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" NMMA , FUHRER and SCHUTZSTAFFEL -- Vonhaffel, 17:04:38 01/29/07 Mon (host-209-215-21-155.owb.bellsouth.net/209.215.21.155)

Gerade, wondernd wenn sie getan der intelligenten sache und abgefunden, die meisten von ihnen schrag erhalten sie durch ihren kopt, dab das organsation uberleben wurde nur wenn aller sie beendigen?

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[> Re: NMMA , FUHRER and SCHUTZSTAFFEL -- david robinson, 04:21:31 01/30/07 Tue (NoHost/12.206.114.247)

Was sollt das? mien deutsch ist nicht perfect aber naja schreib mal in English.. oder hast du angst!!!!!!!!!!

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[> [> Wow -- Wade Huisman, 08:29:10 01/30/07 Tue (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

Ich bin nicht sicher, was auch nicht ein von Ihnen ermüdet, um zu sagen. Aber es ist der Spaß, zum auf Deutsch zu sprechen!


Que diriez-vous de des instigateurs de ce groupe ici ? Quel grand travail ils font, A ! ! !

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[> [> [> Re: Wow -- Judy, 12:00:41 01/30/07 Tue (dsl-atm-66-201-147-118.oregontrail.net/66.201.147.118)

Rough translation again:

1. I am not sure, not whatever one from you, in order to say, tires. But it is the fun, to the, to speak in German!

2. What would you think of instigators of this group here? What big work they make, HAS! ! !

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[> [> Re: NMMA , FUHRER and SCHUTZSTAFFEL -- Judy, 11:59:27 01/30/07 Tue (dsl-atm-66-201-147-118.oregontrail.net/66.201.147.118)

Once again a VERY rough translation:

Shall what this? mien German is not naja in English perfect, however, writes once.. or you have afraid!!!!!!!!!!

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[> Re: NMMA , FUHRER and SCHUTZSTAFFEL -- Judy, 11:56:30 01/30/07 Tue (dsl-atm-66-201-147-118.oregontrail.net/66.201.147.118)

Gave me something new to do!!!

Here's a VERY rough translation via the Babylon program:

Straight ones, wondernd if them done the intelligent thing and compensated, most of them schrag (things?) keep them kopt (bought? Swedish) by their, dab organsation uberleben (survive?) became only if everything them to finish?

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[> Re: NMMA , FUHRER and SCHUTZSTAFFEL -- Brent, 12:11:28 01/30/07 Tue (client-216-176-81-143.consolidated.net/216.176.81.143)

Does anyone have the gut's to say this in English? If you got something to say then grow a pair and say it, but if it is not going to help, offer a suggestion or be any kind of constructive critisism then do everyone a favor and keep it to yourself.

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[> Re: NMMA , FUHRER and SCHUTZSTAFFEL -- dave robinson, 13:53:18 01/30/07 Tue (NoHost/12.206.114.247)

this is what i said, < what is with this... my german is not perfect, but why don't you write in english, are you scared or something, .... I can speak german better than I can write it...

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What happened to all the messages dated between 12/22 and 1/25?

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[> There was a glitch in the program, Jake. Nothing done on purpose. -- Webmasters Office, 13:38:00 01/29/07 Mon (12-207-154-138.client.mchsi.com/12.207.154.138)


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What happened with Mr.Smileys message went back to read it better and it was gone????????

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[> We were told to take it off, something wasn't quite right, I guess. -- Webmasters Office, 08:33:15 01/29/07 Mon (12-207-154-138.client.mchsi.com/12.207.154.138)


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" What the NMMA offers a Track -- Joe Smiley, EVP, 13:45:53 12/18/06 Mon (NoHost/170.143.252.33)

What the NMMA offers a Track


1. The NMMA guarantees to each affiliated track that no
other track will be given a sanction to race on the
same day/night within a 50 mile radius of their track
2. A rulebook that is current and only one we have.
Rulebooks are the same at all tracks for one year.
3. Our rules will not change for one year. When a rule is
adopted in August at the Nationals it will be given one
year to see if it works.
4. We award National Points and track them for everyone.
5. Tracks are inspected for safety before we sanction them
and then once a year after that.
6. We award our big championship races to tracks that are
qualified to run them and this is a big boost to the
tracks financial status.
7. The NMMA Director of Competition sees that a track does
furnish some form of Insurance for the drivers.
8. The NMMA sets the purse for the Sectional and National
races by car count.
9. The drivers are responsible for their owners and pit
crews.
10.The NMMA requires safety inspections on cars at all
championship races so you do not have an unsafe car on
the track with you.
11.The NMMA gives back $4.00 per member to the Region
where a driver joined.
12.At this time we do not have a points purse. At the
Nationals board meeting Dean Hathman and Richard
Kriesel said they would take the job to locate someone
to help form a points purse for 2007, but at this time
they have not reported back to the board. If they do
not report back then the board will start looking into
this themselves. The NMMA is interested in giving the
drivers a point’s purse; it just has not been created
yet. More on this later.

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[> Re: What the NMMA offers a Track -- Brent, 14:33:31 12/18/06 Mon (client-216-176-81-143.consolidated.net/216.176.81.143)

>What the NMMA offers a Track
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>1. The NMMA guarantees to each affiliated track that
>no
> other track will be given a sanction to race on the
> same day/night within a 50 mile radius of their
>track
>2. A rulebook that is current and only one we have.
> Rulebooks are the same at all tracks for one year.
>3. Our rules will not change for one year. When a rule
>is
> adopted in August at the Nationals it will be given
>one
> year to see if it works.
>4. We award National Points and track them for
>everyone.
>5. Tracks are inspected for safety before we sanction
>them
> and then once a year after that.
>6. We award our big championship races to tracks that
>are
> qualified to run them and this is a big boost to
>the
> tracks financial status.
>7. The NMMA Director of Competition sees that a track
>does
> furnish some form of Insurance for the drivers.
>8. The NMMA sets the purse for the Sectional and
>National
> races by car count.
>9. The drivers are responsible for their owners and
>pit
> crews.
>10.The NMMA requires safety inspections on cars at all
> championship races so you do not have an unsafe car
>on
> the track with you.
>11.The NMMA gives back $4.00 per member to the Region
> where a driver joined.
>12.At this time we do not have a points purse. At the
> Nationals board meeting Dean Hathman and Richard
> Kriesel said they would take the job to locate
>someone
> to help form a points purse for 2007, but at this
>time
> they have not reported back to the board. If they
>do
> not report back then the board will start looking
>into
> this themselves. The NMMA is interested in giving
>the
> drivers a point’s purse; it just has not been
>created
> yet. More on this later.

I do have one question Joe, according to #7 the NMMA Director of Competition makes sure the tracks furnish some form of Insurance on the driver's. Now, I was told that $40 of our $75 membership fee was for insurance. If the track's have to furnish their own Ins. then what happen's to that membership money and if that money isn't for ins. then I would like a breakdown of where it actually goes. It's stuff like this that discredit's the NMMA and makes it look like the board is using it's member's.

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[> [> Re: What the NMMA offers a Track -- Joe Smiley, EVP, 18:01:35 12/18/06 Mon (host-65-7-68-201.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.68.201)

To answer your question this is the breakdown of what your $40 goes toward: Medical Insurance, Life insurance and up to $800 on Ambulance service.
The Track is required to carry Particpant Legal Liability Insurance (IE-Insurance that pays for any injury that happens to a particpant).

If you have more questions I will be happy to answer them.

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[> [> [> Re: What the NMMA offers a Track -- Brent, 19:20:55 12/18/06 Mon (client-66-116-1-227.consolidated.net/66.116.1.227)

>To answer your question this is the breakdown of what
>your $40 goes toward: Medical Insurance, Life
>insurance and up to $800 on Ambulance service.
>The Track is required to carry Particpant Legal
>Liability Insurance (IE-Insurance that pays for any
>injury that happens to a particpant).
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>If you have more questions I will be happy to answer
>them.

Thanks Joe, but I do want to throw one thing at you and tell me what you think. How cost effective would it be for the driver's to just give part of the money to the track to carry that same insurance and use the rest for other more useful thing's. I am literally going to pay one of the local newspaper's, out of my own pocket, to have a guy come out and do interview's with some of the driver's and put somewhat of a bio in the paper once a week. Now, I know the guy so he is cutting me a little bit of a break but nothing like this is being done. I don't know how you feel about it, but wouldn't the "pitstop" money be better spent in way's that the general public could see or read more about these car's and their driver's. Just throwing some thing's out there, let me know what your thinking.

