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Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. Author: Eleonora [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 13:29:32 02/10/26 Tue In reply to: Caitlyn 's message, "Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc." on 20:04:50 02/09/26 Mon Hello! Not to worry! I’m starting to think that talking at a slower peace sometimes can produce insights in some ways of it’s own! But those years are not ”lost”, are they? Isn’t it an illusion, that ”good” equals ”free of conflict in any relation? It seems to me that the bond between you and your mom has always been strong, and remains so. No, I don’t think my mom got tired. It’s more like a double-edged sword: She noted my progress in some fields - like that I had unthinkingly disdained some traditionally ”Female” knowledge and when I got out of that, we could do more things together (and have fun doing it). On the other hand, I think she accepted over time that she would never miss a soccer match in order to show up without bruises on my legs to show up in a dress in ”right” society. To be fair, I think she also saw that the friends I did choose were good persons. For me, manipulation is when you through some tricks or coercion make people act against their own interest. To try to get out of a spanking (or make it lighter) is much less of a crime, isn’t it? (But you’re the law scholar!) If you want to, could you give an example of what kind of thing that could make your stepsister make that remark about making things more diffcult for yourself? I can’t remember mom saying anything that quite resembles that. All my best! Leona [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. PS Author: Eleonora [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:34:18 02/10/26 Tue That ”I would never miss a soccer match”, it should read! Sorry abt that!

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. PS Author: Zoe [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:33:09 02/10/26 Tue I was mostly just going to say hi to you and Catiy but I saw the soccer comment, and I had a funny thought--your mom could have put her energy into improving your ball control so you wouldn't get kicked instead of a spanking everytime you misbehaved. "Out in the garden Lenona, you're going to do two hours of stepovers in the snow. That will teach you not to smoke pot, and hopefully with better control you won't get bruised next week..." Anyways I just had a funny image, hopefully good for a laugh. I'm not very good at soccer, my only good skill is bruising tackles and intimidation. Back when Vi and I were dating in high school, she would get kicked all the time because no one could stop her, and I thought about playing soccer just to be the player who kicks the other team so they don't dare misbehave. I understand from Vi that with VAR this has gone out of fashion in pro soccer. And regarding manipulation, your definition is right from my perspective. Of course my principal at BS Baptist was great at manipulating people until made a fatal mistkae. I'll always think about him when I think of manipulation. And of course, poor Kate's stepmom. Catiy, I agree with Leona, as far as I know your story--I've just heard parts because of when I joined-- possibly things could have been better in your dark years, but I think lost years are what I have with my mom--don't be too hard on yourself. Actually right now not talking is proving to be better than talking

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. PS Author: Eleonora [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:39:39 02/11/26 Wed Hi! Good to see you, Zoe! You still have your sisters living with you, I understand? Good for them! It’s both a funny thought, and a scary one. Kind of like the ancient idea of having to do something you have overindulged in for pleasure, as an eternal punishment. Bodack, I think the person you remember is Kate, mentioned by Zoe, here Leona

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. PS Author: Zoe to Leona [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:05:38 02/11/26 Wed Leona, Yes, my stepsisters are still living with. After the rough first few months it is has really been working pretty well, and we've been able to establish where I can mostly by the cool older sister and only the authority figure when really needed. It has also turned out that when the cool kids are good students Jo can be an academic powerhouse. My stepdad and I have mended our relationship to a degree that I never would have thought possible when I started posted her a couple of years ago, which is certainly an unexpected plus.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. PS Author: ZOE - re: dark years, etc. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:45:24 02/15/26 Sun Hi Zoe, it’s nice to hear things are going well! I feel lucky that my mom and I are in a good place now. But I can’t help thinking that if we’d communicated better during my pre- and teen years things would have gone smoother then, and possibly going off to college would have had a better outcome. I needed her so much during those years, but ended up pushing her away. And she thought she was giving me room to find myself, when I was actually losing myself. But I don’t blame myself, or her. She didn’t understand what I was going through, and I didn’t have the emotional maturity to express what I was feeling. Caity

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: ZOE - Re: dark years, etc Author: Caitlyn [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:54:21 02/15/26 Sun Hi Zoe (again)! I'm reposting this because I posted it under the title I wanted to post it as, rather than my name.... Hi Zoe, it’s nice to hear things are going well! I feel lucky that my mom and I are in a good place now. But I can’t help thinking that if we’d communicated better during my pre- and teen years things would have gone smoother then, and possibly going off to college would have had a better outcome. I needed her so much during those years, but ended up pushing her away. And she thought she was giving me room to find myself, when I was actually losing myself. But I don’t blame myself, or her. She didn’t understand what I was going through, and I didn’t have the emotional maturity to express what I was feeling. Caity

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: ZOE - Re: dark years, etc Author: Caity [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:46:45 02/16/26 Mon You do have a very healthy attitude about possible regrets, in any case. Facing the past bad has always been a very delicate balance I think. I think sometimes things seem so very clear in hindsight, when our previous selves probably had better points!

