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" thanks for coming -- DAVE ROBINSON, 08:03:43 07/22/07 Sun (74-134-107-193.dhcp.insightbb.com/74.134.107.193)

I would like to thank all the non wing racer that came out last night ,you put on a great show,to bad the track went to rubber, but in the middle to back there was alot of good racing.. thanks for coming and playing in our dirt.....

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[> Re: thanks for coming -- Randy Foutch, 11:00:20 07/23/07 Mon (NoHost/65.208.235.66)

Looks like you had a great car count. Sorry I couldn't make it as I tore the car up on Friday @ Wayne City and could not get it repaired. We miss racing at Cole's and hope you do this again. Good luck.

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[> Re: thanks for coming -- DAVID ROBINSON, 17:46:38 07/23/07 Mon (74-134-107-193.dhcp.insightbb.com/74.134.107.193)

the racing was very good,but boring without you do your stuff,hope you get your cars fixed until later bye bye

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" Re-working the track at Coles County? -- Brent, 18:35:16 07/16/07 Mon (client-67-58-248-63.consolidated.net/67.58.248.63)

Is there any truth to the rumor that was going around the track Sat. night that they were going to re-work the track this week and put the banking back in it? Basically by raking all the dirt off the bottom and moving back up top. Just curious as to if it is going to happen or not. Not a big deal, just asking.

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[> Re: Re-working the track at Coles County? -- ed (IRA IS TAKING CARE OF IT TUES.), 20:32:52 07/16/07 Mon (client-216-176-88-252.consolidated.net/216.176.88.252)

>Is there any truth to the rumor that was going around
>the track Sat. night that they were going to re-work
>the track this week and put the banking back in it?
>Basically by raking all the dirt off the bottom and
>moving back up top. Just curious as to if it is going
>to happen or not. Not a big deal, just asking.
I THINK IRAS TAKING CARE OF IT TUES.

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[> Re: Re-working the track at Coles County? -- Mary Ellen Harris, 17:30:58 07/18/07 Wed (client-67-58-230-23.consolidated.net/67.58.230.23)

We were going to try and get it done Monday and Tuesday, but the rain caused us not to be able to. So we are going to try and get it done next week. Ira Plank is the one doing it.

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" Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- Chuck Kidwell, 18:21:28 07/05/07 Thu (adsl-68-77-93-91.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net/68.77.93.91)

After reading some of the posts on this message board I feel it is time to speak out about the Past and Present NMMA. Most people now participating in Micro Racing do not know the whole history of what it was, became and floundered. Maybe this will help you to understand what has happened since the so called “Glory Years”.

The NMMA was created by a bunch of guys in the 50’s to promote a type of racing as a hobby to run under a common set of rules for the drivers to hone their racing skills. It was not organized to give big buck purses to its members. The same is still the object today. You can join today and run your local weekly show and still go race with a group such as POWRi that does not have the organizational expense of a group (like NMMA) and races with spectators in the stands paying the purse instead of the racer paying his own purse through the back gate. Yeah, Yeah, you say, Old School thinking. Not true. It built an Organization that became the leader in Micro Racing and if I am hearing right there is a lot of talk about “the rules are going to pot and we need an organization like the NMMA to lead us”. Granted the new NMMA will need simple rules, something to offer the private promoter and some level headed thinking to achieve this goal.

In the early ‘80”s there were very few tracks. Pat McGrath was elected President and began building the NMMA by having the Presidential Power to shape not only the direction of the organization, but also the rules. In plain words he was a Dictator of the type Bill France was. The rules were simple: bore and stroke, 125 or 250cc, singles and twins. There was a National Contest Board that determined penalties for offending the rules of the organization, not determined by the local referee who has to answer to the local racers that he must deal with on a daily basis at lunch, school functions, having a cool one at the bar or meeting on the street. But probably the best thing the NMMA had to offer was Insurance. A track would insure a nights racing for $137.00 through George Knight and that in itself brought tracks to the NMMA along with the simple standard rules. Under this way of running the organization the NMMA grew to over 30 Clubs with tracks from New York, North Carolina, Delaware on the East Side through Middle America to Arizona and California on the West Coast. So what happened you ask inquisitively……well, things changed. When McGrath left in the mid ‘90’s several changes gave the NMMA a change in direction. One of the first things to go was the Insurance. The Board felt NMMA would do better without George Knight and changed companies. Suddenly the insurance became $500 instead of $137 and the tracks started responding by dropping the NMMA followed by declining membership. Also the rules began to become more complicated as the 600cc engines became popular to “reduce” the cost of racing. The Board saw fit to reduce the power the President had in legislating the NMMA and he became a figurehead with no power to lead, only to a vote to break a tie at a Board Meeting. This should answer the question: “Why doesn’t the President do something?” The National Competition Board was in effect dissolved and all the rule infraction decisions was made by the local referee who was appointed at a local level. That is one job I would Never want!!!! There was a rule instituted that has caused more hate and discontent than any other…The Engine Claim. If you wanted to mess with your hated competitor, you just claimed his engine and he was done for a week or so. Not a good thing. As the costs of racing increased so did lets use some Common Sense decrease. Last year the Message Board was filled with a lot of people with ideas many of which were to help their personal agendas but I don’t remember one person saying “Hey, let’s get our heads together, quit throwing rocks and figure this thing out for the betterment of ALL not just ME. Joe Smiley has caught a lot of flack for doing his Job. As Senior VP it is his duty to enforce the Rules given to him BY THE BOARD. Sure Joe is strict, but what is he to do? By the book, he is required to enforce those rules in the book whether either he or you like it or not. And he is man enough to do his job.

So the big question is: How can we get the NMMA going again……In my opinion it will take a complete new Board of Directors, Vice Presidents and the new President will have the power to LEAD the NMMA. A new SIMPLE rule book, A National Contest Board headed by a Competition Director that interprets the rules and is responsible to the President. The local Referee will send an incident report to the Competition Director and he will present this report to the National Contest Board for a decision. A Driver will have the right to appeal. The rules will be simple: Bore/Stroke to determine engine size and weight penalties for 619 or 640 cc engines so those with big engines can race in the NMMA. The classes will be Wing, Non Wing, Restrictor and Jr Sprint with local option on Singles. The NMMA needs a National Race and this would be the one that pays the big bucks.

Remember, there is no Golden Goose out there poppin’ out gold eggs. Yes there is some money in the kitty but why not use that to reorganize and get the NMMA going back to being a leader……Old School maybe, but reading, writing, and arithmetic got us to the moon and made Play Station possible.

Okay readers, get your clubs out and start thumping me, but give some positive thoughts to any advice and forget your personal agenda, think bigger than that.

Chuck Kidwell

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[> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- DAVE ROBINSON, 18:54:31 07/05/07 Thu (74-134-107-193.dhcp.insightbb.com/74.134.107.193)

Chuck, you said it very well,but let us not forget it is not just the elected offical fault,but also the members who voted them in, we all setteled for the status Qou, hopeing that someone else would do something,I for one would love to see a new national Org. Hopefully there is someone with all the right answer, I am not that person..

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[> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- j c hopper, 21:46:28 07/05/07 Thu (74-136-200-246.dhcp.insightbb.com/74.136.200.246)

Well said, Chuck!

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[> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- Mike Popham, 06:06:30 07/06/07 Fri (12-192-31-201.cell1net.net/12.192.31.201)

Your giving Pat too much credit.

How many Jr. Sprints are home built? The sport increased due to the mass production of the cars. Up until the early 80's they were home built, or built on a limited basis. Stallard, Factor1 and Sawyer began building complete cars and carrying replace parts so that the person that had no welder, lathe, and all the various tools could own and race a car. If you tore up a bumper, you could call one of them and have it before the next race, instead of having to make it yourself.

As far as his "dictatorship", thats when things began to go down hill. Thats when he and his cohort would tell tracks and drivers that if they didn't want to comply then they weren't needed because the NMMA could do just fine without them. That was when tracks got championships before they were "elegible" but others couldn't because they weren't personally liked by certain people. That was when he said that "production engines" in the rule book meant bone stock because he didn't want stroked 250 Singles. He had to back off when told that his interpetation also meant no alcohol. His dictatorship has also meant that the NMMA has NEVER advertised its National race. His dictatorship has also meant that there is now no tracks in the NMMA and nothing is being done this year to help things.

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[> [> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- Chuck Kidwell, 22:03:51 07/06/07 Fri (adsl-68-77-93-91.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net/68.77.93.91)

>Mike

I guess you missed the point of my post. The point was that the Presidency has no power to do the things that members ask. There was a time the President could. Now all he can basicly do is break a tie vote. If you look at any of the successful racing organizations such as NASCAR, The Indy Racing League,Formula 1, NHRA, USAC, IMCA and so on you will find strong leadership led by one strong individual. We in NMMA can elect that individual and if we don't like the way he runs it we elect someone else to do the job. The way the NMMA is now structured the President can't do Jack Sprat because that power was removed from the Office. I know you and Pat McGrath had your differences but that has nothing to do with the problems in the NMMA at the present. The purpose of my post was to demonstrate past history and how we got there. McGrath was the President before the changes were put in effect and then came back to a different set of game rules when he was elected the second time. My post was not to set up a bashing but rather to get people to realize what had happened over the past 20 years and to look for a solution. I think you found out how the rules had changed during your short tenure as Referee at Coles County and how frustrating that job can be. You and I had conversation about the NMMA and I think we were in agreement with the problems.....The past is gone and we can learn from it but not dwell on it. And also to answer another post, George Knight was asked to take the NMMA back and they respectfully declined as they had branched out to insure rodeos. I hope the people reading these posts realize that now is the time to step up and work to bring a better, simpler NMMA back to the respect it had and to be the leader in Micro racing again.

And one more thing..My apology to Lanny Harvey because he did try to get a group together and work out a new NMMA. Sorry Lanny, I had a brain burp on that one.

Chuck Kidwell

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[> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- Ed Carter (DOES ANYBODY CARE), 07:39:25 07/06/07 Fri (client-216-176-88-63.consolidated.net/216.176.88.63)

This is my personal opionion.If anyone cares at the top or bottom of the NMMA its time to show it. Step down on your own. We can plame whoever tell hell freezes over and then all that will be left is the good old days.Its time to take the bull by the horns.The problem is who can take over the rains. Then we have to remember that what we do and say is for the good of the NMMA not what fits us personaly.Good luck on finding the people that can fit that position. My opinion.If we take are time to do something it will be to late.Who has the authority to get it in motion thats my Question. Ed Carter...