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[> [> [> [> Re: What the NMMA offers a Track -- Terry, 07:12:44 01/29/07 Mon (cpe172-91.wireless.dnv.cooketech.net/66.213.172.91)

Brent,
Why would a local paper be charging you to do an article?? You call up the sports editor and let him know you have a story and they are usually more than happy to do it. They gotta fill the paper up somehow!!
Really if they are charging you go to a different paper!

Terry

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[> Re: What the NMMA offers a Track -- Mike Popham, 19:48:04 12/18/06 Mon (12-192-31-201.cell1net.net/12.192.31.201)

Joe, thats a good summary, thanks.

Now will Pat promote it to the drivers outside of the NMMA ?

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[> [> Re: What the NMMA offers a Track -- Joe Smiley, EVP, 19:50:31 12/18/06 Mon (host-65-7-88-206.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.88.206)

I would hope that he will but I can not speak for Pat.

Thanks
Joe Smiley, EVP

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[> Re: What the NMMA offers a Track -- Judy, 22:40:32 12/18/06 Mon (dsl-atm-66-201-147-118.oregontrail.net/66.201.147.118)

Gentlemen,

It's nice to see some constructive dialog on here again. Thank you for helping that to happen!!

As long as there is still communication in a civil manner there will always be hope to pick up the pieces and make things better. Remember that change can be a GOOD thing!! Maintain an open mind and amazing things can happen.

Have a nice day!

Judy

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[> Re: What the NMMA offers a Track -- Andy Brink, 08:14:00 12/19/06 Tue (NoHost/12.206.94.197)

Joe, I am not trying to start a arguement but all the rules in the world are not worth a nickle if they are not enforced. There was a problem with rule #9 this year and it seems like the nmma solution was to delete the post. I hope the nmma learns from their mistakes and can survive. With that said I feel we need a national organization so we can travel and race with one set of rules. Andy Brink

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[> [> Re: What the NMMA offers a Track -- Ray Vander Wielen, 11:47:23 12/19/06 Tue (NoHost/70.151.181.61)

The water has been long run over the dam, and bringing up past issues is not going to bring about needed change. I'm sure given these last few months that strict enforcement of the rules will be adheard to.I have not had a NMMA track to run at in years, my last time to a NMMA event was the Nationals at Marion.

I would recommend that the rules not be open to the general membership for changes. Impliment a rules committee and work around a three year review of the rules. The committee would be elected by the membership every three years. This would add some stability to the rules and hopefully reduce the self intrest type rules changes. If a rule doesn't seem to be working the committee would have authority to make changes or delete.

To gain tracks and members I think the NMMA needs to take its show on the road so to speak and schedule races at different venues like POWRI does. We need to look for tracks that don't know what Micro racing is about and schedule on thier off nights as most of these tracks have a full program with fendered race cars.I.E. Have a TN state race at Clarksville speedway on Sunday night and/or a region 4 race. It would introduce the organization and this type racing to a new population along with giving it that traveling show type feel like WOO, powrI ect. Clarksville runs Micros on Saturday so you would need to make entry to participate easy with inspections of non-members and a decal showing they have been inspected (the decal needs to be attractive as racers do like thier stickers) the decal would also increase exposure and hopefully be a advertising billboard for the NMMA. Make the nonmember entry fee $5.00 more than the members fee. No points if you are not a member. There needs to be a concerted effort by the membership to support these races so there are good car counts. Sponsorship for the points fund needs to be backed with a rule like American racer only on RR. Can we find a Traveling Series sponsor (AutoZone) to compete with O'Reilly's series. If you do the members need to let the store in this example know you are there because they sponsor your racing organization.

To talk about the rules that need to be changed would be beating a dead horse I think the leaders of this organization know what needs to be done.

Wouldn't it be awesome if the NMMA sponsered a Vanderbuilt burn clinic or childrens hospital fund raiser race like in NE. WOW that would truely be a family orientated event. It could be to benefit any family type organization or for our fallen troops families who need help.

Just some thoughts!
Ray Vander Wielen

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[> Re: What the NMMA offers a Track -- RACER, 18:38:15 12/19/06 Tue (adsl-69-154-18-79.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net/69.154.18.79)

>WHO CARES WHAT NMMA OFFERS WE ARE OUT OF THERE AND HOPFULLY WE DONT COME BACK,BEST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPEN TO THE NMMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO ----- BYE FOREVER

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[> [> Re: What the NMMA offers a Track -- joe Smiley EVP, 19:20:55 12/20/06 Wed (host-65-7-66-205.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.66.205)

Racer I do not know who you are or care but if you feel this strongly against the NMMA you made the right decision
to leave.Wish you the best in your new indevers.
A merry Christmas to you and your family.
Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

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This is what shows in the msn.com , white pages, could this be him. I searched for Danville,IL but this is what came up. Glad to help.


Wright, E J
11393 N 1800 East Rd, Apt 1
Westville, IL 61883-6245
(217) 267-2508

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[> Re: Blaine -- Mark, 15:40:19 01/26/07 Fri (82-114.69-92-cpe.cableone.net/69.92.82.114)

>This is what shows in the msn.com , white pages, could
>this be him. I searched for Danville,IL but this is
>what came up. Glad to help.
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>Wright, E J
>11393 N 1800 East Rd, Apt 1
>Westville, IL 61883-6245
>(217) 267-2508
217-474-0065 is a number with his name on Il/Mo. classified board.

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[> Re: Blaine -- jc hopper, 23:50:24 01/26/07 Fri (74-136-197-150.dhcp.insightbb.com/74.136.197.150)

In addition to what has already been given to you, you can try Wright Motor Company in Danville, Illinois. There is two different phone numbers in the Phone book for that business, since they have two different locations. One on the south side of Danville and one on the north end of town. 217-443-0065 & 217-431-5366. You can give those a try, also, maybe even Terry Dines at Dines Performance & Machine could help you out......his number is 217-443-4400. Hope this helps you. jc

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[> Re: Blaine -- Blane, 20:03:43 01/27/07 Sat (74-129-236-252.dhcp.insightbb.com/74.129.236.252)

>This is what shows in the msn.com , white pages, could
>this be him. I searched for Danville,IL but this is
>what came up. Glad to help.
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>Wright, E J
>11393 N 1800 East Rd, Apt 1
>Westville, IL 61883-6245
>(217) 267-2508
Thanks guys for all your help!

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Does anybody have a phone number for Eldon Wright out of Danville Il?

Thanks

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" Joe, the NMMA offers what ? -- Mike Popham, 14:19:49 12/16/06 Sat (12-192-31-201.cell1net.net/12.192.31.201)

I'd address this to Pat, but he won't respond to anything or anyone that he don't agree with.

So Joe, here's a simple question that if answered good enough will get as many tracks as the NMMA can handle back....

If you were to go to the ShootOut in Tulsa and talk to the hundreds of drivers there, What would you tell them that the NMMA has to offer that their present tracks don't ?

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[> Re: Joe, the NMMA offers what ? -- jim slade, 18:21:55 12/16/06 Sat (12-201-47-148.client.mchsi.com/12.201.47.148)

one set of rules and specs

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[> [> Re: Joe, the NMMA offers what ? -- Mike Popham, 20:45:47 12/16/06 Sat (12-192-31-201.cell1net.net/12.192.31.201)

>one set of rules and specs

Jim, are you saying that the rules change mid-year at outlaw tracks but never at a NMMA track ? Do the NMMA dues guarantee you that the rules do not change mid-year?

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[> [> [> YES THEY DO -- Joe Smiley EVP, 06:27:39 12/17/06 Sun (host-65-7-69-229.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.69.229)


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[> Re: Joe, the NMMA offers what ? -- Jeremy, 06:56:38 12/17/06 Sun (h460cc294.area2.spcsdns.net/70.12.194.148)

Great question Mike... that is really what it comes down to, isn't it? Is that the only response we are going to get Joe/Pat?

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[> Re: Joe, the NMMA offers what ? -- kartkd27@aol.com (sad), 13:40:33 12/22/06 Fri (NoHost/12.206.117.176)

>I'd address this to Pat, but he won't respond to
>anything or anyone that he don't agree with.
>You know Ias a person have been with this sport for 26 years of my life. I have been on here reading all of the non sence.Everybody wants to complain, but nobody wants to fix it.Mr.Popham wake up,I have known you all my life.I use to look up to you.If you want to drive again go outlaw.I am here to tell you that you will not like it there either.If this organization goes I will be sad.I would personally blame all the people like you.Everybody says outlaw is where its at,well its not.The cream of the crop is right here.Get off the boards back & try to help them.I have read what you have said Popham,I have a Question for you. What has happened to the Mike Popham we all used to know?The one driver that did all his talking on the track, not from the bleachers.I have read alot more than just his comments.
>So Joe, here's a simple question that if answered good
>enough will get as many tracks as the NMMA can handle
>back....
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>If you were to go to the ShootOut in Tulsa and talk to
>the hundreds of drivers there, What would you tell
>them that the NMMA has to offer that their present
>tracks don't ?