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: LOL Author: Zoe [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:12:42 02/16/26 Mon Now I've done the same thing. HAHA.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: ZOE - Re: dark years, etc Author: Caitlyn [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:12:06 02/17/26 Tue Maybe that makes us great minds! If great minds think alike they'd also make the same mistakes, right? Caity

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: PS Re: ZOE - Re: dark years, etc Author: Caitlyn [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:18:39 02/17/26 Tue Therapy's made all the difference for me, I think. The informal therapy of this forum, especially while I was living at home after the disaster of my first college year, really helped, and going to professional therapy since I've been in California has been invaluable. Caity

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: PS Re: ZOE - Re: dark years, etc Author: Zoe [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:55:00 02/18/26 Wed Caity, Of course we are great minds, but we don't make mistakes, we just develop our genius intermittently and with unforeseen results! I know what you mean about the importance of informal therapy, and just having people to talk with who won't judge you and do and understand your circumstances. Really the therapy group I was in when I was younger, the group of girls was way more valuable than the therapist. Honestly I think she was often overwhelmed by us, not that she was totally useless but I think she wasn't ready for the depth and range of issues--sometimes I think we were assuring her she was alright.

[> [> [> Subject: LEONA - Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. PS Author: Caitlyn [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:49:41 02/15/26 Sun Hi! I do think of those years as lost, at least to us and what could have been. I imagined us as being real-life Gilmore Girls, but when mom remarried that went away. It’s not like we didn’t remain close, and that bond was still there, but my adolescent brain couldn’t help thinking that it wasn’t my mom and me, but my mom and three stepchildren. And of course my stepbrother and stepsister had their “real” dad and a stepmom, while I had a stepmom and a stepdad. So I reacted badly. It’s good that you can recognize what was happening with your mom. It’s easier to do that as we get older and have some years between now and those experiences, isn’t it? I don’t think attempting manipulation is a crime, lol, at least not in these circumstances! Manipulation with my stepsister was things like promising I wouldn’t do it again, or telling her I’d do some of her jobs around the house, or even one time threatening to tell our parents about things SHE did. None of it worked, of course. I think that last one was a time when she said something about making it harder on myself. I also remember a time when I was in the corner and she told me to quit squirming and stand still, and I said something like “is this still enough for you”, apparently in a sarcastic tone. That resulted in a lecture as she was walking me across the room for another spanking. It’s surprising that nothing similar occurred with your mom. Maybe you were just better behaved when spanking was imminent? Lol Take care! Caity

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: LEONA - Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. PS Author: Eleonora [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:22:40 02/18/26 Wed Hi! Strange, how we can be talking and listening, and still don’t get fundamental things! I’ve thought of you, your mom, your stepdad and stepsiblings as THE family of your uppringning, probably because it’s what I’ve heard most about. Yet, I could have known that the time you lived with all of them was just part of it. Your remark about Gilmore girls really brought that home to me! Sorry for not thinking! It did not come as a lightning out of clear sky, though, I hope? What did your mom do to prepare you that they were going to be family? How was the first introductions like? When you accepted your stepsister as taking care of discipline at her discretion, did you think a lot about it, pro and con? Or did you think it wouldn’t be so significant? Did you see the possibility of that amount of bullying? I do think it’s admirable that you have been able to resume normal relations! No, I don’t think that difference was because I was more well-behaved, at least not as a conscious strategy. Remember that you asked me about being pulled by the ear, and I explained that my feet froze to the ground? I think that feeling lingered on. A sense of shock, with my tounge paralyzed, too, and that more or less lasted through all of my spankings. All my best! Leona

