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" Thank You -- Dwayne, 12:40:09 11/27/06 Mon (static-66-14-202-160.bdsl.verizon.net/66.14.202.160)

Miami County Speedway would like to thank all of our Racers and friends for making our 2006 Banquet a success. We would also like to thank the people for the doorprizes and awards, Carquest of Logansport for the Frame Powercoat, Shafer Racing for the oil, Clems Cycle Sales for the gift certificates and T Shirts, Coca Cola for the Shirts and Drink glasses, Fred Patton for the great Photos, Red Dot Throphy for the Rookie Trophies, The NMMA for the Trophies and Certificates and Region 1 for the beautiful Jackets

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" HMMMM -- Jake, 20:13:10 11/23/06 Thu (dialup-4.159.56.114.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net/4.159.56.114)

Can anyone tell me who's missing from all these debates on what can make the NMMA better?

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[> Re: HMMMM -- ed carter (will it make a differene????), 09:24:19 11/25/06 Sat (client-216-176-88-192.consolidated.net/216.176.88.192)

>Can anyone tell me who's missing from all these
>debates on what can make the NMMA better? thats the problem they seem to care then it goes the other way out site out mind hey that could be put in the rule book might as well make a joke seems like they do ?

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" Poll of the Week and Photos added -- Curt, 19:40:44 11/24/06 Fri (NoHost/72.25.42.180)

The newest poll has been posted at www.shredracing.com

A series of photos of Mike's wild flip at LANCO's Labor Day Shootout have also been posted.

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" nmma personel -- troy, 15:15:25 11/21/06 Tue (adsl-70-234-38-155.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net/70.234.38.155)

the nmma is all most gone. lets think about this. some of the people that have raced the nmma for a while might agree. some of the post are real close to personal attacks. joe smiley will a least call or stop to talk to a person if the ask, even if he is in a hurry. he may not have the answer but he dose care. he is to only one that is replying to e-mails and has called me. think about this, just my opinion. joe smiley, dean hathman, ralph cortze, and richard kreisel in a room looking for the answers. i think they can find them and this is a plus, i think they would even let evey body else know what they are thinking or ask for in put.

troy

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[> Re: nmma personel -- Brent, 12:42:02 11/22/06 Wed (client-216-176-81-143.consolidated.net/216.176.81.143)

>the nmma is all most gone. lets think about this. some
>of the people that have raced the nmma for a while
>might agree. some of the post are real close to
>personal attacks. joe smiley will a least call or stop
>to talk to a person if the ask, even if he is in a
>hurry. he may not have the answer but he dose care. he
>is to only one that is replying to e-mails and has
>called me. think about this, just my opinion. joe
>smiley, dean hathman, ralph cortze, and richard
>kreisel in a room looking for the answers. i think
>they can find them and this is a plus, i think they
>would even let evey body else know what they are
>thinking or ask for in put.
>
>troy

I will try to explain part of what everyone is saying. This is not about one individual and if he cares or not. Everyone that gives their opinion on here cares that's why we give our opinion. The NMMA is losing tracks by the handful and driver's too. We want to reverse this but it seems like it is going into deaf ear's! Nothing has been done to try and eliminate some of the goofy rules that do nothing but seperate the NMMA from the other track's and driver's. There is no promotion or marketing at all and it seems like every time a decision is to be made then it takes months just so 4 of 5 people can vote on it. If it's in the best interest for everyone involved then why not give it a try. The NMMA can't be run like it was 20 or 30 years ago and we are finding this out the hard way. Another thing that has the NMMA driver's in a tizzy is the fact they we pay all this money to join and there appear's to be no way of having a payout for the top ten in point's. Since there is obviously no money being well spent on promotion or marketing, then what happen's to it all? This is an honest question, not an argument. The definition of insanity is making the same decision over and over again and expecting a different result. So are we really surprised that the NMMA is in this bad situation?

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[> [> Re: nmma personel -- wade Huisman, 09:01:47 11/24/06 Fri (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

The question of "where did all the money go" is probably one that will not be answered. For 50 years this org has taken in money on Membership fee's, Pitpasses, insurance inflation, & tire sales & it has obviously been absorbed somewhere. 100's of 1000's of dollars???? This is the something that confuses me the most.

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" Thank you Doug Stringer -- JK, 13:42:25 11/23/06 Thu (234-123.ip.ll.net/209.131.234.123)

After reading and witnessed what happened to Mr. Neal and the way his 12 year old son was treated and talked to, all of you on the board of directors should go to the lawyers office of the nmma and turn in your resignation. The man came to you for help and you let a outsider that promotes outlaw racing make the final call. This is SICK. IF THIS HAD REACHED THE NEWSPAPERS, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IN JAIL AND UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR CHILD ABUSE!!!
You are lucky the man decited the nmma was lost and didn't need saving. So you lost SIR..
As far as any body saving the nmma, the only name I have heard that could save it was Ralf and he is in cal.!!
Floyd Bailey was the only one we have seen that went out of his way to bring us a national points fund and all of the top ten didn't handle it correctly. Thank you Floyd!!!!!!! Hardly any thank you letters to the sponcers.

Wonder why you are loosing tracks? LOOK AT YOUR SELF MR PRESS, MR VP'S AND THE BOARD. At the nationals you made all the wrong turns. We all saw it, from carberators to fiberglass that was all taken care of during the Cortez years, to screwing with a 12year old kid and his dad and lieing.

DUUUU ,,,, we need another meeting for some more rules.
Stick to the ones you have!!! and USE THEM AS THEY ARE WRITTEN.
It's not too late to redeme your selves. Maybe god does have a way to take down nmma.

Ps: If you need to reply, go back to the top and read again and again, its real!!!!
Goodbye

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[> Re: Thank you Doug Stringer -- dude, 14:17:01 11/23/06 Thu (148.sub-70-212-58.myvzw.com/70.212.58.148)

FYI, I am making a copy of all the posts, cause you know the pres will have these deleted. Reminds me of the leadership of a third world country. dont know much about sir but I wish them luck, the official wayne county with their 15 cars in 4 classes will be next to fold, too bad nice folks i hear. The nats goat roping has to be one of the best they have pulled off in some time, they are lucky these folks have to much else going on, they should have taken legal action, have a hunch they just had more pity than anger or time >

After reading and witnessed what happened to Mr. Neal
>and the way his 12 year old son was treated and talked
>to, all of you on the board of directors should go to
>the lawyers office of the nmma and turn in your
>resignation. The man came to you for help and you let
>a outsider that promotes outlaw racing make the final
>call. This is SICK. IF THIS HAD REACHED THE
>NEWSPAPERS, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IN JAIL AND UNDER
>INVESTIGATION FOR CHILD ABUSE!!!
> You are lucky the man decited the nmma was lost and
>didn't need saving. So you lost SIR..
> As far as any body saving the nmma, the only name I
>have heard that could save it was Ralf and he is in
>cal.!!
> Floyd Bailey was the only one we have seen that went
>out of his way to bring us a national points fund and
>all of the top ten didn't handle it correctly. Thank
>you Floyd!!!!!!! Hardly any thank you letters to the
>sponcers.
>
>Wonder why you are loosing tracks? LOOK AT YOUR SELF
>MR PRESS, MR VP'S AND THE BOARD. At the nationals you
>made all the wrong turns. We all saw it, from
>carberators to fiberglass that was all taken care of
>during the Cortez years, to screwing with a 12year old
>kid and his dad and lieing.
>
>DUUUU ,,,, we need another meeting for some more
>rules.
> Stick to the ones you have!!! and USE THEM AS THEY
>ARE WRITTEN.
> It's not too late to redeme your selves. Maybe god
>does have a way to take down nmma.
>
> Ps: If you need to reply, go back to the top and read
>again and again, its real!!!!
> Goodbye

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[> Suggestions to save NMMA -- Terry Palmisano, 15:15:54 11/23/06 Thu (dial-159-84.shawneelink.net/206.125.159.84)

1) show absolutely no favoritism on the part of Officials
The incident at SIR was handled by the book; a certain National level official showed up to try to abort the engine claim on the Region Chairmans' car but found out that all rules were followed. So the Region Chairman involved provoked Neals pit crew to nullify the engine claim. The national board should have intervened and pulled the claimed engine driver's and pit crews' cards. Instead they put the Neals on probation on the national level official's advice. What stinks here?
2) Don't have scorers in the tower making calls on what happens on the track. They are there to score only. The Ref and track flagmen are there to make the calls.
At the Nationls this year a scorer in the tower made a call in the restrictor class that was way out in left field!
3) Do what the membership votes, not what the board wants
4) let members make the rules in thier own class; don't let a multi vote on rules in the Jr or Res. class and vice versa don't let the JR'S and res make rules for the multi class.
5) have some sort of instruction class for the track officials. Set then down and go over the rules so they understand what's going on.
6) Select a committee to go after sponsors and construct a national points payout.
7) no wishywasy decisions; do it by the BOOK since you have a rule book follow it to the letter.
8) Since most are going outlaw for a bigger purse they have to pay more to race $50 most places, Lower the fee to join the NMMA and raise entry fees and pit passes so there will be bigger purses.

I can think of a lot more be I don't type well (hunt & peck) maybe more later.