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[> GOOD JOB MIKE -- Racerx, 18:06:04 07/06/07 Fri (host-216-76-164-44.owb.bellsouth.net/216.76.164.44)

Good job Mike,
Playing favortism and pulling strings by the (queen and her henchmen) to screw over people has been the bigest problem I have seen. And it's not just me because every where you go you hear the same story from all.... And none of you can say otherwise unless you are in with them..

If George Knight will have them back, get them back.
ps: If they wanted something to happen(any of them) they would be someone doing some talking about a national race of some sorts for 08.

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[> NOW IS THE TIME! -- Lanny Harvey, 11:23:08 07/07/07 Sat (NoHost/204.120.195.43)

Now is the time for all you HEROES to step up. Pat has said he is not going to run any more, my tenure is done, several others have not re-joined SO all you people with ALL the great ideas step up to the plate. It is wide open. I for one welcome the chance to see how it should have been done. I doubt that it will happen but I seriously hope it does. I have been a member for over 30 years and hate to see everything go out the back door. The way I look at it is if all you can do is whine about the past then there is really no future.

If any of you have any gonads you will get Chuck Kidwell on the list to help start up a new NMMA and keep it going. But please don't get someone that sits around and B*tchs about how bad it was or it will die again. Nuff said by the Ole Wallbanger!!!!

>After reading some of the posts on this message board
>I feel it is time to speak out about the Past and
>Present NMMA. Most people now participating in Micro
>Racing do not know the whole history of what it was,
>became and floundered. Maybe this will help you to
>understand what has happened since the so called
>“Glory Years”.
>
>The NMMA was created by a bunch of guys in the 50’s to
>promote a type of racing as a hobby to run under a
>common set of rules for the drivers to hone their
>racing skills. It was not organized to give big buck
>purses to its members. The same is still the object
>today. You can join today and run your local weekly
>show and still go race with a group such as POWRi that
>does not have the organizational expense of a group
>(like NMMA) and races with spectators in the stands
>paying the purse instead of the racer paying his own
>purse through the back gate. Yeah, Yeah, you say, Old
>School thinking. Not true. It built an Organization
>that became the leader in Micro Racing and if I am
>hearing right there is a lot of talk about “the rules
>are going to pot and we need an organization like the
>NMMA to lead us”. Granted the new NMMA will need
>simple rules, something to offer the private promoter
>and some level headed thinking to achieve this goal.
>
>In the early ‘80”s there were very few tracks. Pat
>McGrath was elected President and began building the
>NMMA by having the Presidential Power to shape not
>only the direction of the organization, but also the
>rules. In plain words he was a Dictator of the type
>Bill France was. The rules were simple: bore and
>stroke, 125 or 250cc, singles and twins. There was a
>National Contest Board that determined penalties for
>offending the rules of the organization, not
>determined by the local referee who has to answer to
>the local racers that he must deal with on a daily
>basis at lunch, school functions, having a cool one at
>the bar or meeting on the street. But probably the
>best thing the NMMA had to offer was Insurance. A
>track would insure a nights racing for $137.00 through
>George Knight and that in itself brought tracks to the
>NMMA along with the simple standard rules. Under this
>way of running the organization the NMMA grew to over
>30 Clubs with tracks from New York, North Carolina,
>Delaware on the East Side through Middle America to
>Arizona and California on the West Coast. So what
>happened you ask inquisitively……well, things changed.
> When McGrath left in the mid ‘90’s several changes
>gave the NMMA a change in direction. One of the first
>things to go was the Insurance. The Board felt NMMA
>would do better without George Knight and changed
>companies. Suddenly the insurance became $500 instead
>of $137 and the tracks started responding by dropping
>the NMMA followed by declining membership. Also the
>rules began to become more complicated as the 600cc
>engines became popular to “reduce” the cost of racing.
> The Board saw fit to reduce the power the President
>had in legislating the NMMA and he became a figurehead
>with no power to lead, only to a vote to break a tie
>at a Board Meeting. This should answer the question:
>“Why doesn’t the President do something?” The
>National Competition Board was in effect dissolved and
>all the rule infraction decisions was made by the
>local referee who was appointed at a local level.
>That is one job I would Never want!!!! There was a
>rule instituted that has caused more hate and
>discontent than any other…The Engine Claim. If you
>wanted to mess with your hated competitor, you just
>claimed his engine and he was done for a week or so.
>Not a good thing. As the costs of racing increased so
>did lets use some Common Sense decrease. Last year
>the Message Board was filled with a lot of people with
>ideas many of which were to help their personal
>agendas but I don’t remember one person saying “Hey,
>let’s get our heads together, quit throwing rocks and
>figure this thing out for the betterment of ALL not
>just ME. Joe Smiley has caught a lot of flack for
>doing his Job. As Senior VP it is his duty to enforce
>the Rules given to him BY THE BOARD. Sure Joe is
>strict, but what is he to do? By the book, he is
>required to enforce those rules in the book whether
>either he or you like it or not. And he is man enough
>to do his job.
>
>So the big question is: How can we get the NMMA going
>again……In my opinion it will take a complete new Board
>of Directors, Vice Presidents and the new President
>will have the power to LEAD the NMMA. A new SIMPLE
>rule book, A National Contest Board headed by a
>Competition Director that interprets the rules and is
>responsible to the President. The local Referee will
>send an incident report to the Competition Director
>and he will present this report to the National
>Contest Board for a decision. A Driver will have the
>right to appeal. The rules will be simple:
>Bore/Stroke to determine engine size and weight
>penalties for 619 or 640 cc engines so those with big
>engines can race in the NMMA. The classes will be
>Wing, Non Wing, Restrictor and Jr Sprint with local
>option on Singles. The NMMA needs a National Race and
>this would be the one that pays the big bucks.
>
>Remember, there is no Golden Goose out there poppin’
>out gold eggs. Yes there is some money in the kitty
>but why not use that to reorganize and get the NMMA
>going back to being a leader……Old School maybe, but
>reading, writing, and arithmetic got us to the moon
>and made Play Station possible.
>
>Okay readers, get your clubs out and start thumping
>me, but give some positive thoughts to any advice and
>forget your personal agenda, think bigger than that.
>
>Chuck Kidwell

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[> [> Re: NOW IS THE TIME! -- Brian, 12:18:17 07/07/07 Sat (pool-71-113-189-117.frstil.dsl-w.verizon.net/71.113.189.117)

>Now is the time for all you HEROES to step up. Pat
>has said he is not going to run any more, my tenure is
>done, several others have not re-joined SO all you
>people with ALL the great ideas step up to the plate.
>It is wide open. I for one welcome the chance to see
>how it should have been done. I doubt that it will
>happen but I seriously hope it does. I have been a
>member for over 30 years and hate to see everything go
>out the back door. The way I look at it is if all you
>can do is whine about the past then there is really no
>future.
>
>If any of you have any gonads you will get Chuck
>Kidwell on the list to help start up a new NMMA and
>keep it going. But please don't get someone that sits
>around and B*tchs about how bad it was or it will die
>again. Nuff said by the Ole Wallbanger!!!!
>
>>After reading some of the posts on this message board
>>I feel it is time to speak out about the Past and
>>Present NMMA. Most people now participating in Micro
>>Racing do not know the whole history of what it was,
>>became and floundered. Maybe this will help you to
>>understand what has happened since the so called
>>“Glory Years”.
>>
>>The NMMA was created by a bunch of guys in the 50’s to
>>promote a type of racing as a hobby to run under a
>>common set of rules for the drivers to hone their
>>racing skills. It was not organized to give big buck
>>purses to its members. The same is still the object
>>today. You can join today and run your local weekly
>>show and still go race with a group such as POWRi that
>>does not have the organizational expense of a group
>>(like NMMA) and races with spectators in the stands
>>paying the purse instead of the racer paying his own
>>purse through the back gate. Yeah, Yeah, you say, Old
>>School thinking. Not true. It built an Organization
>>that became the leader in Micro Racing and if I am
>>hearing right there is a lot of talk about “the rules
>>are going to pot and we need an organization like the
>>NMMA to lead us”. Granted the new NMMA will need
>>simple rules, something to offer the private promoter
>>and some level headed thinking to achieve this goal.
>>
>>In the early ‘80”s there were very few tracks. Pat
>>McGrath was elected President and began building the
>>NMMA by having the Presidential Power to shape not
>>only the direction of the organization, but also the
>>rules. In plain words he was a Dictator of the type
>>Bill France was. The rules were simple: bore and
>>stroke, 125 or 250cc, singles and twins. There was a
>>National Contest Board that determined penalties for
>>offending the rules of the organization, not
>>determined by the local referee who has to answer to
>>the local racers that he must deal with on a daily
>>basis at lunch, school functions, having a cool one at
>>the bar or meeting on the street. But probably the
>>best thing the NMMA had to offer was Insurance. A
>>track would insure a nights racing for $137.00 through
>>George Knight and that in itself brought tracks to the
>>NMMA along with the simple standard rules. Under this
>>way of running the organization the NMMA grew to over
>>30 Clubs with tracks from New York, North Carolina,
>>Delaware on the East Side through Middle America to
>>Arizona and California on the West Coast. So what
>>happened you ask inquisitively……well, things changed.
>> When McGrath left in the mid ‘90’s several changes
>>gave the NMMA a change in direction. One of the first
>>things to go was the Insurance. The Board felt NMMA
>>would do better without George Knight and changed
>>companies. Suddenly the insurance became $500 instead
>>of $137 and the tracks started responding by dropping
>>the NMMA followed by declining membership. Also the
>>rules began to become more complicated as the 600cc
>>engines became popular to “reduce” the cost of racing.
>> The Board saw fit to reduce the power the President
>>had in legislating the NMMA and he became a figurehead
>>with no power to lead, only to a vote to break a tie
>>at a Board Meeting. This should answer the question:
>>“Why doesn’t the President do something?” The
>>National Competition Board was in effect dissolved and
>>all the rule infraction decisions was made by the
>>local referee who was appointed at a local level.
>>That is one job I would Never want!!!! There was a
>>rule instituted that has caused more hate and
>>discontent than any other…The Engine Claim. If you
>>wanted to mess with your hated competitor, you just
>>claimed his engine and he was done for a week or so.
>>Not a good thing. As the costs of racing increased so
>>did lets use some Common Sense decrease. Last year
>>the Message Board was filled with a lot of people with
>>ideas many of which were to help their personal
>>agendas but I don’t remember one person saying “Hey,
>>let’s get our heads together, quit throwing rocks and
>>figure this thing out for the betterment of ALL not
>>just ME. Joe Smiley has caught a lot of flack for
>>doing his Job. As Senior VP it is his duty to enforce
>>the Rules given to him BY THE BOARD. Sure Joe is
>>strict, but what is he to do? By the book, he is
>>required to enforce those rules in the book whether
>>either he or you like it or not. And he is man enough
>>to do his job.
>>
>>So the big question is: How can we get the NMMA going
>>again……In my opinion it will take a complete new Board
>>of Directors, Vice Presidents and the new President
>>will have the power to LEAD the NMMA. A new SIMPLE
>>rule book, A National Contest Board headed by a
>>Competition Director that interprets the rules and is
>>responsible to the President. The local Referee will
>>send an incident report to the Competition Director
>>and he will present this report to the National
>>Contest Board for a decision. A Driver will have the
>>right to appeal. The rules will be simple:
>>Bore/Stroke to determine engine size and weight
>>penalties for 619 or 640 cc engines so those with big
>>engines can race in the NMMA. The classes will be
>>Wing, Non Wing, Restrictor and Jr Sprint with local
>>option on Singles. The NMMA needs a National Race and
>>this would be the one that pays the big bucks.
>>
>>Remember, there is no Golden Goose out there poppin’
>>out gold eggs. Yes there is some money in the kitty
>>but why not use that to reorganize and get the NMMA
>>going back to being a leader……Old School maybe, but
>>reading, writing, and arithmetic got us to the moon
>>and made Play Station possible.
>>
>>Okay readers, get your clubs out and start thumping
>>me, but give some positive thoughts to any advice and
>>forget your personal agenda, think bigger than that.
>>
>>Chuck Kidwell


