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Date Posted: 12:02:24 06/10/11 Fri
Author: mkim
Subject: Cece, we're on the same page about botox and PS, absolutely. About GS, I hear you and definitely the best way to lose weight is through proper diet and exercise, but I think there are some exceptions....
In reply to: Cece 's message, "This issue is a huge soap box opportunity for me so I'll try to restrain myself. (Inside.)" on 11:48:41 06/09/11 Thu

First, let me say that self discipline, hard work and a determination to change your lifestyle is the best way to lose weight. I know, that you know that because you live it, Cece and I'm proud of you. You truly look great and even though youre busy as a bee, all that good energy just rolls off of you. (grin)

But I have to say...
when a person has made the huge mistake of allowing themselves to get 100 to 200 pounds over weight, with the complications that happen as a result, respiratory, circulation, even heart problems, the diet part of the lifestyle change may be doable, but without exercise(which most of these people cant do)substantial weight loss is almost impossible, the person eventually gets discouraged, then depressed and then the cycle, for many, starts all over again. The problem is compounded.

I understand that exercise to begin with, can be painful, but I'm not talking about normal aches and pains that come as a result of a body too long sedantary, I'm talking about a body that has gone through the wear and tear of carrying around a body too heavy for its frame(for decades in some cases)
The GB surgery allows for a more rapid weight loss at the beginning so that the stress on the heart, lungs and joints is greatly diminished and the person can begin an exercise program and truly begin to change the lifestyle that got them there in the first place.

GB like PS can be done really frivolously,(i.e. weight loss of 50-60 lbs) which is stupid and not what the surgery was originally meant for.

The program my family member went through required her to lose a small amount of weight to begin with, prior to surgery, to do some mild exercise to improve her pulmonary function. She had a very small frame and was nearly 200 lbs overweight. The thing was, she was working full time, while dealing with her weight issues, so doing that was difficult, but it got her into the program.

Initial weight loss was rapid, but it does slow down and will not continue at all, if you are not active, but she seized the opportunity and I cant tell you how her life has changed. She walked with a cane when she started all this, needless to say, she doesnt need it anymore. She is the kind of person the programs were meant to help. Its not about getting a bikini body, its about saving your life and elevating the quality of that life.

She'd tell you, yes, it was foolish to let her weight get this out of control, that her lifestyle compounded her problem until it nearly killed her.(I dont think she'd be alive today without that surgery and thats the truth.)
It did take years to get where she was, decades actually, but with her health issues, she didnt have years, to take the weight off.

I think GB should be a last resort, definitely, and its not for people who dont understand what got them where they are and there is enough reality TV out there, about obesity to show that some people, no matter how heavy they are, dont get why they are, where they are.(I reread this, it looks funny but I dont know how else to say it. lol)

Basicly...I'm falling back on my "Its an individual thing." lol.

The sad thing with GB is, you dont really know about the determination of the individual to take those changes all the way, until after the surgery.

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[> [> [> Yes, I was being a hardass on the GP, and I realise that there are many people for whom it is a last resort. But as the figures show that a very large percentage of people with large weight losses, regardless of their method, tend to put the weight back on again, I think surgery has to be viewed from every possible angle, after serious attempts at diet and excercise have been eliminated. It really shouldn't ever be about convenience. (inside) -- Cece, 13:12:05 06/10/11 Fri [1]

I'm not being overly dramatic when I say that death is permanently inconvenient. If your weight has reached a dangerous health risk, then you can't put your job first. Morbid obesity is as much an illness as any other serious, life threatening illness, and deserves the same medical, phycological, and physical attention and care. If all the medical wisdom suggests that GP is the only reasonable alternative, then who am I to disagree?


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[> [> [> [> Its true, I've seen Gastric ByPass fail, miserably. It is as I said, its hard to tell who will suceed and who will fail until after the surgery. -- mkim, 09:25:50 06/13/11 Mon [1]


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