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Date Posted: 04:25:20 06/08/11 Wed
Author: Jam
Subject: This is difficult. One thing is for sure: really well done plastic surgery you wonīt recognize as such. (Unless you have a before and after picture). Thereīs nothing beautiful about people where you see theyīve been surgically altered from 100m away. Botox is great if you have a stiff neck, but for minor wrinkles? A face is so much more expressive when it actually moves. Gastric bypass is not plastic surgery. Itīs a last ditch effort for obese people who are unable to lose weight otherwise, to help with all the side effects of obesity. Inside...
In reply to: TF 's message, "Plastic surgery" on 20:14:53 06/07/11 Tue

Thereīs a lot to be said for reconstructive surgery (which it really is if you break your nose and it comes out crooked), and I understand people undergoing say, tummy tucks after losing a lot of weight or after several children. There is just no other way to get all that excess skin to go away. Or women having breast reduction surgery to alleviate back pain from all that weight in front. I have considered liposuction on my thighs, because I have a lot of built in fat right there that doesnīt respond to excercise at all. It makes it nearly impossible to find pants that fit. (I have a really slim waist to go along with the big thighs). Or blouses for that matter. Or dresses (they just donīt come in a two-three size difference between upper and lower half). I hate shopping for clothes , well, other than socks. So I understand people wanting to have some part of their body made just a little bit better. It really is hard to draw the line, though. This delusion about everyone having to be perfect looking? What IS perfect? The 18year old with breast implants because she considered her B cup too small? Surely not. Itīs easy to say, this is ok and this is not, at each end of the spectrum. I donīt agree with the youth obsession. The old wrinkly lady I saw the other day was so much more beautiful than the equally old botox victim with here face plastered with makeup on tv. But in the middle? I really donīt know where exactly to draw the line. What I do find, is that oftentimes people seem to take it all too easy. Oh, I can have liposuction, so I donīt need to exercise. Oh, I can have gastric bypass surgery if I get too obese, so I donīt need to take care of my eating habits and exercise. While surgery can help if all else fails, it is still risky and should only be considered if all other avenues have been explored.

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[> [> On the PS side. I'm not opposed to it as such, I just think you can have too much of a good thing. I also agree about taking GS out of the equation, but then do we put laser/lasic surgery in. Some people look stunning with glasses but feel miserable, should they be made to wear them anyway? On the makeup question above, it's interesting you should bring that up. We had a radio program last night asking if 9 year olds should be allowed to wear makeup. -- Katiegirl, 13:06:58 06/08/11 Wed [1]

I have an 11 and 7 year old, the only time they EVER wear makeup is when they are performing on stage - other than that, it is totally off limits except for some lip balm.

Back to the plastic surgery. I am sure we all have things we would like to change (mine would be to remove the crease from my upper eye lids), but just because I think that would make me more confident doesn't mean that I would actually do it. I see people having plastic surgery as a measure to help themselves feel good. I agree that unless you do the psychological stuff first it isn't going to help though.

As for the the thigh issue, I have a friend who has the same problem, drives her nuts - she has a size 10(NZ) which I think is 2 in America waist and size 14(NZ) thighs. She can't find anything that will fit her waist and her legs at the same time. She is also a size 10(NZ) in her upper body. So I can understand your frustrations.


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[> [> [> Maybe your friend and I should start a business....there has got to be a market for oddly shaped pants, we canīt be the only ones? Another things that always bugs me: why do clothing companies think if youīve got a big butt, youīve also got short legs????? Back to PS: I wouldnīt put lasic surgery in there, either, because it corrects a disability. Poor eyesight may not be a major one, but still is. Wearing glasses is not so much about cosmetics, but itīs getting in the way of sports (especially those that involve balls) and so on. -- Jam, 15:13:03 06/08/11 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> I have the same problem with the waist/hip ratio. My waist has remained small through the years, yet I seem to have "spreading six" disease, i.e. my butt has gotten bigger, along with my hips, and lower gut. I have at least a12 inch difference between my waist and hips, which makes it very hard to find pants, esp jeans. I have given up and just wear elastic waist pants and jeans. If you wear your shirt/blouse out, which is the style anyway, no one knows there's elastic under there! LOL -- JAG Junkie (Ronda)--late to the discussion, as usual, 13:36:50 06/11/11 Sat [1]


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