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Date Posted: 23:30:25 03/10/10 Wed
Author: Lee
Subject: From the trouble on NCIS between Don and Mark Harmon, I think that we can assume that something similar happened between David and Don. Inside...
In reply to: Ciara 's message, "I too agree with all the above and that DJE just hasn't been successful since JAG. Does anyone else think that he demanded a little too much from that (JAG) and didn't get it, lost it and hasn't found anything else?????" on 22:20:22 03/10/10 Wed

Don is known for his last minute script changes and fourteen to sixteen hour days, and I'm guessing that David got tired of that and that he and Don had a falling out over it. We know that when it came time to renew David's contract for Season 11, David wasn't even offered one. Apparently, Don refused to even negotiate with him.

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[> [> [> Yeah, all the reports I heard said that DJE's agent requested a meeting to open up season 11 contract negotiations, and he was ignored. TPTB seem to prefer people to find out about things indirectly. That's how DJE's wife found out that her character was being killed off (and, by extension that she was out of a job). They found out when they read the script. -- JAG Junkie (Ronda), 08:01:24 03/11/10 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> It was also my understanding that DB was very angry that DJE was so important to the show especially following Season 8 negotiations (if I recall correctly CBS president threatened no DJE no JAG and trouble for NCIS, too). I understand that DB felt that his authority was more important than anything or anyone. -- Dani R (hoping David finds a great vehicle for his talent soon.), 12:37:45 03/11/10 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> This all goes to prove how fickle fame and fortune are and, certainly, that to make it in Hollyweird and to SUSTAIN a decent career path, one needs more than just incredible raw talent. Really, there are many more actors who are not 'Oliviers', but who seem to keep getting cast in A-list stuff, while other really decent, wonderful actors do a great role or two and then are, indeed, ignored. I STILL stand by my original statement that DJE is a fine actor. inside -- mj, 09:42:10 03/11/10 Thu [1]

He, though, unlike Mark Harmon, probably didn't have a local network of insiders and highly savvy, shrewd, experienced advisors to take on a powerful creative force like DB. Remember, Mark Harmon's wife was in a hit TV series and MH had more of an acting family background.
And, yeah, DJE probably was more demanding after achieving a bit of stardom and experience, himself and, perhaps, was being offered alternative roles at the time, thus increasing his bargaining power. There's nothing wrong with him trying to get a fair piece of the pie from all his hard work and after years of struggling. Perhaps he did get a wee bit cocky, but that's all part of the way things work in that business, I think. These lead actors are so catered, pampered, and kow-towed to that it would take a saint not to succumb to a bit of a feeling of indestructability. DJE, IMO, actually seemed to keep his feet on the ground and his priorities relatively straight. There could have been clashes of egos and such, but no one deserved to be ignored. DJE carried that show, despite DB giving him his big break. I also have to say that, imo, Catherine Bell did make DJE look better and the chemistry of the actors and the way their characters related to one another DID really enhance the show's pull and I think increased it's longevity. But, DJE ALSO, imo, made Catherine Bell look good/better, TOO!. I've yet to see her with a leading man that she's had similar chemistry with. So, they had a wonderful synergy going on and that should be embraced -- not pit one actor's talent against the other's. Overall, though, to me, DJE WAS JAG. Fot DB and his people to ignore that, well, that was really low. DB may be powerful, but he's not indispensible, either -- no one is!! It sounds like a sad situation and I do think DJE did end up getting the short end. I STILL find him extremely watchable and as talented as someone like MH and a host of others who are regularly offered decent roles. I'm still hopeful he will get a great, if not a few great 'comeback' roles and once again, be in something that garners him the status and success he deserves.


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[> [> [> [> mj I agreed with your first posting and I agree with this one also. I think this is an extremely difficult business to be in, extremely inconsistent. More inside... -- SeaBeth, 10:20:14 03/11/10 Thu [1]

I have seen lots of actors who were on hit shows at one time that are now doing commercials, if anything, actors from the movies now doing TV. I saw an interview with Bruce Greenwood who was in the Star Trek movie. The interviewer asked him if, having done a big blockbuster movie, he now looked for work in smaller, more independent movies. His response was, "I just look for work." I imagine a lot (if not most) actors feel that way.