The one thing is you must find the person that is willing to do the right thing for the sport and not the right thing for them. That is a very difficult thing to find in todays MEMEME!!!!!!!!! mind set.

JMO
Brian

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[> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- paula, 12:22:28 07/07/07 Sat (229-74-113-65-static.midwestfirst.com/65.113.74.229)

Kidwell is not the right person he is the won that is hurting the jr sprints right now. He made it so you have to run briggs and is trying too not let us run are yamahas, There are more yamahas out there and they are cheaper to run. Right now his house cant be beat at coles county speedway and there hasnt been any tech ever done on the briggs and he is the one making the rules. Does this seem hardly fair to the new new up and coming jr sprint drivers. We have ran quarter midgets for four years and there was never anybody dominate like the Kidwell house cars are doing. The former national champion that lives 20 miles from the coles county track wont even race there because of Kidwell.

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[> [> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- W. Pat McGrath, 11:49:47 07/08/07 Sun (adsl-222-69-72.jan.bellsouth.net/68.222.69.72)

To set the record straight for you, Chuck was asked by the Board of Directors to look for an engine that was SELF STARTING for the Junior SPRINT Class because it was taking as long to run the Juniors as it was the rest of the classes at any race and we were being asked to do away with the Junior class. Chuck was able to Dyno all engines to compare horse power so that we would not be giving a advantage to anyone. The other reasons for going with the Briggs World Engine was they are available at all B & S dealers and that Briggs and Stratten maintains the rules and specifications and supplies to all sanctioning bodies. They assure that all engines are made to those spec.. This is the same thing Yamaha does for IKF and why we used IKF rules for the NMMA.

Chuck did not have a vote on the Briggs it was unanimous by the Board of Directors, and they also voted to give 2 years (by 2008)to use up the Yamaha engines.

I'm not going to get into why one car is better than another but usually it is called PREPARATION, PREPARATION PREPARATION.

Remember that when you pick YOUR REGION CHAIRPERSON and the VICE-PRESIDENTS they are the Board of Directors and they set the rules for you as they have the final vote.

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[> [> Re: Paula you have been feed some bad information!! -- Richard Smith, 08:06:50 07/09/07 Mon (supreme2.wireless.maplenet.net/64.255.97.89)

Paula you have been feed some bad information!!

I was at the board meeting when the brigs was voted in and Mr. Kidwell was opposed to the elimination of the Yamaha!!! He told the board to allow both motors he stated that “The cream would rise to the top” This is all on tape and a matter of record. Sure Mr. Kidwell introduced the Brigs motor used his own time and money to research it So BIG DEAL if he makes a buck. No one was complaining when they paid motor builders more to rebuild their Yamaha motors than you could buy a complete NEW brigs kit for. .You should ask yourself if the people feeding you this miss information do they not have the same things to gain that you accuse Mr. Kidwell of?

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[> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- what a joke, 14:41:52 07/08/07 Sun (ppp181.pm3-5.ifw-ch.in.localnet.com/64.179.114.181)


To set the record straight for you, Chuck was asked by the Board of Directors to look for an engine that was SELF STARTING for the Junior SPRINT Class because it was taking as long to run the Juniors as it was the rest of the classes at any race and we were being asked to do away with the Junior class. THATS THE KIND OF MENTALITY THATS GET YOU NOWHERE.YOU MAKE MORE WITH THE JR'S THAN ANY OTHER CLASS WITH THE CHEAP PAYOUTS.YOU BRING THE FAMILY BROTHER, SISTER YOUR EASY OUT 80-100 BUX FOR PIT PASSES FOR WHAT 20 BUX.THE YAMAHA'S DO JUST FINE AND WITH THE COST OF A NEW JR. HERE IN A FEW MORE YEARS YOU WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT CLASS ANYMORE 9000.00 GIMMIE A BREAK

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[> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- ED CARTER (ITS TIME CHUCK), 14:42:59 07/09/07 Mon (client-216-176-88-40.consolidated.net/216.176.88.40)

>After reading some of the posts on this message board
>I feel it is time to speak out about the Past and
>Present NMMA. Most people now participating in Micro
>Racing do not know the whole history of what it was,
>became and floundered. Maybe this will help you to
>understand what has happened since the so called
>“Glory Years”.
>
>The NMMA was created by a bunch of guys in the 50’s to
>promote a type of racing as a hobby to run under a
>common set of rules for the drivers to hone their
>racing skills. It was not organized to give big buck
>purses to its members. The same is still the object
>today. You can join today and run your local weekly
>show and still go race with a group such as POWRi that
>does not have the organizational expense of a group
>(like NMMA) and races with spectators in the stands
>paying the purse instead of the racer paying his own
>purse through the back gate. Yeah, Yeah, you say, Old
>School thinking. Not true. It built an Organization
>that became the leader in Micro Racing and if I am
>hearing right there is a lot of talk about “the rules
>are going to pot and we need an organization like the
>NMMA to lead us”. Granted the new NMMA will need
>simple rules, something to offer the private promoter
>and some level headed thinking to achieve this goal.
>
>In the early ‘80”s there were very few tracks. Pat
>McGrath was elected President and began building the
>NMMA by having the Presidential Power to shape not
>only the direction of the organization, but also the
>rules. In plain words he was a Dictator of the type
>Bill France was. The rules were simple: bore and
>stroke, 125 or 250cc, singles and twins. There was a
>National Contest Board that determined penalties for
>offending the rules of the organization, not
>determined by the local referee who has to answer to
>the local racers that he must deal with on a daily
>basis at lunch, school functions, having a cool one at
>the bar or meeting on the street. But probably the
>best thing the NMMA had to offer was Insurance. A
>track would insure a nights racing for $137.00 through
>George Knight and that in itself brought tracks to the
>NMMA along with the simple standard rules. Under this
>way of running the organization the NMMA grew to over
>30 Clubs with tracks from New York, North Carolina,
>Delaware on the East Side through Middle America to
>Arizona and California on the West Coast. So what
>happened you ask inquisitively……well, things changed.
> When McGrath left in the mid ‘90’s several changes
>gave the NMMA a change in direction. One of the first
>things to go was the Insurance. The Board felt NMMA
>would do better without George Knight and changed
>companies. Suddenly the insurance became $500 instead
>of $137 and the tracks started responding by dropping
>the NMMA followed by declining membership. Also the
>rules began to become more complicated as the 600cc
>engines became popular to “reduce” the cost of racing.
> The Board saw fit to reduce the power the President
>had in legislating the NMMA and he became a figurehead
>with no power to lead, only to a vote to break a tie
>at a Board Meeting. This should answer the question:
>“Why doesn’t the President do something?” The
>National Competition Board was in effect dissolved and
>all the rule infraction decisions was made by the
>local referee who was appointed at a local level.
>That is one job I would Never want!!!! There was a
>rule instituted that has caused more hate and
>discontent than any other…The Engine Claim. If you
>wanted to mess with your hated competitor, you just
>claimed his engine and he was done for a week or so.
>Not a good thing. As the costs of racing increased so
>did lets use some Common Sense decrease. Last year
>the Message Board was filled with a lot of people with
>ideas many of which were to help their personal
>agendas but I don’t remember one person saying “Hey,
>let’s get our heads together, quit throwing rocks and
>figure this thing out for the betterment of ALL not
>just ME. Joe Smiley has caught a lot of flack for
>doing his Job. As Senior VP it is his duty to enforce
>the Rules given to him BY THE BOARD. Sure Joe is
>strict, but what is he to do? By the book, he is
>required to enforce those rules in the book whether
>either he or you like it or not. And he is man enough
>to do his job.
>
>So the big question is: How can we get the NMMA going
>again……In my opinion it will take a complete new Board
>of Directors, Vice Presidents and the new President
>will have the power to LEAD the NMMA. A new SIMPLE
>rule book, A National Contest Board headed by a
>Competition Director that interprets the rules and is
>responsible to the President. The local Referee will
>send an incident report to the Competition Director
>and he will present this report to the National
>Contest Board for a decision. A Driver will have the
>right to appeal. The rules will be simple:
>Bore/Stroke to determine engine size and weight
>penalties for 619 or 640 cc engines so those with big
>engines can race in the NMMA. The classes will be
>Wing, Non Wing, Restrictor and Jr Sprint with local
>option on Singles. The NMMA needs a National Race and
>this would be the one that pays the big bucks.
>
>Remember, there is no Golden Goose out there poppin’
>out gold eggs. Yes there is some money in the kitty
>but why not use that to reorganize and get the NMMA
>going back to being a leader……Old School maybe, but
>reading, writing, and arithmetic got us to the moon
>and made Play Station possible.
>
>Okay readers, get your clubs out and start thumping
>me, but give some positive thoughts to any advice and
>forget your personal agenda, think bigger than that.
>
>Chuck Kidwell
ITS TIME TO STAND UP CHUCK . WE WILL GIVE YOU ALL THE SUPPORT WE CAN . THE CARTERS..

