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" Not to stir... -- Jake, 19:40:53 03/13/07 Tue (dial-159-37.shawneelink.net/206.125.159.37)

I don't wanna cause any problems, and lords know Loretta and I have had our share of disagreements in the past. But you guys (the NMMA) CANNOT run from what's happened. It's pasted all over the other boards and everyone is seeing it. My point is, why not address it and give yourselves a little credibility rather then diminish what little bit you currently have left. I also know that people really shouldn'r meddle in what's not their problem, but with her being the Sec/Tres of the org. it makes it an issue to every NMMA member past or present. I also understand that the board had an emergency meeting? Can you tell us what happened here?

Sorry if i ruffled anyones feathers.....not my point here

jake

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[> Re: Not to stir... -- Dave, 14:15:15 03/14/07 Wed (adsl-69-148-240-249.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net/69.148.240.249)

I totally agree. STOP Shoving this stuff under the table. We deserve better!

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[> Re: Not to stir... -- Martin, 17:41:23 03/14/07 Wed (c-67-181-219-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net/67.181.219.170)

Besides, if anyone wants to read the full newspaper article, just "Google" Loretta Esworthy and it's the first thing that comes up. It's news, and it should spark some concern in the membership.

>I don't wanna cause any problems, and lords know
>Loretta and I have had our share of disagreements in
>the past. But you guys (the NMMA) CANNOT run from
>what's happened. It's pasted all over the other boards
>and everyone is seeing it. My point is, why not
>address it and give yourselves a little credibility
>rather then diminish what little bit you currently
>have left. I also know that people really shouldn'r
>meddle in what's not their problem, but with her being
>the Sec/Tres of the org. it makes it an issue to every
>NMMA member past or present. I also understand that
>the board had an emergency meeting? Can you tell us
>what happened here?
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>Sorry if i ruffled anyones feathers.....not my point
>here
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>jake

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" NMMA? -- Wade Huisman, 09:44:56 03/12/07 Mon (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

Pat, Joe Or anyone?

Is the NMMA a corp? Non profit group? LLC.? Private Partnership? How is the NMMA set up as a business.

wade

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[> Re: NMMA? -- W. Pat McGrath, 13:56:11 03/12/07 Mon (r163h178.dixie-net.com/64.89.163.178)

We are set up as a 501C non profit.

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[> Re: NMMA? -- Jason, 20:42:51 03/12/07 Mon (r74-195-220-110.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net/74.195.220.110)

The NMMA a Charity? Were annual dues set up to be donations to this charitably organization? What state was the NMMA registered in? NMMA members could have been claiming dues/fees as annual charitable donations on their personal taxes for the last 50 years. That would have been nice to know!

Jason
www.MicroOutlaws.com

>Pat, Joe Or anyone?
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>Is the NMMA a corp? Non profit group? LLC.? Private
>Partnership? How is the NMMA set up as a business.
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>wade

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[> Re: NMMA? -- Ted Wood, 10:18:11 03/13/07 Tue (inetgate23.bp.com/209.165.189.18)

The NMMA is a 501 (c) (7) corporation. In the 501 section of the IRS code is aprox 15 ways an organization may be set up. The section 7 is "A social or recreation club" and the contributions are not deductible under the rules of section 7.

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" http://www.voy.com/208505/ -- Comeandseeus anything goes, 17:23:56 03/11/07 Sun (host-209-215-21-205.owb.bellsouth.net/209.215.21.205)

G. O. I.

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2007 NMMA Application, and 07 Car Spec's -- Webmasters Office, 09:29:12 03/09/07 Fri (12-207-21-154.client.mchsi.com/12.207.21.154)

The 2007 App. and Car Spec's are on line now. Links are on the left side of the front page. We are sorry for all the trouble, we don't understand why we couldn't receive the new spec's through e-mail. (Possibly just a problem with the two software programs not being compatiable or something similar) but Mary Ellen has helped. Thanks Mary Ellen and Pat.

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[> Are one of you using Vista?? -- Joel Fritz, 18:35:39 03/09/07 Fri (h87.147.28.71.ip.alltel.net/71.28.147.87)

If one of you were using Vista, our tech coordinator at the high school I teach at, said that Word, PowerPoint, and Excel documents made on Vista can't be opened on older operating systems (XP, Me, 2000, Etc).

Kind of an interesting problem that will hit the world.

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[> [> Re: Are one of you using Vista?? -- Webmasters Office, 10:55:37 03/10/07 Sat (12-207-21-154.client.mchsi.com/12.207.21.154)

No, not using Vista, but we have it all taken care of. Thanks for the info. it really came in helpful on a few decisions.

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" BAMMA Meeting -- LES RILEY, 12:11:07 03/09/07 Fri (adsl-074-247-131-059.sip.owb.bellsouth.net/74.247.131.59)

BAMMA WILL BE HOLDING THERE MEETING MONDAY 3-12-07 AT THE PONDEROSA IN DRAFFENVILLE KY. ANYONE WANTING TO JOIN THE CLUB CAN JOIN UPON ARRIVAL AND VOTE IN ALL BUSINESS THEREAFTER.

LES RILEY

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" Latest Update? -- dfritz, 16:44:52 03/06/07 Tue (proxy-3245.bay.webtv.net/209.240.206.195)

With less than 60 days to the start of the NMMA season has there been any change in commitments from tracks contemplating sanctioning. The last count noted is one.

dfritz

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" Thank You -- Dwayne, 11:33:24 03/05/07 Mon (static-66-14-202-160.bdsl.verizon.net/66.14.202.160)

We would like to thank all the vendors and racers that brought parts and cars to the swapmeet. Also thanks to all the lookers, buyers and bench racers who took part.