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[> [> Re: Joe, the NMMA offers what ? -- Mike Popham, 20:23:21 12/24/06 Sun (12-192-31-201.cell1net.net/12.192.31.201)

>>You know Ias a person have been with this sport for
>26 years of my life. I have been on here reading all
>of the non sence.Everybody wants to complain, but
>nobody wants to fix it.Mr.Popham wake up,I have known
>you all my life.I use to look up to you.If you want to
>drive again go outlaw.I am here to tell you that you
>will not like it there either.If this organization
>goes I will be sad.I would personally blame all the
>people like you.Everybody says outlaw is where its
>at,well its not.The cream of the crop is right
>here.Get off the boards back & try to help them.I have
>read what you have said Popham,I have a Question for
>you. What has happened to the Mike Popham we all used
>to know?The one driver that did all his talking on the
>track, not from the bleachers.I have read alot more
>than just his comments.

If you know me so well, then you know full well that my Dad help start the local club and was one of the original members of the NMMA. That my brother Ron and I have spent our entire lives involved in the local track and the NMMA. 26 years ago Ron was already in his 4th year of driving. He was #1 in the Nation 2 times, is in the Drivers Hall of Fame and we were both awarded NMMA Mechanics of the Year. I was the Region 2 Contest Chairman for around 10 years and was also a Region 2 vice Chairman. I voted on the Rules Committee at the Nationals for over 10 years. Ron was a Club president and a member of the perm board. There is very little at the local track that we haven't either built or worked on. How do you think we feel seeing it die !??!?! Since Charleston appears to be the only track left in the NMMA and considering there is hundreds of "outlaw" tracks, it appears that the problems are quite a bit deeper than you think.

Do you know how much time I've already spent on the phone in the last month or so ?

What statements have I or my brother said that weren't accurate?

Have you done more on the National, Region or Club level than we have ?

What solutions have you offered on here?

I don't hide my feelings or my name. Too bad you can't say the same.

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" Found this on Micooutlaws.com -- Jake (Pretty funny), 15:34:31 12/05/06 Tue (ws151191.housing-ec.siu.edu/131.230.151.191)

FOR SALE: NMMA (National Modified Midget Association)

Fifty year old racing organization with rich history.

Matching numbers (but they don’t add up)

No longer running, believed motor removed piece by piece over last few years.

Been on its top a few to many times, needs repair.

Wheels fell off, not sure where they might be.

Very little maintenance performed other than slight changes to rule book.

A few tarnished trophies included but little or no cash.

Parked under a tree, may have become home to a few squirrels and nuts.

Huge potential but would be a real project for restoration.

Make Offer…….or feel free to add your own description.

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[> Re: Found this on Micooutlaws.com -- Harold, 13:51:26 12/22/06 Fri (NoHost/12.206.117.176)

>FOR SALE: NMMA (National Modified Midget Association)
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>Fifty year old racing organization with rich history.
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>Matching numbers (but they don’t add up)
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>No longer running, believed motor removed piece by
>piece over last few years.
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>Been on its top a few to many times, needs repair.
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>Wheels fell off, not sure where they might be.
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>Very little maintenance performed other than slight
>changes to rule book.
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>A few tarnished trophies included but little or no
>cash.
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>Parked under a tree, may have become home to a few
>squirrels and nuts.
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>Huge potential but would be a real project for
>restoration.
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>Make Offer…….or feel free to add your own description.
You want to go outlaw, THen go. THere is no room for anon driving fool like your self here.The only reason you win races is because you deliberately take people out.That is all right because it will happen to you, then you will cry like the child you are.I will not miss your kind.

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" NOSE WINGS -- W.Pat McGrath, 13:14:18 12/21/06 Thu (r163h2.dixie-net.com/64.89.163.2)

The Board of Directors has reversed there decision and are going to allow the nose wings on the "A" and restrictor classes. MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR

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[> Re: NOSE WINGS -- ed carter, 14:28:52 12/21/06 Thu (client-216-176-88-75.consolidated.net/216.176.88.75)

its nice to know your still alive and willing to make changes while your still in the mood how about the ceramic bearings in the jrs. we only have one more year.if the reason to stop the ceramics. was for saving us money like george said it was it will save me from tearing down two motors and saving about 700.00. even if you don,t change this rule we will still run nmma . if there still is one left to run at.it is this kind of things is the main reason so many are leaving. the only thing is they thank they are doing the right thing but we think its out of the frying pan into the fire .PS THATS MY OPINION. BIGGER PAY OUTS COME FROM THE RACERS THEY JUST DON,T SEE WHAT THEY DON,T WANT TO SEE THANKS ED CARTER

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[> [> Re: NOSE WINGS -- Joe Smiley EVP, 15:31:33 12/21/06 Thu (host-65-7-95-5.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.95.5)

>Ed the Jr Sprint rules are based on IKF rules and they do not allow Ceramic Brgs.This rule cannot be changed untill next year.I got a E Mail From George Shear answering some
questions I had and He said he thought that WKA was also going
to outlaw them because of price.
Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

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" WCS -- Shannon, 22:13:29 12/20/06 Wed (dialup-4.159.98.36.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net/4.159.98.36)

Just a reminder to get your RSVP sent to me for the Wayne County Speedway banquet Jan. 6. This is the only way we have of knowing how many people to prepare food for. Kenny Brown will be coming as our guest and Doug Stringer also. We will hear from both of these gentlemen about their racing experiences.

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" WORTH SAVING -- ED, 16:37:52 12/20/06 Wed (client-216-176-89-37.consolidated.net/216.176.89.37)

WE NEED TO HEAR FROM ARE BOARD FROM THE BOTTOM CLEAR TO THE TOP. WHAT CAN WE DO TO TURN THIS AROUND. WE UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM IS AT THIS TIME WITH EVERYBODY .NOT JUST THE BOARD. BUT IT WILL TAKE EVERYONE WORKING TOGETHER.FOR THE GOOD OF THE NMMA. PS WE NEED TO HEAR FOM THE ELECTED ONLY AT THIS POINT. THANKS ED CARTER

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" NMMA Tracks -- wonderer, 19:45:07 12/14/06 Thu (64-192-64-50.wcg.net/64.192.64.50)

So, how many known tracks are sanctioning with NMMA for 2007?

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[> Re: NMMA Tracks -- ED (GOOD QUESTION), 21:11:40 12/14/06 Thu (client-216-176-88-42.consolidated.net/216.176.88.42)

>So, how many known tracks are sanctioning with NMMA
>for 2007?-- ONE COLES CO, ----

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[> [> Re: NMMA Tracks -- ED (TALK TO US PAT), 12:46:41 12/16/06 Sat (client-216-176-88-118.consolidated.net/216.176.88.118)

PAT IT IS TIME TO DO SOMETHING . IF YOU HAVE THE WAY TO DO IT TELL US IF YOU DON'T TALK TO SOMEBODY .COLES COUNTY CAN'T STAND ALONE. ITS TIME TO FIX THE PROBLEM AND TO GET RID OF THE DUCT TAPE. PS IT ANI'T GOING TO BE EASY YOU MIGHT HAVE TO ASK SOMEBODY FOR HELP.

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[> Re: NMMA Tracks -- Joe Smiley EVP, 20:20:46 12/17/06 Sun (host-65-7-66-134.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.66.134)

>To answer your question there are at the present time two
Coles Co. in IL and Wavelink in NB.Wavelink still has to vote at their meeting so there may be only one for sure.
Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

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[> Re: NMMA Tracks -- dfritz, 04:43:31 12/20/06 Wed (proxy-3245.bay.webtv.net/209.240.206.195)


>So, how many known tracks are sanctioning with NMMA
>for 2007?

At the meeting held on Sunday (12-17-06) the track owner of Wavelink in NE informed us they are not planning on sanctioning for 2007.

Committes were set up for three classes with these meetings set to take place on Sunday January 7, 2007, and put together rule packages. I am on one of these committees.

I see there has not been a formal statement by the track as of yet.

The classes being discussed are Junior Sprints, restrictors, and 600's.

I would say that now there is only one track in the NMMA for 2007.

dfritz

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" f4 carbs -- Allan, 16:42:34 12/15/06 Fri (dialup-4.88.163.136.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net/4.88.163.136)

Looking for a set of momos f4 carbs.

