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• Agree entirely, 100%.........Futher down, when I said Jesus was a prophet, once I had posted, I thought "oh, sht, did that offend anyone??" Do you believe in the bag of Charcoal bit?? I don't take any of the Bible literally, but there is a lot to be learned there. I find my religion comforting too, I don't take a lot of the laws literally, but I love the traditional bits. It does improve my life. (NT) -- Magenta, going on as usual!!, 19:03:33 07/18/01 Wed
• :::standing well back as Rox opens this big f*ck-off can o' worms::: Jus' kidding, sweetie, we're all relaxed and groovy enough to handle even the slipperiest of subjects. Anyway, as both a heathen and a Libertarian-type, my only problems with religion come from its organization. Faith is wonderful -- I envy those who find comfort and beauty and security within their faith of choice. (click here because I'm chatty) -- Vex., with big squeezy hugs!, 19:27:06 07/18/01 Wed
  • Vex! Yeah the tart is here! Next time bring Val, we need a bit of naughtiness, keeps us from getting all frowny faced! Errr I haven't had many good experiences with Christianity, sad to say, even though I used to draw Jesus constantly when I was a child, I did love his face. Like Vex I'm gonna get gabby so CLICK HERE -- spoot, 22:23:21 07/18/01 Wed
• Ooer! One of my FAVORITE controversial subjects!!!! >click< -- gumtree, 23:29:18 07/18/01 Wed
  • Yes Gum, that's sort of what I was trying to say. Most of the actual formal institution of the established religions are stupid and mindless authority stuff but the inspiration, the creativity, the devotion and fervor that religion can inspire, that is what matters. (NT) -- spoot, 00:49:16 07/19/01 Thu
• Hmm. Interesting. I was born into a Jewish family, so I guess that means I'm jewish. Though I haven't studied allllll of the other religions, I agree with Judaism the most. (whatever that means). I don't however, even want to THINK about taking any of it literally. I'm not a religious person by any means- I am spiritual. I guess I sort of use my religion because I pick bits of it that I like, and disregard those I don't. Oh well. I see religion as both comforting and uniting, and dividing- VERY dividing. I like the traditions of my religion, the family and the recognition of certain prayers make me feel like I belong. But I don't know if I believe in "God" perse. I don't think I'll ever know what I believe in, except for the fact that I deeply belive that everything happens for a reason. What the reasons are, I don't know. But thats part of the magic, I guess. (NT) -- Bin! being sorta chatty- will it fit in the message box?, 00:01:40 07/19/01 Thu
  • *believe... I believe I can spell. (NT) -- Bin!, 00:02:40 07/19/01 Thu
    • I can't figure out, in the judeo-christian theology, is God really this big old guy with a white beard? Is he human except up in the heavens and not really having a body? Is he the laws of nature? I never could figure it out except it seemed from the old testament that he was REALLY cranky and pissed off. That's about all I could feel about him, and that he would smite you if you were bad. He just wasn't my bag at all. (NT) -- spoot maybe I didn't get it..., 04:01:16 07/19/01 Thu
      • Yeah, there is this one prayer that pisses me off- basically says if you don't do this "I" get to decide how you die. By starvation, flood, etc etc etc. It's like um- excuuuuuse me? No. But then, there are some other cool things. It all depends on how literal you take it. The rabbi at my temple (after I complained to him about various things) told me to not take it so literally. So yeah. (NT) -- Bin!, 08:51:54 07/19/01 Thu
        • Dont know much about it - but Redhead takes great umbrage at Orthodox prayer that begins by thanking God [the pray-er] was not born a woman....does this have a deeper significance? or is it really what it sounds like? (NT) -- gumtree, 08:54:35 07/19/01 Thu
      • I don't even know if we are *supposed* to understand this....I mean the whole Trinity thing is impossible to understand...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit....ok....but they're all the same thing? Yes....ok......I've never been able to imagine God - so to me God is all things, Jesus I can imagine because I was always shown drawings, etc., so that's what has been ingrained in me. People would fight when discussing what Jesus looks like when you DO get to see him in Heaven....and I'd always think, well...he'll look like YOU, or whatever you'd imagined he would look like.....that type of stuff.....relaxed and groovy, totally! (NT) -- Roxy, 16:14:01 07/19/01 Thu
• Roxy! I love your post. I'm sure you all know by now that I don't believe in *god* as a larger than life entity..I think of it more like the souls that everyone has (does that make sense) I do envy those who take comfort in church...I was baptised Russian Orthodox(or some Russian thing..I must ask mom when I see her again) and went to Methodist, Baptist and Catholic churches..the Baptists had the best singing. I can't fully embrace any notion that excludes large groups of people and religions tend to do that. So..babbling....all I know is if there is a hell I've got a nice cozy seat near the fire and I'm bringing the marshmellows. (NT) -- Teri~~luv's Roxy..thank's hunni for your lovely post! MWAH!!, 06:27:56 07/19/01 Thu