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[> [> [> [> mj, I agree, and liked what you said about DB being powerful but not indispensible. He was certainly "dispensed with" at NCIS and since then they've stayed in the top 10. OTTH, as you said, DJE *WAS* what made "JAG" "JAG" - and therefore HE (both of them! heh heh!) really WERE "indispensible" to the show. DPB seemed to forget that the viewers don't see him and his power or whatever skills he has. They see the characters. -- The Chief, 00:49:54 03/12/10 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> you few put too much stock in dje. While dje was important as Harm he didn't carry the show. u continue to forget the fact is was cancelled after the first season with just dje. cb jmj and the others made the show a success as well and without them it would have failed. dje was also a pain in the a** along with dpb (there were many reports to this affect on how difficult he wa and he got a fat head). dje is getting tbe roles he is for a reason and it has to do with him burning bridges and his attitude. it's not all dpb's fault and cbs figurered tbis out as well. -- Sue, 11:16:59 03/12/10 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> You sound like you know some insidei info and I appreciate that and actually believe you. I certainly agree with you that the 'ensemble' of actors made the show work as well as it did and not JUST DJE, but he still was , IMHO, an absolutely essential part of the show....without him and the whole dynamic Harm and Mac, it would have been much less compelling to watch. Now, even if dje did bevave badly, become over-inflated, and become his own worst enemy, the good news is ...inside -- mj, 12:56:51 03/12/10 Fri [1]

that people change and/or reflect and learn. He STILL is a gorgeous man, has leading man looks and charisma, and is a decent actor. Someone, somewhere along the way will have a forgiving spirit and will take a chance on him again. I really hope that for him. I also hope that DPB isn't totally whipped either in the business.... he's creative and makes things happen. Not everyone in the world dwells on negativity and spilt milk. Many of us pick ourselves up, learn from our mistakes, and keep hammering away to make it in this crazy world. I STILL wish him well. He has a beautiful family and they all seem balanced and happy. He can't be that much of a pain in the ***! Who knows -- maybe through his desert of 'desperation', he comes out an even better actor than ever and has a career renaissance worth every knock he's ever received since his JAG days!! if you really don't like him, hate his acting, and don't wish him well, that's your prerogitive, but please don't diss those of us who want to see him thrive in something really good again!


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Nice post, mj. Well said. -- Lee, 17:01:20 03/12/10 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> WELL SAID!!!! I couldnt agree more, with every point. -- mkim, 11:37:30 03/13/10 Sat [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> beautiful response, mj -- PeggyC, 20:20:25 04/01/10 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> You're right Sue. I have to LOL at those who make DJE out to be godlike. He's a human being, not a god. He's good looking, but good looks are a dime a dozen in Hollywood. I don't wish him ill will and he is a good actor (not great, but good), but he's not the best actor in the world as some DJE fans make him out to be. -- Heather, 13:36:38 03/12/10 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> So funny Sue, but I have to LOL at those who come to a *DJE* board to belittle *DJE* fans for liking *DJE*...did I mention it was a *DJE* board. Now THAT is funny...or maybe just SAD! -- sj here's hoping you find something a wee bit more productive to do with your time. Maybe a *DJE is just ok* board would be a better fit for you. Do you see a lightbulb yet?, 14:36:52 03/12/10 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> So yeah, So funny Heather. Blame it on the T-Rex in my living room. -- sj, 14:38:39 03/12/10 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> ROTFLMAO!!!! Very good, sj. -- mkim, 11:41:58 03/13/10 Sat [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> I think we have different definitions of "carry the show". Yes, JAG was cancelled after season1, but that wasn't DJE's fault. It had more to do with the fact that the show just plain needed revamping. Yes, the new ensemble of characters was VERY important to the success of JAG, and when AJ left, it hurt the show. If Mac had left, it would have severely hurt the show, if it survived at all. But there is no doubt in my mind that if they took away the star and central character of the show, that would have killed it on the spot. CBS knew that. DPB knew that and it hurt his ego. Inside -- JJ (Ronda)--I'm sure DJE, like any human (who around here thinks he's a god?) has his faults, but that doesn't mean that we can't still love him!, 08:54:18 03/13/10 Sat [1]

The show was always about Harm and his story. Most of the storylines revolved around him in some way. He was the hero. Even if he didn't actually win his case, he was still instrumental in pursuing and finding out the truth.