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[> Re: f4 carbs -- ED (NEEDED), 11:22:52 12/17/06 Sun (client-216-176-89-70.consolidated.net/216.176.89.70)

>Looking for a set of momos f4 carbs.-- I HAVE A SET READY TO GO JUST REDONE WE NEED A SET FOR F2 GIVE ME A CALL 217 268 4371 THANKS ED

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[> Re: f4 carbs -- Randy, 03:52:15 12/18/06 Mon (NoHost/65.208.235.66)

If you need any other F-4 parts, let me know. I have switched to Yamaha. 618-534-5007

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" Ceramic Main Bearings KT100 Yamaha Junior Sprints -- George Shear, Total Concept Racing Engines, 14:16:38 12/11/06 Mon (ip68-228-171-249.ok.ok.cox.net/68.228.171.249)

This is a FYI to all Junior Sprint Car owners. The KT100 Yamaha is teched by the IKF Rules. It is NOW a rule that any ceramic main bearings in the cases of the KT100 motor is now ILLEGAL. Please check with your motor builder to make sure you are not running illegal bearings. All of our customers are not running ceramic so you are all okay. This is in section 603 of the IKF Manual and thru out Section 600. This was effective 30 days after the September Rules meeting of 2006.
Thanks
George Shear
Total Concept Racing Engines
www.gokartracingengines.com

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[> Re: Ceramic Main Bearings KT100 Yamaha Junior Sprints -- ed carter (why), 19:08:11 12/14/06 Thu (client-216-176-89-169.consolidated.net/216.176.89.169)

this is one reason we are where we are at today 1 track

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[> Re: Ceramic Main Bearings KT100 Yamaha Junior Sprints -- ed carter (ceramic or more $$), 19:36:06 12/14/06 Thu (client-216-176-89-169.consolidated.net/216.176.89.169)

we ran ceramic bearing motor one full season and 4 nites on quarter mile track at end of are season.i don't think we could have run a briggs that long ps are motor was redone and if i remember bottem end was not touched i need to call don and ask him that why we went ceramic

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[> [> Re: Ceramic Main Bearings KT100 Yamaha Junior Sprints -- George Shear, 12:25:06 12/17/06 Sun (ip68-228-171-249.ok.ok.cox.net/68.228.171.249)

I WAS TOLD BECAUSE OF COST!

we ran ceramic bearing motor one full season and 4
>nites on quarter mile track at end of are season.i
>don't think we could have run a briggs that long ps
>are motor was redone and if i remember bottem end
>was not touched i need to call don and ask him that
>why we went ceramic

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" DO WE NEED A NEW PRESIDENT ??? -- ED CARTER (HELP), 21:36:24 12/16/06 Sat (client-216-176-88-67.consolidated.net/216.176.88.67)

YOU THANK THE RULES HERE ARE BAD OTHER TRACK RULES CHANGE FROM ONE TRACK TO THE OTHER.

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" What do you want? -- Joe Smiley EVP, 16:11:22 12/15/06 Fri (host-65-7-65-179.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.65.179)

If you read all of the messages posted on here in the last few weeks it seems like you want to run only Four classes.
Jr's,Restrictor's,Non Wings and open Multi's.
If you will look back this is what I and LaRae proposed last year at the National's.
We proposed to combine the A and Multi Classes and use a Spec R/R
We proposed to Open up the Rules on all 600cc motors to be the same as the multi class.This would mean no more teching a stock motor.Bore Stroke,Fuel and go home.Would
also do away with the engine claim rule.
We proposed to do away with time trials and go with the
draw.
Each and every one of these proposals were voted down by
Reps from the big tracks voting Self Interest.
Now all but one of these tracks have pulled away from the
NMMA and your new track rules are basicly the rules we
tried to put in last year.
You say that Pat and I woun't come on here and post what we can do to save our Org.
I put in the rules last summer and believe me Pat and I had
talked long and hard about them.
Now you quit the NMMA and go out and adopt the same rules
that you voted down last year.
Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

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[> Re: What do you want? -- Todd, 17:25:12 12/15/06 Fri (c-68-51-77-231.hsd1.in.comcast.net/68.51.77.231)

It is never a good idea to just open the rules for all classes. There has to be classes for all the people who do not want to spend 5 to 10 grand on a motor. I would almost bet that these type of people made up half of the members of the NMMA. Racing cost are and always will be out of control, there is no need to just open the flood gates. The restrictor class should be stock and be inforced.

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[> [> Re: What do you want? -- Joe Smiley EVP, 18:49:17 12/15/06 Fri (host-65-7-65-146.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.65.146)

>Todd if you want to build a multi moter in the R Class
what good would it do with a Spec hard R/R tire,a set of
restrictors under the carbs and a 10 Sq. Wing? Will it help?
If you want to build a Multi motor in the N/W Class
with no wings at all and a Spec R/R Tire.Will it help?
The A Class with my Proposals would now be part of the M Class so no problem there.
Thanks Joe Smiley

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[> [> [> Re: What do you want? -- Todd, 17:16:02 12/16/06 Sat (c-68-51-77-231.hsd1.in.comcast.net/68.51.77.231)

Joe, We run at a track that after the NMMA point season was over ran an outlaw race day. We had a Multi class car bolt on our spec right rear tire and put restrictors in. He was in a league of his own when it came to speed, if he could have stayed out of trouble there might not of been anyone on the same lap. So yes I know for a fact it makes a difference.

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[> Re: What do you want? -- Brent, 20:16:52 12/15/06 Fri (client-66-116-1-227.consolidated.net/66.116.1.227)

>If you read all of the messages posted on here in the
>last few weeks it seems like you want to run only Four
>classes.
>Jr's,Restrictor's,Non Wings and open Multi's.
>If you will look back this is what I and LaRae
>proposed last year at the National's.
>We proposed to combine the A and Multi Classes and use
>a Spec R/R
>We proposed to Open up the Rules on all 600cc motors
>to be the same as the multi class.This would mean no
>more teching a stock motor.Bore Stroke,Fuel and go
>home.Would
>also do away with the engine claim rule.
>We proposed to do away with time trials and go with the
>draw.
>Each and every one of these proposals were voted down
>by
>Reps from the big tracks voting Self Interest.
>Now all but one of these tracks have pulled away from
>the
>NMMA and your new track rules are basicly the rules we
>tried to put in last year.
>You say that Pat and I woun't come on here and post
>what we can do to save our Org.
>I put in the rules last summer and believe me Pat and
>I had
>talked long and hard about them.
>Now you quit the NMMA and go out and adopt the same
>rules
>that you voted down last year.
>Thanks Joe Smiley EVP


This should tell you that the heart of the matter is not the the classes or the rules. Most people like the number of classes and to be specific the "A" class. I know a certain driver that finished extremely high in the NMMA points (no names) for the "MULTI" class and guess what r/r tire he uses, the spec NMMA tire. He said it himself that when this thing get's hot it sticks great, so a spec tire rule in the "MULTI" class won't do squat to elimnate "A" class driver's having to spend thousands in motor work to be competitive. If you want to know why tracks are leaving it's because they have realized right now the NMMA does nothing for the driver's except ask for money and then pay's none back. You have to convince the driver's of the benefit's of being in the NMMA and right now there just aren't any. A good question to ask yourself is one thing; What can the NMMA do for it's driver's that the track can't do by itself? I'm not trying to be an ass about this but you have to read between the lines and look at the heart of the matter. Does a woman ever just come out and tell you what she "really" want's? No, you have to know who your dealing with and compare what has worked and what hasn't. The NMMA has to understand that it exists because of the driver's not the other way around. You can't run thing's the same way for year's and year's and the get upset when change has left you behind.
This is not an individual asking for change in self-interest, but a driver asking for change for the benefit of all driver's and team's. The ability to tech a stock 600 motor is not rocket science and with a little bit of mechanical inclination can be done. You can't change the rules to help driver's who don't want to accept the fact that maybe the reason they aren't winning is because of their own inabilities or don't want to take the time to make sure their set-up is right.
The siuation is simple, set-up a top ten points fund and give these driver's something to shoot for. This is just part of what the other series are doing for their driver's and just part of the reason driver's quit joining the NMMA. Like I said before I'm not trying to be an ass, but Joe and Pat this is as much of a "non self-interest" article as I can write to try to get the point across. If I can help then let me know.