  • Make room for me, then, Teri, as well. Do you think, perhaps, that hell is compartmentalized according to severity? Because while I'd certainly love to spend the rest of eternity with fellow likely-to-be-damned souls like Oscar Wilde and Lewis Carroll and Kurt Cobain, I'm not all that wild about having to hang about with the Mass Murdering Fuckheads (TM), know wot I mean? (NT) -- Vex., hoping for a cabin along the Sexual Deviance Promenade, 10:33:26 07/19/01 Thu
    • In my book of refernces, you will all go straight to heaven - non-boring not-narrow-minded dept!! (NT) -- Magenta, 13:21:55 07/19/01 Thu
      • Oooh Oscar Wilde. Love himmmmmm! I love how Judaism doesn't believe in a heaven or hell.. hahahahaha!!! (NT) -- Bin! with devil horns, 13:25:23 07/19/01 Thu
      • Thank you, Magenta! I hope so, too. Although really really I think mostly about reincarnation. But that's another can o' worms... (NT) -- Vex., 15:12:00 07/19/01 Thu
• Oh! I didn't expect such a RUSH!!! :D Thanks for your replies, guys, I can feel the love - which is my idea of following the *rules*. Maybe I'm copping out on the beliefs in my born-into religion....but I really DON'T take things literally...ever since I was little, the whole Bible vs. Science conflict of how the world was made always seemed ridiculous to me. I knew we had tons of knowledge and physical evidence of the millions of years it took for the earth to get to the present......I just couldn't figure out why no one would think that maybe *God's* days are waaaaaay longer than *our* 24 hours! And since the writings in the Bible are told through generations, then it makes sense that they are meant to give you something to think about, not necessarily something to take literally.....*that* is what always made sense to me, and it never created a conflict - for ME.... (NT) -- Roxy, 15:46:24 07/19/01 Thu
  • On the subject of those who will go to the bad place.....well, that's one thing that was REALLY scary as a kid - but I grew up with going to Church on Sundays, many times with my Mom, lots of times with the other kids in my class - because we HAD to (needed a note signed by the priest to verify that we were there)...but rarely with my Dad. I used to be scared that he'd be sent to hell because of this....but my Dad is loving, caring, selfless, hardworking, honest, kind-hearted, strong...well...I can only strive to be like him.....but I firmly believe that he deserves to end up in Heaven, wherever or whatever that is....even though he doesn't *gasp* go to Mass on Sundays. He gets upset at how the Church is so political, and has always bristled at the apparent avarice of the organization part of the religion. (NT) -- Roxy, 15:56:04 07/19/01 Thu
  • ...And Vex...where's that other can? The re-incarnation thing....I have LOTS of feelings about that....that our souls continue, so why not come back for another ride??? I guess I'm one of those Catholics that should be lumped into the *weirdo* category! LOL! I just think that if you're good, you're good....whether or not you're following those old-time rules.....and conversely, there ARE people who might outwardly follow rules, but that have black hearts....evil DOES exist...the whole *wolf in sheep's clothing* thing... (NT) -- Roxy, 16:05:46 07/19/01 Thu
    • The subject of Evil desrves it's own board!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- Magenta,"good", 20:00:51 07/19/01 Thu
    • Basically, too many odd things have happened in my life, things that have all pretty much pointed to a belief system that includes reincarnation. My logical, rational mind says "No no!", but my guts, my heart and yes, won't leave out the fears, they all make me believe... (NT) -- Vex., porno girl with heart of gold..., 14:10:33 07/20/01 Fri
      • I've had the whole thing about feeling like I've been someplace before (outside the US), where I haven't been....I feel connections to times far away from this lifetime, both happy ones and frightening ones, and I do feel that theory about a core of souls that connect again and again....pretty cool, I think. (NT) -- Roxy, 14:46:09 07/20/01 Fri
• Great post Roxy.....as usual I'm a bit late here in posting, but I think if your religion makes sense to you and gives you comfort and peace, that's a great thing and you are lucky to have aligned yourself with something so valued. My animals and landscapes give me a bit of that sense of comfort and peace, where religion for me doesn't do it at all, in fact I felt stifled and trapped as a young person. I live in a state that's predominantly one religion, which I have never been able to relate to in the least, but if it works for those people, I can swing with them believing that if they allow me to believe as I choose. It's what works for each individual that counts. (NT) -- BZC agrees there's lots of intangible energy out there...., 10:09:56 07/21/01 Sat