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Date Posted: 05/11/11 10:01pm
Author: Slick
Subject: Greg, glad to hear you are busy. Give me a call sometime and we'll go eat lunch
In reply to: Red Headed Stepchild 's message, "Is TPSA really THIS BORING ???? Somebody stir up some CRAP or tell a LIE or something !!! Did anybody see Boss Hog push RO's car into the pit wall on Saturday at Darlington ??? Looked like ole' RO was fixin' to open a can of WHOP ASS on "tha' Hog" !!! LOL Aah wait a minute ...... may be that was Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick ???? Good story anyway." on 05/ 9/11 2:46pm

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Greg, since this was aimed at me, here is my input. -- Gary Winscott, 05/12/11 8:39am

Greg, I joined TPSA in 2004 and have for the most part enjoyed every minute. We have well over six figures invested in this deal, and thousands of hours of hard work.
In the last couple of years for a number of reasons, it has gotten harder and harder to compete with the fast guys.
Early in the year David contacted me with this pro idea, which is actually based on Tpsa from 2-3 years ago, and we were "in". We do not have the funds for the X class and plan to stay in pro. I can see a rule change coming(hopefully) that will include newer off the shelf heads like ours (with only cnc porting).We were going to race in another association untill David gave us the opportunity to remain in TPSA and race with the friends we have in TPSA. WE very much want to help build the pro class to give racers like us a place to race heads-up.One last comment would include.. I would invite anyone to check anything they want on our motors. That being said..Ihave raced with all these guys in TPSA for years, and know for a fact that everyone is above reproach. Thanks, Gary

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[> [> Thanks for Chiming in Gary. -- Greg Good, 05/12/11 4:18pm

What do I do *if* someone wants me to do a set of Pro heads for them? As of right now, I don't have a clue.

1. Do I go by the written rules?

Or...

2. Go by the what the rules committee amends them to at a later date (which is what happened in your case).

Or...

3. Try to anticipate the future rules.

As to #3...if a CNC only spec head became the rule for Pro, that would blow me out of the water, All of my heads are hand finished. Yeah, I *could* have a head digitized for $5000, then CNC'd, but that kind of blows the budget spirit of the Pro class.

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[> [> [> Believe me, I of all people would like to establish black & white, no variance, absolutely no deviation, head rules for the PRO class <<<>>>Click for more<<>>> -- DH, 05/12/11 9:11pm

It's important to remember the "PRO" class idea came about at the 11th hour.. just prior to the banquet. The main purpose was to retain the 3-5 teams that were leaving the TPSA to explore other venues and provide a more economical alternative to the XREME class. I've got the help of some very smart folks involved and they don't have a definitive answer as of today... nor did I expect one. This first year was advertised as an experiment along with a fact finding mission, based around the existing rules. All of this adds up to the concept of the rules being firmed up for 2012 around the end of this season.I know of a couple of teams that are looking hard at the PRO class for next year and I've told 'em the same thing. The minute we can firm it up, it will be posted. In the meantime, anyone, specifically those like Greg in the head business should be in contact with me via email or phone to get their opinions heard. I do not have a "personal" agenda nor solution, but I want the class to be affordable/attractive to the start up teams and give the teams that have supported the TPSA for years a place to race without having to race XTREME. A major consideration is to get it right the 1st time to enable a level playing field with consistancy in the rules for years to come. I sincerely believe the rules staying consistant, fair, unbiased and equitable as possible is the primary reason TPSA has stuck around this long.

As far as what to do today for a customer? Someone tell me definitively how much better the HeadHunters, new AFR's, Edelbrocks, or other heads produced since 9/07 are compared to my ancient Greg Good 320's or my CNC 355's. They both make around 1080 when fresh and the short blocks are SG stuff. The engines are relatively quick, extremely reliable, and very low maintenance. We have run a best of 4.72 @ a great track with air that an engine/head guru only dreams about. Based on that, somewhere around 1100-1120hp in the right hands would be plenty nasty... and about where I envision the class being. With today's shortblock technology, even using heads that are "legal" by the existing rules, that is a very attainable goal at a "reasonable" price. Along with the head rule, we need to look @ converters, tires/beadlocks, spec fuel, etc., and maybe even a spec ignition to firm it up. If we have learned anything in the past 8+ years, you better have the rules as explicit as possible....Racers and their vendors are some very crafty people, and the technology changes daily, and if not controlled, adds up to big $$$ quickly. We need hard, accurate, informed, and long term answers to some difficult questions and everyone's opinion will be considered. Remember if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Gotta go load up for Crandall... Click on my initials (in blue) to send me an email. I won't be able to respond 'till Monday. Thanks for everyone's interest and comments.

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[> [> [> [> I don't want to be part of the problem so your post is the last word. Good luck this weekend! -- Greg Good, 05/12/11 9:59pm

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