[> [> Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. Author: bodack [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:22:46 02/11/26 Wed Eleanore, Yes you are right I missed it in Zoe's post. I wish Kate would come back with an up date. People make videos like that to share and I wonder who they were sharing them with and how. Did they end up on spanking Tube? The cynic in me says this was all swept under the rug.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. Author: Marina to Zoe and Bodack [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:08:50 02/11/26 Wed Hi, Zoe, Thank you so much for your sympathetic note and trying to be helpful. It already helped me a lot just to let off steam here about my situation and then to get back such a nice note like yours, not someone just saying like "just suck it up, girl, and stop complaining, you probably need lots of discipline"--which I think I kind of expected. You suggested, "Please talk to a trusted adult about how this must stop (and if you are in a very pro-spanking church, I mean someone out of this entirely, not someone who will gaslight you)." To be honest, I am terribly afraid if I talked to a trusted adult about this, he or she would feel obliged to intervene and get city or state--or God forbid--police officials involved. I've heard about and read horror stories about the things that have happened to some girls and to families when outside officials get involved. Families pulled apart and totally wrecked forever. People getting convicted of crimes and getting jail time for "abuse". I would never never want anything like that to happen to my mom or even to Zoe. Mom works hard to see that we get the things we need (or sometimes just "want"), and apart from my spankings she is generally nice to me and wants me to do well in school and wants me to have a good relationship with others that I deal with on a regular basis. She was similarly growing up and I don't think she is just mean or sadistic. I really believe she thinks my spankings are for my own good. As for Trudy, I don't "love" her, but I guess I'd have to say I don't hate her either. I think she does have a streak of genuine sadism--meaning that I know she really likes spanking me and seeing me punished--but from things she says I guess some part of her thinks she is helping me to do better in the long run. And there is one big plus in her favor. When she does get spankings from Mom, she is not hypocritical and given to whining or complaining about them, which I would find outrageous given how often she spanks me. She does start to weep tears when she is about to be spanked like I try not to do but still do a little, and she bawls very hard before a spanking is over just like I do. And afterwards she is not sullen or resentful or nasty toward mom, or toward me, who she is aware is usually right on deck to watch her get it. In other words, she takes her own spankings well and moves on without being a crybaby about what happened, and I do respect her for that. So, Zoe, I really appreciate your suggestion, clearly meant to be helpful, but there is no adult I can talk to who could talk directly and confidentially to Mom and get anything in the situation changed. On the contrary, an awful explosion could occur in our family relationships if I confided in any adult who felt required to seek outside intervention. As a last note I would just say I did feel the need to vent here a little, especially when I saw that others had complex relationships that also led to mixed reactions to the justice and/or fairness of their punishments, but all in all, I am annoyed and often angry about certain of the spankings I get, but I am not agonizing and moaning and pulling out my hair and desperate for some relief. To be honest I was looking (hopefully) for some suggestions, how maybe certain "magic words" spoken at the right time had worked for them and might get me out of a spanking, or for something I might say or do during a spanking that might-- MAYBE--get Trudy or my Mom to stop a bit earlier and conclude I've had enough. Or that might get one or both to cut back on the number of spankings I get, especially from Trudy. Small lies (like, "I've felt sick to my stomach since lunch!" or "A girl fell on me playing at recess today and my bottom and hip already hurt like crazy!") were used by me and worn out long ago--sigh!--but they did work once in a while. So, again, I really appreciate anyone's suggestions, and I also appreciate all comments--really I do!--but I am not ready to blow up my world just to avoid having a sore bottom two or three times a week, if that makes any sense. Love to you all, Marina

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. Author: Debra to Zoe and Bodack--what an idiot [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:23:58 02/11/26 Wed Just so you know, I wrote out two responses for two different forums, one to you two to thank your for your notes and comments--the one above--and another to a lady named Marina who posts on another site. When I just went to my draft of my note to her, I realized I had just used her name on that note to you two--the name Marina--when I put my draft on this forum, already thinking of the note I'm about to send to Marina. Don't know how or why I could do that. Just an idiot trying to do two notes at the same time. That should have been signed by my name in both places--sorry. Debra (hope my note makes sense now).

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. Author: bodack [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:09:54 02/12/26 Thu That actually happens a lot