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[> Re: Thank you Doug Stringer -- Lucas Owen, 17:54:01 11/23/06 Thu (dialup-4.254.73.35.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net/4.254.73.35)

>After reading and witnessed what happened to Mr. Neal
>and the way his 12 year old son was treated and talked
>to, all of you on the board of directors should go to
>the lawyers office of the nmma and turn in your
>resignation. The man came to you for help and you let
>a outsider that promotes outlaw racing make the final
>call. This is SICK. IF THIS HAD REACHED THE
>NEWSPAPERS, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IN JAIL AND UNDER
>INVESTIGATION FOR CHILD ABUSE!!!
> You are lucky the man decited the nmma was lost and
>didn't need saving. So you lost SIR..
> As far as any body saving the nmma, the only name I
>have heard that could save it was Ralf and he is in
>cal.!!
> Floyd Bailey was the only one we have seen that went
>out of his way to bring us a national points fund and
>all of the top ten didn't handle it correctly. Thank
>you Floyd!!!!!!! Hardly any thank you letters to the
>sponcers.
>
>Wonder why you are loosing tracks? LOOK AT YOUR SELF
>MR PRESS, MR VP'S AND THE BOARD. At the nationals you
>made all the wrong turns. We all saw it, from
>carberators to fiberglass that was all taken care of
>during the Cortez years, to screwing with a 12year old
>kid and his dad and lieing.
>
>DUUUU ,,,, we need another meeting for some more
>rules.
> Stick to the ones you have!!! and USE THEM AS THEY
>ARE WRITTEN.
> It's not too late to redeme your selves. Maybe god
>does have a way to take down nmma.
>
> Ps: If you need to reply, go back to the top and read
>again and again, its real!!!!
> Goodbye
Terry, all of your idea's are EXACTLY what needs to be done.

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[> Re: Thank you Doug Stringer -- Danny, 20:51:33 11/23/06 Thu (NoHost/63.167.47.44)

>After reading and witnessed what happened to Mr. Neal
>and the way his 12 year old son was treated and talked
>to, all of you on the board of directors should go to
>the lawyers office of the nmma and turn in your
>resignation. The man came to you for help and you let
>a outsider that promotes outlaw racing make the final
>call. This is SICK. IF THIS HAD REACHED THE
>NEWSPAPERS, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IN JAIL AND UNDER
>INVESTIGATION FOR CHILD ABUSE!!!
> You are lucky the man decited the nmma was lost and
>didn't need saving. So you lost SIR..
> As far as any body saving the nmma, the only name I
>have heard that could save it was Ralf and he is in
>cal.!!
> Floyd Bailey was the only one we have seen that went
>out of his way to bring us a national points fund and
>all of the top ten didn't handle it correctly. Thank
>you Floyd!!!!!!! Hardly any thank you letters to the
>sponcers.
>
>Wonder why you are loosing tracks? LOOK AT YOUR SELF
>MR PRESS, MR VP'S AND THE BOARD. At the nationals you
>made all the wrong turns. We all saw it, from
>carberators to fiberglass that was all taken care of
>during the Cortez years, to screwing with a 12year old
>kid and his dad and lieing.
>
>DUUUU ,,,, we need another meeting for some more
>rules.
> Stick to the ones you have!!! and USE THEM AS THEY
>ARE WRITTEN.
> It's not too late to redeme your selves. Maybe god
>does have a way to take down nmma.
>
> Ps: If you need to reply, go back to the top and read
>again and again, its real!!!!
> Goodbye

I personally know Doug Stringer and think highly of him and all of his accomplishments in the racing industry. I'm sure all the young drivers have dreams of someday racing in the big leagues. Maybe we should listen to some of the suggestions made. This might keep the young people involved. As of right now, the desire is disappearing because of all the incidents that have occurred. The young drivers are the future. Keep them involved and make it fun for them. They're under enough pressure as it is. I'm from Region 2 and would like to hear some comments from our directors and Region representatives.

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" If you want change, then let's hear your suggestion -- Brent, 19:43:15 11/19/06 Sun (client-66-116-1-227.consolidated.net/66.116.1.227)

I'm not trying to burn bridges here folk's but I am willing to throw this question out there

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[> Re: If you want change, then let's hear your suggestion -- microo21, 06:53:29 11/20/06 Mon (12-214-232-52.client.mchsi.com/12.214.232.52)

>I'm not trying to burn bridges here folk's but I am
>willing to throw this question out there
i was a nmma member but the cost to sing on was to much the nearest rack is 4 hours drive if there bring the sign on fee down i will come back and the rule changes got to stop!!
these are not smart rules they just make people mad and not want to race who really cares what size wing you run and if its 4in or 10in below the cage? stop nit picking the drivers or there wont be an nmma just my two cents!!!

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[> Re: If you want change, then let's hear your suggestion -- Andy Brink, 14:55:47 11/20/06 Mon (NoHost/12.206.94.197)

I say the nmma needs to be more track freindly. They need to give tracks a reason to rejoin or join the nmma. What they currently have in place obviously is not working. Unless you live close to a nmma track it is not worth what they charge to join the nmma for racing a couple of times a year. I feel we really need a national organization because rules are too much to differant between non nmma tracks. The nmma needs to admit there is a problem when they only cover three states. Just my two cents worth. Andy Brink

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[> Re: If you want change, then let's hear your suggestion -- BOB, 21:40:33 11/20/06 Mon (adsl-69-155-108-185.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net/69.155.108.185)

NEED TO LEAVE THE NOSE WING RULE ALONE IN THE (R)AND THE (A)CLASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!GET IT

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[> Re: If you want change, then let's hear your suggestion -- Terry Palmisano, 14:54:21 11/23/06 Thu (dial-159-84.shawneelink.net/206.125.159.84)

1) show absolutely no favoritism on the part of Officials
The incident at SIR was handled by the book; a certain National level official showed up to try to abort the engine claim on the Region Chairmans' car but found out that all rules were followed. So the Region Chairman involved provoked Neals pit crew to nullify the engine claim. The national board should have intervened and pulled the claimed engine driver's and pit crews' cards. Instead they put the Neals on probation on the national level official's advice. What stinks here?
2) Don't have scorers in the tower making calls on what happens on the track. They are there to score only. The Ref and track flagmen are there to make the calls.
At the Nationls this year a scorer in the tower made a call in the restrictor class that was way out in left field!
3) Do what the membership votes, not what the board wants
4) let members make the rules in thier own class; don't let a multi vote on rules in the Jr or Res. class and vice versa don't let the JR'S and res make rules for the multi class.
5) have some sort of instruction class for the track officials. Set then down and go over the rules so they understand what's going on.
6) Select a committee to go after sponsors and construct a national points payout.
7) no wishywasy decisions; do it by the BOOK since you have a rule book follow it to the letter.
8) Since most are going outlaw for a bigger purse they have to pay more to race $50 most places, Lower the fee to join the NMMA and raise entry fees and pit passes so there will be bigger purses.

I can think of a lot more be I don't type well (hunt & peck) maybe more later.

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" NMMA Disapointment -- Doug Stringer, 00:24:58 11/21/06 Tue (161-72.wireless.mvn.net/66.232.161.72)

Well it has finally come to this. I had believed that as a mentor of sorts I had directed my nephew Kyle Neal and his father into a direction that I thought would give them the opportunity to experience competition at a professional level. Also I was hopeing to expose them to the professionalism that a major sanctioning body would have to offer. Boy was I in for a rude awakening after attending a few NMMA events and following this series on the Internet, I have come to understand what a ruthless unorthodox type of racing this sanctioning body delivers week end week out . Unfortunantly for the kids that have the dreams and aspirations of moving on with their career. I can not support nore recommend this series as a farm type arena for professional motorsposts such as the Nascar Busch Series, ARCA or Hooters Pro Cup, all of which I am an avid competitor and team owner. I can only hope that for the benefit of all these young aspiring drivers that something is done soon to circumvent the numerous lost opportunities.

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[> Re: NMMA Disapointment -- Gary Bouhl, 07:20:12 11/21/06 Tue (NoHost/63.170.35.88)

The comment from Doug Stringer is probably the biggest exclamation point/nail in the coffin along with what everyone one else has been saying on this message board. If this is the Doug Stringer I think it is, the statement he presented alone is huge....amazingly huge.

The NMMA has fallen into a pit of slow movement, lack of promotion/marketing and bad leadership. It is going to be extremely difficult at this point to turn things around, or to even turn tracks on to the NMMA. We will have to show them the benefit...which is going to be hard to differentiate from outlaw tracks/series....but I know that there are enough people that can make it work.

With all of these thoughts and the pending revolution against the NMMA....it leads me to wonder what is the NMMA doing to get ready for '07? Shouldn't paying members know or have a say in the direction of this organization? Are any of the "elected officials" reading this? Are they wanting to make changes? And the idea of trying to make everything good for '08 will not be acceptable for the survival of this organization.

All of these posts follow the same tune, now its time to hear WHAT WILL BE DONE instead of hearing suggestions to make it better....so with that said...what can we expect for '07???

Doug,
You can check out the POWRI series for a driver development series. With drivers/owners from the midget division on hand, I believe there is potential for 600 drivers to showcase their skills and move up.

