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Date Posted: 11:48:41 06/09/11 Thu
Author: Cece
Subject: This issue is a huge soap box opportunity for me so I'll try to restrain myself. (Inside.)
In reply to: TF 's message, "Plastic surgery" on 20:14:53 06/07/11 Tue

I hate, with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns, the "Hollywood" PS look. It makes me angry to see so many men and women with this horrifying idea of youth and beauty, and frankly, you can always tell. That said, I am not against PS for corrective purposes,or mild changes to reduce under-eye bags, or broken noses, etc. PS is a godsend for those whose faces are disfigured either through accident or birth.

I can't understand why women would augment their breasts to the size of cannon balls, particularly if they live in colder climates, as huge breasts under winter clothing is not flattering. More importantly, breasts are part of a woman's erogenous zones, and I can't understand giving up that particular pleasure for huge, fake implants. AND even more important, I would never mess with my breasts for appearances, when the very real threat of breast cancer is there. However, breast reconstructive surgery after a mastectomy is wonderful. It gives a woman back her feelings of self, and is so much better than having to wear a very awkward breast prosthesis.

Gastric bypass...I'm totally against it unless the person is unable to move and needs a heavy duty truck to transport them. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm referring to the, at one time, biggest man in the world (1000lbs plus.) He lost most of his weight through diet though.

It takes years to become morbidly obese, and it takes years and hard work to lose the weight. That long time is when you learn how to live a different lifestyle. Like Biggest Loser or not, they have tried to prove that large amounts of weight can be lost with diet and exercise alone, but it takes a full term commitment and not everyone has the chance to do it. But I'm not convinced that many people want bypass so they can bypass the work needed to lose the weight more naturally.

Ultimately, surgury of any kind can save our lives. But all surgery comes with huge risks. My niece, Elizabeth, had necessary surgery for uterine cancer. The operation was a success, but she nearly died of a raging staff infection, and was in an induced coma for two weeks. That was 2002. In April of this year, Elizabeth had a triple transplant (pancreas, and two kidneys), all destroyed due to the complications of type 1 diabetes. Again the operation was a success, but Lizzy died of post operative respertory complications.

Yesterday, my brother had to have life saving surgery for a hiatus hernia that sent his stomach into his chest. It was do or die. I believe he is doing well, and I thank goodness the surgery was there or he would have died. So it really upsets me when people take surgery as if it's no big thing, and have plastic surgeon on retainer so to speak. Many of these PS nut jobs, with their botox, and collegen, no longer look that human to me. Sadly, most of them were good looking to begin with...sigh.

Lastly, make up on little girls...NO WAY, unless they are just playing around. Makeup accentuates our sexuality, and I am against the early sexulization of children. Period.

If it's not necessary, be very careful what you put your body through. With all the plastic surgery in the world, you are still going to age.

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[> [> This is you restraining yourself? LOL. Youīre right, though. This youth obsession is appalling. I once read an interview with a plastic surgeon based in LA. There are different forms of breast implants (round and more shaped like a pear, to give it a more natural look). He said, most of his customers wanted the round implants -they wanted them to look fake. WTH?????? As for the gastric bypass, Iīve seen some great successes with it, so Iīm more positive towards this. Inside... -- Jam, 16:52:59 06/09/11 Thu [1]

Once people reach a certain weight (and youīre right, they should have done something about it way before that point), itīs extremely hard to lose weight, the metabolism is way down, exercise is nearly impossible because all that weight puts such a huge strain on the body. Yet, for these people, it is vital to lose that weight and lose it fast. So yes, I thing gastric bypass is a viable option in these cases. Itīs still a huge risk - putting a body already that strained under general anaesthesia has many risks. But it might just be the lesser of two evils. And they still need to learn and change a lot about their lifestyle. They canīt go on as they did before. Iīve had a coworker who was that huge, and, with the help of GB surgery, lost that weight. He used to drink more coke in a day than I ever could in week (and thatīs saying something, I love coke, I can drink a lot of it) and he carried around this big bucket (a gallon or even more) that used to be his daily dose of coke. He now only drinks water or unsweetened tea, but he carried around that bucket to remind himself and oftentimes obese patients, about those much needed changes.
What I find appaling is the way gastric bypass is advertised as if it was just some sort of fasionable diet. Lose weight without any effort, get the lab band! Urgh, that makes me shudder. And it discredits the entire procedure and makes it harder for those who really would benefit from it to get access to it.