[> [> Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. Author: bodack [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:46:20 02/11/26 Wed "To try to get out of a spanking (or make it lighter) is much less of a crime, isn’t it?" I would consider this more of a negotiation than manipulation.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. Author: Debra to Bodack and Zoe [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:12:20 02/11/26 Wed Just to finish that note about my misuse of the name Marina, you can see the note I just posted to Marina on the Spanking and Discipline forum. I had that all typed up to be copied and dropped in and was looking at it just before I dropped in my already typed note to you two on this site. On your comment that what I've been seeking here is more of a "negotiation" than a "manipulation" (which you are right is the subject of this group of posts), I would say I think you are probably right but I am not sure I understand the difference between the two words as applied under this topic. That is my fault, I am probably not experienced enough or sophisticated enough to understand the difference. I felt what my step-sister does with me is manipulate me into getting spankings by blowing up or exaggerating small things I do to justify spanking me. Like it is true I tossed my school skirt on my bed and hung my blouse on my chair and left my shoes where I kicked them off when I changed into a Tee and shorts and sandals--but I only did that while I ran down to have my snack in the kitchen, and fully intended to put everything where it belonged later that day. But my dear step-sister saw them, raced a fuss at the time, and then told my mother that she found I had thrown my good clothes everywhere--and I felt that was manipulating me into a situation where I got spanked. But it is true what I was really looking for here was more like "negotiation points" to help me get spanked less or spanked a little less long and hard. Sorry if I put my post here into the wrong place. Debra

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Eleonora, re: manipulation, etc. Author: bodack [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:10:54 02/11/26 Wed I really don't know how you can do any thing to reduce the severity or frequency of spankings.The spankings don't seem to have a goal of changing your behavior. If you could answer my favorite question since you get to watch at least some spankings. How many licks?

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Author: Zoe to Debra [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:41:12 02/11/26 Wed Debra: Negotiation implies a principal attempt to bargain, manipulation an attempt to get something via deciption or other underhanded means. However, given what you have said I don't think you are going to change your stepsister's behavior, because her intentions are to hurt you for her own enjoyment, and your mom is listening to her, and I'm not sure about negotiation. As to negotiation, partly that depends on what you are willing to put on the table. I will tell you when I moved in with my stepdad, who had the time had a strategy of paddling excessively, I said that I would only take a paddling I felt I deserved. However, I was 17, and I indicated my willingness to pack my car, which I had paid for with my own money, or to use force (I do MMA) to stop a spanking I disagreed with. I don't broadly recommend either strategy, and it would have in the long run been a bad thing if I would have hurt my stepdad, this only to say that I had put something on the table that my stepdad had to engage with. If you don't have something to offer, or a threat, you might not have anything to bargain with. You might express this is undermining your relationship with your mom but you might get in trouble for doing this, and you are too far away from being able to move out for that to be credible. I see your concern about what outside intervention would mean--if one of my younger stepsisters friends said what you did, I would feel the need to either intervene or report or both, but I think you need to do this. Bodack is right, that this reminds my of someone who wrote two years ago named Kate, and the person like your stepsister made things progressively worse. My advice is: 1) you can talk to someone who has a confidentiality mandate, such as a therapist, or counciler, and some mediators. 2) you may talk to someone without such a mandate, and ask for mediation in more general terms.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Author: bodack [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:40:47 02/12/26 Thu confidentiality mandates mean very little. There are broken all of the time.It also varies from state to state and most states require reporting of abuse which most people would consider this.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: To tell or not to tell Author: Debra to Zoe and Bodack [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:14:38 02/12/26 Thu Dear Zoe, I have read a lot of your earlier posts in the last day or so. You have a really great heart and what a treat it must be for your friends to be able to talk to you. And the kids you take care of through all kinds of problems, they are really lucky. And you also spank when needed which means the kids are wasting their time trying to con you or lie to you--you know how to deal with them for sure. On the idea of telling someone about my situation to get help, I have to agree with Bodack. Confidentiality mandates I believe go out the window if the law says the counselor must report what he or she thinks is abuse. But it is OK. I whine and complain but I can deal with the spankings I get. Like you I can be tough too. The thing is I can handle the spankings even if they are given me on some flimsy reason. I end up having an good hard cry and then I am sore for a day or so, okay, but then it passes and that's life. I would never risk exploding my life and ending up God knows where and apart from my mother. Many thanks to both of you. You are both tops. Wish I could give you both a big kiss. Debra

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: To tell or not to tell Author: Eleonora [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:20:28 02/13/26 Fri Hi! Debra, I understand your concernes about getting your family in legal trouble! Can you think of a person you could trust, who isn’t legally obliged to inform anyone? But who could be trusted, at least to some degree, by your mom? What they are doing is so over the top, and some kind of wake up call could be found, I hope! Leona