Thanks,
Gary
www.incredibouhlmotorsports.com

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[> [> Re: NMMA Disapointment -- dude, 14:03:06 11/23/06 Thu (148.sub-70-212-58.myvzw.com/70.212.58.148)

>The comment from Doug Stringer is probably the biggest
>exclamation point/nail in the coffin along with what
>everyone one else has been saying on this message
>board. If this is the Doug Stringer I think it is, the
>statement he presented alone is huge....amazingly huge.
>
>The NMMA has fallen into a pit of slow movement, lack
>of promotion/marketing and bad leadership. It is going
>to be extremely difficult at this point to turn things
>around, or to even turn tracks on to the NMMA. We will
>have to show them the benefit...which is going to be
>hard to differentiate from outlaw tracks/series....but
>I know that there are enough people that can make it
>work.
>
>With all of these thoughts and the pending revolution
>against the NMMA....it leads me to wonder what is the
>NMMA doing to get ready for '07? Shouldn't paying
>members know or have a say in the direction of this
>organization? Are any of the "elected officials"
>reading this? Are they wanting to make changes? And
>the idea of trying to make everything good for '08
>will not be acceptable for the survival of this
>organization.
>
>All of these posts follow the same tune, now its time
>to hear WHAT WILL BE DONE instead of hearing
>suggestions to make it better....so with that
>said...what can we expect for '07???
>
>The environment for dirt racing is very difficult these days. All the open wheel weenies are greying, younger folks dont have an interest in open wheel racing, and the competition for the racing entertainment dollar is really tough. However, when you have multiple classes with the same looking cars, long breaks in the action, not realizing attending racing events is entertainment for the folks paying for a ticket are looking for an excicting nite of entertainment (yeah, the races are ok also)... only the top promotors and programs are going to survive. They will not sit through a six hour event (yes even an NMMA event), especially without something happening between races. Good or bad; this is 2006, not 1956, 1966 ir even 2000. Watching officials making an ass out of themselves (sorry that post has been removed to protect the management), judgment calls, long delays between races and of course not starting on time; just continue to seal up the coffin. At a time when micro racing is growing at an expedential rate, the nmma is experiencing car counts so low tracks are having to close or God forbid, go OUTLAW to survive. I am sure none of the nmma official know who Doug Spring is, and they can do the research on their own, but needless to say he is well established in the racing community and knows talent when he sees it. Happy Thanksgiving, Racing at Fr Wayne is only a month away, then the chilli bowl and next DuQuoin....oh yeah, then the NMMA executive meeting....

Doug,
>You can check out the POWRI series for a driver
>development series. With drivers/owners from the
>midget division on hand, I believe there is potential
>for 600 drivers to showcase their skills and move up.
>
>Thanks,
>Gary
>www.incredibouhlmotorsports.com

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" national meeting -- DAVE ROBINSON, 15:04:33 11/20/06 Mon (DHCP-74-134-107-193.insightbb.com/74.134.107.193)

could someone please tell me when the national meeting is going to take place...thank you David Robinson R 0732

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[> Re: national meeting -- dude, 13:37:59 11/23/06 Thu (148.sub-70-212-58.myvzw.com/70.212.58.148)

>sorry I believe you need to be an officer. This is the meeting where they will be bringing up new rules and voting on them, members are evidently encouraged to attend (kind of like not being able to have a beer at the country club Dave)

could someone please tell me when the national meeting
>is going to take place...thank you David Robinson R
>0732

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" MR NEAL YOUR POST WAS DELETED BECAUSE THE TRUTH HURTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- TERRY, 19:23:44 11/20/06 Mon (dial-159-116.shawneelink.net/206.125.159.116)

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[> Re: MR NEAL YOUR POST WAS DELETED BECAUSE THE TRUTH HURTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- XMAN, 19:27:55 11/20/06 Mon (host-208-60-226-229.owb.bellsouth.net/208.60.226.229)

Try Bull shit next time it seems to last longer. On here anyway!!!!

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[> Re: MR NEAL YOUR POST WAS DELETED BECAUSE THE TRUTH HURTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Doug Stringer, 00:22:56 11/21/06 Tue (161-72.wireless.mvn.net/66.232.161.72)

Well it has finally come to this. I had believed that as a mentor of sorts I had directed my nephew Kyle Neal and his father into a direction that I thought would give them the opportunity to experience competition at a professional level. Also I was hopeing to expose them to the professionalism that a major sanctioning body would have to offer. Boy was I in for a rude awakening after attending a few NMMA events and following this series on the Internet, I have come to understand what a ruthless unorthodox type of racing this sanctioning body delivers week end week out . Unfortunantly for the kids that have the dreams and aspirations of moving on with their career. I can not support nore recommend this series as a farm type arena for professional motorsposts such as the Nascar Busch Series, ARCA or Hooters Pro Cup, all of which I am an avid competitor and team owner. I can only hope that for the benefit of all these young aspiring drivers that something is done soon to circumvent the numerous lost opportunities.

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[> Re: MR NEAL YOUR POST WAS DELETED BECAUSE THE TRUTH HURTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- dude, 20:19:32 11/22/06 Wed (237.sub-70-212-45.myvzw.com/70.212.45.237)

strange how the original post disappeared. I am sure no on on the board wanted that laundry out in public; They should be ashamed....guess Mr Neal hit a nerve

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My Thoughts -- DAVID ROBINSON, 16:32:44 11/21/06 Tue (DHCP-74-134-107-193.insightbb.com/74.134.107.193)

My thoughts, I just got my Pit Stop, I must say it's getting a little thin, Before I get started frist of all I support the NMMA, I really enjoy racing in this Organization and hope to do so for a long time.... To Pat Mcgrath in your artical you said your going to pick the brains of a few old timers,but with all do respect, why not pick the brains of someone young, why not go to the organization in Oklahoma Pennsylvania,Indiana where micro racing is really big and ask them why they left the NMMA and what it would take to get them back...It's hard to believe that a organization that was the front runner in Micro sprint racing is down to 4 tracks and so slow to change..Please tell us your doing more than what you say your doing to help the NMMA David Robinson R 0732

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" So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- racer wife, 13:05:17 11/12/06 Sun (64-192-64-50.wcg.net/64.192.64.50)

So what tracks are left in the NMMA besides Sweet Springs? Is the NMMA even going to exist much longer?

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[> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Andy, 10:14:56 11/13/06 Mon (NoHost/12.206.94.197)

This must be it. only one left not much of a surprise.

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[> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Race Fan, 13:35:55 11/13/06 Mon (NoHost/65.217.188.20)

When all people want to do is bitch, don't like the rules, want things my way, no organization can survive. Watch what you ask for. Remember how big USAC use to be. Did ruining it get the racers what they wanted - heck no. They are still fussing in CART and IRL. Now everyone is bitching about NASCAR. Why should those of us who want to work within NMMA expect anything different from our members.

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[> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Paul, 15:47:25 11/13/06 Mon (client-66-116-35-117.consolidated.net/66.116.35.117)

Charleston,Illiinois [Coles County]Wayne City,Illinois[Wayne County SpeedWay]SweetSpringsRaceway,and rumor is Garden City,Kansas is coming back.I don't know about Wavelink raceway.

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[> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Joe Smiley EVP, 18:12:44 11/13/06 Mon (host-65-7-64-173.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.64.173)

>As of 11/14/06
Coles Co ( Coles Co,IL )
Wayne Co ( Wayne City,IL )
Sweet Springs ( Sweet Springs.MO )
Wavelink (Waverly,NB )
Fairbery ( NB )
We are also working with Hastings, NB and Airport Raceway,Garden City,KS
These are the Seven Tracks that we can report on now
but it is early and Im sure there will be more

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[> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Jimmy Miller, 20:57:45 11/13/06 Mon (static-209-107-233-102.consolidated.net/209.107.233.102)

>So what tracks are left in the NMMA besides Sweet
>Springs? Is the NMMA even going to exist much longer?

What is our president and officals doing to keep and get tracks in the NMMA?

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[> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Danny, 11:47:41 11/14/06 Tue (ip70-185-153-228.lu.dl.cox.net/70.185.153.228)

Joe it sounds like you have been talking to Lanny Harvey. As much as he would like to see Garden City in the NMMA I really doubt that will happen. Thia last year they gained about 12 cars, gained a track in Liberal, paid a $10,000 points fund at the end of the year, and had a good chunk of money left at the end of the season. They haven't done that in a long time.
Does that sound like they want to come back?

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[> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Wade Huisman, 14:09:06 11/14/06 Tue (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

I think if someone were looking for a truthful & informative answer it would be this.

Current NMMA sanctioned tracks.

Coles Co ( Coles Co,IL )
Wayne Co ( Wayne City,IL )
Sweet Springs ( Sweet Springs.MO )
Wavelink (Waverly,NB )

All great tracks & wonderful facilities. Probably the best in the nation. But, I have never been to Wayne Co.

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[> [> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Joe Smiley EVP, 19:44:34 11/14/06 Tue (host-65-7-65-47.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.65.47)

Wade the information I posted was given to me last nite
by Pat McGrath our NMMA President just before I posted it.
Would you also like to call him a lier.
Joe Smiley EVP

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[> [> [> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- dfritz, 01:55:53 11/15/06 Wed (proxy-3261.bay.webtv.net/209.240.206.207)

> Wade the information I posted was given to me last
>nite
>by Pat McGrath our NMMA President just before I posted
>it.
>Would you also like to call him a lier.
>Joe Smiley EVP

Smoke and mirrors.
Wade, your assessment is correct as I look at it.
Fairbury is a lot more "no" than yes. They have a good program without the NMMA.
Hastings, NE is also slowly gaining cars and have such a variety of motor combinations that all run the same class now. Why would they split them up. Look what took place at Waverly this year. When you added all the cars up that were "A" running the "multi", non-wing, and "A" cars that was the "A" class from the year before. Three small classes versus one nice size class.
I also come up with four active tracks so far for 2007.

dfritz

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[> [> [> Joe, This ones for you & your vested interest! -- Wade Huisman, 09:10:57 11/16/06 Thu (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

Whatever Joe,! I just find it funny that between the Eastern VP & the President you guys cant even count to four. That may be half the problem.

What your group needs is utter & complete honesty. I realize you are worried about loosing 1 or possibly 2 more tracks this upcoming season. But hiding the facts does not fix the problems.

regroup, restructure, provide a service & give back.

If you guys want to gain new tracks & possibly old ones back, you need to have incentives & reasons for the racers to consider the NMMA. The racers do not need you, you need the racers! If you have nothing to offer you will not have clients. & what you had to offer in the past is not here today. I could sit here and type for hours as others have but I truly believe the points will be missed if even considered. So I will leave you with only 3 short thoughts so you don't get lost.

1. At this time my 1st year group has at minimum 30+ tracks nation wide we could race at with our current "outlaw" structure week in & week out. Change your structure and those 30+ tracks will also be available to your members. Why not figure out a way for anyone, anywhere to be scored nationally at any track. Big problems require big solutions. fast!