Thanks Miami Co. Speedway

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" Disable the message board -- Carl Stephens, 17:10:12 02/27/07 Tue (209-107-252-121.static.arcola-il.com/209.107.252.121)

I think it is time to disable the message board for those that are not promoting the NMMA. People freely post what they want with in the message board and it's only moderated by one or two. There are new things called forums that will allow the membership to communicate easier. Forums can be divided up into events, car parts question's rule questions and so this would make it easier for people to search for certain article. Forums allow for tracking and require an R number or and I number there for you can see who post what and be able to tell if that person was a member. This needs to be done to help keep what have left together!!
I138

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[> Re: Disable the message board -- Dwayne, 18:05:15 02/27/07 Tue (static-66-14-202-160.bdsl.verizon.net/66.14.202.160)

This type of thinking is part of what got the NMMA where it is today.

R0200

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[> [> Re: Disable the message board -- Rick Fields, 13:34:55 02/28/07 Wed (NoHost/198.208.159.18)

I agree with Dwayne. This is the only national public discussion that we have on the club. I strongly support measures to continue a national membership organization. That is the NMMA. Even though the track I usually race at is not sanctioning NMMA races this year I have renewed my membership for organizational support. Everyone's opinion seems valuable to me. The national discussion and the actions various tracks have taken are producing some positive results.
Keep complaining and submitting ideas. The club will change
or it will cease to exist.
Rick Fields R-0455

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2006 Class Champions -- Webmasters Office (still waiting), 00:54:00 02/28/07 Wed (12-207-21-154.client.mchsi.com/12.207.21.154)

We still need the AAS-Bob Kaufman, A Class-Nick Clifford, NW Class-Richard Kreisel to send a picture or two and a short 2 or 3 paragraph on yourselves for the front page on Champions. Thank you Cody Baker for sending in yours.

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" KAWABUNGA -- Racerx, 18:01:57 02/25/07 Sun (host-208-60-226-217.owb.bellsouth.net/208.60.226.217)

WOW
Is it true that Charlston is going to have the Region,1,2,3,4,5,ect State,any, all memorials, eastern, central, western, and the Nationals. WOW
How are they going to get any weeklys in? not saying any thing about consy or transfers. Are they going to do like some school systems and run year round?
Narley,Dude.

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[> Re: KAWABUNGA -- Dude, 08:00:43 02/26/07 Mon (CPE-65-30-54-210.kc.res.rr.com/65.30.54.210)

Not to rain on your parade but narley starts with a "K"

That is all.

Dude out.

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[> Re: KAWABUNGA -- oops dudette, 17:08:25 02/26/07 Mon (host-209-215-21-209.owb.bellsouth.net/209.215.21.209)

>WOW
>Is it true that Charlston is going to have the
>Region,1,2,3,4,5,ect State,any, all memorials,
>eastern, central, western, and the Nationals. WOW
> How are they going to get any weeklys in? not saying
>any thing about consy or transfers. Are they going to
>do like some school systems and run year round?
>Narley,Dude.

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[> Re: KAWABUNGA -- Racerx, 17:13:26 02/26/07 Mon (host-209-215-21-209.owb.bellsouth.net/209.215.21.209)

Like, do they have a counterweight to keep the scales from tiping during weighin?

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" Race4life 2007 -- Nate Deweerd, 16:28:39 02/26/07 Mon (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

Feb 26 2007. Kenny Brown announces today that he will be putting up bonus money for all POWRi regulars attending the Race4life 2007 venue. Sundays main event will be the bonus pay day for one of the POWRi outlaw series regulars as they battle for an additional $500. Kenny will reserve the cash for the POWRi driver whom accumulates the highest points possible during Sunday's main event only. He is confident the winner will be receiving a $10,500 check. We wish to thank the entire O'Reilly POWRi racing group for choosing to support the 2007 Race4life.

www.nonwingchallenge.com
Race4life Foundation 2007
Race4life is currently funded by;
Hoosier Race Tire, Keizer Racing wheels, Shively Racing Eng, Concept Chassis, Vision Chassis, K&N Filters, American compressed steel, Miller Welders, Awesome Racewear Products, Werts Designs, FlatOut Magizine, Microoutlaws.com, Midgetmadness.com, 600scene.com, Hoseheads.com, Maximumdirt.com, thedirttrackchannel.com, Big L motorsports, Jackson Chiropractic, Clifford cycles, Eagle Chasssis, JPM Precision Mach., Henderson Graphics, Hoollingsworth Performance, Jon Remmington, Orielly Poweri Racing, Paul Albers Perfomance Plus, Bailey Chassis, PMP Chassis, Hyper chassis, FTZ performance, Butlier built seats, Speedpartz, Sawyer Chassis,: more to come!

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" Swapmeet -- Dwayne, 09:53:57 02/26/07 Mon (static-66-14-202-160.bdsl.verizon.net/66.14.202.160)

>Micro Sprint
>Swapmeet
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>Saturday March 3rd, 2007
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>Miami County Fairgrounds in Peru, Indiana
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>9 AM to 3PM
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>Early Set-Up at 7 AM
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>$15.00 per 10 x 10 Booth Space
>(includes 2 person pass per reservation)
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>General Admission - $2.00 at the door
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>Additional information or to reserve your booth call:
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>Connie at 574-753-3238 or
>Julie at 765-513-5535
Vendors so far are Erwin Motorsports, Bad S Wings,Fastrax Chassis,Gamester Racing,C&D Racing Supply, OMO Wings,Robby Starkey, Joe Leek, Ken Hughes, Maximum Dirt.Com and the Indiana Micro Sprint Series.

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" restrictor class -- jim slade, 10:05:26 02/25/07 Sun (12-201-47-148.client.mchsi.com/12.201.47.148)

can you run 2002 wiring harness and ecu on 2005 motor in restrictor class on carbs

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[> Re: restrictor class -- Terry, 12:00:22 02/25/07 Sun (cpe172-91.wireless.dnv.cooketech.net/66.213.172.91)

Jim, I dont think you can based on the 07' rules as posted here on website. I have copied and pasted it for you, 2nd paragraph last line addresses it.

19. Engine Rules. (4 cycle multi-cylinder engines larger than 250cc but not exceeding 600cc with stock bore & stroke with charging unit.) Minimum car and driver weight 750 lbs.