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[> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- john, 16:53:11 07/09/07 Mon (229-74-113-65-static.midwestfirst.com/65.113.74.229)

How can you support someone that is driving the cost of the jr sprints up. This is suppose to be for new young drivers. I think the briggs motor is a great ideal but it needs to be stock and sealed from the factory. Now you have to buy one run it for awhile and then send it out to be blue printed and what ever else they do to them. the way it is now i can run a restictor cheeper than what there doing to the briggs. Another thing there is no tech on the briggs at coles county i was told sat. night the only way to get one tech is to protest, that is not right. they tech the other classes.I really thought coles county was going to be alot better this year but i was wrong.

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[> [> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- ED CARTER ($$$$), 04:36:25 07/10/07 Tue (client-216-176-88-31.consolidated.net/216.176.88.31)

>How can you support someone that is driving the cost
>of the jr sprints up. This is suppose to be for new
>young drivers. I think the briggs motor is a great
>ideal but it needs to be stock and sealed from the
>factory. Now you have to buy one run it for awhile and
>then send it out to be blue printed and what ever else
>they do to them. the way it is now i can run a
>restictor cheeper than what there doing to the briggs.
>Another thing there is no tech on the briggs at coles
>county i was told sat. night the only way to get one
>tech is to protest, that is not right. they tech the
>other classes.I really thought coles county was going
>to be alot better this year but i was wrong.
WHEN WE STARTED IN THE JR. CLASS WE HAD A STOCK KT 100 THAT WAS A JOKE GUESS WHAT THE COST OF THAT BLUE PRINTED MOTOR AND BLUE PRINTED CARB AND BLUE PRINTED CLUTCH AND THIS AND THAT $$$$ DON"T TELL ME ABOUT R CLASS IT JUST STARTS ALL OVER $$$$ a class$$$$ multi $$$$$ next class whats next can we blame this on chuck i don"t think he is the person to blame the blame is with the car owners because we are there to see are go as fast as we can and on a tight budget it sucks so if you want blame Chuck there is a lot of chucks out there. my opinion. ps got to go to work can i blame that on chuck to. if you want to tell me if iam right or wrong call 217 246 7865 its easyer for me to tail then type . ED PS I MIGHT EVEN RUN FOR THE JOB MY SELF JUST KIDDING.I DON"SEE ANYBODY ELSE ITS TIME SOMEONE STOOD UP . TRY IT YOU MIGHT LIKE IT.JUST REMEMBER EVEN IF WE RACE UNDER WHO EVER IT MIGHT COST US $$$$$.THEN THERE WILL BE ANOTHER CHUCK OUT THERE TO BLAME.

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[> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- j eff (not true), 16:31:05 07/10/07 Tue (client-66-116-36-198.consolidated.net/66.116.36.198)

>After reading some of the posts on this message board
>I feel it is time to speak out about the Past and
>Present NMMA. Most people now participating in Micro
>Racing do not know the whole history of what it was,
>became and floundered. Maybe this will help you to
>understand what has happened since the so called
>“Glory Years”.
>
>The NMMA was created by a bunch of guys in the 50’s to
>promote a type of racing as a hobby to run under a
>common set of rules for the drivers to hone their
>racing skills. It was not organized to give big buck
>purses to its members. The same is still the object
>today. You can join today and run your local weekly
>show and still go race with a group such as POWRi that
>does not have the organizational expense of a group
>(like NMMA) and races with spectators in the stands
>paying the purse instead of the racer paying his own
>purse through the back gate. Yeah, Yeah, you say, Old
>School thinking. Not true. It built an Organization
>that became the leader in Micro Racing and if I am
>hearing right there is a lot of talk about “the rules
>are going to pot and we need an organization like the
>NMMA to lead us”. Granted the new NMMA will need
>simple rules, something to offer the private promoter
>and some level headed thinking to achieve this goal.
>
>In the early ‘80”s there were very few tracks. Pat
>McGrath was elected President and began building the
>NMMA by having the Presidential Power to shape not
>only the direction of the organization, but also the
>rules. In plain words he was a Dictator of the type
>Bill France was. The rules were simple: bore and
>stroke, 125 or 250cc, singles and twins. There was a
>National Contest Board that determined penalties for
>offending the rules of the organization, not
>determined by the local referee who has to answer to
>the local racers that he must deal with on a daily
>basis at lunch, school functions, having a cool one at
>the bar or meeting on the street. But probably the
>best thing the NMMA had to offer was Insurance. A
>track would insure a nights racing for $137.00 through
>George Knight and that in itself brought tracks to the
>NMMA along with the simple standard rules. Under this
>way of running the organization the NMMA grew to over
>30 Clubs with tracks from New York, North Carolina,
>Delaware on the East Side through Middle America to
>Arizona and California on the West Coast. So what
>happened you ask inquisitively……well, things changed.
> When McGrath left in the mid ‘90’s several changes
>gave the NMMA a change in direction. One of the first
>things to go was the Insurance. The Board felt NMMA
>would do better without George Knight and changed
>companies. Suddenly the insurance became $500 instead
>of $137 and the tracks started responding by dropping
>the NMMA followed by declining membership. Also the
>rules began to become more complicated as the 600cc
>engines became popular to “reduce” the cost of racing.
> The Board saw fit to reduce the power the President
>had in legislating the NMMA and he became a figurehead
>with no power to lead, only to a vote to break a tie
>at a Board Meeting. This should answer the question:
>“Why doesn’t the President do something?” The
>National Competition Board was in effect dissolved and
>all the rule infraction decisions was made by the
>local referee who was appointed at a local level.
>That is one job I would Never want!!!! There was a
>rule instituted that has caused more hate and
>discontent than any other…The Engine Claim. If you
>wanted to mess with your hated competitor, you just
>claimed his engine and he was done for a week or so.
>Not a good thing. As the costs of racing increased so
>did lets use some Common Sense decrease. Last year
>the Message Board was filled with a lot of people with
>ideas many of which were to help their personal
>agendas but I don’t remember one person saying “Hey,
>let’s get our heads together, quit throwing rocks and
>figure this thing out for the betterment of ALL not
>just ME. Joe Smiley has caught a lot of flack for
>doing his Job. As Senior VP it is his duty to enforce
>the Rules given to him BY THE BOARD. Sure Joe is
>strict, but what is he to do? By the book, he is
>required to enforce those rules in the book whether
>either he or you like it or not. And he is man enough
>to do his job.
>
>So the big question is: How can we get the NMMA going
>again……In my opinion it will take a complete new Board
>of Directors, Vice Presidents and the new President
>will have the power to LEAD the NMMA. A new SIMPLE
>rule book, A National Contest Board headed by a
>Competition Director that interprets the rules and is
>responsible to the President. The local Referee will
>send an incident report to the Competition Director
>and he will present this report to the National
>Contest Board for a decision. A Driver will have the
>right to appeal. The rules will be simple:
>Bore/Stroke to determine engine size and weight
>penalties for 619 or 640 cc engines so those with big
>engines can race in the NMMA. The classes will be
>Wing, Non Wing, Restrictor and Jr Sprint with local
>option on Singles. The NMMA needs a National Race and
>this would be the one that pays the big bucks.
>
>Remember, there is no Golden Goose out there poppin’
>out gold eggs. Yes there is some money in the kitty
>but why not use that to reorganize and get the NMMA
>going back to being a leader……Old School maybe, but
>reading, writing, and arithmetic got us to the moon
>and made Play Station possible.
>
>Okay readers, get your clubs out and start thumping
>me, but give some positive thoughts to any advice and
>forget your personal agenda, think bigger than that.
>
>Chuck Kidwell
john thats not what you were told i said i didnt know if we could tech the brigs and i would check and later found that we could and i also said we will but we were not going to tech saturday night so please tell the whole story when you wanna tell a story we can tech them and maybe we will but u know and i know coles county has the strongest jr count every sat this year and we treat u all very well so in retro spect if you have a problem and u think some one is cheating make your protest and get it over with dont drag it in the mud and beat around the bush i told u i would look into it and i did so do with it what u will u guys wanted invert then we did then now u dont then u do this is the stuff that the people get tired of, that jr class is strong and the kids and the parents have been great you know your always going to have strong cars ie hendricks cot domination in nascar, roush fenway cmon this mentallaty is so foolish racing is awesum if ur 5 0r 50
lets get online and bitch all the time stupid ,im at the track early and i stay late u know who i am i would say this to your faces so im not hiding everyone is entitled to there opinion the reason the national champ does run coles or wayne is because of the trouble either started by them or someone else there is always the facts and the fiction life is too short and winning isnt always everything those that cheat know who they r and they can live with it, just do your own thing and just have fun dam other wise lets get hammers and smash our thumbs every saturay nite if u think kidwell is cheating call him out either with protest or just go up and ask him hey i think ur cheating r u? whats the worst that could happen

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[> To: Lanny Harvey -- dave, 20:30:33 07/11/07 Wed (adsl-75-61-15-146.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net/75.61.15.146)

Lanny grow up... the current NMMA Officers ran the organization into the ground. Over the years you have never said or done anything positive for the NMMA. I personally am sick of your attitude and for your "tone" in your post... it really gripes me. You have been a do nothing for long enough. I am so glad to hear you and your buddy Pat are not running again... heck you guys helped destroy the NMMA and have done NOTHING over the years to save it. People like Chuck and many others have had great ideas which were given the cold shoulder too or flat out slammed.