2.Outlaw is only a term used to define everything in micros's that is not NMMA. To most NMMA is the name of the hardest of tires. Change the meaning of the term & you possibly may change the direction of you group. Cant beet em join em, in a since!

3.I believe & hope that someday far far away from here a true national org will be reborn. Realistically a rebirth requires a death.

Wade Husiman
Huisman Racing Ent.
Miniakota Micro sprints
Jayhuskers 600's
712-737-3053

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[> [> [> [> Re: Joe, This ones for you & your vested interest! -- Gary Bouhl, 10:59:39 11/16/06 Thu (NoHost/63.170.35.88)

Random thoughts from the mind of Incredibouhl:

Wade, you are sounding more and more like the man to take the helm!

I like the idea of any driver being able to be scored for a newly revamped NMMA...perhaps the NMMA driver of the year!? the outlaw racing is nice and to the point...no stupid rule book with rules that cannot and will never be enforced.

I still believe the stock class killed the NMMA for the fact that competition became to tight and all of a sudden everyone was saying that everyone was cheating. Outlaw motor rules (max 636?), spec compound on 1 or all corners, basic common since wing rules are what the racers want(NO debate on stock motors!!, we've run a stock f4, r6 and 636 in the powri series and were competitive, and always had a great time racing....setup is king!!).

The thing I feel will hurt micros is track size..bigger tracks begin to make racing look like a nascar race which are pretty boring to watch. Motors won't matter with spec hard compound tires and on shorter tracks...sanction tracks that are like 1/8 to 1/4 or something on those lines.

the NMMA used to be somewhat fun, however its lame formats for championship races sucked all the life out of it (rubberdown 1 lane no competition racing). The nmma ruled the roost for a long time however the "codes/rules" of the 1960's can't apply today...the NMMA now has competition in the form of outlaw tracks and divisional series, and you must find a way to be competitive...(its just like racing!)...look at what the competition is doing and why they have been more successful over the years than the nmma.

Joe and Pat....for some examples of success...check out POWRI or just watch a race at Belleville, IL (the best micro track in the nation), watch how they put on a great show for over 60 micros and hardly anyone complains...its the best. Joe you've been a very stand up person for this group, especially through the tough times, I just wish you guys would stop to see what is going on (decreasing car counts, increasing complaints, bad rule book, rules that cannot be enforced) and make some changes, the reactions of the NMMA have been in snail speed....I know you can't make everyone happy but its time to make a move and make it fast before the fall.

Make the points simple...make it where "fans" can keep up with it...thats how you get a following for points.

The NMMA screwed the pooch by putting time and effort in making a rule to eliminate the front nose wing on A's and R's...how stupid! What a waste of time! It doesn't matter what everyone voted on or brought up...the fact of the matter is the organization has enough problems...lets fix the ones that determine the future of it!

There has been nothing attractive for anyone to join this division...all national champs have gotten no recognition or anything for that matter. POWRI champs are mentioned in speed sport news and other publications....its kind of nice! People in the race world already have a "respect" for those in the powri series...no one even knows what the nmma is.....50 years of bad marketing and promotion!

None of these ideas will run the budget racer out of racing. the budget racer can compete...they may not be able to spend money on motor....but if they do their homework right their setup and their driving will make up for it.

The money for national champs shouldn't come from the pocket of the racer. If this organization has been around for 50 years why can't we get a title sponsor to put up some cash? THE SOLIDARITY OF A RACING ORGANIZATION THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR 50 YEARS SHOULD BE MARKETABLE FOR BUSINESSES/SPONSORS.

Nascar has been around the block for a while and in one season decided to change its points structure and so far has actually been interesting....so I'm pretty sure this organization could do something to "revolutionize" the sport.

The solution is far more simple than you may believe it to be. Look and listen to the voices on this board...they are wanting a change and it must happen soon!

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[> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- DAVE ROBINSON, 14:41:38 11/15/06 Wed (DHCP-74-134-107-193.insightbb.com/74.134.107.193)

The track we have know are very good tracks, how do we go about getting the tracks that have already left back into the NMMA........ If it all has to do with the all mighty dollar than we are in be trouble... as we all know the greed for money is the root of all evil.

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[> [> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- dfritz, 18:53:37 11/15/06 Wed (NoHost/71.39.56.29)

> The track we have know are very good tracks, how do
>we go about getting the tracks that have already left
>back into the NMMA........ If it all has to do with
>the all mighty dollar than we are in be trouble... as
>we all know the greed for money is the root of all
>evil.

Money is part of it, but for our reasoning, some of the rules put in place the last three years make our group independant of too many other racing groups.

Out here we can run the same equipment at Washington, Clay Center, and Concordia, Kansas. Fairbury and Hastings, Nebraska as well as the track that Wade is involved in over in Iowa. That is six tracks within three hours one way of my home.

To run at Waverly takes a one of a kind power plant for the "A" class. The other cars at the other tracks we run with primarliy would have to run multi with the NMMA because many of them use Honda F-2's and 3's that are modified. They are not going to come to NMMA and race multi when the motors they have are still only close to our "A" motors.

We have ruled ourselves independent of too many other groups.

dfritz

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[> [> [> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- dfritz, 19:00:15 11/15/06 Wed (NoHost/71.39.56.29)

>> The track we have know are very good tracks, how do
>>we go about getting the tracks that have already left
>>back into the NMMA........ If it all has to do with
>>the all mighty dollar than we are in be trouble... as
>>we all know the greed for money is the root of all
>>evil.
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>Money is part of it, but for our reasoning, some of
>the rules put in place the last three years make our
>group independant of too many other racing groups.
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>Out here we can run the same equipment at Washington,
>Clay Center, and Concordia, Kansas. Fairbury and
>Hastings, Nebraska as well as the track that Wade is
>involved in over in Iowa. That is six tracks within
>three hours one way of my home.
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>To run at Waverly takes a one of a kind power plant
>for the "A" class. The other cars at the other tracks
>we run with primarliy would have to run multi with the
>NMMA because many of them use Honda F-2's and 3's that
>are modified. They are not going to come to NMMA and
>race multi when the motors they have are still only
>close to our "A" motors.
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>We have ruled ourselves independent of too many other
>groups.
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>dfritz

Forgot to also say that--
WRP = 60 minutes from home each way
Sweet Springs = 5 hours one way
The other two NMMA tracks are on the other side of "SS".

We have on occassion allowed the fans to decide if the feature is winged or non-winged and invert or heads-up starts. Makes for interesting nights, and a heck of a lot of fun.

Fan participation!!!!!!!!!!

dfritz

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[> [> [> [> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Wade Huisman, 07:35:03 11/16/06 Thu (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

Fritz, How can you forget a Name like "Bigdog Raceway"LOL

Thanks for the plug anyways! We now have more local tracks interested & the racers are inquisitive as outlaw 600's are new to our area. As you may know our group is in a series format with 1 main track. We still have a long ways to go. We enjoy stopping at as many tracks & meeting as many people as the rules & our $ allow us to do. Waverly excludes themselves from the rest of us because of rules & entry fees. Even if we decided to pay up, 1/2 our group would be DQ'd for reasons that do not matter to us. I go to Washington. I pay 25 pitpass get 75 back. I go to Waverly & pay $105 & get nothing. That matters when you drive 4 hours to the track.
Fritz, We enjoy racing with you guys down south & look forward to next summer. It should be a blast. P.S. Get that car to the shootout! Your Grand daughter of yours needs a B-Day Present!!!LOL

Wade Huisman
712-737-3053

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[> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Alex, 21:42:52 11/15/06 Wed (pfd5300a-ppp-59.adams.net/216.138.35.59)

Everybody needs to wake up and smell the coffee. NMMA people say that it costs more money to run outlaw???? How???? Tires cost the same, fuel costs the same, and most everybody runs the same motors. Is it wrong for a track to pay the guys and gals money back for their trouble at the end of the night???? Wait, you would rather charge somebody a god awful amount of money for a membership that does nothing for THEM, only you, race with a handful of cars trying to follow a rule book that is thicker than school books and at the same time kiss everybodys butt so you can get a good call. Not to mention burn tires up on hard slick tracks. Good bye NMMA, i used to race with you as well, and it is not even close to what it once was. I love the 600's and you have not done a thing to help the drivers, only yourselves. It is that simple.>So what tracks are left in the NMMA besides Sweet
>Springs? Is the NMMA even going to exist much longer?

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[> [> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Alex, 21:48:41 11/15/06 Wed (pfd5300a-ppp-59.adams.net/216.138.35.59)

Oh, One more thing, Joe, If you even knew Wade you wouldn't say anything bad about him. He is a guy who truly gives a damn about the sport and the drivers. The only thing it seems that you care about is kissing Pat's back side. Grow some and stand up for the drivers instead of you and your "buddies". I used to race with Pat and things have changed more than i like to admit. It seemed he really once cared. But, everybody changes. Bottom line, watch who you call a liar. By the way, you are the Eastern VP, right. There are no tracks east of Illinois. What are you VP of?????????????????????????????????????????

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[> [> [> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Joe Smiley EVP, 15:15:22 11/16/06 Thu (NoHost/65.7.64.128)

Alex I did not call Wade A lier.I ask him if he wished to call Pat a lier.I do know wade and I have never trashed anyone on this board.the dividing line for the Eastern
and Western Division is the MISS.RIVER so I do have some tracks left.
Thanks Joe Smiley

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[> [> [> [> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Alex, 19:11:34 11/16/06 Thu (pfd5300a-ppp-49.adams.net/216.138.35.49)

Joe, Don't hold your breath to long. As Wade said, you need to die first. You need to figure out what giving back means instead of taking all of the time. I have seen many times when people asked what the membership to the National Mickey Mouse Association will get them and the response has always been the same, NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!! If there is something, then inlighten us on what that is. If you can.

