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Date Posted: 09:36:56 06/08/11 Wed
Author: The Chief
Subject: I agree with Jam in taking Gastric Bypass out of the equation. It *is* elective surgery for most, but it is more medical than cosmetic. It has nice cosmetic effects (weight loss), but health is the #1 reason for it. So, for purely cosmetic/visual reasons, if you are unhappy with your body parts, you need to figure out why. You need to do the psychological work before you do the physiological work.
In reply to: TF 's message, "Plastic surgery" on 20:14:53 06/07/11 Tue

In a general sense, True Beauty really does come from within - from a happy, joyful, peaceful heart that is content with what he/she has and spreads that joy to others. When asked what her secret to looking so beautiful after 40, she said, "The best beauty treatment is being in love." Look at her now - blissfully married, raising two daughters out of that marriage, living a quiet peaceful life in central Tennessee... She's more gorgeous now than she EVER was in her 20s, because she's positively GLOWING from the INSIDE.

And I've seen other women who started out with less physical beauty than Nicole look just as gorgeous because of their happy, contented lives.

The following statements are not for everyone because they are religious in nature....
If you believe that you were created by God, and if you believe God makes no mistakes, then you have to ask yourself why you are unhappy with what God created, and what HE might have to say about it.

God also says our bodies are "temples" (i.e. because his Spirit dwells within those who believe), and we are to take care of them with that in mind. Be good stewards of what He's given us. If you're doing that, then what is the motivation for altering that "temple". The Lipo example is perfect here - the woman wasn't taking care of herself, didn't like the results (duh) and tried to deal with it in her own way. It didn't work because she continued to not take care of herself.

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[> [> I agree that true beauty comes from within however, inside... -- Jam, 10:45:17 06/08/11 Wed [1]

in order to shine, you need to be really content with yourself, and happy. Thatīs fairly easy if youīre popular, and you make friends easily, you have good self esteem, and a big social support system. But unfortunately, thatīs not always the case. You need to feel beautiful in order to be recognized as such - what if you canīt?
I also agree you should take care of yourself as good as possible and not take the easy way out by using surgery- because it wonīt work and itīs really not easy. And the psychological issue should be adressed more. But by doing that, surgery is another tool - not to reach perfection, but to remove an obstacle to feeling good in your own skin.
It goes without saying that this wonīt improve anything if you donīt keep working at taking care of yourself, in all areas.
I would give about anything to one day just go into a store, find clothes that fit (and actually have a choice of what looks good), and feel really beautiful. Just once. Btw, Iīm not obese. Iīm not even overweight anymore (yay!). Just badly proportioned. So I can understand the wish for plastic surgery.
What I wonder, in this context: Chief, I read here youīre opposed to PS and your religious views are at least part of the reason. How does make up and, say, dying your hair fall into that? Is it ok because itīs just dressing on the outside, or is it something to avoid? Iīm interested since weīre talking about where to draw the line, here?


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[> [> [> Actually, Jam... -- The Chief, 14:22:05 06/08/11 Wed [1]

I'm not strictly opposed to it and never said I was. TF asked for discussion and I offered some from my perspective, but that doesn't mean that's the entire perspective.

There are extremes to everything. I've seen celebrities who have gone way beyond what they needed and turned out looking horrible. And I've seen celebs do things like have dental veneers and it really made great sense. I've seen folks who've had really beaky noses reduced and it looks much nicer.

What I was trying to point out was that there's always a psychological element to it if it's not for health reasons. If you're not comfortable with yourself, search your heart, talk with trusted advisers, see if you can find a way to "love" what you've got first, and THEN when you can separate the insecure emotions from it and decide that it still needs to be done, then fine.

I won't say someone shouldn't do it, unless it was going to be a negative health issue if you do do it. (like Michael Jackson) It's a personal decision. If a nicer nose or less cellulite or smoother forehead makes you feel better about yourself so you can get on with your life, great!


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[> [> [> [> Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying. Thatīs actually very close to my opinion, Iīm just having difficulties expressing my thoughts... -- Jam, 15:04:32 06/08/11 Wed [1]


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[> [> Unfortunately many insurance companies see Gastric Bypass as plastic surgery and lists it as such. That is why I put it in this catagory. I personally dont see it as such but many in the medical realm do. -- TF, 15:44:48 06/08/11 Wed [1]


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