I am sure you guys are doing your best to drain the NMMA bank accounts so basiclly the NMMA will be left with NOTHING when you leave. Your last paragraph is soooo funny about "dont get some who sits around, etc..."... what the heck have all of you been doing???... Pat has been a DO NOTHING and all you have ever done is "B*tch"... now go into retirement and leave the NMMA be... you did your part... we all see the results!



Here is what you said-
"Now is the time for all you HEROES to step up. Pat has said he is not going to run any more, my tenure is done, several others have not re-joined SO all you people with ALL the great ideas step up to the plate. It is wide open. I for one welcome the chance to see how it should have been done. I doubt that it will happen but I seriously hope it does. I have been a member for over 30 years and hate to see everything go out the back door. The way I look at it is if all you can do is whine about the past then there is really no future.

If any of you have any gonads you will get Chuck Kidwell on the list to help start up a new NMMA and keep it going. But please don't get someone that sits around and B*tchs about how bad it was or it will die again. Nuff said by the Ole Wallbanger!!!!"

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[> [> Re: To: Lanny Harvey -- KLP, 11:58:20 07/13/07 Fri (NoHost/63.81.142.121)

Whats funny is that Lanny is asking for people to step up and take it over, how can we when we don't know what is happening?!?!?!? If the "Destroyers" of the NMMA are going to leave, then they need to officially step down. Otherwise people will only believe that they are staying. But they won't, because they are waiting for someone to save thir butts so they can look like the HERO. They want the credit but they dont want to do the work.

All of the HEROS would step up, however the the names of those that have run everyone off from a 50 year organization are still there. Meaning we won't take over until they are out for good and banned from all events.

Kev

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[> Re: Personal Opinion on the NMMA -- ED CARTER, 20:51:15 07/16/07 Mon (client-216-176-88-252.consolidated.net/216.176.88.252)

> Granted the new NMMA will need
>simple rules, something to offer the private promoter
>and some level headed thinking to achieve this goal.
>
>In the early �80�s there were very few tracks. Pat
>McGrath was elected President and began building the
>NMMA by having the Presidential Power to shape not
>only the direction of the organization, but also the
>rules. In plain words he was a Dictator of the type
>Bill France was. The rules were simple: bore and
>stroke, 125 or 250cc, singles and twins. There was a
>National Contest Board that determined penalties for
>offending the rules of the organization, not
>determined by the local referee who has to answer to
>the local racers that he must deal with on a daily
>basis at lunch, school functions, having a cool one at
>the bar or meeting on the street. But probably the
>best thing the NMMA had to offer was Insurance. A
>track would insure a nights racing for $137.00 through
>George Knight and that in itself brought tracks to the
>NMMA along with the simple standard rules. Under this
>way of running the organization the NMMA grew to over
>30 Clubs with tracks from New York, North Carolina,
>Delaware on the East Side through Middle America to
>Arizona and California on the West Coast. So what
>happened you ask inquisitively��well, things changed.
> When McGrath left in the mid �90�s several changes
>gave the NMMA a change in direction. One of the first
>things to go was the Insurance. The Board felt NMMA
>would do better without George Knight and changed
>companies. Suddenly the insurance became $500 instead
>of $137 and the tracks started responding by dropping
>the NMMA followed by declining membership. Also the
>rules began to become more complicated as the 600cc
>engines became popular to �reduce� the cost of racing.
> The Board saw fit to reduce the power the President
>had in legislating the NMMA and he became a figurehead
>with no power to lead, only to a vote to break a tie
>at a Board Meeting. This should answer the question:
>�Why doesn�t the President do something?� The
>National Competition Board was in effect dissolved and
>all the rule infraction decisions was made by the
>local referee who was appointed at a local level.
>That is one job I would Never want!!!! There was a
>rule instituted that has caused more hate and
>discontent than any other�The Engine Claim. If you
>wanted to mess with your hated competitor, you just
>claimed his engine and he was done for a week or so.
>Not a good thing. As the costs of racing increased so
>did lets use some Common Sense decrease. Last year
>the Message Board was filled with a lot of people with
>ideas many of which were to help their personal
>agendas but I don�t remember one person saying �Hey,
>let�s get our heads together, quit throwing rocks and
>figure this thing out for the betterment of ALL not
>just ME. Joe Smiley has caught a lot of flack for
>doing his Job. As Senior VP it is his duty to enforce
>the Rules given to him BY THE BOARD. Sure Joe is
>strict, but what is he to do? By the book, he is
>required to enforce those rules in the book whether
>either he or you like it or not. And he is man enough
>to do his job.
>
>So the big question is: How can we get the NMMA going
>again��In my opinion it will take a complete new Board
>of Directors, Vice Presidents and the new President
>will have the power to LEAD the NMMA. A new SIMPLE
>rule book, A National Contest Board headed by a
>Competition Director that interprets the rules and is
>responsible to the President. The local Referee will
>send an incident report to the Competition Director
>and he will present this report to the National
>Contest Board for a decision. A Driver will have the
>right to appeal. The rules will be simple:
>Bore/Stroke to determine engine size and weight
>penalties for 619 or 640 cc engines so those with big
>engines can race in the NMMA. The classes will be
>Wing, Non Wing, Restrictor and Jr Sprint with local
>option on Singles. The NMMA needs a National Race and
>this would be the one that pays the big bucks.
> Hey has anyone other then chuck ready to take this on . just asking i think chuck is the only one that can and who is willing to sacrafice his time and money to promote this sport. We can all sit back and gripe and complain thats easy. If i typed a little better i might even be his campaign manager. ED

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" Outlaw Non-Wing show this Sat. Night. -- Brent, 18:31:58 07/16/07 Mon (client-67-58-248-63.consolidated.net/67.58.248.63)

Just want to remind everyone of the Non-Wing show this weekend. In case you are wondering the track has went Outlaw with the Non-Wing rules, if you have any questions about them go to the "2007 Car Specs" section of the CCMMRA website and go to the Multi Class rules. It's basically the same just eliminate the wing's! The main rule that should concern everyone is the 619 max motor displacement. There are a bunch of guy's on Maximum Dirt.com that are going to make the trip so we should have a great show. Hell, if I have too I will jerk the wing off my car and run, only if needed! Don't get no idea's Ed!

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[> Re: Outlaw Non-Wing show this Sat. Night. -- ED (WHY NOT), 20:38:06 07/16/07 Mon (client-216-176-88-252.consolidated.net/216.176.88.252)

>Just want to remind everyone of the Non-Wing show this
>weekend. In case you are wondering the track has went
>Outlaw with the Non-Wing rules, if you have any
>questions about them go to the "2007 Car Specs"
>section of the CCMMRA website and go to the Multi
>Class rules. It's basically the same just eliminate
>the wing's! The main rule that should concern everyone
>is the 619 max motor displacement. There are a bunch
>of guy's on Maximum Dirt.com that are going to make
>the trip so we should have a great show. Hell, if I
>have too I will jerk the wing off my car and run, only
>if needed! Don't get no idea's Ed!
not knock it till you try it. hey you might like it. just a thought see you sat. nite if we survive macon fri.

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" A message to Pat McGrath and Joe Smiley -- Brent, 19:21:53 07/04/07 Wed (client-67-58-248-63.consolidated.net/67.58.248.63)

As a first year driver I am going to try and give my 2 cents worth and yet be as respectful to the years of service you have given this sport, so hang in there with me on this.
I have given my opinion on this before but have kinda stayed in the shadows because this is me and my brother's first year in the sport. There are a lot of driver's who think there needs to be a national organization with a standardized set of rules. There are 2 ways too look at the fact that no one is running NMMA sanctioned races this year. You can say that the tracks and driver's are being selfish and not supporting the NMMA or you can say that the NMMA is being selfish and not doing it's part in supporting the track's and driver's. There is one thing being proven right now and that is that the track's, the driver's and the sport in general do not need the current NMMA to survive and prosper! The purses are up, the car counts are up and there are more fans coming to watch the races so why give money to an organization that gives nothing back to the very track's, driver's and fans that support it! When Coles County was the only track left running NMMA sanctioned races at the beginning of the year all they asked for was some financial support from you guy's basically to help get the year started right and what they got was a slap in the face! Only 1 track left to help get this organization back on it's feet and you do basically nothing. This is not about rules you two and if you would get out of that 1980's way of thinking and realize that you can either start giving back too the very people that support you or get rid of it and let it die off. Taking just some of that money and starting a solid points fund would do wonder's for this organization. Driver's will not join, follow or defend an organization that does not have their best interests in mind and you have done nothing to prove that you do. The NMMA exists and is supported by it's driver's not the other way around and you don't realize that. The simple fact that you are not asking any of your potential driver's for suggestions or giving regular updates on ideas is proof that the NMMA don't give a damn about the very driver's that support it! No one will pay $75 to join an organization that gives nothing back just for a set of rules, especially knowing they could go 2 or 3 hours away and win twice as much money in a race with twice as many car's and only have to make a few changes to their car to do it! I know I would and I can't afford to drive very far away.
I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful but you have got to change your way of doing thing's and prove to us driver's that you have our best interests in mind and are going to support your track's and driver's and much as possible. The reason people are still going on about the audit is because they don't trust you! I will spell it out as plain and simple as I can, THEY DON'T TRUST YOU WITH THEIR MONEY! That right there should throw up a red flag too you guy's.
The NMMA has alot to prove too the driver's and track's in this country and if that is not your primary concern then you should refund their money for this year and let it go, because no one will waste their money to join that organization just for a set of rules!

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[> Re: A message to Pat McGrath and Joe Smiley -- Joe Smiley EVP, 18:38:51 07/05/07 Thu (c-68-52-171-217.hsd1.tn.comcast.net/68.52.171.217)

>Brent as I stated in a lower post.The NMMA changed it's
Rules for the 2007 racing season and one of these was to give the Tracks and or Promotors the option to run part
NMMA Santioned shows and also run some outlaw shows if they
so desired.
We also did away with the Pit Stop Mag.and would put that $20.00 per member into a Drivers Point Fund.
We also signed a Contract with HOOSIER TIRE to use their tires on all four corners in 2007.
For this HOOSIER TIRE would put into the Drivers Point Fund
$1,500.00 for each track that signed up with the NMMA.

Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

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[> [> Re: A message to Pat McGrath and Joe Smiley -- Dave, 20:38:05 07/11/07 Wed (adsl-75-61-15-146.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net/75.61.15.146)

As always Joe.... to little too late. Most of all what you said was implimented AFTER the tracks left. I hope you follow Pat and dont seek re-election... you have blemished the NMMA right along with him over the years. Talk has been cheap and failure to listen to the drivers/promoters/tracks and only looking out for yourself has been pitiful.

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[> [> [> Re: A message to Pat McGrath and Joe Smiley -- Joe Smiley EVP, 14:25:46 07/15/07 Sun (c-68-52-171-217.hsd1.tn.comcast.net/68.52.171.217)

>Dave at the end of the racing last year we the NMMA had
no clue as to the tracks all pulling out this year.
The changes we made in St Louis were for the most part
already planned.
We changed everything we were ask and more or less rewrote
the Comp Rule Book.
When we left the meeting we were pleased with what we had
done.
Then at the start of this season every track or club that
attended the meeting pulled out.
When this happened the only thing that we the NMMA could do
was to sit tight and see what happened and what we needed to do.
I repeat the NMMA is not about money and never has been or
will ever be.
We promote Open Wheeled Sprint Car racing on dirt and strive to keep the cost down to a point where a every day
Mom,Dad,son or daughter could afford to be a part of.
People keep throwing Power I at us as a pasttern we should
follow.
POWER I requires a track or club to put up a $3500.00 purse
to be paid at the front end before they race.
Of that #3500.00 ,$750.00 goes to POWER I and the rest is
posted and given out to only ONE CLASS and they will not
tech the motors.
I would bet that most FAMILY's racing could not afford to
travel and be competive in the POWER I divison.
You say I never did anything and enbarrised the NMMA.
I worked my rear end of all season and helped any one I could.
If I ebbarrised the NMMA for that I AM SORRY.
Rest easy and don't lose any sleep over the Chance of me
ever running for President it will never happen.
Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

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[> Re: A message to Pat McGrath and Joe Smiley -- Sideshotom, 20:53:03 07/15/07 Sun (74-222-212-40.dyn.everestkc.net/74.222.212.40)

Sounds good to me Joe

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I just wanted to take a few minute's here and thank everyone that helped us Saturday night. In the heat of the moment it's easy to get caught up in what's going on and not thank the people that just went way out of their way to help you and that's what I want to do now. When we got back to the trailer after the throttle stuck Paul Day ran over wanting to know what happened and when I told him he just started working on it on his own. Tim Aufenorde ran over to help my brother figure out why the starter wouldn't engage and Ryan Welch's dad, for the life of me I can't remember his name, went out of his way to help us push start it every time. Between Paul, Jim Slade, Tim A., Ryan's dad, Butch Frantz, Ryan Frantz and everyone else that go out of their way to help us I just wanted to say thank's. It's because of racer's like you that me and Doug will be in this sport for as long as we can and do what we can to help support the track and the sport.
I do want to tell Ryan Frantz and Sonny thank's for talking me into running the Multi class. If Paul would have kept my brother and his wrench's away from the car I might have ran the whole damn feature! (just jokin Paul) For the first time since I started racing this thing I felt like I could win and I have to thank Paul, Jim, Butch and Ryan for helping us get the car set-up where it should be.
Thank's again to everyone involved!

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[> Re: Just wanted to say thank's! -- jeff (right on), 16:44:40 07/10/07 Tue (client-66-116-36-198.consolidated.net/66.116.36.198)

>I just wanted to take a few minute's here and thank
>everyone that helped us Saturday night. In the heat of
>the moment it's easy to get caught up in what's going
>on and not thank the people that just went way out of
>their way to help you and that's what I want to do
>now. When we got back to the trailer after the
>throttle stuck Paul Day ran over wanting to know what
>happened and when I told him he just started working
>on it on his own. Tim Aufenorde ran over to help my
>brother figure out why the starter wouldn't engage and
>Ryan Welch's dad, for the life of me I can't remember
>his name, went out of his way to help us push start it
>every time. Between Paul, Jim Slade, Tim A., Ryan's
>dad, Butch Frantz, Ryan Frantz and everyone else that
>go out of their way to help us I just wanted to say
>thank's. It's because of racer's like you that me and
>Doug will be in this sport for as long as we can and
>do what we can to help support the track and the
>sport.
> I do want to tell Ryan Frantz and Sonny thank's for
>talking me into running the Multi class. If Paul would
>have kept my brother and his wrench's away from the
>car I might have ran the whole damn feature! (just
>jokin Paul) For the first time since I started racing
>this thing I felt like I could win and I have to thank
>Paul, Jim, Butch and Ryan for helping us get the car
>set-up where it should be.
> Thank's again to everyone involved!



brent ur positive attitude is a much needed trend i wish we could all follow that ,is the true meaning of sportsman ship and good moral character, as a volunteer at cc id like too thankyou for all ur support and enthusiasm for our sport and our club its people like u that will always keep cc on the map we have nice race tracks all around us wayne co is close and they have a nice facility and friendly folks we r doing our thing marion all our fellow racers in in.
mo. if we could all remember the basics of sportsman ship all would be well thank you for your support

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" Wayne County Speedway -- Shannon, 10:17:15 07/09/07 Mon (dialup-4.159.98.85.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net/4.159.98.85)

The telephone line at the WCS has been repaired. Please call the track phone for weekly updated information. The number is 618-895-3269.
The July 13 race has been cancelled in honor of the Pike County race. The next race at WCS will be July 20. WCS has reduced the adult pit pass fee to $20. Childrens pit passes are $10. The staff and members of WCS invite all drivers and race fans to come and join them for a fun evening of racing.

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[> Re: Wayne County Speedway -- DAVE ROBINSON, 15:11:09 07/09/07 Mon (74-134-107-193.dhcp.insightbb.com/74.134.107.193)

now than just reduce it 10 more and drop the drivers fee to 20 and someone may show up

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" IT WILL NEVER FLY -- ED CARTER (ITS OVER), 07:21:00 07/07/07 Sat (client-216-176-88-241.consolidated.net/216.176.88.241)

This to all the ones that want to see the NMMA come back. It will never fly again. When all you can sew is hate what can grow from that. The only thing that will come is more hate. I personally hope me and my family are above that. Thats my opinion.

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[> Re: IT WILL NEVER FLY -- Steve, 22:36:40 07/07/07 Sat (ip68-97-205-23.ok.ok.cox.net/68.97.205.23)

>This to all the ones that want to see the NMMA come
>back. It will never fly again. When all you can sew is
>hate what can grow from that. The only thing that will
>come is more hate. I personally hope me and my family
>are above that. Thats my opinion.
Ed as bad as I hate to admit it,I believe you are correct

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" OVER $31000 Purse MO STATE SHOW-ME SHOWDOWN -- NIKKI, 15:45:51 07/01/07 Sun (dialup-4.88.165.98.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net/4.88.165.98)

Sweet Springs Motorsports Complex is having there MO State Show-Me Showdown on July 25-28. We will be extending our pre registration date back to July 7th. Please not that when you pay your entry fee that entry fee also covers your pitpass for Thurs, Friday & Sat. We hope to see you there. For more info please visit our website at www.sweetspringsraceway.com or you can email me at nicole1786@hotmail.com.

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[> Re: OVER $31000 Purse MO STATE SHOW-ME SHOWDOWN -- Nikki, 14:02:41 07/06/07 Fri (72-161-242-151.dyn.centurytel.net/72.161.242.151)

Time is running out to get your pre entry forms turned in.. Dont miss out..

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" A Class Rules and wonder if it is worth the effort. -- Brian, 20:12:08 07/03/07 Tue (pool-71-113-189-117.frstil.dsl-w.verizon.net/71.113.189.117)

Last year in the A class the rules included that you could run a single cyl. 4 stroke up to 600cc's with out limit to mods at 675#. The rules no longer list them anymore but the claimer says only 4cyl 600's maybe claimed. I am a big guy and looking for a way to cut weight and have found a 600cc Jawa. The second part of my header says something I here in all forms of racing, a bunch of whining. The difference here is the leadership of your organization. As a administrator from another sanctioning body I can tell you the stronger the leadership the more respect is recieved from the racers. I do not mean they have to rule with an iron fist but they need straight forward rules and policies and need to stick by their guns. It take alot of effort to run a series/organization, I have already started on the 2008 season by roughly seeing what tracks want us to come race and setting up a National. If the leadership is not getting that done nor has a solid plan then they need to be replaced. I didnt say you had to agree with their plan, everyone has their own ideas of how things should go and generally it is the way that benefits them most. It is a tough job and everyone should appreciate the effort put forth by all, but if there is no communication about policies to improve the status quo and a lack of planning to move forward everone together should call for a major change. Well I hope someone can answer my rules question as the Presidents email is no longer in service, real good communication huh.
Brian

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[> Re: A Class Rules and wonder if it is worth the effort. -- Steve, 06:31:22 07/04/07 Wed (ip68-97-205-23.ok.ok.cox.net/68.97.205.23)

>Last year in the A class the rules included that you
>could run a single cyl. 4 stroke up to 600cc's with
>out limit to mods at 675#. The rules no longer list
>them anymore but the claimer says only 4cyl 600's
>maybe claimed. I am a big guy and looking for a way
>to cut weight and have found a 600cc Jawa. The second
>part of my header says something I here in all forms
>of racing, a bunch of whining. The difference here is
>the leadership of your organization. As a
>administrator from another sanctioning body I can tell
>you the stronger the leadership the more respect is
>recieved from the racers. I do not mean they have to
>rule with an iron fist but they need straight forward
>rules and policies and need to stick by their guns.
>It take alot of effort to run a series/organization, I
>have already started on the 2008 season by roughly
>seeing what tracks want us to come race and setting up
>a National. If the leadership is not getting that
>done nor has a solid plan then they need to be
>replaced. I didnt say you had to agree with their
>plan, everyone has their own ideas of how things
>should go and generally it is the way that benefits
>them most. It is a tough job and everyone should
>appreciate the effort put forth by all, but if there
>is no communication about policies to improve the
>status quo and a lack of planning to move forward
>everone together should call for a major change. Well
>I hope someone can answer my rules question as the
>Presidents email is no longer in service, real good
>communication huh.
>Brian
Brian;I have been trying for weeks for a responce from ANY NMMA official to no avail,its kind of like a slap in the face to us former members as well as potential new ones.The only good thing through all this is big D's wife Dorothy did send an e-mail to me,that was nice.As far as this motor question,the NMMA is irrellevent,the rule used to be "ANY 600" Briggs&Stratton,Hodaka,Mercury even Honda.Check with your local track.Some of these rules will vary from track to track.Race on bro.