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[> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- DAVE ROBINSON, 16:03:57 11/16/06 Thu (DHCP-74-134-107-193.insightbb.com/74.134.107.193)

Wade, do you have a stock class and if so what is different from the NMMA. I have been with the NMMA for almost 7 years yes we have are promblems, but really it is not as bad as everybody thinks it is..

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[> [> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- dfritz, 00:39:07 11/17/06 Fri (proxy-3251.bay.webtv.net/209.240.206.199)

>Wade, do you have a stock class and if so what is
>different from the NMMA. I have been with the NMMA
>for almost 7 years yes we have are promblems, but
>really it is not as bad as everybody thinks it is..

Why do I sense a "Wadeism" could be on the way??

Try to be kind, ok?

Oh what the heck, let 'er rip.

Have fun.

dfritz

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[> [> [> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Andy Brink, 07:10:55 11/17/06 Fri (NoHost/12.206.94.197)

Wade for president in '08.

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[> [> [> Rules?? Stock?? -- Wade Huisman, 08:10:38 11/17/06 Fri (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

Not sure what you even mean by stock class. All I know is we race a 600cc outlaw micro's. We are also required to keep smiling & have fun. Other then that I don't know anything. So I am Clearly not the man for this job. Sorry Andy.;-)

wade Huisman
712-737-3053

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[> [> [> [> Re: Rules?? Stock?? -- Andy Brink, 07:52:03 11/18/06 Sat (NoHost/12.206.94.197)

I was just trying to make a point that the nmma needs someone to promote the sport and give racers and tracks a good reason to join or rejoin the nmma. Hope to see you and some of your fellow minakota racers next year. Andy Brink at English Creek Speedway

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Rules?? Stock?? -- Wade Huisman, 12:56:58 11/18/06 Sat (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

We had a blast trying to help you guys get your first year started Andy. To bad that Brady Bacon kid had to show up & spank us all around!!!
That's what it is all about at this level, lending hands and giving back. Hopefully we can bring more cars to help promote next year. English Creak has some great potential. Great little track & great people. Allot of young talent floating around those outlaw cage karts. Possibly something in conjunction with the Midget Nationals or some other event could help you promote the track. Keep working at it! We will see you all soon! Hopefully early in the season.

Since you are in Iowa, we can get you guys signed up with the Miniakota Micros. Call me if you wish. We would have some great benefits for you at no cost. It may help you get started.

712-737-3053
Wade Husiman

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[> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Brent, 19:38:09 11/19/06 Sun (client-66-116-1-227.consolidated.net/66.116.1.227)

>So what tracks are left in the NMMA besides Sweet
>Springs? Is the NMMA even going to exist much longer?
I am new to this sport, but have been around racing my whole life and I have to honestly say that there is more micro-management when it comes to the NMMA than I have ever seen. Now I will be running at Coles County which is, by far, one of the nicest tracks I have been too, but if no one shows up to race then what good is it. A lot of drivers have to drive a good distance to race and if it's not worth it to the driver to make the trip that is a problem the NMMA should be concerned with. It's obvious that more and more drivers are avoiding the NMMA because they charge a lot to join their orginazation then you have to pay to join the track orginazation (CCMMRA). When you have to payout all this just to join and then you don't payout anything at the races it equals driver's going somewhere else to race. I am in the process of trying to promote this sport in my local area out of my own pocket because the either the NMMA or my local track want to spend any money on promoting this sport. When we had the National event here this year no one knew what they were racing let alone that the National's were in town. There is one thing that I want all the board member's in the NMMA to remember and this is something that every smart business man knows, IN ORDER TO MAKE MONEY YOU HAVE TO SPEND MONEY! Also, quit messing with all these rule changes that don't amount to a hill of beans. That wing rule for the "A" and "R" class is not going to do anything to bring in more driver's to these NMMA tracks and that should be your first priority as a board member. You cannot make everyone happy so quit trying to do it. Just my opinion, sorry to go off like that folks! lol

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[> [> Re: So what tracks are left in the NMMA, besides Sweet Springs? -- Brent, 20:07:55 11/19/06 Sun (client-66-116-1-227.consolidated.net/66.116.1.227)

One more thing,. Why can't the NMMA get local business's to throw some money at the local tracks? If this something that you have to wait and vote on then maybe that should give you some idea of what's wrong with the direction that this org. is headed. I would be willing to bet a number of local business's would sponsor a $200 or $300 to win night, and probably do it more than once. Under normal circumstances a lot of driver's would make that trip, but since it would cost them over a hundred bucks just to get in if they weren't a member they would just race closer to their home. Where does all this money go anyway, because it doesn't seem to get back to the driver's from what everyone is saying? If the NMMA board would ask themselves "Is this decision in the best interest of everyone involved?" everytime they make a decision then there would be a lot less of a mess and a lot more driver's joining the orginazation and making the trip.

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" rules -- Warren Johnson (everything), 18:12:58 11/07/06 Tue (CPE-75-81-110-31.kc.res.rr.com/75.81.110.31)

Why do poeple vote for things when they are not in that class for example the wing rule There are many people who
want the wings on. ( I am only 12 and I have not met one KID who dosn't like the car without the wing) Remember Richard there were only 8-10 kids racing in this class 2 years ago now there is 20+ every night. Why are you taking the wings of just so one class looking and handling better. Were are the kds voice in these issue.

-W/J

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[> Re: rules -- Pete, 20:17:58 11/07/06 Tue (pwas.iland.net/205.242.230.21)

The rule to take off nose wings will cost us money not save money. We lost a sponsorship spot. Also changing to a softer LR tire will cost us more also. Everyone I talked to was just fine with the 40 durometer rule for the LR. We will wear out more LR tires next year. Personally, I could care less if they made us run a 50 durometer tire, everyone has to run the same tire to race. Although I don't think they look "goofy" without the nose wing, they do look better with one especially to a youngster. PLEASE BRING BACK THE NOSE WING!

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[> [> Re: rules -- jerad, 05:20:45 11/08/06 Wed (wst_ir_ss210.wst.esu3.k12.ne.us/205.202.120.210)

If your so worried about the tire then run the 40 Durometer.

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[> [> [> Re: rules -- Pete, 12:52:02 11/08/06 Wed (bluecoat.whiteman.af.mil/137.1.212.12)

Not too worried just want to be competetive with the rest of the field most of whom will run a softer tire. NMMA claims to try to make rule changes to benefit the members but in the R class the changes they made will end up costing us more money. I am for the NMMA but I just feel the changes that were made didn't make much sense for the R class. JMO.

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[> [> [> Re: rules -- warren (what?), 17:05:06 11/08/06 Wed (CPE-75-81-110-31.kc.res.rr.com/75.81.110.31)

Jarod what class are you in! My post is about people voting for things in classes while they are not in that class? By the way Richard K. why are you not answering my post about the wings in the rest. class. I'll make this simple. Everybody that is against the wing rule reply to this message. Our class has 20+ racers (at sweet springs) almost every night
so why kill one class to improve another. I made $750 from sponsorship money from the nose wing. NMMA were do I replace this money from GET CREATIVE. YEAH RIGHT

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[> [> [> [> Re: rules -- Jerad, 05:20:29 11/09/06 Thu (wst_ir_ss210.wst.esu3.k12.ne.us/205.202.120.210)

Im in A class

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[> Re: rules -- BOB, 19:21:13 11/09/06 Thu (ppp-69-148-163-36.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net/69.148.163.36)

>Why do poeple vote for things when they are not in
>that class for example the wing rule There are many
>people who
>want the wings on. ( I am only 12 and I have not met
>one KID who dosn't like the car without the wing)
>Remember Richard there were only 8-10 kids racing in
>this class 2 years ago now there is 20+ every night.
>Why are you taking the wings of just so one class
>looking and handling better. Were are the kds voice in
>these issue.
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DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THIS ISSUE BEEN HERE AND DONE THAT!!!!!! WE ARE GOING TO RUN ARE NOSE WING IN THE RESTRICTER CLASS (2007) SO IAM BEING CREATIVE !!!!!!!!!

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[> Re: rules -- BOB, 19:37:59 11/09/06 Thu (ppp-69-148-163-36.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net/69.148.163.36)

>Why do poeple vote for things when they are not in
>that class for example the wing rule There are many
>people who
>want the wings on. ( I am only 12 and I have not met
>one KID who dosn't like the car without the wing)
>Remember Richard there were only 8-10 kids racing in
>this class 2 years ago now there is 20+ every night.
>Why are you taking the wings of just so one class
>looking and handling better. Were are the kds voice in
>these issue.
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> -W/J

I WILL BACK YOU ON THIS ISSUE WARREN,(NOSE WING)LEFT REAR TIRE IS NO BIG DEAL I HAVE ALREADY SPENT THE MONEY ON A NEW LEFT REAR LAST YEAR (NOW)YOU HAVE THE OPTION,AND THAT IS SAVING MONEY!!!!!YEA RIGHT NOW I SEE WHY PEOPLE ARE GOING OUTLAW AND JUST GETTING OUT OF THE SPORT
(ITS YOUR RULES)SOME ARE JUST NOT COMMON SENCE LIKE (NOSE WING)IN THE (R)CLASS I GOT YOUR BACK JOHNSON!!!

