No one's despairing, everyone's just hoping we move to scholarship 1-AA football. Let's wait until the internal study is completed in Oct., 2005. Then we'll see what happens. Do you think Fr. McShane would say anything now to upset the PL? Think again. -- FORDHAM RAMS FOOTBALL FORUM

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Subject: No one's despairing, everyone's just hoping we move to scholarship 1-AA football. Let's wait until the internal study is completed in Oct., 2005. Then we'll see what happens. Do you think Fr. McShane would say anything now to upset the PL? Think again.

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Date Posted: 18:08:12 12/07/04 Tue
In reply to: Ramadama 's message, "Not to dispare. Fordham will remain a University where there are athletes in "student athlete". President continues to say when asked that changing the status of football is not in his plans." on 16:01:49 12/07/04 Tue

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No, but he could say something like, "we'll review the situation". He has no reason to be overly solicitous to the PL. I'll be shocked if we go anywhere, especially before we have basketball squared away. (NT) Ramadama 20:26:42 12/07/04 Tue

He's a politician, among other things. He would not say "we'll review things" before we actually "review things". (NT) -- Rambacker, 23:03:42 12/07/04 Tue

According to above schedule, we're tied into PL at least though '07. The schedule is actually weaker. Doesn't look like we're going anywhere soon. Even i don't want to see more of Albany and Marist. (NT) -- Ramadama, 16:02:14 12/08/04 Wed

We'll see. Let me just say this: alums can make a huge difference here, and hopefully they will. Many are already making their opinions known with the Board and Fr. McShane. (NT) -- Rambacker, 21:02:32 12/09/04 Thu

Opinions are great, checks attached to the letters will get them read. Only fold with real juice and cash to pack it up will change this. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 08:07:02 12/11/04 Sat

Substantial change has happened before at Fordham, and can happen again. Obviously money talks, but first the Board and President need to know our position on this. That's the first step. Change can happen, but it's up to us. That's the only way things happen at Fordham, and we need to get moving now to make it happen. (NT) -- Rambacker, 09:04:57 12/11/04 Sat

Change happens when the money men speak. As Fr. Molloy at Notre Dame. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 11:08:08 12/11/04 Sat

Money men need to be gathered and to start speaking. How do you think we upgraded football? (NT) -- Rambacker, 12:23:24 12/11/04 Sat

That's revisionist. There are two men are responsible for elevating the program. There was no commitment for the first 3 coaches who were here. The first one was fired and the 2nd and 3rd guys ran out of here. The only reason we moved up was because we had to. If the NCAA hadn't mandated we move up, we'd still be playing Iona and pace. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 13:23:37 12/11/04 Sat

You get an "F" on your Fordham Football history test. Elevating the football program was made possible by the Visiting Committee for Athletics(and Bill Walsh), a group of very substantial donors($25,000 or more each per year) that worked with(and on) the Board and Fr. O'Hare to make the move to 1-AA possible. We are in the process of gathering a similar funding scenario for basketball. My prediction: by 2007 we have a winning basketball program that plays in the NCAA Tournament and a scholarship 1-AA football program. (NT) -- Rambacker, 21:15:17 12/11/04 Sat

Sorry. Wrong "facts". The NCAA was preparing to mandate that schools with D-1 basketball had to get out of D-III football. The visiting committee provided support true, but had nothing to do with our making the move. I was there. Your predictions may be true. Doesn't change the fact without a gigantic facilities investment, we'll be just another mid-major hoping to get lucky every ten years or so. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 09:55:46 12/12/04 Sun

Incorrect. As a matter of fact, not even close. Two people were not responsible for our move up in football. There were a number of people that made it happen. And if you were there and think that the Visiting Committee had nothing to do with making the move, you were on the outside looking in and missed how it went down. (NT) -- Rambacker, 10:05:52 12/12/04 Sun

So your saying that the NCAA didn't mandate this? Wow. I guess I was at a different NCAA convention. I never said the visiting committee didn't supported. I am saying they didn't drive it and if there had been the kind of support other schools get, it wouldn't have taken over ten years and 4 coaches before we reached respectibility. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 12:06:11 12/12/04 Sun

You made two contradicting statements. One was that two people were responsible for our move up, and the other was that the move was mandated. We could have stayed in Div. 3, but the Visiting Committee made it possible to move to 1-AA. Not two people. What's important now is that we're in the wrong conference. Fordham needs full scholarships at the 1-AA level to be consistently successful. The future will be very interesting. Stay tuned when new athletic management takes over. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:41:47 12/12/04 Sun

Reading is fundemental! I said two men were primarily responsible for elevating the program, as in building support so we weren't doing this with a D-III budget. Staying D-III was not an option unless we were moving the entire program down to D-III. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 16:51:09 12/13/04 Mon

Proper english is fundamental. By the way, fundamental is not spelled fundemantal. If that's what you meant, it was not at all clear from your statement. Div. 3 was an options at all times. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:33:15 12/13/04 Mon

You got me! No, moving the entire program to DIII was never an option. That would have required a decision and commitment to something. Not the Fordham style in athletics. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 08:18:31 12/14/04 Tue

You might be right on that one. (NT) -- Rambacker, 09:17:28 12/14/04 Tue