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[> [> Re: What do you want? -- Joe Smiley EVP, 23:04:38 12/15/06 Fri (host-65-7-65-124.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.65.124)

Thanks Brent for your reply.It has some very good points
and is not self interest.
Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

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[> Re: What do you want? -- Wayne, 05:54:35 12/16/06 Sat (client-216-176-88-71.consolidated.net/216.176.88.71)

Joe, So we need to start a points fund again. This is a start, If that is what it takes, What can be done? Use the $5 per tire to help and make everyone run a RR stamped tire. Maybe put so much of the entry fee back into a points fund and raise the entry free to accomodate this. I still like the Bore and Stroke on all cars to eliminate the time consuming tech process. Use a stamped RR with no tech. Who cares how soft a tire is? If we all start with the same price for a RR, let it go at that. Just make it have a NMMA stamp on it. It would be so much easier for the tech guy, unless you have the money to pay the tech person. Most ALL that work for the NMMA are volunteer. Lets keep it simple and easy for everyone involved. Pass this on to PAT that we desparately need an emergency meeting to get these rules changes ASAP. I know that there are lawyers that have to be advised about all this, but as long as we sit here and talk and have NO action, the NMMA is getting smaller and smaller. NOW IS THE TIME FOR A NEW NMMA. It can happen, we just need to do it. If the legal crap is holding it up, find a way around it. Remember, It's for the current drivers, the drivers in the future, the fans, and everyone that volunteers their time. GET IT DONE, NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES!! MAKE IT HAPPEN. Someone has to drive it, it is driving itself now, and that is in the wrong direction. Take the wheel and get it going in the right direction again. I will help and do anything I can to see this series continue. It just needs a little TLC from the new people. What worked 30 years ago will not necessarily work today. How many single cylinder 600s to you see running today? Get that out of the book, saves money right there by not have to print all that crazy stuff that has not been used for 10 years. There are a lot of things that we need to get out of the rule book that simply do not apply. Condense it so the average person can read it within an hour. There are not very many people that understand it now, The NMMA does not understand it even, this shows because the NMMA cant do anything because the lawyer has to find out if its right to do or not. This isnt a good thing. I'll help any way I can. Thanks again, Way

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" WCS -- Shannon, 11:49:10 12/15/06 Fri (dialup-4.159.98.53.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net/4.159.98.53)

Wayne County Speedways banquet is fast approaching. We welcome anyone who would like to come and join us for the evening. Several business and sponsors have donated items for the auction. I will list some that I have at this time.

A "race day in the pits" with Doug Stringer Nascar Bush owner with Great Clips race team. This is for 2 guest. The pass can be used at the Daytona Speedway in February or at Gateway in the summer.

Donations from, Hoosier Tire, Brodrix Chassis, Keizer Wheels, Weld Wheels,Factor One, Maximum Dirt,Pizza Hut,Auto Zone,O'Reillys,Napa,Walmart,Lowes,Bell Racing,FTZ,Hurricane Wings (Dean Roberson owner. I will list more as they come in.

WCS would like to thank everyone who has been involved in any way in the support of the track.

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[> Re: WCS -- Racin' 22, 16:16:06 12/16/06 Sat (NoHost/63.167.47.202)

>Wayne County Speedways banquet is fast approaching. We
>welcome anyone who would like to come and join us for
>the evening. Several business and sponsors have
>donated items for the auction. I will list some that I
>have at this time.
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>A "race day in the pits" with Doug Stringer Nascar
>Bush owner with Great Clips race team. This is for 2
>guest. The pass can be used at the Daytona Speedway in
>February or at Gateway in the summer.
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>Donations from, Hoosier Tire, Brodrix Chassis, Keizer
>Wheels, Weld Wheels,Factor One, Maximum Dirt,Pizza
>Hut,Auto Zone,O'Reillys,Napa,Walmart,Lowes,Bell
>Racing,FTZ,Hurricane Wings (Dean Roberson owner. I
>will list more as they come in.
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>WCS would like to thank everyone who has been involved
>in any way in the support of the track.

Sounds like the '07 season is getting started early..Great job Shannon and all the board..You are putting the excitement back into racing at WCS!!!!!!!!!! We'll have as many people as possible attending the banquet.

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" Update! -- Lanny Harvey, 12:58:44 12/15/06 Fri (NoHost/204.120.195.43)

I have several people saying they will come to the meeting but still only 3 tracks represented. If the people AND the tracks aren't interested then I will let it drop. I will go to Dec. 28th and then make a decision. Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas.

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" Check it out -- Jake, 22:45:10 12/14/06 Thu (ws151191.housing-ec.siu.edu/131.230.151.191)

Interesting post at...... www.voy.com/208505

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" Now he's removing links -- Jake, 08:34:59 12/14/06 Thu (ws151191.housing-ec.siu.edu/131.230.151.191)

Hey guys......guess what!!! If you piss Pat off, he'll remove your link from the More Links page......great stuff huh?!

www.voy.com/208505

add it as a favorite if you want.....it'll be on SIR's board also

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[> Jake let them die and REST IN PEACE!!!! MOVE ON -- Your Dad, 18:56:20 12/14/06 Thu (dial-159-52.shawneelink.net/206.125.159.52)

Moat know where your site is anyway

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[> Jake let them die and REST IN PEACE!!!! MOVE ON -- Your Dad, 18:58:30 12/14/06 Thu (dial-159-52.shawneelink.net/206.125.159.52)

Most know where your site is anyway

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" 50 YEAR HISTORY BOOKS -- W. Pat McGrath, 15:56:38 12/12/06 Tue (r63h186.dixie-net.com/64.49.63.186)

Bob has completed the 2006 season pages for the book. Anyone who bought the book can get these pages by sending 2- 39 cent stamps to:

BOB JUNGBLUTH
797 CORTEZ DRIVE
HEMET, CA. 92545

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[> Re: 50 YEAR HISTORY BOOKS -- Stephen, 06:34:36 12/14/06 Thu (216-61-185-10.lees-summit.mo.us/216.61.185.10)

Pat, it is obvious by this message that you attend this site and at least read your post. Do you have a response to the collapse of our organization?

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" Wayne County Speedway 2007 Season -- Jeff Montgomery, 18:44:33 12/10/06 Sun (client-216-176-89-200.consolidated.net/216.176.89.200)

Wayne County Speedway would like to say that we are very excited about the upcoming 2007 racing season. We have some very enthusiastic people helping WCS to move forward. We will be starting out the season with a POWRI outlaw show, also with 2 other classes; non-wing, restrictor or Jr. Sprints. We will be racing weekly's on Friday nights with Outlaw Multi's, Restrictor's, Non-wing's and JRs. We will be running POWRI rules in the multi's; non-wing and restrictor's rules may change slightly, Jrs will have a few changes which are: 1 engine- YAMAHA KT 100 ONLY, 1 FUEL ONLY--VP MS 98, 1 OIL AMZOIL SYNTHETIC ONLY. We will be doing away with the Can Muffler and going with a Tuned Pipe- KB 12 SPEEDWAY PIPE WITH HEADER. Most likely are going to raise the age limit to 14 {but must still be able to meet all safety requirements}. Full list of rules will be on our New Website coming soon. We are trying to keep rules simple and easy to tech, WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED.
We had no choice but to leave the NMMA due to very low NMMA car count.
WCS Awards Banquet will be held Jan. 6th at 5pm at the Wayne City Community Building. Any non-members that would like to attend contact Shannon for ticket info. Come out to this fun time and auction of alot of great merchandise and certificates.
We hope you will come and race with us this summer. We have several new races and changes planned for WCS in 2007. We look forward to seeing you at the track!

Any ?, you can contact us at WCS.
Jeff Montgomery, President,
email cjmotorsports@consolidated.net
Charles Neal, Vice-President,
email charles2121@mvn.net
Shannon Owen, Secratary,
email gslo@earthlink.net

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[> Re: Wayne County Speedway 2007 Season -- Danny, 15:20:14 12/11/06 Mon (NoHost/63.167.47.202)

>Wayne County Speedway would like to say that we are
>very excited about the upcoming 2007 racing season. We
>have some very enthusiastic people helping WCS to move
>forward. We will be starting out the season with a
>POWRI outlaw show, also with 2 other classes;
>non-wing, restrictor or Jr. Sprints. We will be racing
>weekly's on Friday nights with Outlaw Multi's,
>Restrictor's, Non-wing's and JRs. We will be running
>POWRI rules in the multi's; non-wing and restrictor's
>rules may change slightly, Jrs will have a few changes
>which are: 1 engine- YAMAHA KT 100 ONLY, 1 FUEL
>ONLY--VP MS 98, 1 OIL AMZOIL SYNTHETIC ONLY. We will
>be doing away with the Can Muffler and going with a
>Tuned Pipe- KB 12 SPEEDWAY PIPE WITH HEADER. Most
>likely are going to raise the age limit to 14 {but
>must still be able to meet all safety requirements}.
>Full list of rules will be on our New Website coming
>soon. We are trying to keep rules simple and easy to
>tech, WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED.
> We had no choice but to leave the NMMA due to very
>low NMMA car count.
> WCS Awards Banquet will be held Jan. 6th at 5pm at
>the Wayne City Community Building. Any non-members
>that would like to attend contact Shannon for ticket
>info. Come out to this fun time and auction of alot of
>great merchandise and certificates.
> We hope you will come and race with us this summer.
>We have several new races and changes planned for WCS
>in 2007. We look forward to seeing you at the track!
>
> Any ?, you can contact us at WCS.
> Jeff Montgomery, President,
> email cjmotorsports@consolidated.net
> Charles Neal, Vice-President,
> email charles2121@mvn.net
> Shannon Owen, Secratary,
> email gslo@earthlink.net

Wow, this is great....Sounds like the enthusiasm is already there. And I have a lot of respect for the board members. Count the "22" car in for the season!!