No porting or heads or cam degreeing. Valve jobs will be allowed as long as they are within mfg. tolerance allowance. Any air cleaner will be allowed. Any exhaust will be allowed. Crank case ventilation to atmospheric pressure only is allowed. No fuel injected motors even if the motor comes stock from the factory with injection.

Carburetors & Fuel

Carburetors must be OEM Production Motorcycle, CV style. No Flatslides or Lectron style carburetors allowed! Carburetors only with an NMMA stamped restrictor under each car boot. Carburetors may have metering rods, jets and springs changed to tune fuel curve to match the car requirements. There will be no cones in the carburetor or the carburetor boots. TPS sensors not required. Only NMMA approved fuels may be used. Unaltered stock OEM CDI black box only. Aftermarket timing advancers are not allowed. Redrilled, slotted or altered cam gears and/or bolts are illegal. Original flywheel must remain in the motor. All original transmission gears must remain intact and functional.

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[> [> Re: restrictor class -- W. Pat McGrath, 13:30:09 02/25/07 Sun (r163h12.dixie-net.com/64.89.163.12)

Check No. 22 from the St Louis meeting

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[> #22 -- D.M.M. (glad to help), 15:42:12 02/25/07 Sun (12-207-21-154.client.mchsi.com/12.207.21.154)

Here is #22

22. The R Class engine rules have been changed to allow fuel injected engines 2005 or older on OEM carbs.

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[> Pat, Can't you just give Jim a simple "Yes or No " answer? -- Rick Odum, 16:26:51 02/25/07 Sun (pool-70-106-239-99.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net/70.106.239.99)

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[> Re: restrictor class -- Jim Miller, 05:18:59 02/26/07 Mon (static-209-107-225-234.consolidated.net/209.107.225.234)

Yes Jim, you can run 2002 OEM carburetors and wiring harness on a 2005 injected motor in the Restrictor class. Hope this helps.

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2007 NMMA Application -- Webmasters Office, 06:03:05 02/25/07 Sun (12-207-21-154.client.mchsi.com/12.207.21.154)

Left side of front web page with the word New by it, not in the center. Click on it and down load NMMA application and also where the 2 is just beside the NMMA application, this is the minor release form. All minors must have this part of the form filled out with the NMMA application form.
If you want to join the Coles Co. Club its there too and the Region 2 application. But You don't have to join them if you are not in a area where their are no local clubs.

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" Survival -- Billy, 19:05:35 02/18/07 Sun (pool-71-124-57-190.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net/71.124.57.190)

Wow, I have been out of the loop, and understand there is only one NMMA track? I thought things were bad a few years ago when there were 7 or 8, but now that would be a blessing!!!

Someone down below said that there shouldn't be an open forum for disucssion, and allow non members to participate. My question is WHY????

The people that are NOT with the NMMA right now hold the answers! Look at some of the best 600cc tracks in the country right now, and most of them 5 to 7 years ago were NMMA! What happened for them not to stay with a national organization? What happened to the 1500 drivers that were members back in 1999 and 2000? Where did they all go? Where did the car counts go? They went to OUTLAW tracks, there has to be a reason, and for people to sit here blindly and think that they can fix their own problems, that's just flat out morbid. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting the same results. That is exactly what is going on here it seems like. There are way to many smart people on this planet, especially in the racing world, so why can't this be fixed?

My solution? The NMMA board needs to suck it up and head to the big races around the country. The $10,000 to win shows, the Tulsa Shootout, the Outlaw Nationals, all those races, or as many as you can, and early in the day, have an open meeting in the grandstands, take notes, find out what in the world the reasons are that people aren't going with the NMMA right now. Is it the fact that the board is stuck in the past and won't change? Is it the fact that they don't like paying the membership fee? Who knows, all I know is when I first started racing these cars, almost every track had a standard set of rules like the NMMA has. There has to be a way to fix this, and there has to be a way to get car owners, and tracks to come back to the NMMA. This isn't a bash on the NMMA, this is suggestions about what needs to change in order for the NMMA to survive.

I can think of plenty ideas for the NMMA to change ways, and succeed, its just a matter of anybody listening to them.

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[> Re: Survival -- Joe Smiley EVP, 15:55:40 02/19/07 Mon (host-65-7-65-177.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.65.177)

Billy you said you where out of the loop and if you have not gone to our web page and looked at the major changes
we made in St.Louis in Jan.you don't know how hard we are trying to solve the problem.
Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

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[> [> Re: Survival -- Billy, 17:54:52 02/19/07 Mon (pool-71-124-57-190.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net/71.124.57.190)

You're right I am out of the loop, and from looking at the rule changes, the organization is definately going in the right direction, but that still isn't solving the problem. Yes, it's a start, but I haven't seen any board memebers, or anything like that actually ask the drivers and owners what would make them come back to the NMMA. Why not ask then (away from this board) what it would take to come back to the NMMA? Maybe then there is a few things there that nobody thought about.

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[> [> [> Re: Survival -- Danny, 18:43:51 02/19/07 Mon (NoHost/68.107.167.178)

Billy,
I asked for a month before the shootout for one of the officers to go to the shootout and hold some sort of meeting to try to get some feed back and more intrest. The only officer that showed up was Dean Hathman. He did this on his own and had no support from the NMMA. We had a very brief but informative conversation. Dean was trying to do what he could to save the NMMA. It seemed like he was the only person interested in doing this. All the other officers say that they want to save the NMMA but nobody saw any of them at the shootout. Dean has my respect for spending his own money and time to make the trip, and for listening to what the people wanted and making a effort.
There was alot of post and replies on this subject but that mysterious glitch erased all of them, probally like it will this post.

