So the question is, should that keep us from competing at the highest level of Div. 1-AA Football and having a chance to play Army, Navy and some excellent 1-A academic schools like Duke, Wake Forest, Rice, etc. You get what you pay for. It's time to invest in Fordham's future. -- FORDHAM RAMS FOOTBALL FORUM

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Subject: So the question is, should that keep us from competing at the highest level of Div. 1-AA Football and having a chance to play Army, Navy and some excellent 1-A academic schools like Duke, Wake Forest, Rice, etc. You get what you pay for. It's time to invest in Fordham's future.

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Date Posted: 22:49:31 11/30/04 Tue
In reply to: JoltinJoe 's message, "Remember, though, aid to students, whether given on a need-based basis or as an athletic scholarship, is counted toward football expenses. Remember too that state schools like Delaware have lower tuitions, even for out-of-state students. When you see that both Fordham and Delaware spend about the same on football, you have to recall that Delaware is getting more players per dollar spent than Fordham is. Fordham has to spend more per player, meaning it must spend more to land the same amount of players." on 18:48:41 11/30/04 Tue

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Our expenses are very close to villanova as well and they compete just fine. Richmond is not that far off either. We are spending more than northeastern, w&m and jmu. And we are spending more than those schools to play "non-scholarship" football. The reason we are not moving to scholarship football is not b/c it would increase our football expenses, it is b/c it would increase our overall athletic expenses. In other words it is a Title IX issue. (NT) J�Dete93 09:27:17 12/01/04 Wed

I'm hearing that we may add Women's Lacrosse and Field Hockey next year. If that's the case, that may solve the Title lX problem. (NT) Rambacker 09:39:22 12/01/04 Wed

I say this without knowing any of the facts, but if we are looking to add 2 women's sports it is either b/c we need them b/c we are not currently in compliance with Title IX or we are doing it to be set and ready to move to scholarship football. As much as most of us probably hope it is the latter, it unfortunately is most likely the former. (NT) -- J�Dete93, 10:12:28 12/01/04 Wed

I agree those are two very possible reasons, but it really could be that the university feels we now have the facilities and demand for either of those two sports, and that offering them would make us more competitive with certain other schools who already have them. I look at the lockerroom, fieldturf, lights, and possible visitors stands as being more suggestive of a possible upgrade to scholarship football than the consideration of two additional women's sports (especially given the m-f ratios). (NT) -- DamnRam, 13:06:07 12/01/04 Wed

I sort of doubt that we would be adding two sports for the reasons you mention. (more inside) -- J�Dete93, 16:04:15 12/01/04 Wed

Good point, Dete. We�re currently spending more on football than three (Hofstra, Richmond and Northeastern) of the four private schools in the A-10. With the exception of Hofstra, the cost of a scholarship at the A-10 private schools isn�t that much different from Fordham (see below).
Cost of a Full Scholarship (tuition + room & board)
Richmond $40,510
Fordham $36,448
Northeastern $35,410
Villanova $34,500
Hofstra $25,710
(more below) (NT) ramMan 10:49:13 12/01/04 Wed

Sorry, cost of a full scholarship at Fordham should read $36,448. (NT) -- ramMan, 10:50:48 12/01/04 Wed

I always forget that JMU and W&M are public schools. W&M's tuition and fees for out-of-state students are still fairly high though, so unless a good chunk of their players are from VA their costs are still nothing to sneeze at. (NT) -- J�Dete93, 11:01:16 12/01/04 Wed

The A-10 schools, however, have more full time assistant coaches than Fordham (Villanova 10; Hofstra, Northeastern and Richmond 7; Fordham only 6). (NT) -- ramMan, 10:54:33 12/01/04 Wed