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[> [> Re: rules -- JEFF, 17:58:52 11/13/06 Mon (ppp-65-71-172-94.dialup.tpkaks.swbell.net/65.71.172.94)

>>Why do poeple vote for things when they are not in
>>that class for example the wing rule There are many
>>people who
>>want the wings on. ( I am only 12 and I have not met
>>one KID who dosn't like the car without the wing)
>>Remember Richard there were only 8-10 kids racing in
>>this class 2 years ago now there is 20+ every night.
>>Why are you taking the wings of just so one class
>>looking and handling better. Were are the kds voice in
>>these issue.
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>> -W/J
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>I WILL BACK YOU ON THIS ISSUE WARREN,(NOSE WING)LEFT
>REAR TIRE IS NO BIG DEAL I HAVE ALREADY SPENT THE
>MONEY ON A NEW LEFT REAR LAST YEAR (NOW)YOU HAVE THE
>OPTION,AND THAT IS SAVING MONEY!!!!!YEA RIGHT NOW I
>SEE WHY PEOPLE ARE GOING OUTLAW AND JUST GETTING OUT
>OF THE SPORT
>(ITS YOUR RULES)SOME ARE JUST NOT COMMON SENCE LIKE
>(NOSE WING)IN THE (R)CLASS I GOT YOUR BACK JOHNSON!!!

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" Ideas for improving the NMMA -- richard, 15:37:59 11/08/06 Wed (t2p402.socket.net/64.85.217.148)

NMMA What is wrong and what can we do to heal this once great organization. The first part of a several part series. These are mostly ideas for discussion, not finalized etched in stone requests.

The demographics that worked in the past is now totally different. Primarily it was made up of younger men to middle aged men that wanted to race. Little to no kids, these men raced just for fun, something to do on the weekends with the family. These young men made most of their on equipment. The sport grew and kids came on board and equipment mfg�s. The NMMA needed to create a level playing field and the rules were born and all was good. But, as our completive spirit grew so did the rules and we decided to be a self governing body with the present system of check and balances. Unfortunately we became our own worst enemy making rules that made no sense, rules that increased the cost, rules that contradicted other rules. We became even a larger organization and the rules kept coming by leaps and bounds not only about the cars but how much to charge for entry fees, payouts, and just about anything. Was it all bad no, but, a little house keeping would not hurt trim down the rule book to some better working form. NMMA must provide functional sanctioning rules for the classes and races and quit trying to MICRO manage the tracks and clubs. How can the NMMA know what a track or promoter needs to break even or turn a profit?

Why don�t we have a year after a rule is made to decide if it will work. Say a proposal was made in 2007 and the present system adopts it or modified it, or even turns it 180 degrees from what the person proposed. We have 2008 to look at it and if it is still thought to have merit the present system can make it a rule in 2009. Cases in point left tire rule, Non wing class, any number of wing rules, the list goes on and on. Some times a rule is made to benefit or eliminate just one person or idea, such as the tilted wing rule, Twins back into the 270 class. Let the National Board have the power to alter rules with a two thirds majority vote from the National Board. Keep the members informed by the web site, STOP keeping things so secrete.

The members and the officers keep saying there are to many classes, I think that there are not enough classes. Let the NMMA sanction all small class cars 125�, 250�s, NW, R, M, Jr�s, A�s and any other classes that might be in the future. What!!! Did I just say that. We keep saying why is the membership down, because we keep getting rid of our members by eliminating their class. Think about this concept NMMA sanction them but, let the tracks and individual clubs decide what classes they wish to run at their tracks. If a class that is not part of a tracks regular program wishes to race, the class must ask permission of the host track and preregister a full field of cars 4 for weekly and 8 for any championship race. Leave it up to the tracks to make the decision. The problem is not to many classes but, rather a system of scoring that is to cumbersome. If a track has more than 35 entries the time trials, heats, trophy dashes, transfers and cons and features make for a long night that will never have a fan base outside of family and close friends. Our sport or any sport will not survive without a paying fan base. Many of the tracks have closed down or left us because of this.
Next part in the series dealing with a point fund and why do tracks go outlaw.

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[> Re: Ideas for improving the NMMA Part 2 -- richard, 02:45:14 11/09/06 Thu (t5p333.socket.net/64.85.211.79)

The NMMA series part two. Why do drivers go Outlaw usually rules and money. The very name means money and outside the rules. The NMMA does not provide the tracks or members with anything but a level playing field although it be a little bumpy. The insurance can be had through NARI and underwritten by K&K insurance the very same people that insure us insure most of the racing around these parts. Why don�t we see if an insurance card can be issued to a driver and he or she can race on any track that is insured by NARI. That is what the other drivers in late model, stock, and the other big car classes do. In that way some outlaw drivers can race with us for a nominal fee. What insurance are tracks using when they have outlaw races or tracks that are not NMMA?

Money I know lets keep this out of the equation, but you can�t in order to stay in racing it�s all about the money. I know you can�t make a living racing at this level, but a little help may be the difference between racing and not racing. Point fund why does the NMMA not have one I don�t know. Hoosier racing tires offered several thousand dollars I�m sure that we could have used it by making some kind of promotion package. We could get money from several of our equipment mfgs with the right promotion packages. But, lets say we don�t get any mfg money why not charge an additional dollar for each entry on a nights program we already give one dollar to support the NMMA give one for the drivers point fund. There are about 175-200 racers each week at the NMMA sanction tracks this may be a little conservative or not and about 20 weeks worth of racing leaves about $3500-$4000 for a point fund not to mention any monies from mfg or other sources, be creative guys. Eliminate the MONEY PIT called the Pit Stop make it available on the web site like we do and if you don�t have a computer ask someone to print it off for you who has a computer. It has been said it costs us over $20,000 A YEAR to print and send and that�s above what each member pays for their subscription through dues. Because what we are doing is not working. Use the 25% rule for awarding this money. If the15th car does not have 25% of the first place car points at the end of the year your class does not qualify for any awards point fund or national championship awards. Don�t get rid of the class just make it non award eligible. Just maybe the racers will promote their class better and get more members in their class.

I addressed the rules in the first part of the series we can continue what we are doing and succeed and just maybe have nowhere to race. Money is the biggest reason the outlaw drivers leave, most outlaw programs for our cars are playing second fiddle to the tracks other programs and those tracks that run only our style of cars have highly motivated promoters with a monetary stake in the operation of the track. Again MONEY is the motivator. The world does not run without it.

In the next part of the series Family Sport VS. Family Sport

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[> [> Re: Ideas for improving the NMMA Part 3 -- richard, 13:38:13 11/09/06 Thu (t3p342.socket.net/64.85.221.88)

The NMMA part three we want to keep this a family sport, well what else is it but a family sport used to be young men and middle aged men with their wives and kids about 90% or more and now it is the kids about 90% or more and their Mom�s and Dads not mention the grandparents and uncles and aunts it is probably more family now than it has ever been. What sport is not family orientated football, golf, I thought boxing was not but, have you seen the contender series the wives, moms, and even kids are there watching dad get bashed. So lets quit playing the we want to keep it a family sport card it just doesn�t fly. It is, it has been, and will always be a family sport. We must be creative in order to get the paying public to come watch our fantastic sport.

A good announcer is worth their weight in what ever you can afford. Special events to entertain the crowd is a must, keep the intermission to minimum if there nothing to entertain them. Keep the show going if your races are taking more than 2-31/2 hours you will bore them to death. I realize under the present championship scoring system there is no way to get this done. Get rid of time trials, trophy dashes transfers and consis if you want more points then make the features worth more, on the last night of racing have only A features. Adjust the programs to accomplish this. We need to think of the fans more than we have in the past, it used to be for our fun only, now in order for it to succeed it must be for the fan as well as for our fun, one will not survive without the other.

I find it hard to believe that I have never seen our sport on TV, but I haven�t. I have seen lawnmowers, go karts, and about every other form of motor sports on TV, but not us. I realize we don�t have lighting that�s good enough for night races on TV. But in this organization isn�t there someone that could get us on a special daytime race for TV. Have we even tried?

Next time the last part of the series just more insane ramblings

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[> [> [> Re: Ideas for improving the NMMA Part 4 Last -- richard, 02:56:03 11/10/06 Fri (t3p296.socket.net/64.85.221.42)

The last part of the series. Yes I believe in the NMMA, yes it needs to improve. How can we go about this, I have given some ideas, no matter what we do, we must do something, what we are doing is not working anymore.

Things that made me go DUH. The Non Wing class, all I heard was we have to many classes, so we voted in an other class. The present NW class was 180% from what the person proposed, they wanted the non wing class that ran in OK to be sanctioned by NMMA but we gave them the A class without the wing. So in OK they had two types of non wing cars. By the way we now have no tracks sanctioned in OK. Also I heard that the reason that NMMA made all the classes have wings was because of the safety factor it provided the driver, so we did away with the thought of safety.

We had a new track in Michigan they wanted to run their Memorial of State race I don�t remember which and we the NMMA said NO you haven�t run your six races prior to the event read the rule book what difference would have made to let them run it. Don�t preach the rule book to me because that same year all of a sudden the claim rule was rescinded and no one was allowed to claim a motor. Why couldn�t the same process been afforded the track in Michigan we might still have a new track. It seems we can�t get out of our own way sometimes.

I have raced at several tracks in the NMMA and each one does something a little different than the others and that�s not all bad. The biggest thing I see is that they don�t all tech the same way. Some use one method to measure the nerf bars outside the tires and others use another. Some used one way to tech wing being outside the tire and another used a different method. As long as this organization has been in business we should all ready have had tech kits and instructions on how to use them long ago at the tracks, provided by the NMMA. I don�t even what to go into motor tech because even our leaders say they don�t know how to tech some motors what a ball of worms this has become, no wonder some people go outlaw.

Why don�t we use the expertise we have available to us in making rules there all kinds of motor builders, wing makers, chassis builders, and other experts in our organization. But we continue to ignore their input and come up with the unbelievable.

We have spent thousands of dollars for upgrading the rule book and years later we still have the same mess. The rule proposal process I liken to Christmas or like Forest Gump says life is like a box of chocolates you just don�t know what your going to get.

We have to do something or we will perish, it may need a major overhaul then lets do it.