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: To tell or not to tell Author: Debra to Leona (Eleonora) and others [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:07:13 02/15/26 Sun Leona, thank you so much for your note. I hope my situation has not upset you. It is so nice of you to be concerned. The problem is that above all I would have to know someone, some adult first that would not go to the authorities about this, and second it would have to be an adult who mom knows and respects and who she would listen to, and I don't know anyone who fits into those two boxes. One thing though, you people made me realize that I was for sure not the one who was wrong in feeling strongly that I am getting spanked way too often and for flimsy reasons so I think I have decided what I can do about this. I have already gone back and made a list of all the spankings mom and my step-sister have given me in just the last three weeks and what they said I was being spanked for. Before that the number of the spankings and the causes get pretty blurry and run together and hard for me to remember and note down. But I am making that list. Then I am going to grit my teeth and not say anything for another two weeks but note each spanking I get and the flimsy causes. Then I will confront my mother and step-sister and tell them flat out that this has got to stop now or I will go to the authorities myself--like to the school principal. As I have said, I really don't want to do that and probably never would--because, like I say, that would blow up my life and home forever. But the thing is I have realized they can't be sure I wouldn't do that. Then I'll tell them that I'll tell the principal the kinds of things they are spanking me for and the number of spankings, and I'll tell them I have kept a list (and I will suggest it is even longer than than the list I'll really have (about five weeks, three I can remember now and two more). My mother and my smartass sister-in-law I think would be horrifies at the idea all of that being dropped on my school officials desk, with reports to the police almost required. I'm kind of stealing a page from Zoe here. I haven't taken MMA classes like her, but I think it is time I threaten to punch back myself. I happen to know my sister-in-law has no real close friends at school because she is a self-centered know-it-all and most of the kids her age know that, so the last thing she would want to have happen is a big blow-up over her being charged with abusing me. As I say I want to extend my list for like two weeks and then have a real five-week list and confront them both, but if I can keep my nerve and do that, I bet most if not all of their abuse will stop pretty quickly. I'll tell them I only have a copy of the list at home and the real list elsewhere. Wish me luck. Debra

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Yay for your plan! Author: Karl [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:41:14 02/16/26 Mon Good for you, Debra. It really does sound like your step-sister is spanking you for insubstantial reasons, maybe secretly for her own pleasure. And why should you continue to put up with being treated like this for how many more years? Your step-sister needs to find a play partner who freely and willingly consents to being spanked, if she wants to continue to giving spankings. Your story and your plan reminds me of a passage I read long ago in the biography of artist Emily Carr, titled "Growing Pains". It seems Emily's older sister used to like to spank Emily often for what Emily regarded as silly little things, even into her early adulthood, if I'm remembering right. But one day, Emily decided she'd had enough of her sister's spankings and told her sister forcefully that that she would no longer submit to these spankings. And if I remember right, her older sister did stop spanking her from them on. With regard to your plan, you should actually keep another copy of your list somewhere secure as backup, not just say you are doing it. Maybe even posting it here would work as a backup. Do let us know how this all works out for you and your step-sister and mom.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yay for your plan! Author: Zoe to Debra [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:15:05 02/16/26 Mon Karl gives good advice--he gave me good advice too, some time ago. I would also add when you DO confront them, make sure you have a place to be and someone expecting you not too long afterword. Sometimes people react badly to being confronted.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: to Zoe Author: Karl [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:27:06 02/16/26 Mon I haven't been on here for a while and maybe you haven't either, Zoe. I remember your story. But I remember as far as you moved out and eventually took in your step-sisters and had a visit or two from your dad. How have things been going with you and Vi and the kids over the past year or two? I'm glad to hear you thought my advice to you was good. I can't really remember what I wrote back then, but you certainly had a difficult situation with your mom and step-dad and that Baptist school with the principal who was jonesing for another chance to paddle you, and dealt with it admirably. Kudos to you!

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: to Zoe Author: Zoe to Karl [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:04:56 02/16/26 Mon Karl, Things have been mostly good. We had a rocky few months but after the girls and I have established a good rhythm where I can be the cool older sister as long as everyone behaves, which is almost all the time. Jo has also turned out to be a very talented and motivated student in a system that rewards that (and where it is socially cool to get As). Vi moved in with me for a while, and it was nice having a second parent but she's moved back east chasing better soccer. We have had some arguments about that but I think we'll be okish. My stepdad and I have repaired our relationship to a degree I wouldn't have thought possible. Really when he's freed of the toxic environment/expectations of Baptistville, he's a good person. Apparently when they were hanging out together on his last visit he told Amy "he was going to tell on her to Zoe" if she didn't shape up," in a somewhat joking way. Unfortunately he has received a bad medical diagnosis, so I'm not sure how much long he will have--a couple of years at least, I think/hope, but you never know . My mom and I are not talking but that's perhaps for the best. I've left the ball in her court, and that is less mental load for me. Because I was able to get almost 60 credits in high school and did an internship last summer, I'm able to graduate in May. I'm writing a capstone about experiences with modes of violence that is turning out to being a lot about spanking since people are willing to be interviewed about that. I'll share more when I've actually finished it. I have another internship lined up for the summer, and then I'll need to figure out what's next. Probably more study of some kind eventually, but there are too many things that appeal but nothing specific. Provided things are working with me and Vi will probably try to line up what I'm doing with her law school applications after some work next year since she has another year. I do have to say the if my ex-principal runs into me in a dark ally he had better walk the other way, quickly