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[> [> [> Maybe the girls who wanted their new boobs to look fake want to show of the fact that the did it, had the $$ for it, etc. -- The Chief - It's not about natural anymore, 22:42:30 06/09/11 Thu [1]


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[> [> Cece, we're on the same page about botox and PS, absolutely. About GS, I hear you and definitely the best way to lose weight is through proper diet and exercise, but I think there are some exceptions.... -- mkim, 12:02:24 06/10/11 Fri [1]

First, let me say that self discipline, hard work and a determination to change your lifestyle is the best way to lose weight. I know, that you know that because you live it, Cece and I'm proud of you. You truly look great and even though youre busy as a bee, all that good energy just rolls off of you. (grin)

But I have to say...
when a person has made the huge mistake of allowing themselves to get 100 to 200 pounds over weight, with the complications that happen as a result, respiratory, circulation, even heart problems, the diet part of the lifestyle change may be doable, but without exercise(which most of these people cant do)substantial weight loss is almost impossible, the person eventually gets discouraged, then depressed and then the cycle, for many, starts all over again. The problem is compounded.

I understand that exercise to begin with, can be painful, but I'm not talking about normal aches and pains that come as a result of a body too long sedantary, I'm talking about a body that has gone through the wear and tear of carrying around a body too heavy for its frame(for decades in some cases)
The GB surgery allows for a more rapid weight loss at the beginning so that the stress on the heart, lungs and joints is greatly diminished and the person can begin an exercise program and truly begin to change the lifestyle that got them there in the first place.

GB like PS can be done really frivolously,(i.e. weight loss of 50-60 lbs) which is stupid and not what the surgery was originally meant for.

The program my family member went through required her to lose a small amount of weight to begin with, prior to surgery, to do some mild exercise to improve her pulmonary function. She had a very small frame and was nearly 200 lbs overweight. The thing was, she was working full time, while dealing with her weight issues, so doing that was difficult, but it got her into the program.

Initial weight loss was rapid, but it does slow down and will not continue at all, if you are not active, but she seized the opportunity and I cant tell you how her life has changed. She walked with a cane when she started all this, needless to say, she doesnt need it anymore. She is the kind of person the programs were meant to help. Its not about getting a bikini body, its about saving your life and elevating the quality of that life.

She'd tell you, yes, it was foolish to let her weight get this out of control, that her lifestyle compounded her problem until it nearly killed her.(I dont think she'd be alive today without that surgery and thats the truth.)
It did take years to get where she was, decades actually, but with her health issues, she didnt have years, to take the weight off.

I think GB should be a last resort, definitely, and its not for people who dont understand what got them where they are and there is enough reality TV out there, about obesity to show that some people, no matter how heavy they are, dont get why they are, where they are.(I reread this, it looks funny but I dont know how else to say it. lol)

Basicly...I'm falling back on my "Its an individual thing." lol.

The sad thing with GB is, you dont really know about the determination of the individual to take those changes all the way, until after the surgery.


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[> [> [> Yes, I was being a hardass on the GP, and I realise that there are many people for whom it is a last resort. But as the figures show that a very large percentage of people with large weight losses, regardless of their method, tend to put the weight back on again, I think surgery has to be viewed from every possible angle, after serious attempts at diet and excercise have been eliminated. It really shouldn't ever be about convenience. (inside) -- Cece, 13:12:05 06/10/11 Fri [1]

I'm not being overly dramatic when I say that death is permanently inconvenient. If your weight has reached a dangerous health risk, then you can't put your job first. Morbid obesity is as much an illness as any other serious, life threatening illness, and deserves the same medical, phycological, and physical attention and care. If all the medical wisdom suggests that GP is the only reasonable alternative, then who am I to disagree?


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[> [> [> [> Its true, I've seen Gastric ByPass fail, miserably. It is as I said, its hard to tell who will suceed and who will fail until after the surgery. -- mkim, 09:25:50 06/13/11 Mon [1]


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[> [> I worked with a woman in the medical field who had the GP surgery. She lost a ton of weight but put it and more back on. It takes a lot ofdicscipline after this kind of surgery or you just stretch the stomach right back out again. IMO her insurance company should ask for their money back cause now they are paying for all of her medical issues caused by her obesity again. -- TF, 13:40:56 06/11/11 Sat [1]


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[> [> [> GB surgery. -- TF, 13:41:59 06/11/11 Sat [1]


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[> [> [> the part I don't get is the reason you lose weight after surgery is because you eat LESS and more frequently - So - do that without the surgery and you'll lose the same amount of weight - -- chris k, 20:04:49 06/11/11 Sat [1]


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[> [> [> [> Itīs the brain. Essentially, the stomach signals the brain when itīs full, so youīre not hungry anymore. That signal doesnīt get there, or too late, when the stomach is all stretched out. So a smaller stomach, that doesnīt hold so much food, will leave you less hungry much earlier. Of course (unfortunately for those that do not change their eating habits permanently) you can "train" it again to hold more food... -- Jam, 03:51:25 06/12/11 Sun [1]


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