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[> Re: Wayne County Speedway 2007 Season -- jeff (wow), 15:51:59 12/11/06 Mon (client-66-116-37-98.consolidated.net/66.116.37.98)

wow its amazing how soon we forget those who helped others out ,when the tough gets going the mind stalls? hasnt wayne city always had low car counts?i remember people from other certain tracks needed volunteers begging drivers to come race and then this is how we say thanks truth is wayne city,marion and few others will always have a low car count ,also true is most could not afford to run nmma rules or classes to compete, so explain to me how this benefits the locals and the "poor boys" racing families who put all they have into a sport where you never have enough money to win is it fun???? this isnt woo,or nascar people, how many drivers went from the nmma to these ?a handful maybe, yes money is important and it would be nice to win a big purse but this is so silly i wasnt going to do this but who cares bash me what ever if you read all the post this is so embarassing who would want to compete against any of you?its funny you all have the answers but when asked to help or run for positions you all belly up weird instead of racing maybe you should pick another hobby where all is perfect, and yeah how weird this all happens this time of year where were all these suggestions at the nationals?,easterns? mmmmmmmmm same people do the same job why ? everyone is too busy trying figure out how fd up every thing else is i remember when my brother and i raced with my father is was great 1 summer he didnt pay the electric bill because we used every cent to race, did we win every race ? no but u know what we had fun and it didnt matter yeah not payin the elec bill was not right but racing was all that mattered the good ole days good luck and lets hope something positive comes from this thanks now bash away

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[> [> Re: Wayne County Speedway 2007 Season -- Jeff Montgomery, 16:26:07 12/11/06 Mon (client-216-176-88-253.consolidated.net/216.176.88.253)

>Jeff, I am not going to bash you. I know where you are coming from. This was not a decision that was taken litely. It took alot of discussion and looking at the big picture this was the only one we could see to be the right one. The rules that are set for the JRs is to help keep the cost down and make it easy to tech these cars. One thing I forgot to put on the JR rules, we will be running under WKA rules not IKF. The Restrictors and Non-wing rules are going to be designed to where no matter how much you spend on your motor in won't do you any good. This will keep the people with not much money to spend will be able to run with the guys that want to throw alot of money into their engines. The only class that is opened up more is the Outlaw Multi's. I do appreciate your response and I know our decision will not appeal to everyone, but this was the best move to make to keep WCS open.







wow its amazing how soon we forget those who helped
>others out ,when the tough gets going the mind stalls?
>hasnt wayne city always had low car counts?i remember
>people from other certain tracks needed volunteers
>begging drivers to come race and then this is how we
>say thanks truth is wayne city,marion and few others
>will always have a low car count ,also true is most
>could not afford to run nmma rules or classes to
>compete, so explain to me how this benefits the locals
>and the "poor boys" racing families who put all they
>have into a sport where you never have enough money to
>win is it fun???? this isnt woo,or nascar people, how
>many drivers went from the nmma to these ?a handful
>maybe, yes money is important and it would be nice to
>win a big purse but this is so silly i wasnt going to
>do this but who cares bash me what ever if you read
>all the post this is so embarassing who would want to
>compete against any of you?its funny you all have the
>answers but when asked to help or run for positions
>you all belly up weird instead of racing maybe you
>should pick another hobby where all is perfect, and
>yeah how weird this all happens this time of year
>where were all these suggestions at the
>nationals?,easterns? mmmmmmmmm same people do the same
>job why ? everyone is too busy trying figure out how
>fd up every thing else is i remember when my brother
>and i raced with my father is was great 1 summer he
>didnt pay the electric bill because we used every cent
>to race, did we win every race ? no but u know what we
>had fun and it didnt matter yeah not payin the elec
>bill was not right but racing was all that mattered
> the good ole days good luck and lets hope something
>positive comes from this thanks now bash away

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[> [> [> Re: Wayne County Speedway 2007 Season -- Julie Bailey, 17:08:13 12/11/06 Mon (adsl-68-77-81-35.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net/68.77.81.35)

We wish you the best of luck. Keep us posted on schedules and rules. Hope to see you up our way again this year.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Wayne County Speedway 2007 Season -- roger allen (wow), 21:29:29 12/11/06 Mon (adsl-76-214-126-181.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net/76.214.126.181)

>We wish you the best of luck. Keep us posted on
>schedules and rules. Hope to see you up our way again
>this year.
cant beleive no w/f motors that 2-cycle only, this will not keep cost down, ran the w/f for 2 years and with only 1 rebuild per year ($500.00) jeff if you want to run it the right way alow both as you know they are pretty even.
i dont think you can do this with the way you as a person like to spend the money to have cars impounded after you guys get beat. hey its your show good luck we are running 600 r this year for fun not the championships that mean nothing

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Wayne County Speedway 2007 Season -- Jeff, 16:28:31 12/12/06 Tue (client-216-176-88-85.consolidated.net/216.176.88.85)

>>Roger I respect your comments. We do feel we are setting it up the right way. From all of the positive feedback and emails we are getting we are sure of it. I don't agree with you on the cost between the 2 engines though. You were the one that told me you had $4000.00 in your Briggs that you run at Logansport last year. I don't have that in both of my Yamahas together, not even close. Normally it cost me around $300 to rebuild one. I had 20 nights of race on my old motor before it neede rebuilt. I don't know how you can get much better. We set the class up due alot in part to 90% of the JRs have Yamahas and the rest briggs. Going with this it will bring the value of the yamahas back along with all of the JRs out there that are for sale with a Yamaha on them. The B&S World Formula (if you were at the meeting at the Nationals last year in OK.) was pushed onto us without any of the JR owners getting to vote on it. I even remember one parent asking if we got to vote on it and he was told no it was a done deal. So Roger we are trying to utilize all of the Yamahas that are still around and awhole lot easier to tech. Good luck in the 600s. Jeff





We wish you the best of luck. Keep us posted on
>>schedules and rules. Hope to see you up our way again
>>this year.
>cant beleive no w/f motors that 2-cycle only, this
>will not keep cost down, ran the w/f for 2 years and
>with only 1 rebuild per year ($500.00) jeff if you
>want to run it the right way alow both as you know
>they are pretty even.
>i dont think you can do this with the way you as a
>person like to spend the money to have cars impounded
>after you guys get beat. hey its your show good luck
>we are running 600 r this year for fun not the
>championships that mean nothing

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[> Re: Wayne County Speedway 2007 Season -- Junior Mom, 07:28:09 12/12/06 Tue (NoHost/63.245.239.8)

I commend you and everyone else working together to try to have a place to race. I do disagree with one thing you have proposed raising the Junior Class to age fourteen is a bad idea. This class is for children to learn to race and then move up to the next class. By the time your a teenage you should have the basics of racing down and move up to the next class. I'm sure several parents would like to keep their children the Junior class because that way they would not have to buy a new car and learn new sit ups but that is part of it. Allow the Junior class to stay a Junior class not a teenage class. Think about it, before making a decission like this. My other question is what will keep the pipe from burning the children and I heard the car will run about 15 to 20 mph faster is that true. Thanks for your time.

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[> [> Re: Wayne County Speedway 2007 Season -- Brian Demland, 09:09:17 12/12/06 Tue (NoHost/205.166.194.2)

>I commend you and everyone else working together to
>try to have a place to race. I do disagree with one
>thing you have proposed raising the Junior Class to
>age fourteen is a bad idea. This class is for
>children to learn to race and then move up to the next
>class. By the time your a teenage you should have the
>basics of racing down and move up to the next class.
>I'm sure several parents would like to keep their
>children the Junior class because that way they would
>not have to buy a new car and learn new sit ups but
>that is part of it. Allow the Junior class to stay a
>Junior class not a teenage class. Think about it,
>before making a decission like this. My other
>question is what will keep the pipe from burning the
>children and I heard the car will run about 15 to 20
>mph faster is that true. Thanks for your time.

I was told it may add a couple mph's to the top speed not much though, the age thing dont matter to me i will just see where my driver's ability is when it comes time to move up. I think it is a good move to get to one engine and it being the KT-100 the briggs can be cheated up allot more making tech a nightmare.