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[> [> Re: Survival -- Wade Huisman, 10:06:57 02/20/07 Tue (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

Joe, I think you have totally missed the point intentionally or not. Please take his suggestions at heart. It's a very important one. What he is trying to tell you is to get involved with 600racing which at this time you are not. Yes you have made some critical & well thought out changes. Congratulations! That is only one step in a thousand ahead of you. But waiting for tracks & sponsors to magically come back isn't going to happen. You need to be at all venues regardless of affiliation. Not just a private meeting out back behind drillers stadium but a visual effort for all to see. You need to advertise in every way you could possibly think of. Here is a question for you to answer. Would you like to be apart of the major 600cc racing functions of 2007? If so, How do you plan on doing this? Sponsorship? Support? Advertise for them? Support the efforts? Would you like to come out and talk to the racers, hold a meetings, have a booth? Simply be involved? Be Visual? Join the racing? This website should be the meca of all Microsprint racing. More information on clubs, tracks, races & venues then anywhere else regardless of affiliation at this time. Instead what do we get?, Evidence of a one track operation & a desperate VP. Needs to be more my friend.
Again I think your changes are great but keep going. You can not stop for one second.

Wade Huisman
600 racer

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[> [> [> Re: Survival -- Joe Smiley EVP, 16:35:18 02/20/07 Tue (host-65-7-69-174.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.69.174)

>No Wade I did not miss the point,but since my wreck I have
had to come out of retirement and go back to work.I am working in a TN State Park and work five to seven days a week.I cannot travel much anymore.To make the Eastern's
and Nationals last year I took all the time I had and still lost three days.When I was retired I did Travel.Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

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[> Are you applying for the job??? -- Lanny Harvey, 12:01:46 02/20/07 Tue (NoHost/204.120.195.43)

If you will read the posts and the rules we instituted, you will see that we are looking for a promoter for the NMMA. One that will lead us into the promised land. I want to know if any of you guys are applying for the job. In other words - SHOW ME!! And I ain't even from Missouri. If you are applying send your resume to Pat. I am not trying to be smart, just stating the facts.

>Wow, I have been out of the loop, and understand there
>is only one NMMA track? I thought things were bad a
>few years ago when there were 7 or 8, but now that
>would be a blessing!!!
>
>Someone down below said that there shouldn't be an
>open forum for disucssion, and allow non members to
>participate. My question is WHY????
>
>The people that are NOT with the NMMA right now hold
>the answers! Look at some of the best 600cc tracks in
>the country right now, and most of them 5 to 7 years
>ago were NMMA! What happened for them not to stay with
>a national organization? What happened to the 1500
>drivers that were members back in 1999 and 2000? Where
>did they all go? Where did the car counts go? They
>went to OUTLAW tracks, there has to be a reason, and
>for people to sit here blindly and think that they can
>fix their own problems, that's just flat out morbid.
>Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again
>while expecting the same results. That is exactly what
>is going on here it seems like. There are way to many
>smart people on this planet, especially in the racing
>world, so why can't this be fixed?
>
>My solution? The NMMA board needs to suck it up and
>head to the big races around the country. The $10,000
>to win shows, the Tulsa Shootout, the Outlaw
>Nationals, all those races, or as many as you can, and
>early in the day, have an open meeting in the
>grandstands, take notes, find out what in the world
>the reasons are that people aren't going with the NMMA
>right now. Is it the fact that the board is stuck in
>the past and won't change? Is it the fact that they
>don't like paying the membership fee? Who knows, all I
>know is when I first started racing these cars, almost
>every track had a standard set of rules like the NMMA
>has. There has to be a way to fix this, and there has
>to be a way to get car owners, and tracks to come back
>to the NMMA. This isn't a bash on the NMMA, this is
>suggestions about what needs to change in order for
>the NMMA to survive.
>
>I can think of plenty ideas for the NMMA to change
>ways, and succeed, its just a matter of anybody
>listening to them.

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[> [> Re: Are you applying for the job??? -- Wade Huisman, 17:17:08 02/20/07 Tue (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

What is the pay? Bennifits? Perks? Hotels? kickbacks? 401K?

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[> [> [> Re: Are you applying for the job??? -- Wade Huisman, 17:49:32 02/20/07 Tue (74-33-159-89.br2.fod.ia.frontiernet.net/74.33.159.89)

As leaders you should be perfectly capable of doing these simple promotional tasks. Being involved doesn't seam out of the ordinary or over the top for anyone else that enjoys and spends time & money on this sport. To hire someone for a task that should be easily handled internally seams to be yet again wasteful. Possibly one major problem has been overlooked?

Wade Husiman
600 racer

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[> [> [> [> Re: Are you applying for the job??? -- Lanny Harvey, 18:36:27 02/21/07 Wed (NoHost/204.120.195.43)

Wade - by your own admission, apparently we haven't been doing a great job promoting the NMMA so I guess you need to put your resume in to Pat. When you talk to him you can ask what it pays and all.

>As leaders you should be perfectly capable of doing
>these simple promotional tasks. Being involved
>doesn't seam out of the ordinary or over the top for
>anyone else that enjoys and spends time & money on
>this sport. To hire someone for a task that should be
>easily handled internally seams to be yet again
>wasteful. Possibly one major problem has been
>overlooked?
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>Wade Husiman
>600 racer

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Region Officers -- Webmasters Office, 11:35:22 02/19/07 Mon (12-207-151-53.client.mchsi.com/12.207.151.53)

We want to thank Loretta for sending the Region Officers so they could and are updated now.
Thanks Loretta.

