 70 points for 4th place (5 point differential), 65 points for 5th place (5 point differential), 61 points for 6th place (4 point differential), 57 points for 7th place (4 point differential), 53 points for 8th place (4 point differential), 50 points for 9th place (3 point differential), 47 points for 10th place (3 point differential), 44 points for 11th place (3 point differential), 41 points for 12th place (3 point differential), etc" [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Also interesting: Motion 12 (see inside): Lisa Petri motioning that Gavin not be allowed to adjudicate majors. | |
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Author: Definitely trying to salvage the organization [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:33:17 12/27/22 Tue That Adjudicators defined as having a Conflict of Interest arising from their work providing services to the CLRG, its affiliated bodies, and/or through commerce directly with CLRG dancers and families may not adjudicate at any qualifying events, Major Championships (as defined by CLRG), All Ireland Championships or World Championships. Conflict of Interest would need to be included here but examples would be dress makers, wig and makeup vendors, services for staging, tabulation, AV, social media etc. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Great ideas! I am surprised they did not include banning tanning as well? You should share this on all boards ASAP! | |
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Author: . [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:12:03 12/28/22 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Someone posted it on the main Voy board before they posted it here, but the mod there took it down. | |
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Author: I don't know why [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:00:01 12/28/22 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Twice | |
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Author: (NT) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:42:51 12/28/22 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Yes! I saw it posted there again this afternoon but tonight it's gone again. Why would a mod have a problen with this post? | |
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Author: wondering [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:47:04 12/28/22 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: It should have been posted as a first reply. It’s too long for a main thread. | |
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Author: Important but shouldn’t overtake the board [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:45:48 12/29/22 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I feel confident that this is NOT the reason it's been deleted twice from the main board. It's easy for moderators to re-post something that is important but long in order to put the bulk of the content inside a first reply. | |
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Author: mod of another regional Voy board [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:51:09 12/29/22 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Why is Lisa Petri not making motions on behalf of certain regions like the other teachers? | |
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Author: ? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:51:48 12/28/22 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Because she's the president of the national organization, IDTANA. | |
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Author: makes sense to me [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:15:13 12/28/22 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I really like Motion 10. This is a game changer for many teachers with children that dance. | |
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Author: Mom [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:15:56 12/28/22 Wed Motion 10 Adjudicators defined as directly related to a particular active competitive dancer may not adjudicate at any qualifying events, Major Championships (as defined by CLRG), All Ireland Championships or World Championships for the duration of the dancer's active competitive career. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Where is this stated? | |
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Author: Did I miss it? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:51:47 12/29/22 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I doubt they will discuss more than one or two of the motions at the meeting; nothing changes, nothing gets accomplished | |
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Author: feel like we have to grin and bear it [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:30:30 12/28/22 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Where did this come from? Is it legitimate? | |
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Author: When is the vote? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:41:51 12/28/22 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: It would be nice if they included dancers and parents in their discussions of how to make things better. | |
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Author: We need transparency and a voice. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:39:51 12/28/22 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: I understand where you're coming from but | |
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Author: I'm 100% ok without a vote as a parent [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 10:30:00 12/28/22 Wed If ALL of the teachers/adjudicators that want to vote are allowed to have a vote instead of limiting it to such a small percentage of TCs/ADCRGs. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: So basically the motion 1 is all the cheaters are be be banished from clrg? | |
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Author: Confused [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 03:40:49 12/29/22 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Some of the language is too weak. A motion to do something with the reason being “making us stronger than ever” isn’t convincing. | |
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Author: Every motion needs to have measurables [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:50:53 12/29/22 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: But if you get thrown out of CLRG can you still be a workshop teacher for CLRG schools? | |
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Author: Close the loopholes [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:57:56 12/29/22 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Will these motions be RETROACTIVE or will this just be moving forward? | |
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Author: Will the current cheaters be grandfathered in under the old rules? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:05:46 12/29/22 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: I wonder what the real number is | |
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Author: Is it possible... [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 10:39:27 12/29/22 Thu Is it possible That there are so many compromised TCs and ADCRGs that CLRG literally could not function if they were all kicked out? Don't have any idea what the answer is, but it sure seems like a possibility, as they quadrupled their number (12 to 44) in a matter of months- who is to say the current 44 won't serve up their colleagues on a platter under the "misery loves company" adage. Does anyone who truly knows whats going on in terms of percentage of CLRG ADs and TCs that could be compromised in this scandal? I 100% think banning for life is the right move, but it may be impossible to keep the org running if there are too many players. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Bad math- not quadrupled. Whoops. | |
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Author: AP [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 10:41:03 12/29/22 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Clarifying questions suspensions and WQ and NQ spots | |
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Author: Siobhan S [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:05:19 12/29/22 Thu When suspensions are discussed nobody has brought up what will happen to the students of suspended teachers? Has anyone heard what will happen to their ability to compete? And I wish that more people were pushing to have more WQ and NQ spots per age group and region added. If cheating took away spots from dancers, shouldn’t they be adding more per age group to the kids that missed but probably should actually have qualified if favors hadn’t been paid? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: So many of those dancers would be at the top getting those spots anyway | |
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Author: . [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:51:46 12/29/22 Thu Order might be different but can you prove that there was cheating this year in any specific age group at the O? Doubt that particular text exists. nationals maybe if someone had turned it in. Whose spot are you passing down? Any specific dancer you feel should be pulled and you have proof? I’m not asking for names but unless it’s a specific spot there is nothing to pass down or add. Don’t see that they should just add spots in case there was cheating. Each region tried to do more so there would not be cheating this year, maybe people felt the results would be vastly different and in most cases they were not. As for the dancers of the cheating tc or ad I don’t think they should be punished, they are children. Not sure how it will be dealt with if a TC can no longer teach if they were the only TC at the school, I’m sure there will be a way for dancers to continue doing what they enjoy. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I also think they should look at making qualifying for worlds and nationals more fair across all regions and genders. | |
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Author: Make it fair for all! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:41:08 12/30/22 Fri Just do a straight percentage, not top 10 plus. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: I agree with you. Though I think fixing the cheating issues should be the top priority, and other things like this can come after. But I do think top 10% would be a good way to do it. | |
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Author: me [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:58:27 12/30/22 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Think about smaller regions. Comps with 10 dancers would qualify one person. So you still need a minimum - and then it's "not fair". | |
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Author: tough call [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:50:49 12/30/22 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: I think smaller regions should just qualify one person. That would be fair in my mind. | |
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Author: me [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:17:53 12/31/22 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
[> Subject:  Will these regulations be implemented at the weekly feisanna or are they just for majors? If they are going to be implemented that will drive the cost up for any of the small feisanna!
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Author: FEIS TIME getting close (confused) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:52:59 01/02/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: How so? How will it drive the cost up for feisanna? | |
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Author: Please explain [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:34:24 01/09/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Agree especially with suggestions pertaining to local feis namely that if you are a feis organizer adjudicators are essentially assigned to you, you don't get to choose your friends who will place your school's dancers. | |
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Author: Great idea [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:49:23 02/13/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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