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Subject: A-10 vs. PL for Fordham

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LUHakwer
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Date Posted: 14:16:53 11/09/04 Tue
In reply to: ramMan 's message, ""The CAA is not interested in a merger."" on 07:27:38 11/09/04 Tue

I continue to be befuddled by the posts on this board that if Fordham moved into the A-10 it would then REALLY become competitive and suddenly I-A schools will schedule you. The disconnect for me is that if you struggle in the PL, against supposedly weaker competition, what makes you believe that FU will become some powerhouse. FU has to recruit within a given set of constraints and it has some difficulty. Going to the A-10, you will have a different set of constraints & challenges, so how is it that FU will rise above its competitors? Still, I hope Fordham stays in the PL as its level of play, prestige and recognition continue to rise faster than that of other I-AA conferences. A-10 is no magic bullet for you guys and realistically is Maine or New Hampshire a bigger draw than Lehigh or Holy Cross?

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Scholarships are a big draw for a HS athlete... It also would allow FU to field a better team in general ..and increase the chance of playing a 1A each year.. No disrespect Lehigh.. but 3 teams in Pa. in PL arent exciting for an FU fan.. at least a Villanova, Delaware, UMass..an occasional Army/Navy/Rutgers type is more exciting option..... (NT) A-10 now 14:32:55 11/09/04 Tue

No disrespect taken. Though Lehigh doesn't get too excited about FU either and I doubt Delaware, UMass or a I-A will. Unfortunately, I think you are still missing the fundamental tenet of my question, which is, if FU can't compete in the PL, why will it then be a better recruiter against UMass, Del, Villanova or W&M? I think FU's challenges go beyond conference affiliation. If Lehigh and Colgate can recruit well and be very competitive, why can't FU, since we all have the same constraints. Those A-10 schools have even more resources for FB than the PL. Just trying to really understand it. (NT) -- LUHawker, 16:37:59 11/09/04 Tue

Re: Frankly, if Fordham is to go, this is the time most favorable to the school. The FB program is in good shape. The school's stature will have a significant restorative effect to A-10's academic/athletic profile. There will be some transition issues, like those Towson is facing, but with your facility upgrades and hopefully a new Athletic Director, you can surmount them. Fordham will not have to apologize to anybody - the A-10 will be thrilled to add your FB program. (NT) -- Go...'gate, 17:08:49 11/09/04 Tue
Fordham's problem is that for football purposes it can be categorized as both a small school or a large school (more inside) -- DamnRam, 17:39:22 11/09/04 Tue
Fordham has one thing going for it that no other PL team does: genuine historical stature on a national basis. But we squander this advantage by failing to commit the resources necessary for the program to be successful on a yearly basis. We've been successful the last few years, but there's no assurance that will continue. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 20:38:16 11/11/04 Thu

(continued) I'd like to see a stadium with more charm than the existing facility ( just a huge bleacher). Long term, I'd like to see the PL itself move to scholarship football, and take Richmond and Villanova from the CAA/A-10 mix. The best result for Fordham, as I see it, is no A-10 football after the CAA raid on the A-10, and a scholarship PL including Bucknell, Colgate, Fordham, Georgetown, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, Richmond and Villanova -- a great league of first-tier institutions committed to playing I-AA football at its highest level. Now that is something we can market. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 20:40:38 11/11/04 Thu

That'd be an interesting scenario but it's unlikely to happen. Richmond made promises to Clawson which will keep them at the full scholarship level & competing in markets well beyond the PA/NY/Worcester Patriot League corridor. And from what I hear re: Nova, their board is resolved to continue playing their traditional football rivals Delaware, Richmond, William and Mary, etc. I think our choices will be full scholarship 1-AA football in the "new", upgraded CAA or stay a need-based aid program in the Patriot League. If the PL was going to go full scholarship, they would have done it by now. (NT) -- Rambacker, 10:02:43 11/13/04 Sat

I know it's not likely to happen, largely because of the PL's "holier-than-thou" attitude on scholarships. The PL should stop trying to be Ivy wannabes. It should allow the full 63 scholarships, recruit Nova and Richmond, and become a league of top-tier academic schools playing I-AA football at its highest level. Now that would be truly unique, and such a commitment would gain more attention for the PL than being a poor man's Ivy League. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 12:58:37 11/14/04 Sun