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[> [> [> Re: Wayne County Speedway 2007 Season -- George Shear, Total Concept Racing Engines, 16:34:14 12/12/06 Tue (ip68-228-171-249.ok.ok.cox.net/68.228.171.249)

I just saw this posting and would like to answer the question to you on tech on the new Briggs WF because I have and do build both motors. The World Formula motor is not like the old flat head Briggs, by far. This motor has been thought out very well. I have teched both the 2 cycle and 4, especially the old flat head. IT WAS AND STILL IS A NIGHTMARE! The new World Formula is pretty cut and dried if you read the rule book. You can purchase all the tech tools you need to measure valves, pushrod lengths, degree wheels on the cam, timing and valves along with gram weights on all components. All else needed is a Dial Caliper and Digital Slide Calipers and that is it. For the cheating, it is very hard to do because it is so well spelled out. As far as the 2 strokes, you have to search for good cylinders, best stroke crank and etc., which I know some have spent a $1000.00 for a good cylinder, I do not call that cheap. I can not overhaul a Yamaha for less than $505.00 ( Which is going UP in 2007 )and you need to have it done at least twice a year. The Briggs if maintained, $300 for the year. I make more money on the Yamaha rebuilds and quanity, so the Briggs hurts my shop money but that is life. I just had a customer send his World Formula in to be overhauled, had 28 shows on it, can't do a Yamaha on that, and if you do, the rod bearing may be scattered everywhere. Want to keep it simple, use the World Formula for the kids, plus less trouble, proven fact!
Thanks
George Shear
Total Concept Racing Engines

>>I commend you and everyone else working together to
>>try to have a place to race. I do disagree with one
>>thing you have proposed raising the Junior Class to
>>age fourteen is a bad idea. This class is for
>>children to learn to race and then move up to the next
>>class. By the time your a teenage you should have the
>>basics of racing down and move up to the next class.
>>I'm sure several parents would like to keep their
>>children the Junior class because that way they would
>>not have to buy a new car and learn new sit ups but
>>that is part of it. Allow the Junior class to stay a
>>Junior class not a teenage class. Think about it,
>>before making a decission like this. My other
>>question is what will keep the pipe from burning the
>>children and I heard the car will run about 15 to 20
>>mph faster is that true. Thanks for your time.
>
>I was told it may add a couple mph's to the top speed
>not much though, the age thing dont matter to me i
>will just see where my driver's ability is when it
>comes time to move up. I think it is a good move to
>get to one engine and it being the KT-100 the briggs
>can be cheated up allot more making tech a nightmare.

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2nd annual Race4Life.
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A list of All tracks that have suspended their race dates for memorial weekend will soon be available. The children @ Saint Judes hospital wish to thank all track owners that have given there weekly racers the opportunity to support this event.

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[> WEBSITE WILL BE UP THIS WEEK! -- Jason Newman, 21:20:05 12/11/06 Mon (68-112-37-87.dhcp.btrc.ne.charter.com/68.112.37.87)

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" Postings on the mesage board -- Joe Smiley EVP SVP, 20:35:56 12/04/06 Mon (host-65-7-88-143.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.88.143)

I have been reading all of the message's on this board for
the past several week's.
Some of you say the Board Members are not responding.
I would like to know how we respond when one post say's
they want big wing's and wide wheels with big wide tires.
The next post wants smaller wings and smaller tires and wheels with hard compound tires.
The next post wants to combine the A and M classes and open up the motors to fit the M Class.
I could gone on but you can see why Pat has not responded.
How can the Board give you what you want when every one wants something differante?
This is called SELF INTEREST Voting.
Now to top it off the Western VP sends Loretta a E Mail
asking for the resignation on PAT McGrath the president
Loretta Esworthy the sec/tres and myself EVP SVP
this would now make him the President.(another SELf Interest move)
Pat and Loretta and myself are willing to listen to any suggestion but when every one is differant and only bennefit them(self interest) where do we start?
Thank's Joe Smiley EVP SVP

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[> Re: Postings on the mesage board -- Danny Davidson, 21:01:01 12/04/06 Mon (ip70-185-153-228.lu.dl.cox.net/70.185.153.228)

Joe your point is understandable. But this doesn't excuse the fact that there is no reply at all to the post. If that is your reason for nobody replying than why was there no reply to my post asking why we can't get someone to try and go to the Tulsa Shootout to try and build the NMMA membership and gain tracks. There wasn't another post that conflicted with it.
Surprise us and show everyone that the officers do care about the NMMA and atleast show up and make a attempt to prove everyone wrong.
I guess that it will be proven December 27th thru 30th how much the officers care if the NMMA lives or not. Everyone will know if it is falling on deaf ears adn is a lost cause.
Thanks, Danny Davidson 20+ year NMMA member

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[> [> Re: Postings on the mesage board -- Joe Smiley, 00:17:08 12/05/06 Tue (host-65-7-65-209.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.65.209)

>Danny the president is the only one who can get his expenses paid for a trip like this.Call Pat and talk
to him don't just put it on the message board for all to read.
I am no longer retired due the the medical bills that
my wreck brought on and cannot afford a trip like this
money or time wise.
Thanks Joe Smiley

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[> [> [> Joe, Take it out of the $4,400 the NMMA paid you!!! -- Wade Huisman, 08:12:08 12/05/06 Tue (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

Joe, If the secretary told me correct you got paid $4,400 from the NMMA for vested services this year. Why not give a little back and head to Tulsa and work with the racers. Besides, The rest of us are going & we are taking it out of our own pockets!


Wade Husiman
Huisman Racing Ent.
Keizer Racing Wheels inc.
712-737-3053
kaw@mtcnet.net
www.keizerwheels.com

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[> [> [> [> Sorry joe, -- Wade Huisman, 10:52:19 12/05/06 Tue (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

Sorry Joe, Apparently I was incorrect & the prices of tropheys declined to 3,300 this year. LOL & have a great year.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Sorry joe, -- Wade Huisman, 12:09:56 12/05/06 Tue (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

Sorry, Joe, Looks like I was very, very incorrect. YOu will not get a cent from the NMMA for your troubles this year. My bad. Have a great winter. See you at tulsa if you go.

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[> Here is a brilliant thought -- Gary Bouhl, 06:22:23 12/05/06 Tue (NoHost/63.170.35.88)

Here are some great ideas. Lets do nothing. Lets just sit here and watch people ask hundreds of questions and let them go unanswered. Lets watch as every track jumps out of the NMMA and the car count drops even more. Lets not address the issues of a shrinking organization but lets take the nose wing off of A's and R's....brilliant!!!!! Lets delete any message that YOU (our president) do not like...dodging any questions, hiding in the corner. Lets have a meeting a month before our race season starts and make our new rules so that its to late to help save the organization.

I think everyone is looking for a little INITIATIVE...this is not rocket science!! Everyone else on this board knows of great answers/ways to help this organization...how come every elected person is just sitting on their hands.....make an executive decision!!!!SHOW SOME INITIATIVE!!!!!!!!!

The nmma WAS in competition with outlaw tracks/series however they have taken all of your drivers in better developed programs. It would have made some common since to incorporate the "outlaw" group into the nmma however after all of these years we just sit here and hide from it all. Every outlaw track has 40+ cars racing all during the week..so why wouldn't we do something to include them?

Perhaps our elected president should show some INITIATIVE and make things happen. Why is it our president is merely facilitating meetings between the board and the rules committee? (Yes its understood that we can't make everyone happy....but what was in you mind when the wing rule came into place on A's and R's?) At this point its not about making everyone happy...its about finding a way to increase membership and car counts.

SELF INTEREST VOTING???? People are giving you ideas on how to improve! IS IT IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO WATCH THIS ORGANIZATION SUFFER??? IS THE RULES COMMITTEE AND BOARD DOING THIS ON PURPOSE???? Why else would you just sit there and think things are fine when you are losing tracks and drivers?

Perhaps everyone on the board and rules committee should leave the nmma and let the paying members re-elect. Its obvious nothing is going to change otherwise.

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[> [> Re: Here is a brilliant thought -- PAUL, 15:41:08 12/05/06 Tue (client-66-116-35-117.consolidated.net/66.116.35.117)

Gary, you have good ideas but one question. Where have you been the last 2 years.. not racing N.M.M.A That was really helping,for somebody it is so concerned you should have raced more races with us.

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[> [> [> Re: Here is a brilliant thought -- Brent, 20:34:09 12/05/06 Tue (client-66-116-1-227.consolidated.net/66.116.1.227)

>Gary, you have good ideas but one question. Where have
>you been the last 2 years.. not racing N.M.M.A That
>was really helping,for somebody it is so concerned you
>should have raced more races with us.