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" 600 Restricted class -- Wayne Lesher, 16:43:22 02/13/07 Tue (NoHost/67.134.156.101)

in pennsylvania we have started a restricted class similar to the nmma class but we have restricted fuel injected motors (single injection) we are using a 3/4" hole in the plate similar to the nmma plate. we are getting approx 60 hp out of the motors 636 & 600 they are both the same my question is what are the carb motors (restricted) getting for hp and are there any modifications needed to the carbs for the motors to run properly? we have some teams interested in running the carb motors restricted Thank You .....Wayne Lesher

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[> Re: 600 Restricted class -- ADAM, 05:59:08 02/16/07 Fri (mail.mid-states.com/216.135.30.198)

I TIHNK BUTCH FRANTZ CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT THE RESTRICTORS INTHE MIDWEST, HIS NUMBER IS 217-578-3865

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[> Re: 600 Restricted class -- butch, 04:56:26 02/17/07 Sat (12-215-90-27.client.mchsi.com/12.215.90.27)

>in pennsylvania we have started a restricted class
>similar to the nmma class but we have restricted fuel
>injected motors (single injection) we are using a 3/4"
>hole in the plate similar to the nmma plate. we are
>getting approx 60 hp out of the motors 636 & 600 they
>are both the same my question is what are the carb
>motors (restricted) getting for hp and are there any
>modifications needed to the carbs for the motors to
>run properly? we have some teams interested in running
>the carb motors restricted Thank You .....Wayne
>Lesher

60 to 62 hp is a strong restrictor motor on carbs. Yes you need to modify the carbs to work with restrictor plates.

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[> Re: 600 Restricted class -- Wayne Lesher, 17:13:51 02/18/07 Sun (NoHost/67.134.156.101)

thanks for the info

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" 2007 tracks -- nonwing94, 09:46:09 02/16/07 Fri (ppp-70-250-201-73.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net/70.250.201.73)

Is there any nmma tracks in 2007

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[> Re: 2007 tracks -- Joe Smiley EVP, 15:54:59 02/16/07 Fri (host-65-7-69-120.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.69.120)

>Yes at this time there is one Coles Co. Speedway
Coles Co.IL There is some interest being shown since
the meeting in St.Louis only time will tell.
Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

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wanting to go mini sprint racing... -- shawn, 19:28:36 02/15/07 Thu (pool-71-114-202-68.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net/71.114.202.68)

hello guys name is shawn sallee i am wanting to go mini sprint racing. i would be racing at coles county raceway most of the time..i have never been aroun these type of cars i have been around ump mod's the most and sportsman cars which i have raced... but as far as the mini sprints go i am a new bee.. i just have some basic questions.. where is the best place to buy and or look for cars??? where is a good place to buy parts and tires for them??? does anyone around here do motor work???ect..ect.. thanks guys and look forward to racing with ya soon

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[> Re: wanting to go mini sprint racing... -- adam, 05:56:30 02/16/07 Fri (mail.mid-states.com/216.135.30.198)

CARS? PAUL ESWORHTY HAS A FACTOR 1 RELLY CHEAP.217-493-2580
PARTS?WHAT KIND OF PARTS ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? 812-459-1893
TIRES? PAUL IS ALSO A HOOSIER DEALER, 217-493-2580
ENGINE BUILDERS? BUTCH FRANCE DOES ENGINE WORK AND ALSO TERRY DINES IS GOOD BUT I AM NOT SURE HE BUILDS ALOT ANYMORE. PAUL ESWORTHY CAN GET YOU THERE NUMBERS.

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[> Re: wanting to go mini sprint racing... -- Brent, 10:15:39 02/16/07 Fri (client-66-116-1-113.consolidated.net/66.116.1.113)

You can go to maximumdirt.com and it will have link's to all the chassis manufacturers, some parts retailers and track websites. The NMMA website has a lot of useful links that can pretty much help you find whatever your looking for.

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Region Officers -- Webmasters Office, 10:15:33 02/16/07 Fri (12-207-151-53.client.mchsi.com/12.207.151.53)

All Region Officers will be updated as soon as Loretta has a chance to send them. We thank each and every one of you for sending them individually but after speaking with our President of this org. it was felt that it would be simpler and easier to do them all at once.
Thanks again,
Good Luck with your racing this season.

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" coles county money race -- Paul, 17:36:21 02/12/07 Mon (74-135-147-156.dhcp.insightbb.com/74.135.147.156)

Money race at coles county on may 26th keep checking for more info or go to ccmmra.com

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" Rules -- Danny, 19:23:55 02/09/07 Fri (NoHost/70.185.153.228)

It looks like a step in the right direction. The main problem I see is that starting in 2008 the M class is limited to 600cc with no over bore. I personally have 3 motors that I run all 619 cc. I won't buy any motors just to run NMMA. I don't think that any tracks will change their rules and make their drivers buy new motors.
It looks to me that this is a step in the wrong direction. On the East coast they run a 640cc rule. Not sure about the West coast. If the NMMA wants to gain tracks and cars they need to look at leaving this at 619 cc.

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[> Danny & Richard Smith -- Lanny Harvey, 14:15:31 02/10/07 Sat (NoHost/204.120.195.43)

You know you two are the only negative ones that I have either talked to or saw on this forum regarding the 600 max. rule. Everyone else I have talked to said that was one of the best rules that we passed. There is just no way to satisfy everyone and we did the best we could so guess we will just have to play it through. Go figure.

>It looks like a step in the right direction. The main
>problem I see is that starting in 2008 the M class is
>limited to 600cc with no over bore. I personally have
>3 motors that I run all 619 cc. I won't buy any motors
>just to run NMMA. I don't think that any tracks will
>change their rules and make their drivers buy new
>motors.
> It looks to me that this is a step in the wrong
>direction. On the East coast they run a 640cc rule.
>Not sure about the West coast. If the NMMA wants to
>gain tracks and cars they need to look at leaving this
>at 619 cc.

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[> [> Re: Danny & Richard Smith -- Danny, 18:58:50 02/11/07 Sun (NoHost/70.185.153.228)

Lanny maybe you need to read a little closer at what I wrote. I want you to call all the tracks on the East coast and in Oklahoma and ask them to tell all of their drivers to throw away their 619cc motors and buy new motors.
I bet that they will tell you that you are a idiot. Do you think that it will gain tracks and members by making this rule? Maybe there needs to be a poll taken to see. Most all of the changes were very well thought out. But it seems that on this one someone had their head up their butt. This class was developed and ran beginning in approx. 1990 under the same rules. Now all of a sudden over 15 years later the rules are changed. Every area of the United States runs 619's or larger.
The class was open to 619cc to allow for over bore so that the same Engine could be ran longer.

