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Date Posted: Sunday, September 19, 11:48:39am
Author: Jason2012
Subject: Collier disses Duquesne in today's PG.

One of the first beats I covered for the Post-Gazette was Duquesne basketball, which then called the arena home, in the tortured sense that 650 people sitting around a 17,000-seat facility is in some way homey. The home-court advantage in that era must have been that any five people selected randomly from the 650 had as good a chance to win as the student-athletes available.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10262/1088476-150.stm

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Its not dissing when it is true. (NT) -- Alan, Sunday, September 19, 12:49:18pm
- It hadn't quite sunk to that level before the Dukes moved into Palumbo, and that was when Colleary got here. So, it is exaggerated. Now, I used to respect Gene Collier more than most of his P-G colleagues, but that was gratuitous, arbitrary and capricious. (NT) -- El Duque, Sunday, September 19, 01:57:59pm
  - ED this is true, if fact it brought back a memory of sitting in the arena in the late 80's against slippery rock or IUP with about 500 other people and watching the Dukes win in overtime. The Dukes had guys like Adam Sarson and Jim Balog....nice guys i'm sure but not D1 basketball players. (NT) -- Greg, Tuesday, September 21, 07:59:20am
    - Listen, if those are Gene Collier's memories of the old Civic Arena - considering the Stanley Cups he's also covered, athletes like Lemieux, Jagr and Crosby, and the fact that the Jim Satalin era has been over for 20 years - it's still stupid. Don't you agree? I mean, people get scolded for remembering Norm Nixon or the '55 NIT, but the Post-Gazette can continue to dwell on Jim Satalin? (NT) -- El Duque, Tuesday, September 21, 09:19:49am
- Alan, I think you mentioned your era at one time or another but I can't remember. Were you around for the inception of the ECBL/EAA? Arena crowds were admittedly small (@3,300 per game), but there were plenty of instances when the placed would be filled - and positively electric. The DU-Pitt NIT game at the Arena, in my mind, rivaled any major, hoop crazy venue you can name. I clearly did not see what happened after I graduated in 1980, but for a couple years the team was at least competitive and there were still some great games played there. (NT) -- El Duque, Monday, September 20, 05:14:28pm
  - Nope, ED, I am a Pipkins-Powers-Lopes-Whitehead-Hunter-era man. So I will defer to you on the Arena crowds--but I just presumed that the journalist wouldn't be unscrupulous with his estimations (NT) -- Alan, Tuesday, September 21, 09:21:26pm
    - Were you at the Florida State game? That was at Palumbo but it had to be one of the most exciting games in Pittsburgh college basketball history. -- El Duque, Tuesday, September 21, 11:00:07pm
      - Nope--started with 'c' in 93. (NT) -- Alan, Tuesday, September 21, 11:35:42pm
        our big time games were freshman year...the big win in the NIT over unc-charlotte and the loss at home to kerry kittles led villanova. the following year, was the 50pt loss to #1 umass....oh, the memories (NT) -- c, Wednesday, September 22, 06:41:34am
Frankly I'm not sure I put too much merit in the directionaly challenged Collier's memories of significant events at the Arena. Sounds like he had to get a column done and threw this piece together in about 15 minutes without actually doing some homework by checking Duquesne's attendance records. From the way he talked about being so confused in finding his way around the arena, it's a wonder he ever found the basketball court when he covered the Dukes. Maybe his memories of 650 fans at Dukes' games can be attributed to his late arrival at courtside 2 miutes after the game was over. (NT) -- Always a Duke, Tuesday, September 21, 08:25:50pm
Sarson and Balog -- Iluvdukes, Tuesday, September 21, 10:51:20pm
- The production of an undersized Brian Anselmino, who average more than 10 RPG, would also be welcome. (NT) -- El Duque, Tuesday, September 21, 11:22:05pm
Gene is very old and also from Philly so he should be forgiven for memory lapses; and lack of knowledge regarding Duquesne hoops. I was at almost every game in that era at the Arena and the crowds were not as small as 650; unless there was a blizzard etc. He is also wrong about the quality of play; these teams were at least competitive and many of them were pretty good. The Dukes were above average in the league and Satalin had some talent ( Dobbs, Suder, Sellers; C. Adams etc) until the rape allegations destroyed a potential A-10 champion. He never had a team as bad as the Nee era teams. (NT) -- Jules, Wednesday, September 22, 11:05:37am

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