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[> Re: A Class Rules and wonder if it is worth the effort. -- NEW GUY, 09:01:45 07/04/07 Wed (d17-33.rt2-bras.clm.centurytel.net/69.29.37.33)

I was a prospective member, But after several unanswered questions, I have thrown my completed application in the garbage can just last night.

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[> [> Re: A Class Rules and wonder if it is worth the effort. -- Brian, 09:51:00 07/04/07 Wed (pool-71-113-189-117.frstil.dsl-w.verizon.net/71.113.189.117)

>I was a prospective member, But after several
>unanswered questions, I have thrown my completed
>application in the garbage can just last night.

Boy, they do alot to promote and grow their sport!!!!

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[> Re: A Class Rules and wonder if it is worth the effort. -- Joe Smiley EVP, 18:18:05 07/04/07 Wed (c-68-52-171-217.hsd1.tn.comcast.net/68.52.171.217)

>Brian the NMMA is not as some would like to believe dead.
We still have a Board of Directors in place.
You may or not know we held a mid winter meeting in St Louis,MO and listened to what every one was wanting us to
do in regards to our Rules.If you have looked on our web site you will see that the new rules for 2008 gave the Drivers and the Track promoters everything they wanted.
We have heard for years that our Rule Books were to hard
to read and understand so we took the Competion Rule Book
and went page by page and rule by rule and either made
it simpler,did away with it,or moved it to the Gov.Rule
Book if that was where it should have been in the first place.
When we left St Louis we were very proud and happy over what we had done.
Then one by one all of the Santioned Tracks Voted to
go Outlaw even after we gave them the rules package they
told us they wanted.
The NMMA and its Board of Directors will have a meeting
in August and see where we are now and what we need to do next.
It is our sincere hope that after the drivers see that
without a National Org.and a standerized Rule Book it
is hard to run at more than one track because each track
and or promoter is making their own track rules.
Feel free to send me an E Mail and ask any Question you want and I will try to give you an answer.Please don't
ask me any thing about Loretta or the Audit.This is
being handled by the President as it should be.
My E Mail address is bdsmiley@comcast.net.

Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

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[> [> Re: A Class Rules and wonder if it is worth the effort. -- Brian, 19:31:23 07/04/07 Wed (pool-71-113-189-117.frstil.dsl-w.verizon.net/71.113.189.117)

>>Brian the NMMA is not as some would like to believe
>dead.
>We still have a Board of Directors in place.
>You may or not know we held a mid winter meeting in St
>Louis,MO and listened to what every one was wanting us
>to
>do in regards to our Rules.If you have looked on our
>web site you will see that the new rules for 2008 gave
>the Drivers and the Track promoters everything they
>wanted.
>We have heard for years that our Rule Books were to
>hard
>to read and understand so we took the Competion Rule
>Book
>and went page by page and rule by rule and either made
>it simpler,did away with it,or moved it to the Gov.Rule
>Book if that was where it should have been in the
>first place.
> When we left St Louis we were very proud and happy
>over what we had done.
> Then one by one all of the Santioned Tracks Voted to
>go Outlaw even after we gave them the rules package
>they
>told us they wanted.
> The NMMA and its Board of Directors will have a
>meeting
>in August and see where we are now and what we need to
>do next.
> It is our sincere hope that after the drivers see
>that
>without a National Org.and a standerized Rule Book it
>is hard to run at more than one track because each
>track
>and or promoter is making their own track rules.
> Feel free to send me an E Mail and ask any Question
>you want and I will try to give you an answer.Please
>don't
>ask me any thing about Loretta or the Audit.This is
>being handled by the President as it should be.
> My E Mail address is bdsmiley@comcast.net.
>
> Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

Joe, from what you just said and what I hear from people in the sport and on this forum I have to ask why are you waiting till Aug? This org. is in trouble, its not answering questions posed by its members let alone potential members. I think the 1st question that must be asked is why all your tracks went outlaw even after you gave them everything they asked for. The next thing is that if you are not willing to inform the members of progress in an audit situation that creates an aire of corruption within the organization. You have put the initials EVP after your name, I take that stands for Executive Vice President and you are not a part of it. Every officer in this org. should be updated daily and members should have a detailed report weekly. I can say this because my wife is an accountant. As for the Loretta thing I dont know anything about it but, again complete disclosure is the first way to regain trust. As for needing a National organization the drivers have one in the PowrI series not to mention some very top notch sponsors. As for stanardized rules PowrI has those as well. As far as I see it you are fighting an uphill battle and the board of directors better do something fast. These are just my opinions however I am 1 of 10 administrators of a growing racing org. and have some insight how things should work. I will email my private info to you if you wish to discuss the issues at hand and give you an outside perspective.
Brian

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[> [> [> Re: A Class Rules and wonder if it is worth the effort. -- Joe Smiley EVP, 16:26:46 07/05/07 Thu (c-68-52-171-217.hsd1.tn.comcast.net/68.52.171.217)

>>>Brian EVP stands for Eastern Vice President there is also a
Western Vice President ( Dean Hathman )
As for the meeting being set for Aug. that is up to the
President Pat McGrath

Thanks Joe Smiley Eastern VP and Senoir VP

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[> Re: A Class Rules and wonder if it is worth the effort. -- Joe Smiley EVP, 18:47:44 07/04/07 Wed (c-68-52-171-217.hsd1.tn.comcast.net/68.52.171.217)

>Brian sorry I did not answer your question about the 600cc
single motor.
I ran a car for many years with a 600cc ROTAX motor and it
was a lot of fun.Most of the cars then ran either a ROTAX
a JAWA or a HONDA.There were a few KAW's but not many.
We ran in the A CLASS before the 4cylinder 600cc was brought into
that Class At that time I tryed to run my single cyl 600
aganist the 4 cyl 600cc motors and spent a lot of money
trying to prove it could be done.After blowing up four motors I gave up and retired my car.I still have it and
it still has a Single 600 one it.
The ROTAX was the choice of most back then and the JAWA
was second.The problem with the JAWA is it has no Trans.
so you have to come up with something else somewhat like
the single Harley.
Thanks and good luck Joe Smiley EVP

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[> [> Re: A Class Rules and wonder if it is worth the effort. -- Steve, 21:46:52 07/04/07 Wed (ip68-97-205-23.ok.ok.cox.net/68.97.205.23)

>>Brian sorry I did not answer your question about the
>600cc
>single motor.
>I ran a car for many years with a 600cc ROTAX motor
>and it
>was a lot of fun.Most of the cars then ran either a
>ROTAX
>a JAWA or a HONDA.There were a few KAW's but not many.
>We ran in the A CLASS before the 4cylinder 600cc was
>brought into
>that Class At that time I tryed to run my single cyl
>600
>aganist the 4 cyl 600cc motors and spent a lot of money
>trying to prove it could be done.After blowing up four
>motors I gave up and retired my car.I still have it and
>it still has a Single 600 one it.
> The ROTAX was the choice of most back then and the
>JAWA
>was second.The problem with the JAWA is it has no
>Trans.
>so you have to come up with something else somewhat
>like
>the single Harley.
>Thanks and good luck Joe Smiley EVP
Hello Joe I hope you are well,You say the NMMA B of D are going to have a meeting in Aug,I as well as sveral other folks on here,would like to read, what has been desided,so after all said and done of the meeting,would you please get on this very forum,let us know what is planning to happen.It does'nt matter how long the post is,we would appreciate it if you would let us truthfully know.Thank you Steve

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Hi all,

Just a short note for those interested. The NMMA Pit Stop website will be officially closing July 31, 2007. If anyone is interested in viewing the archived issues and information, now is the time.

I would just like to say a big "THANK YOU!!" to all of the board members (past and present), reporters, advertisers, track promoters and members that I had the privilege of working with for the better part of 10 years. I had a blast working on this project and being a part of the NMMA. The effort was truly a labor of love. I will miss it!

I wish the powers that be all the luck in re-establishing the NMMA.

Thanks for your time.

Judy Webb
Former Editor, Pit Stop Magazine

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[> Re: Pit Stop website will close July 31 -- Jim Slade (president of Coles County Speedway), 06:39:07 07/02/07 Mon (12-201-47-148.client.mchsi.com/12.201.47.148)


A BIG Thank-You to you, Judy , for all you did for the NMMA !
You will be missed.

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What was out come of audit? If I missed results I'm sorry.

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[> Re: audit -- Mary Ellen Harris, 15:53:50 06/21/07 Thu (client-67-58-230-23.consolidated.net/67.58.230.23)

No you have not missed the results. They are still working on the books.

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[> Re: audit -- Tom, 08:42:12 06/22/07 Fri (216-43-39-185.dsl.mcleodusa.net/216.43.39.185)

How long does it take? come on it's been months and all we get is they are still working on it. Who are they? Are they professionals? Are they doing this on the side or is this a 8 to 5 job and if so WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG. I get the feeling the people in charge are hoping that if nobody says anything
this whole thing may just go away. So JOE and Pat What's up with this are we ever going to here anything about this from you other than "still working on it" Thanks TOM

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[> [> Re: audit -- Mary Ellen Harris, 06:08:52 06/23/07 Sat (client-67-58-230-23.consolidated.net/67.58.230.23)

It took a long time to get started on the audit because of tax season. Auditing takes a very long time. Can you imagine taking a bunch of papers from an orginization you have never dealt with and trying to make any sense of it. I am also hoping that they take their time and do a good job. I am told that a forensic audit takes alot longer than a regular audit.

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[> [> Re: audit -- Steve, 21:40:25 06/25/07 Mon (ip68-97-196-29.ok.ok.cox.net/68.97.196.29)

>How long does it take? come on it's been months and
>all we get is they are still working on it. Who are
>they? Are they professionals? Are they doing this on
>the side or is this a 8 to 5 job and if so WHY IS IT
>TAKING SO LONG. I get the feeling the people in
>charge are hoping that if nobody says anything
>this whole thing may just go away. So JOE and Pat
>What's up with this are we ever going to here anything
>about this from you other than "still working on it"
>Thanks TOM Cmon Pat or Joe the man asked a fair and simple question.If niether of you can answer the man or any of the rest of the people out here (which are mostly former members)maybe it would be best if you step aside and let someone who will get results or better yet bring this org back to the level it should be.