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[> [> Re: Negative? -- Richard Smith, 06:06:45 02/12/07 Mon (supreme2.wireless.maplenet.net/64.255.97.89)

Negative? I didn�t say that I did not like the 600cc rule I was just putting the FACTS out! I you can�t please everyone. However what sound like a good rule and may be a good rule is not always the best rule. I would point out the spec. left rear, The removal of nose wings and the elimination of the KT100 as just a few examples.

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[> Re: Rules -- JD, 19:54:50 02/11/07 Sun (NLV-Webproxy07.direcpc.com/67.142.130.17)

Danny, I have talked to many who also think this is going to be a good step. Have you looked at the cost of boring a motor and have it rechromed? It's right at $1500 just for that alone to gain anywhere from 3 to 8 hp is all. When you can do head work and things around that area and gain the same with less money spent. It will also even out the playing field overall. As for the 640cc rule I think you will see it drop since kawasaki doesn't build the 636 anymore. I have talked to people from the east cost, west coast, and even in oklahoma. The days of the old F3 and boring are almost gone. These include engine builders to common racers. The only thing i see wrong is that they might give it another year to let these 619 cc motors faze out. Just my opinion. And no I'm not 100% for the NMMA yet they still need to prove to me they are ready to work to there fullest extent but what they have done is an excellent start.

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[> [> Re: Rules -- Danny, 22:25:44 02/11/07 Sun (NoHost/70.185.153.228)

JD, I supply motors to people on the East coast and know for a fact that they are boring the R6's 2mm. How do you mean the 619's faze out. Once you build them they are good for many years as long as you ring them and watch the valve clearance. I am still have my original 619. It was built in 2003. I also have 2 other motors that are 619's and have never blown one up. You don't have to bore and rechrome the motorto get 619cc. Do you expect me to throw away 3 engines to run with the NMMA. So if I do now I have get 3 more motors @ $1500 each. Have the oiling system worked, and all the modifications made so they will live. Now we have spent $4500 just for engines plus probally another $2500 to do the mods. That is with no port work.
I just can't see it being worth doing. If I wanted to do that I would take off the adjusters and run A' class.
As I stated I can't see the NMMA gaining any East coast, or Oklahoma tracks for this reason. Prove me wrong and call the tracks as I stated and ask them to do away with the 619's and see what response you get.

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[> [> [> Re: Rules -- JD, 08:34:36 02/12/07 Mon (dpc67142130047.direcpc.com/67.142.130.47)

Danny, I don't doubt anything you are saying about this but my question to you is why are all the best noteable engine builders and a yamaha tech/mechanic in this area telling everyone,and charging everyone, that the cylinder wall has to be rechromed (thats not the correct word for it)? At $1500 of cost per motor to have this all done someone is either lieing and cheating the racers out of money or someone else is wrong I'm not sure. Just a question on the table. Anyone else out there heard this? My thoughts are opinions of mine and of some others I have talked to east, west and central area's of the US and the common thing between all is stay stock bore. I run bone stock bore and stroke and I know of others that do to and are just as fast as the built motors. Like I said my opinion, but would like to know if we are getting cheated with this relining thing.

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[> [> [> [> Renikasil is the word -- JD, 08:48:44 02/12/07 Mon (dpc67142130047.direcpc.com/67.142.130.47)

All modern engines are nikasil lined and have to be renikasil after boring. ?? All I can say is this is what i've been told and reading. I'm just a dumb racer.

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[> [> [> Only a matter of time! -- Bill Meredith, 10:59:26 02/12/07 Mon (kcpgw-vip1.kcp.com/198.62.69.76)

I understand your concern about your engines, but I believe the majority of racers are running stock bore and stroke. I know for a FACT that here at Sweet Springs the vast majority of Multi cars are 600cc. Our goal as the micro racing community should be to keep the MAJORITY of the racers happy and thus racing with us. If the lower budget racer feels uncompetitive - he will QUIT and I don't foresee a huge influx of new blood willing to spend $6000 to $8000 on a bored/stroked 619cc or 636cc Yamaha right off the bat!

As far as the status of the 'unlimited' class - look around - it is shrinking in Oklahoma and elsewhere. The Pennsylvania tracks will be running a 'stock' 600cc class for the first time this year - why is that? -- COST of the engines and remember Pennsylvania has NEVER had a true OPEN class!!!

Once again, the rules allowed engine builders to escalate the cost rapidly and we are now on the verge of killing another class!

The 636cc formula should be killed off ASAP (let them have a year) and the 619cc engine needs to go away also - maybe not 2008, but I would at least PENALIZE them in 2008 (with added weight) to help faze them out.

If we do not put some limitations to reduce cost of this class - the racers will do it for us. I give it one to two more years before the 'unlimited' class will be near extinct and the 'stock' class (with tire and wing rules) will be the BIG class. The cost of 619cc to 636cc engines will make it so! Is losing the Multi Class a big deal - I don't think so - the A-Class and Multi Class needs to be combined anyway.

The Math is pretty simple:

BIG engines + BIG soft tires + BIG wings = BIG money and inevitable demise of the 'unlimited' class. Been there - done that!

I predict that tire, wing rules and maybe even more restrictive engine rules will be implemented at the $10,000 to win races over the next few years to keep car counts from dropping.

Enjoy your 619cc and 636cc engines while you can - I sure wouldn't drop a ton of money into any more of them!

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2006 Champions (except JR.Sprints) -- Webmasters Office (wonder if anyone will see this), 14:43:08 02/08/07 Thu (12-207-151-53.client.mchsi.com/12.207.151.53)

WILL YOU PLEASE SEND OR E-MAIL THE INFORMATION WE NEED.A PICTURE AND 2 OR 3 PARAGRAPHS ON YOURSELF. THE ONLY ONE TO SEND THIS IN IS OUR JR. SPRINT CHAMPION.