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[> [> [> Re: Ideas for improving the NMMA Part 3 -- Pete, 06:29:41 11/10/06 Fri (sed-dialup-216-74-216-79.iland.net/216.74.216.79)

We are very fortunate at Sweet Springs as we do have a great announcer in Rob Williams. He is very entertaining for the fans as well as drivers.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Ideas for improving the NMMA Part 3 -- Marilyn, 16:13:01 11/10/06 Fri (NoHost/65.217.188.20)

> No matter what the NMMA does, you can never please everyone and some people just like to gripe. Many of the problems we have seen as we compete at other tracks had nothing to do with the NMMA. Many times the local group has some people who ruin it for everyone else. We have been very fortunate at Sweet Springs whether it is the local management, the NMMA, or just people who want to race, the car count continues to grow and the competition is great. We have our own problems but everyone is anxious to see Sweet Springs succeed so we can have fun and those who want to develop to another level have the opportunity. It was evident at our awards banquet which had the largest turnout ever.

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" Great Roundtable Guests and Door Prizes! -- Craig Dori, 16:03:41 11/10/06 Fri (cache-rtc-ac03.proxy.aol.com/152.163.100.132)

The Hoosier Racers Swap Meet & Trade Show 7 January 27, 2007!! This swap meet/trade show will bring together local racers, professional racers, racing business's (manufacturers & dealers), race tracks, and sanctioning bodies with thousands of potential customers... All in one day... All under one roof!!! Making it the BIGGEST pure Racers show in the Midwest! By Far!!!

Two new attractions have been added this year, so plan to stick around for the excitment! The first annual Indy Race Parts "Ms. Hoosier Motorsports Pageant" will be thrilling the stage followed by "Last Ditch Auction" presented by Charter Sailing Unlimited!! The "Last Ditch Auction" is just what it's called, a "Last Ditch" chance to unload your... we'll just say Stuff! This will be a quick NO RESERVE auction hosted by H.A.R.F. Hall Of Famer and Auctioneer extraordinaire, Butch Wilkerson (R.D. Butch Wilkerson auction license: AU01034606). But first!!...
Back by popular demand will be the Racin' W/D.O. "Legends Roundtable" presented by H.A.R.F.! Last years addition was a huge hit, and were sure you'll like this years line-up just as well!! Of course we can't have the aforementioned auction without Butch Wilkerson, so were gonna let the former racing great warm-up his voice on the "Legends Roundtable"! And, while on the subject of racing greats, were happy to have Motorsports Hall Of Fame Member Mel Kenyon back and Former Indy 500 Rookie of the Year, as well as former USAC Midget and Silver Crown Champion, Larry Rice!!! Then, just to add a little British flair :), we are really excited to announce that the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Historian/Story Teller supreme, Donald Davidson will also be joining the panel!! You won't want to miss this! More names will be announced in the near future, line-up subject to change.

Racers will want to hold on tight to those ticket stubs this year as we have, as they say, "Fabulous Prizes"!
Impact Racing has donated a brand new Champ Helmet!! The newly designed Champ is ready for all Short Track racers, and is super lightweight! It's also SFI/FIA & Snell 2005 approved. Impact will be at the show to get the winner the right size!!
Advanced Racing Suspensions has donated a $200 gift certificate good towards any of their products (thanks Corey)!!
National Speed Sport News will be handing out a free One year subscription to "America's Weekly Motorsports Authority"!!
Check back, as we hope to announce some more great door prizes soon!

If your a vendor, we have hit the 1/3 full mark, so get those entries in! Here's who's in the show now!:
Accu-Force Shock Dynos, Advanced Racing Suspensions, AFCO, Arizona Sprint Shirts/Gotta Race, John Batts, BDR Graphics, Bounty Hunter Motorsports, Carrara Custom Powder Coaters, CK Designs, Competition Welding, Cyclone Custom Products, DAK Simulators, Joe Dooling, Robert Dorn, Dynamite Welding, Elliott Brand Web Designs, Flat Out & Dirt Late Model Magazine, David Fuhrman, Funk Racing, Gamester Racing Products (GRP), Eddie Griffith, H.A.R.F., Matt Hardin, Impact Racing, Indianaopenwheel.com, Indy Performance Composites, Indy Race Parts, Intense Motorsports, Jim Jordan, KC Components, Kercher Engines, Ted Knorr, Kokomo Speedway, KT Race Services, Jimmy Laser, Lawson Motorsports, Lawrenceburg Speedway (RPM Promotions), Leaders Edge, Let's Talk About Racing w/Host Danny Williams, M/R Racing Equipment, Jim Mann, Jay Mason, R & R Wireloom, Racin' W/D.O., Rapp's Racing Products, Reel Racing Photos, Sprint Mart, Mike Stuchell, T and D Toys & Hobby, Turner Racing, U.S. 24 Speedway, Preston Windom Racing, Ned Yingst, Zander Radio Systems (who will do on-site radio repair, so bring in any radio you maybe having problems with)
Get your entry in today!!

For complete details please visit our newly designed website @ : www.shoestringracing.com
Where you can now reserve by credit card online!!! You can also get a copy of the show flyer and a registration form for the Pageant! If there is something on the site you didn't catch or we just didn't cover, please call us: 317-381-9931 or write info@shoestringracing.com
Thanks, and we look forward to seeing you at the Hoosier Racers Swap Meet & Trade Show 7!

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" Elimination of All Judgment Calls -- Richard Kreisel, 10:39:58 11/08/06 Wed (mo-69-68-210-36.sta.embarqhsd.net/69.68.210.36)

I have thought about one of the ideas presented to improve the NMMA; "the elimination of all judgment calls". I have to agree this is a wonderful idea. It is a wonderful idea for all racing, and life for that matter.

As with any organization, the best the NMMA can do is put reasonable people in charge. Reasonable people make reasonable judgments. Unfortunately, not all of the responsibility for reasonable judgment is in the hands of the organization (NMMA), much of the responsibility rests with the race tracks.

We can change the landscape of the NMMA by simply becoming involved in the leadership structure. It is more difficult at the track level without becoming an owner or promoter.

The NMMA needs a good crop of energetic, reasonable people to help it survive and grow. Becoming a leader takes no money and very little time. It takes a strong sensible voice and it takes responsibility; responsibility for your words and your actions.

There are a few of us out here that want to see organized micro racing survive and prosper. We want the sport of Micro Sprint racing to be around for racers of all ages to be able to have an "affordable" place to enjoy racing, as a competitor, owner, spectator or whatever. In addition, we want our kids to have a safe and enjoyable place to learn the lessons racing teaches.

Micro racing doesn't have to stay as an organized product of the NMMA or any other group, but if it does, I belive it has the best chance of survival.

Richard Kreisel
Region 11 Chairman

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[> Re: Right On!!!!!! -- Bill Meredith, 14:43:09 11/08/06 Wed (kcpgw-vip1.kcp.com/198.62.69.76)

Excellent Post!

I have been in this game since 1980; raced at many different tracks under various sanctioning bodies and power structures - they ALL HAVE FAULTS and you will NEVER make everyone happy!

There is absolutely NO WAY to fully ELIMINATE judgement calls so that conversation is meaningless - REDUCTION - yes, ELIMINATION - impossible!

So the question continues to be front and center - HOW DO WE FIX THIS ORGANIZATION????? WHERE DO WE START??? We the membership elect the officers and we AGAIN re-elected the same WVP so it doesn't much appear we are looking too hard for change does it!

We need an organization for the long term health of this sport, but the current mode of operation within the NMMA is NOT working. I firmly believe it can be fixed, but it will take time and a COMPLETE shake up of the power structure. Are we willing to and able to gut the organization and start again? There isn't much left for 2007 - so MY OPINION IS------ HECK YES ------ let's try something!

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[> Re: Elimination of All Judgment Calls -- Wes, 09:04:00 11/10/06 Fri (wi.wi.com/206.153.209.202)

I never thought I would say this but I do think the WVP has the NMMA best interest at heart. I know it doesn't seem like it, but I have had the opportunity to discuss a few items with the WVP and was also surprised at his response.

We need a PRESIDENT that will take control of this mess and move forward and get the group to the new way! Some items need to be changed without a vote of the membership. If we wait to submit, vote, approve and document the NMMA will be GONE!

We need to Sort out our junk, Set in order our rulebook, Shine up our image, Standardize our events and Sustain all of the items once we implement.

Promote and Market what we have and the rest WILL FOLLOW!

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" Kawasaki 636 -- Richard Kreisel, 10:09:46 11/08/06 Wed (mo-69-68-210-36.sta.embarqhsd.net/69.68.210.36)

The topic of 636cc Multi's continues to be a discussion point among micro racers. Over the past couple of years, I have heard many rumblings, assumptions and suppositions about other manufacturers following suit with Kawasaki and building there own 636cc superbike. If that were the case, micro organizations (NMMA) would have been pressed into serious consideration of the 636 as a multi engine.

However, it has been confirmed; Kawasaki has dropped the 636 from their 2007 offering in favor of a new 600cc "super Ninja". I feel the NMMA and many other micro sanctioning bodies have done the right thing by not allowing the 636cc engine.