The show usually showed things from his perspective. We saw HIS reactions to people, situations, jokes, etc., moreso than any other character's reactions. That is because the camera was "sympathetic" to him. We've discussed this before. This is most noticeable in the NCIS spinoff eps when suddenly the camera was NOT sympathetic to him. The difference is startling. He became a secondary character seen through the eyes of a stranger. We were used to seeing him through a favorable camera that highlighted the fact that he was the central hero.

The simple fact that remains: a show without its hero is no show, and that's the biggest reason why the latter half of season 10 just didn't work and the show got canceled. People didn't want to see those strangers. Even our beloved Mac interacting with these strangers wasn't enough. We wanted to see Harm. Preferable Harm and Mac. Plain and simple.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Also, I love Mac. And by extension, I like CB. However, there are things about her that annoy, er, bother, um, I can't find the right word. There are minor things about her that keep her from being one of my favorite actresses. I can't really put my finger on, it's just the way it is. I will watch her work if it appeals to me (loved the Good Witch movies!) but I do not watch her stuff just because she's in it because she's not all that to me. That being said, inside -- puzzled JJ (Ronda), 09:15:51 03/13/10 Sat [1]

I would NEVER go to a CB board and say any of that! What would be the purpose? To stir up trouble? I don't have time for that. So I truly don't understand why you are here saying what you're saying. Are you a DJE fan? If so, then why are you tearing him down? Are you NOT a DJE fan? If so, then why are you here in the first place? I just don't get it.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I think someone's just bored! Idle hands and all that. -- Theresa, 13:32:18 03/14/10 Sun [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Wish I had time to be bored! LOL I have a magnet on my wall at work that says "I don't have time to be this busy!" LOL -- JJ (Ronda)--everyone in the family wants me to do their taxes this year. That's cutting into my Internet time!, 14:31:52 03/14/10 Sun [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I think that might have been confusing above. What I meant to say was that I don't watch things with the sole reason being that she's in them. I only watch her stuff if it truly appeals to me. BUT, the same thing can be said about DJE. He's been in lots of stuff that I haven't seen and probably won't see because it doesn't appeal to me. DJE being in something probably holds more weight for me than CB being in something, because I guess I'm a bigger fan of DJE than I am of CB. But I am still a fan of CB, just not as much as I am a fan of DJE. And now I'm repeating myself. -- JJ (Ronda)--thinking I should stop now. lol, 14:28:06 03/14/10 Sun [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Im in the minority that cant stand CSI and any of the NCIS show/characters. CB is all that to me and she's among my favorite actresses. If only I have Hallmark channel and Lifetime so I can watch AW fulltime. I watch AW thanks to the DVD. -- lol, 19:25:28 03/13/10 Sat [1]


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[> [> [> [> well said mj and like you and most fans Jag is not the same without Harm and Mac.DJE and CB are a match made in tv heaven. At least we had some decent looking women for Harm in JAG even if the chemistry are so so.The chemistry of Harm and Mac with others are hard to topple and duplicate.Who hires the actors opposite CB in Jag? even in AW? yikes! But Im not complaining because I dont want Harm to be vanquished even if he is a Downey Jr,Deppster or Julian McMahon. -- Gretchen - I pledge my Harmy allegiance, 19:18:13 03/12/10 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> Thats so true, I almostt feel sorry for the guy who portrays CB's (Denise) husband on AW, It's almost 'anti-chemistry' because fans of H & M as a couple know how great her chemistry was with DJE. I think its true of him too. His female leads have been ok, but you just dont feel a connection, that unspoken thing that hits you in the heart. (sigh!) Maybe its just where they were as actors(especially season 4,5,6,7). I sometimes wonder if they(CB and DJE) could even duplicate it. -- mkim, 11:51:19 03/13/10 Sat [1]


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