Paul, I understand what your saying but why go out of your way to race for an organization that takes your money and run's! The board member's get paid at the end of the year, but they give nothing back to the driver's who pay them? C'mon, your a hell of racer, but even you have to admit that it ain't right!

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[> [> [> Paul -- Gary Bouhl, 06:14:16 12/06/06 Wed (NoHost/63.170.35.88)

I've spent almost 6 years with the nmma. I've said all of the same things when I was a member and now that I am not. I was tired of never having a voice with the organization. I was never apart of the "family" at any level from the track to the national organization. Soooooooo...why stick around? Its obvious that the organization will not change and the "family" is happy with that...we've been fighting these same issues for years now and nothing has changed for the good. I will probably not rest on any of these issues until the entire board leaves this sport.

As long as some parts of the board are still intact THEY WILL NOT ACCEPT the ideas of anyone outside of their "family".

Thanks,
Gary

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[> [> [> [> Re: Paul -- Chuck Hamblin, 17:28:33 12/11/06 Mon (ppp-67-114-111-202.dsl.frsn02.pacbell.net/67.114.111.202)

>I've spent almost 6 years with the nmma. I've said all
>of the same things when I was a member and now that I
>am not. I was tired of never having a voice with the
>organization. I was never apart of the "family" at any
>level from the track to the national organization.
>Soooooooo...why stick around? Its obvious that the
>organization will not change and the "family" is happy
>with that...we've been fighting these same issues for
>years now and nothing has changed for the good. I will
>probably not rest on any of these issues until the
>entire board leaves this sport.
>
>As long as some parts of the board are still intact
>THEY WILL NOT ACCEPT the ideas of anyone outside of
>their "family".
>
>Thanks,
>Gary

Pual..
This same crew was in there back in the 80's and 90's.. I am from California where it used to be called the Western region. Now the Western is in I believe Nebr. now we still have tracks out here that field between 60 to 80 cars every Friday and Saturday night. Stockton, Hanford and Lemoore were all hosts to the Westerns and Nationals. Some of the old timers will remember the good times at the old Lemoore Jet Bowl from the 60's, 70's and 80's with the old Internationals and later the Nationals. Now nothing in California or Arizona, Why...Because Pat and the board would not listen and change wing rules that were being run at the outlaw tracks. So to survive we had to go outlaw. Had they had a special meeting by phone and polled the board and rules committee, But was told that couldn't be done. If it had, there was a good chance there could still be NMMA "OUT WEST".
They have never sucessfully promoted the NMMA for ESPN or Corporate sponsorships for the sport. Now when Riding lawnmowers can get on ESPN and the MICRO SPRINTS can't. That boils down to PROMOTION... From the way it sound PROMOTION from some of the posts, it is to late. The National Board needs to leave their pay in the organization and use their WAGES to PROMOTE the NMMA.
They need to go back and let people in the sport advertize their cars and parts on the message board. Quit being greedy and run prosective members off to the other sites that are glad to serve the sport and see it grow.
Most tracks that have hosted the Nationals California, New York, Arizona, Kansas and Tennessee are no longer members, WHY??? A lot of it is Because the National Board would come in and want to take over and say who is going to Officiate the race and bump the local officials out.
I have been a member of Lemoore club for 35 years and am still out there every Saturday night along with the wife, my Son and his wife and their 16 year old daughter who has been driving fore 8 years already. From Jr Sprint to Restricted and now the Multi class. I still enjoy the sport and seeing all this new young talent coming up though the ranks.
Hopefully the board will start listening the its few members before it is a HISTORICAL society...

Happy Holidays

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UH OH.....what's this?......a Mass Exodous?........Only 2 tracks left and now a post to make it one!? By the way, can it really be called a national organization if there are only two tracks left?

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[> Re: HAHAHA -- jeff (be real), 16:17:06 12/11/06 Mon (client-66-116-37-98.consolidated.net/66.116.37.98)

a little bitter for a past champion huh its hard to repeat the sucess so its easier to jump ship huh? your not as good as youd like to think it takes more than winning races to be a racer so good luck and most wont miss u,oh
most dont even know who the hell you are and i would say this too your face with or without the nmma

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your post was deleted because we do not allow you to sell things on this message board, there is a classified board to sell things on.
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NMMA Webmaster's Office

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" NMMA Disapointment -- Norman Ricketts, 17:54:46 12/05/06 Tue (NoHost/12.192.17.131)

I came across this web page by accident and I ever glad I
did. I have a 8 year old grandson that's been racing QMA
Midgets for just 1 1/2 years and already wants something
faster. So this week I've been trying to deal for a JR.
Sprint however after looking at this page I don't want to
introduce him to all this bickering so I'm going to cancel
the deal and take the wait and see mode with great regret
as we were looking forward to moving up.
Thank You Norman Ricketts

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[> Re: NMMA Disapointment -- Wes, 18:16:49 12/05/06 Tue (adsl-69-154-21-43.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net/69.154.21.43)

Please don't give up on the Junior Sprint class. I think the problem is where you race. At Sweet Springs the Junior class has been excellent. We share parts and knowledge and the kids have a blast.

Wes

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[> [> Re: NMMA Disapointment -- maggie, 19:22:54 12/05/06 Tue (mna6dsl_pool-98.ctcis.net/69.27.214.98)

>Please don't give up on the Junior Sprint class. I
>think the problem is where you race. At Sweet Springs
>the Junior class has been excellent. We share parts
>and knowledge and the kids have a blast.
>
>Wes

This was are first year racing and we love it there at sweet springs. we loved it so much we now have 3 cars.Sweet springs is a great track that has great people and that makes it all worth while. Dont let a few bad apples ruin your fun racing.

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[> Re: NMMA Disapointment -- Pete, 19:59:50 12/05/06 Tue (sed-wireless-216-74-210-162.iland.net/216.74.210.162)

This was our 1st year in a micro, we came from quarter midgets also and we had a great time. Please don't let this message board scare you away. It's not the racers bickering with each other, it's the racers/members expecting the leaders to lead this organization forward and them not delivering. Our track as with the others except 1 will not be sanctioned by this org anymore. We have enjoyed micro's way more than quarter midgets and I'm sure you all will too. If you have any questions feel free to e-mail me.

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[> Re: NMMA Disapointment -- ed carter (ben there done that), 06:24:57 12/06/06 Wed (client-216-176-88-153.consolidated.net/216.176.88.153)

>I came across this web page by accident and I ever
>glad I
>did. I have a 8 year old grandson that's been racing
>QMA
>Midgets for just 1 1/2 years and already wants
>something
>faster. So this week I've been trying to deal for a JR.
>Sprint however after looking at this page I don't want
>to
>introduce him to all this bickering so I'm going to
>cancel
>the deal and take the wait and see mode with great
>regret
>as we were looking forward to moving up.
> Thank You Norman Ricketts
DON'T GIVE UP ON YOUR JR. SPRINT WE HAVE RACED 3 YEARS AT COLES CO. JR SPRINTS NON WING MULTI WITH ALL THE TURMOLE YOU WILL STILL LOVE IT ITS NOT EASY IN ANY ORG. JUST MAKE THE BEST OF IT INJOY YOUR KIDS GRANDCHILDREN OR YOUR SELF WE WILL RUN AT COLES CO AS LONG AS THE DOORS ARE OPEN WHAT GITS ME IS THE ONES THAT ARE WATCHING THE SHIP GO DOWN NO MATTER THE CAUSE AND INJOY IT OR THAT MIGHT JUST BE ME WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS PS EVEN WITH ALL THE TURMOLE THERE IS ALWAYS A HELPING HAND IN THE NMMA MEMBERS JUST A THOUGHT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS GIVE US A CALL 217 246 7865 THANKS ED

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[> Re: NMMA Disapointment -- Shafer Racing, 05:26:06 12/09/06 Sat (DHCP-74-132-91-15.insightbb.com/74.132.91.15)

We raced QM's for 5 years (Region 4). When my son turned 10 in 2005, we went to the 600 restricted class. QMA and the NMMA at the National level are really one and the same. People making rules to benefit the people making rules. Don't let that stop you. I was a KQMA club officer for 4 years. Coming to the 600 track for the last two years and not judging, corner working, flagging, teching, settling fights amoung the parents, etc. is a very welcome change for us. Don't worry about the people on this site who complain, they do that where ever they go and for what ever reason they feel they must. Find a track near home, get a car, and spend a couple of years developing your driver, and if that works, move on to the next step. This is a great platform for teaching your driver the next set of skills they will need to move on. That should be your focus. Feel free to contact us for general more info!
Shafer Racing visit: www.halen36.com

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