Richard Kreisl
Region 11 Chairman

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[> Re: Kawasaki 636 -- Wayne, 14:16:16 11/08/06 Wed (client-216-176-88-94.consolidated.net/216.176.88.94)

>The topic of 636cc Multi's continues to be a
>discussion point among micro racers. Over the past
>couple of years, I have heard many rumblings,
>assumptions and suppositions about other manufacturers
>following suit with Kawasaki and building there own
>636cc superbike. If that were the case, micro
>organizations (NMMA) would have been pressed into
>serious consideration of the 636 as a multi engine.
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>However, it has been confirmed; Kawasaki has dropped
>the 636 from their 2007 offering in favor of a new
>600cc "super Ninja". I feel the NMMA and many other
>micro sanctioning bodies have done the right thing by
>not allowing the 636cc engine.
>
>Richard Kreisl
>Region 11 Chairman

Richard, You are an energetic guy, so heres one for you to mull over and consider as a rules proposal.
Turn the MULTI class into an OUTLAW class and let the boys spend as much money as they wish. Keep very simple rules for them like the cage dimensions, overall track width, and and engine case rule of 600cc and turn them loose. This should let anyone come to our playground and play. If the entry fee for the OUTLAW cars needs to be raised, then raise that one class only. I say turn them loose and see what we get. Just keep safety in mind when doing so. Keep all the other classes the same and let the A and R class have their wings back. This will keep those classes two classes far from the OUTLAW class in performance. This is just my thoughts and I am very serious about this. There might need to be some tweeking on this, but its a start. Anybody have any other ideas to throw out there, start throwing and lets see what can happen. Thanks Wayne

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[> Re: You beat me to it --- BYE BYE 636 Kawasaki!!!!! -- Bill Meredith, 14:52:53 11/08/06 Wed (kcpgw-vip1.kcp.com/198.62.69.76)

You beat me to the punch!

I am HAPPY to say that the Kawasaki 636 engine is DEAD after the 2006 model year!!!! Thank goodness - now I hope the silly discussions that have rambled on about this stupid engine will finally STOP!

Thank-you NMMA for NOT implementing 636 engines and staking our future on ONE manufacturer. It was only a matter of time before Kawasaki woke up and in 2007 the alarm sounded!

Now if we can come to our senses and ELIMINATE the 1mm overbore (619cc) and make the NMMA a 600cc only organization - we can really save some money in the future!

The 619cc rule is just like the 270cc rule - the engine builders will take large amounts of $$$ to build a 619cc engine for you from a perfectly good 600cc engine.

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[> Re: Kawasaki 636 -- Wes, 08:46:31 11/10/06 Fri (wi.wi.com/206.153.209.202)

Simple bore and stroke, whatever wing you want to try and let it go at that.

A Class & Non-wing Simple bore and stroke - A class determine a MINMUM WING SIZE.

R Class same a A Classs with addition of 3/4" restrictors.

Let's run what everyone else seems to want to run.

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" Trophy Girl -- Richard Kreisel, 13:25:34 11/09/06 Thu (mo-69-68-210-36.sta.embarqhsd.net/69.68.210.36)

I saw this post on Micro Outlaws' message board and found it thought provoking.

THE MAN WHO INVENTED DRAG RACING
By: George Klass
Probe Industires

Did you know that the guy that invented drag racing was the same guy that invented "heads-up" drag racing? I bet that some of you hadn't realized that fact.

Through a friend of a friend of a friend, I was able to arrange a meeting with this great man. He's quite old now, walks with a cane, is a little hard of hearing and still lives in the same house he's lived in for the last 50 years.

After I introduced myself and told him a little about my background (went to my first drag race in 1953 at San Fernando, CA) and discussed "old times", I got up the nerve to ask him about the beginnings of drag racing. Like, how did he come to invent it in the first place?

After some contemplation, he told me that after he and his buddies came back from the war (WW II) they nothing to do on the weekends. "Disneyland hadn't opened yet, there was no sports on TV, the dry lakes weren't open every weekend, so what else was there to do?" He continued, "We were guys and we had cars, so I invented drag racing." Wow.

He told me that he hadn't been following drag racing for a while and we talked a little about some of the changes. I told him that I was involved with creating "rules" for one of the heads-up organizations that had a drag race series. He seemed confused about the term "heads-up" ("Is there any other kind?", he asked), but told me that he had also created a rulebook many years ago. He slowly walked (hobbled) over to an old bookcase and after rummaging around for a while, produced a pamphlet entitled Drag Racing Rules. This was unbelievable. I was looking at one of the first (perhaps the actual first) Rule Book. I eagerly opened it up and read the rules.

The first paragraph was titled FORMAT. It said, and I quote; "Two vehicles will line up side by side at the beginning of a quarter mile strip. When the starter raises his flag, both cars will be permitted to accelerate to the end of the quarter mile strip. The first to cross the finish line is declared the winner. The winning vehicle will be eligible to repeat this process until there are only two vehicles remaining in competition. The last vehicle to cross the finish line first will be declared the Top Eliminator."

The next paragraph was called AWARDS. It said; "The Top Eliminator will receive a trophy and have his picture taken with the Trophy Girl. Please keep your hands off the Trophy Girl."

That's it. There was no mention of payouts, round money, runner-up money, semi-money, contingency money, money for getting through tech, money for showing up at the starting line, tow money, nothing about money at all.

And the final paragraph was simply titled SAFETY. This I studied carefully, as I'm an official SFI Certified Technical Inspector. It said, and I kid you not; "Race at your own risk."

I told him that his rule book was a little "thin" and he hadn't addressed different drag racing classes. He agreed and said that if he had it to do over again, he would have created classes. He went on to say that he would have had a class for vehicles "with fenders and a class without fenders."

I told him that today's racers required approximately 8 to 10 classes, each with a variety of weight breaks to compensate for different displacements, suspension systems, tire sizes, power adders, transmission types, etc., etc., etc. He seemed shocked at this and in fact was surprised that drag strips even had scales to weigh the cars ("What for?" he asked.) I explained that some racers used parts that were less competitive than parts that some other racers used, and demanded that they be awarded a weight break, so that they would be happy (which they never seemed to be, anyway). He told me that that problem had come up years ago, also. He recalled that there was "this guy" who wanted "some other guy" penalized because he had three Stromberg 48s, and his car only had two. I asked him how he handled this problem. "Simple", he replied. "I told the first guy to add another carb."

I wondered how racers today would accept this response. If, for instance, racer "A" expected a 200 pound weight break because he was running an automatic trans and racer "B" was using a clutchless 5-speed, could I just tell racer "A" to "get a stick" and get away with it? Probably not.

He asked me why a racer could purposely choose to use parts that provided less performance and then expect to get a "weight advantage" over a guy who used higher performance parts? I didn't have a ready answer for that one other than to mumble something about "keeping competition even". He asked why that was important, "shouldn't the fastest guy win?" and I didn't have a ready answer for that one, either.

I told him that sometimes it seemed that some of today's heads-up racers seemed more concerned with penalizing the quicker combinations and what the money payouts were going to be, than in actually racing.

"Money?" he responded. "What ever happened to the Trophy Girl?"

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" outlaw and nmma -- troy, 08:06:44 11/09/06 Thu (adsl-64-149-32-133.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net/64.149.32.133)

the last few post on here have been cuting edge. one thing that all might think of is if the nmma makes a come back make it so outlaw cars can race nmma tracks, nmma rules or track rules for no points or year end stuff. there are alot of cars out there that would race more if it was not for dues, fees, ect that they feel they get nothing for. what is wrong with nmma cars traviling as a group to outlaw tracks. things can work both ways. example, poweri non member any one can race 1 to all races. you win you get paid, but you are not in the points,or you can join and be in the for very little money and save i think 5$ a race on entry. this also lets you win a poweri title. the temp fee for a racer to race a nmma track is way to high if you are not racing for nmma points. rember family, freinds,kids, fri/sat fun. are family loved going to sweetspring, now 30 or 40$ plus cost to race there is to much, or 75 or 80$ to join and feel it is money that is just gone. i think most tracks or promoter will say fans in the stands and a big car count is what it will take to kick start the sport. i just hope nmma or some body can find a way to just get outlaw and nmma united. i do not have the answer but the ideas that people are talking about now could make 2008 one of best years ever.

troy

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" Tracks For 07 -- Jim, 14:57:11 11/02/06 Thu (dialup-4.252.227.187.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net/4.252.227.187)

Could Anyone Tell Me What Tracks Will Be Sancationed With The NMMA In 07.And There Locations Please.. Thanks

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[> Re: Tracks For 07 -- Brian, 13:28:42 11/03/06 Fri (NoHost/205.166.194.2)

>Could Anyone Tell Me What Tracks Will Be Sancationed
>With The NMMA In 07.And There Locations Please.. Thanks

No tracks in Indiana now

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[> Re: Tracks For 07 -- Nate Deweerd, 15:51:08 11/03/06 Fri (74-33-128-139.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.128.139)

No tracks in Oklahoma

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[> Re: Tracks For 07 -- microo21, 21:50:32 11/03/06 Fri (12-214-232-52.client.mchsi.com/12.214.232.52)

no tracks in iowa!!

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[> Re: Tracks For 07 -- Paige, 09:21:04 11/04/06 Sat (mo-71-1-111-52.dhcp.embarqhsd.net/71.1.111.52)

Great track in Sweet Springs, Mo. Always has a good car count and exciting racing.

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[> Re: Tracks For 07 -- Andy Brink, 08:22:55 11/08/06 Wed (NoHost/12.206.94.197)

Is that it. There is only one track left. Is it going to cost less to join the nmma for the 07 season.

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" NW #9 #10 -- racer, 13:43:10 11/07/06 Tue (mo-71-0-217-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net/71.0.217.126)

I just would like to know if the #9 and #10 cars in the nation (non wing) can run the number but with no trophy since they race 3 big shows but not 4... thanks

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[> Re: NW #9 #10 -- dfritz, 04:29:09 11/08/06 Wed (proxy-3261.bay.webtv.net/209.240.206.207)

>I just would like to know if the #9 and #10 cars in
>the nation (non wing) can run the number but with no
>trophy since they race 3 big shows but not 4... thanks

Since the criteria for national recognition was not met I would think that the answer is no.

The "A" class has a person that had more points than #10 but did not meet the criteria (just like you) therefore is not being recognized and have the opportunity to run a top ten number.

dfritz

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