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[> Re: 2006 Champions (except JR.Sprints) -- Webmasters Office, 17:02:10 02/11/07 Sun (12-207-151-53.client.mchsi.com/12.207.151.53)

>Multi Class has sent info. to Bigd, 3 more to go.

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2006 Multi Class Champion -- Webmasters Office (happy), 16:59:44 02/11/07 Sun (12-207-151-53.client.mchsi.com/12.207.151.53)

Our 2006 Multi Class Champion has sent Bigd the information for the Champions section Web Page.
Thanks Paul and Amanda. Its really a great pic of Paul and the small write up on him says it all.
Thanks for responding.

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" Micro Sprint Swapmeet -- Dwayne, 11:09:37 02/10/07 Sat (static-66-14-202-160.bdsl.verizon.net/66.14.202.160)

Micro Sprint
Swapmeet

Saturday March 3rd, 2007

Miami County Fairgrounds in Peru, Indiana

9 AM to 3PM

Early Set-Up at 7 AM

$15.00 per 10 x 10 Booth Space
(includes 2 person pass per reservation)

General Admission - $2.00 at the door

Additional information or to reserve your booth call:

Connie at 574-753-3238 or
Julie at 765-513-5535

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" NMMA tracks -- Alan Knell, 13:14:08 02/08/07 Thu (mntl-sknell.micro.uiuc.edu/128.174.190.47)

How many tracks are there in NMMA for 2007 and what tracks are in for 2007?

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[> Re: NMMA tracks -- Lanny Harvey, 09:48:57 02/09/07 Fri (NoHost/204.120.195.43)

Alan, we are not trying to ignore you, it is just that we need to give the tracks time to digest our changes. I know of at lease one track that is going to come back so far but others are talking. Hope this helps.

>How many tracks are there in NMMA for 2007 and what
>tracks are in for 2007?

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[> Re: NMMA tracks -- Richard Smith, 03:58:35 02/10/07 Sat (supreme2.wireless.maplenet.net/64.255.97.89)

It don�t look like the any thing has changed with the 4 tracks in Indiana they have their schedules are set, I have not contacted Ohio or Michigan tracks as yet but I seriously doubt the NMMA has a chance with them. As for 2008 season the 600 motor rule will be the one of the deal breakers. Most of the changes that were made were brought to the attention of the board in August. That is when the changes should have been made not after a mass exodus of tracks!

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" 270 singles -- billy, 09:51:30 02/07/07 Wed (adsl-068-222-252-181.sip.owb.bellsouth.net/68.222.252.181)

does any one know if coles county will be running the singles on a weekly deal

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[> Re: 270 singles -- Brad Emery, 08:15:12 02/08/07 Thu (216-207-219-132.dia.static.qwest.net/216.207.219.132)

>does any one know if coles county will be running the
>singles on a weekly deal
I,ll be there. How about the rest of you guys

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[> Re: 270 singles -- billy, 13:09:28 02/08/07 Thu (adsl-068-222-252-181.sip.owb.bellsouth.net/68.222.252.181)

>does any one know if coles county will be running the
>singles on a weekly de

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[> Re: 270 singles -- billy, 13:10:32 02/08/07 Thu (adsl-068-222-252-181.sip.owb.bellsouth.net/68.222.252.181)

>does any one know if coles county will be running the
>singles on a weekly deal
so how many cars do you guys think will be there on a weekly deal

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" St Louis Directors Meeting -- W. Pat McGrath, 17:27:45 02/05/07 Mon (r162h184.dixie-net.com/64.89.162.184)

The changes that were voted in at the January 27 2007 meeting are now posted on the web site. I would like to thank the people that took the time to come to the meeting and voiced their opinions to the directors.

I would like to thank the Board of Directors for the long day that was put in, but we did get alot accomplished.

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[> Re: St Louis Directors Meeting -- Jake, 20:42:12 02/07/07 Wed (12-214-97-67.client.mchsi.com/12.214.97.67)

Must say they look good, but is it too little too late. Congrats on a job well done though.

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" 2 Tire Questions? -- Richard Smith, 02:36:03 02/07/07 Wed (supreme2.wireless.maplenet.net/64.255.97.89)

How much will the price of tires increase with the NMMA deal? The money has to come from some where. Why even have a spec. tire if you can change the way it bites after it comes from the factory? Kinda a silly I wouldn't you say?

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[> Re: 2 Tire Questions? -- Richard Kreisel, 09:57:51 02/07/07 Wed (mo-69-68-210-36.sta.embarqhsd.net/69.68.210.36)

The question about the price of tires is a good one. Dean Hathman asked the Hoosier representative the same question at the meeting. The simple answer is $0.

The Hoosier representative handed out the 2007 tire pricing from Hoosier Tire Midwest along with their proposal. The price of Hoosier tires from Hoosier Tire Midwest have not changed because of and will not change because of the contract offered to the NMMA. The prices for tires from Hoosier Tire Midwest were decided and published in their catalog months ago, whether or not the NMMA, or any other sanctioning body, accepted an offer of financial contribution from Hoosier.

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[> Re: 2 Tire Questions? -- Joe Smiley EVP, 17:36:39 02/07/07 Wed (host-65-7-65-211.bna.bellsouth.net/65.7.65.211)

Richard since I am the one that ask for this change I will
answer your question about siping.We already let the drivers regrove to factory designe.I have been told for several years that other tracks and racing Org's allow
you to sipe your tires.In our attempt to come closer in line with the outlaw tracks we voted to allow this.We knew
when we changed as many rules as we did that someone would
not like it.If you could have been at the meeting you
would have liked it.
Thanks Joe Smiley EVP

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" $$$ $35,000.00 $$$ A-Main Purse Guaranteed!!!!! -- Jason Newman, 15:20:45 02/07/07 Wed (68-113-159-48.dhcp.nplt.ne.charter.com/68.113.159.48)

Don't miss out on one of the biggest races of the summer. Pre entry now available to reserve your number for the $35,000 cash up for grabs! Great Restrictor purse as well!

www.nonwingchallenge.com

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" FYI -- Lanny Harvey, 17:34:40 02/06/07 Tue (NoHost/204.120.195.43)

So everyone knows, the new information from the board meeting IS NOT under 2007 rules. It is on the front page right under the 50 yr emblem. I had a couple calls from people misunderstanding. Hope everyone understands how much time and effort we put into this. We ARE trying.