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[> WHAT ABOUT THE NMMA -- Tom, 18:47:09 06/25/07 Mon (74-222-212-40.dyn.everestkc.net/74.222.212.40)

Thank you for the reply a little info helps a lot to understand what is going on. So what is going on with the NMMA
ANYTHING? How about some info on the state of the NMMA IS JOE and PAT doing the same old thing NOTHING or is some progress being made? A little info would be VERY TIMELY there are a lot of current and past members waiting to see what happens looking for some hope that our national org. will come back to
life. Please give us something... tell us what you are doing even if it's nothing.If you stay silent we will assume that nothing is what is happening, Thanks TOM

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[> [> Re: WHAT ABOUT THE NMMA -- Gary, 12:54:47 07/01/07 Sun (67-72-98-45.propel.com/67.72.98.45)

bump?anything new Tom has a good question.

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" 2007 MO State Show-Me Showdown at SSMC (BIG MONEY) -- NIKKI, 13:02:02 06/18/07 Mon (72-161-242-151.dyn.centurytel.net/72.161.242.151)

I would like to remind everyone of the big show that Sweet Springs Motorsports Complex is having on July 25-28, 2007. We have a GAURENTEED PURSE OF $31,815 plus lots of contingencies. Dont miss out on this big Race. Please go to www.sweetspringsraceway.com to fill out your entry form and for addtional information. Pre entries are due by July 1st.

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[> Re: 2007 MO State Show-Me Showdown at SSMC (31000 PURSE) -- Nikki, 14:29:57 06/29/07 Fri (72-161-242-151.dyn.centurytel.net/72.161.242.151)

Sweet Springs Motorsports Complex is going to be having the MO State Show-me Showdown on July 25-28. We have a guaranteed purse of over $31000 plus contingencies. Dont miss out. For more info go to www.sweetspringsraceway.com or you can email me at nicole1786@hotmail.com

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Has anyone noticed? The bigger purses that are being paid by the tracks in ILL. and Mo. Since they have went Outlaw! Wayne City and Charleston cried and cried that the cars form Indiana would not travel to their big NMMA Shows. They were told that if they changed their purse the cars would come. They refused and blamed Indiana and split the Region. I would be the first to admit that the NMMA had it’s share of problems but what is it that has change to encourage the bigger and more fair purses? I promoted a race track for over 6 years and served as an NMMA board member so I can’t believe that the extra money comes from not sending the NMMA a hundred or so bucks every week for a sanction fee! I believe that this is some fuel for thought and the current NMMA board should investigate!

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[> Re: HAS Anyone Noticed?????? -- Steve, 11:35:37 06/28/07 Thu (ip68-97-196-29.ok.ok.cox.net/68.97.196.29)

>Has anyone noticed? The bigger purses that are being
>paid by the tracks in ILL. and Mo. Since they have
>went Outlaw! Wayne City and Charleston cried and
>cried that the cars form Indiana would not travel to
>their big NMMA Shows. They were told that if they
>changed their purse the cars would come. They refused
>and blamed Indiana and split the Region. I would be
>the first to admit that the NMMA had it’s share of
>problems but what is it that has change to encourage
>the bigger and more fair purses? I promoted a race
>track for over 6 years and served as an NMMA board
>member so I can’t believe that the extra money comes
>from not sending the NMMA a hundred or so bucks every
>week for a sanction fee! I believe that this is some
>fuel for thought and the current NMMA board should
>investigate!
Good point, even though that is not the case around okla.can see where a good track promoter would pay more if they wanted to keep high # car counts=fans in the stands.Some promoters are too greety I guess.My concern is this,No major sanctioning body or organization that is throughout the U.S,will all the different outlaw tracks loose touch with a basic set of rules or car specs that the only track we can race at is the one track 18 miles down the road?I was planning to go to Tulsa but they allow that on their motors plus nothing less than 80 sq ft on the wing.Just an example there bros,does everyone see my point? I am a former member of the NMMA,It was nice when I knew I could load up my car and go race anywhere in the country.Now we have Poweri maybe that is the new ticket.

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[> Re: HAS Anyone Noticed?????? -- Brent, 12:02:04 06/28/07 Thu (client-216-176-81-143.consolidated.net/216.176.81.143)

No need to investigate. Have you even bothered to ask anyone about it before insinuating that something doesn't add up? I think if you sent an e-mail to Mary Ellen asking her POLITELY how this is being done then she will POLITELY give you your answer. No need to get on here and post something that basically accuses people of something when you obviously don't know anything. I know a lot of the people at Coles County are working their butt's off to make thing's like this happen, so show a little respect.

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[> [> Re: HAS Anyone Noticed?????? -- Steve, 21:47:28 06/28/07 Thu (ip68-97-196-29.ok.ok.cox.net/68.97.196.29)

>No need to investigate. Have you even bothered to ask
>anyone about it before insinuating that something
>doesn't add up? I think if you sent an e-mail to Mary
>Ellen asking her POLITELY how this is being done then
>she will POLITELY give you your answer. No need to get
>on here and post something that basically accuses
>people of something when you obviously don't know
>anything. I know a lot of the people at Coles County
>are working their butt's off to make thing's like this
>happen, so show a little respect.
Ease up Brent,Mr Smith just made a fair observation that also seemed to me as polite.Does he not have that right?You also mentioned that there are a lot of people @ Coles speedway that are working on the NMMA thing,would you be so kind and ask one of them to please come on this message forum to politely let us know what is going on,or what is the status of the NMMA?There are many kind folks that have questions to ask,Its been long enough,these potential members might would like to know.Respectfully The Smo-man

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[> [> [> Re: HAS Anyone Noticed?????? -- Brent, 06:45:56 06/29/07 Fri (client-216-176-81-143.consolidated.net/216.176.81.143)

>Ease up Brent,Mr Smith just made a fair observation
>that also seemed to me as polite.Does he not have that
>right?You also mentioned that there are a lot of
>people @ Coles speedway that are working on the NMMA
>thing,would you be so kind and ask one of them to
>please come on this message forum to politely let us
>know what is going on,or what is the status of the
>NMMA?There are many kind folks that have questions to
>ask,Its been long enough,these potential members might
>would like to know.Respectfully The Smo-man

He was talking about how the track's are suddenly having higher purses and how this might want to be investigated. There isn't anyone working on the NMMA, at least not at this track that I know of. We are working our butt's off trying to do everything we can to raise the purses and provide a great show for the fans and the driver's. All I was telling him to do was e-mail an officer of the track and ask her how purses are going up since we are not with the NMMA anymore instead of immediately coming on here and insinuating that something "shady" is going on. I'm not trying to be a rude ass, but I don't like someone coming on here and insinuating thing's without asking question's with a little respect to them. I could probably guess and say that Loretta's involvement in this track had a lot to do with driver's not wanting to come to Coles County and now that she is gone it is making somewhat of a difference.
In response to the NMMA I don't think too many people are going to pay too much attention until Pat is gone. I think it is pretty obvious that he is going to ride it into the ground since he can't even tell the potential member's what the hell is going on and what they are planning, if anything. The simple fact that they are being so quiet about it tells me they aren't doing squat. If they were you would think the opinion's they would want would be that of the driver's they would be trying to attract and as far as I can tell that's the one thing they don't want.

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[> Re: HAS Anyone Noticed?????? -- dfritz, 12:55:15 06/28/07 Thu (ecolnk.ecolab.com/204.69.40.7)

>Has anyone noticed? The bigger purses that are being
>paid by the tracks in ILL. and Mo. Since they have
>went Outlaw! Wayne City and Charleston cried and
>cried that the cars form Indiana would not travel to
>their big NMMA Shows. They were told that if they
>changed their purse the cars would come. They refused
>and blamed Indiana and split the Region. I would be
>the first to admit that the NMMA had it’s share of
>problems but what is it that has change to encourage
>the bigger and more fair purses? I promoted a race
>track for over 6 years and served as an NMMA board
>member so I can’t believe that the extra money comes
>from not sending the NMMA a hundred or so bucks every
>week for a sanction fee! I believe that this is some
>fuel for thought and the current NMMA board should
>investigate!

At WRP in Lincoln, NE, last year when we won the "A" feature we got around $30, this year it was $95.

With no NMMA the rules are simple, less teching, less personnal problems from people to people, and a stronger car count.

In my opinion, Waverly is going better and enjoying the season more than in years past.

dfritz

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" NMMA -- Steve, 05:13:11 06/28/07 Thu (ip68-97-196-29.ok.ok.cox.net/68.97.196.29)

It looks as if none of the NMMA officials are planning to revive the NMMA,none will answer questions about what is going on.Will miss all friends met through nats,etc.Maybe we can hold out hope for Poweri.Best of luck to all,keep it fun,keep it safe.Later Big D maybe Ill get to see you once again one day

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[> Re: NMMA DEAD AT 51 -- TOM, 08:04:15 06/28/07 Thu (216-43-39-185.dsl.mcleodusa.net/216.43.39.185)

Steve it looks like you are right, it appears our leaders have there heads in the sand. They have said that they were working on a plan and the NMMA would be great once again BUT it's been months going on a year? I'm not sure it's Just like the audit "still working on it". It's VERY sad that people run for office just to sit back and let it go to the dump or at least from this vantage point that is very much what it looks like.If by chance I'm wrong this is the very best place to show all of us whats is current and coming for the NMMA.I have to think no response just proves my point come on PAT and or JOE again tell us whats up tell us if you are going to let it just DIE or let us in on whats happening for the future.I hope I'm way wrong about this and I'm looking to the leaders for some response but so far there has been none... it's a very sad thing. TOM

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" $500 to win @ Coles County Speedway! -- Brent, 19:29:28 06/25/07 Mon (client-67-58-248-63.consolidated.net/67.58.248.63)

July 7th Coles County will have a $500 to win for any class that has at least 18 cars. If you didn't notice Jim's previous post, they have also opened up the rules on the non-wing class so now they fall under the same rules as the multi/outlaws except for the wing's. Should be a great night of racing, hope to see you there! If you have any question's please feel free to ask, thanks.

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