full ride vs need based aid. If a student athlete had to choose between Villanova, Richmond, W and M and FU... they would rarely go to Fordham... sure FU is a good school and are other factors. Realistically if your child had a full scholly offer to one of these schools or had to pay 10K..15K..25K.. or whatever at FU.. as a parent or a student athlete even consider FU..probably not.. A-10 now.. enough of this need based Aid crap.. It is reverse discrimination as well..know a few parents who let their kids go elsewhere (to good schools) on full athletic ride rather than pay FU.. -- FORDHAM RAMS FOOTBALL FORUM

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Subject: full ride vs need based aid. If a student athlete had to choose between Villanova, Richmond, W and M and FU... they would rarely go to Fordham... sure FU is a good school and are other factors. Realistically if your child had a full scholly offer to one of these schools or had to pay 10K..15K..25K.. or whatever at FU.. as a parent or a student athlete even consider FU..probably not.. A-10 now.. enough of this need based Aid crap.. It is reverse discrimination as well..know a few parents who let their kids go elsewhere (to good schools) on full athletic ride rather than pay FU..

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Date Posted: 21:08:08 11/30/04 Tue
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Not only that, I get the feeling that the PL's rule against athletic scholarships for football is a Title IX dodge, at least for at least some of the member schools. By running football aid through the financial aid department, you can pass the Title IX implications of that aid off through the student body as a whole, without concentrating the impact in the athletic department. The PL allows scholarships in other sports. Why not football? (NT) JoltinJoe 21:41:55 11/30/04 Tue

You know it is quite humorous if you think about it. In an effort to skirt a gender equality measure, we are also diminishing opportunities for males from affluent families. We should get special Title IX credit for that one b/c although we are not helping women, we are taking opportunities away from some men and therefore evening the field in a backwards sort of way. (NT) -- J�Dete93, 09:31:00 12/01/04 Wed

JoDete, are you sure you are not a lawyer? (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 14:53:45 12/01/04 Wed

No I am not, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. (NT) -- J�Dete93, 15:51:13 12/01/04 Wed

That's a bit of a stretch, no? We're hardly denying them the opportunity to come to Fordham. We're denying them a free education, possibly. If you were expanding that argument, you are saying that all football playing schools that don't offer scholarships are denying students from high income families the opportunity to play. I have a feeling Penn and Harvard would argue that. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 09:21:22 12/02/04 Thu

Hey coach, it was said in jest. (NT) -- J�Dete93, 11:26:15 12/02/04 Thu

You mean you really didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express? (NT) -- An Old Coach, 18:20:28 12/02/04 Thu

Bottom Line is Fordham should move to scholarship football.. FU spends similar to A-10 schools (when you apply fin. aid)... so why not field a better team , receive better exposure and get a chance to play a 1A each year... Fin. Aid packages makes it more diff. to recruit than straight scholly's.. FU can keep good company by playing some good academic schools OCC and play a 1A each year.. Lets get this done.. A-10 now.. (NT) -- JH89, 11:27:46 12/02/04 Thu