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: to Zoe Author: Karl (to Zoe) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:24:44 02/17/26 Tue Glad to hear things have been working out well for you and your step-sisters and that even your step-dad seems to have come around to a saner outlook. I don't know what to say about your mother. From what you wrote before it seemed she was unwilling to acknowledge her own failings and blamed you as a scapegoat for everything. Interesting that so many people are willing to be interviewed about spanking. But if you're looking for another, non-spanking, source for your treatise on violence, you could look into Bill Buford's 1993 book "Among the Thugs" which is about what he learned and experienced while hanging out with England's football hooligans. Of course "football" in England is what we call "soccer" in America. I haven't read it myself, but I had long thought it would be worth reading. Here's a blurb about the book: "They have names like Barmy Bernie, Daft Donald, and Steamin' Sammy. They like lager (in huge quantities), the Queen, football clubs (especially Manchester United), and themselves. Their dislike encompasses the rest of the known universe, and England's soccer thugs express it in ways that range from mere vandalism to riots that terrorize entire cities. Now Bill Buford, editor of the prestigious journal Granta, enters this alternate society and records both its savageries and its sinister allure with the social imagination of a George Orwell and the raw personal engagement of a Hunter Thompson."

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yay for your plan! Author: Eleonora [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:11:36 02/17/26 Tue Hi! I, too, think you’ve come up with a good plan! If I may add a few thoughts, it would be that you shouldn’t rush it! I’m saying this, because when I have a good Idea, I’m eager to try it out, sometimes too eager. Keep it on the facts about what has happened, and your stepsister’s reactions, but keep her personality out of it, as much as possible. I don’t think your assessment of it is wrong, but in a discussion that easily gets heated, hard facts are your best friends! My best wishes Leona

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yay for your plan! Author: Debra to Leona and others [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:40:46 02/17/26 Tue Thanks so much, Leona, and others, for your encouragement. All of you who have posted have been helpful and encouraging. I'm feeling better about the plan to confront them every day. And yes I will keep a copy of the list in my school locker and also I will confront them when I already have someplace I have to be shortly after our talk and with people waiting for me--not that I think they might really try to get physical and really intimidate me, but just being safe rather than sorry. I am already thinking I may do it at the end of this week instead of waiting another week because I have written down the incidents over the last three weeks and the incidents are very numerous and show the patterns very clearly. And I put today down on the list already. When I got home from school my lovely Aunt had my waste basket from my room, full to overflowing, waiting to show my mother in the living room. "Look at this", she snarled. "A banana peel was left in there for days and days. It's totally spoiled and black! I have it in a plastic bag in the kitchen to show my sister." It was black, but I ate that banana Sunday evening, two days ago, and I would have emptied the full wastebasket today. This meant nothing to the martinet. "Take your dress and panties off, young lady", she said. "You have an appointment over my lap right now." I then had to undress in the living room and go over her lap and she then spanked me with her hand and then with the hairbrush until I was bawling my head off and I then did a wild dance in front of her naked as usual. And when I finally quieted down she said, "When I show that disgusting banana peel to mom that was left in your waste basket for days and days, she may very well spank you again tonight at your bedtime and I will suggest to her that do exactly that." So that is on the list with a ton of other very small matters like that. It's not like the banana peel was covered in bugs or something, or like it was left on the floor or on a windowsill or something--it was in the wastebasket which had filled up by last night and would have been emptied today. And the spanking, like all of hers, was very hard and long and I still have a very red bottom almost four hours later. The good thing--it's on the list with lots of others just like it and with lots of even less important events for which she or mom have spanked me, or sometimes both spanked me! Debra

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yay for your plan! Author: Sookma [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:58:25 02/18/26 Wed You spanked by both an aunt and a step sister?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yay for your plan! Author: Debra to Sookma [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:53:45 02/18/26 Wed Spanked by my mother and an older Step-Sister. Debra