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" New Rules -- Blane, 20:39:14 02/05/07 Mon (74-129-229-191.dhcp.insightbb.com/74.129.229.191)

I just read over someof the new rules. So far it looks as if the NMMA is making a stab at coming back. So far so good.

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Pictures of Champions for Web Page -- Webmaster, 15:06:34 02/05/07 Mon (12-207-154-138.client.mchsi.com/12.207.154.138)

We are trying to update the web page and need pictures of the Champions. We asked at the end of the racing season and the only one that responded was the Jr. Sprint Class.
So, one more time. Please send a picture and a short 2 or 3 paragraph to the NMMA Web Master so we can put it on.
Everyone else,please understand"I can't put on what I don't have".

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Coming Soon -- Webmasters Office, 10:21:42 02/05/07 Mon (12-207-154-138.client.mchsi.com/12.207.154.138)

Coming Soon
New Revised Rules from Spring Meeting in St. Louis!

Pat McGrath will notify everyone when they are on line, so come back and check in the next day or so.

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OOPS....Looking for Jason Adams Phone number -- D Marks, 15:36:31 02/03/07 Sat (12-207-154-138.client.mchsi.com/12.207.154.138)

Hope this is the webmaster of micro outlaws who does their message board. Someone plaease give me is phone number.
Thanks ahead of time.

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[> Re: OOPS....Looking for Jason Adams Phone number -- Total Concept Racing Engines- George Shear, 19:35:40 02/03/07 Sat (NoHost/68.228.171.249)

>Hope this is the webmaster of micro outlaws who does
>their message board. Someone plaease give me is phone
>number.
>Thanks ahead of time.

Here is his email address and he will get back to you"

1mmover@microoutlaws.com

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" Meeting Notes -- JD, 12:11:17 02/03/07 Sat (dpc67142130029.direcpc.com/67.142.130.29)

Just wondering what happened with the meeting notes from yesterday. Did another bug get in the system? Thanks

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[> JD__No glitch, something alittle off. -- Web Master's Office, 12:26:43 02/03/07 Sat (12-201-18-78.client.mchsi.com/12.201.18.78)

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" Bear with us -- Lanny Harvey, 09:20:24 02/03/07 Sat (NoHost/204.120.195.43)

Everyone bear with us. We are still refining a few of the items voted on at the spring meeting. We will get in on in it's entirety as soon as we can.

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" What happened in St. Louis? -- Brent, 12:15:20 01/30/07 Tue (client-216-176-81-143.consolidated.net/216.176.81.143)

Does anyone know how thing's went in St. Louis? What was voted on and what decisions were made? I had to work or I would have been there. Any info would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

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[> What happened in St. Louis? -- Richard Kreisel, 13:21:53 01/30/07 Tue (mo-69-68-210-36.sta.embarqhsd.net/69.68.210.36)

The NMMA meeting in St. Louis was VERY Productive. MANY changes were made. I have compiled my notes and sent them to Loretta to go over to see if I missed anything. As soon as I get her response, I'll post a summary here.

Richard Kreisel
Region 11 Chairman

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[> [> Re: What happened in St. Louis? -- Richard Smith, 05:09:38 01/31/07 Wed (supreme2.wireless.maplenet.net/64.255.97.89)

But will the changes make a difference with the promoters? and convince them to join

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[> Re: What happened in St. Louis? -- Lanny Harvey, 11:19:34 02/01/07 Thu (NoHost/204.120.195.43)

If you will all just be patient, we will get all the changes on the board. Like Richard K. said, we have a lot to get updated and we think everyone will appreciate what we did. It was a long day and we don't want to post anything untile we make sure that we have it right.

>Does anyone know how thing's went in St. Louis? What
>was voted on and what decisions were made? I had to
>work or I would have been there. Any info would be
>greatly appreciated, thanks.

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[> [> Re: Question for Lanny -- Dwayne, 05:00:24 02/02/07 Fri (static-66-14-202-160.bdsl.verizon.net/66.14.202.160)

Do you feel what you did in St Louis,will bring Airport Speedway back to the NMMA?

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[> Re: What happened in St. Louis? -- Brent, 12:45:29 02/01/07 Thu (client-216-176-81-143.consolidated.net/216.176.81.143)

I wasn't trying to sound like I was in a hurry, just curious. Take your time.

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[> Answer for Dwayne -- Lanny, 11:41:44 02/02/07 Fri (NoHost/204.120.195.43)

Dwayne, since I am not an officer, I can't guarantee anything. I do think that Garden City and every other track should look at what we did and keep an open mind. We really did a lot and will probably do more but we definitely have made a good start. I hope we do rejoin the NMMA and a lot of other tracks too.

Does anyone know how thing's went in St. Louis? What
>was voted on and what decisions were made? I had to
>work or I would have been there. Any info would be
>greatly appreciated, thanks.

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Jason Ref -- D Marks, 14:48:52 01/30/07 Tue (12-207-154-138.client.mchsi.com/12.207.154.138)

We are looking for Jason's Phone number, can anyone help.
Would like to call him during the evening hours if possible, just have a few questions!

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[> Re: Jason Ref -- Cathy, 05:40:38 01/31/07 Wed (out.lakeland.cc.il.us/216.124.141.231)

>We are looking for Jason's Phone number, can anyone
>help.
>Would like to call him during the evening hours if
>possible, just have a few questions!

The # I have on the back of Spencer's picture from the Tulsa Shootout is 402-805-4440. I hope this helps.
Cathy

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[> [> Cathy, thanks -- D Marks, 12:32:02 01/31/07 Wed (12-207-154-138.client.mchsi.com/12.207.154.138)

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