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Subject: The Draft -- it's never too early


Author:
Anthony49
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Date Posted: 19:19:26 01/02/03 Thu

I know I'm on record as saying that it is about time the 49'ers spent high picks on offense ...

But there are two defensive stalwarts in the Big 12 that would make a most excellent first round selection.

CORY REDDING, DE, Texas -- Cory has been a defensive stalwart and leader since his freshmen season. He is a team player, and brings an incredible speed and power from the DE position -- he's got decent size too. A Carter/Redding DE tandem would be impressive indeed.

ANDRE WOOLFOLK, CB, Oklahoma -- This guy is an AMAZING playmaker from the CB position. He might be one of the best pure athletes in the draft. Size, speed, toughness, flexibility, and playmaking ability -- everything you want in a CB. He will probably be gone by our drafting position, but he has slipped a little bit this year due to slight injury and inconsistency (projected top 5 in preseason) -- don't listen to that nonsense. This guy is a player, pure and simple.

Pick one of these guys, then they can devote the rest of the draft to offense. ;-).

Subject: Holmoe


Author:
Uncle Kevin
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Date Posted: 19:55:51 01/02/03 Thu

SoCal

Yes, Mooch and Tom did work together at Cal.

When Mooch took the HC job at Cal he hired Tom Holmoe, then the Defensive Secondary Coach of the 49ers, to be his Defensive Coordinator.

Tom got the job of HC at Cal the next year mostly on the recommendations of Mooch and Walsh.

I believe he's working in administration at BYU right now but I haven't checked to confirm that yet.

Anthony

I agree. We need to upgrade the talent on offense...I simply do not think that talking about a QB switch is a waste of time.

Does Garcia suck? Is he the worst QB in history? You know I don't think so. The list of pro QBs that I think are worse than Garcia is very very long.

But I think the best Garcia gives us is a guy who won't make egregious mistakes.

And that's not enough.

Subject: What's Holmoe up to?


Author:
Uncle Kevin
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Date Posted: 20:13:54 01/02/03 Thu

SoCal

Yup...Tom's back at BYU.

Tom's job

Subject: Garcia Ownes


Author:
Bob
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Date Posted: 22:26:18 01/02/03 Thu

This sure wouldn't be a credible fact but what are Owens stats like in the Probowl with a strong armed QB?

I know that is no comparison but out of curiosity can anyone find out?

Subject: Crikey.


Author:
TrevortheGreat of Trevor's Corner
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Date Posted: 22:26:25 01/02/03 Thu

TANK-

I do believe I already said I wasnt rebutting you, but Uncle Kevin, but incidentally, for a man who claims not to care what "major writers" have to say, you sure seem to quote a bunch.

And Anthony stole pretty much every pro-Garcia argument I had. So that's said.

And UK, if you think the list of QBs worse than Jeff Garcia is long, the list of QBs better is proportionally short. And of the QBs in the league better than him, the 49ers have a shot at getting none. Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning and Rich Gannon won't be going anywhere anytime soon. So all this talk of upgrade is truly balderdash, because there are no available upgrades. There have been no rumblings from the 49ers' front office of a desire to get rid of Garcia, nor should there be, considering that he's among the top five or six quarterbacks in the NFL.

I agree that Cade McNown could become a Steve Young- like backup to Garcia if his arm and mechanics troubles are remedied, but realistically, would he start next year? Hell no.

I also agree his weapons must be upgraded. Love the idea of drafting a tight end high, along with a wideout and a big tackle with subsequent first-day picks. I think that Mark Kreidler hits the nail on the head when he says:

"When opposing defenses scan the field, the only person they're making sure they track is Terrell Owens... there isn't a receiver on the field who is going to command fulltime concern -- you can practically feel Jeff Garcia trying not to constantly force throws to Owens -- and running back Garrison Hearst reached 95 rushing yards in a game only three times all season."

Now granted that last stat is a bit flawed, seeing as how Hearst split time with Kevan Barlow this year, but still. Good a year as Tai Streets has had -- really, he emerged like I always hoped he would -- more must be done. A third wideout option, big tall and surehanded, must be found. And one who can come in and make immediate impact.

But the bottom line is, Garcia aint going anywhere. And the cries and moans of a few perpetually-naysaying fans isn't going to change that.

Subject: Garcia's Stats & Griese


Author:
greg
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Date Posted: 22:53:57 01/02/03 Thu

Anthony49: I think the problem with many of the stats you quote are that they span two, even three years. Many fans are concerned with what happened this year. Garcia failed to take his game to "the next level." I would even say he slipped a level. The stats you cite don't lie. There are several RED FLAGS that the organization needs to be concerned with and evaluate.

Garcia's 2002 stats: CMP - 328 ATT - 528 PCT% - 62.1 YDS - 3344 YPA - 6.33 LONG - 76 TD - 21 INT - 10 QB RTG - 85.6

The problem:

(1) the drop from 4200+ yards in 2000, to 3538 in 2001, to ONLY 3344 yards in 2002 (yes, he sat out most of the last game, but I recall Rick Mirer played most of one game in 2000, and Garcia had an injured elbow in 2001...so what the point?);

(2) the 6.3 YPA is the lowest average for the franchise in 23 years, down from his 7.02 YPA in 2001;

(3) the 85.6 QB rating is down from 94.8 in 2001, 102 in 2000.

Granted, the 2000 stats reflect the influence of Jerry Rice opposite Owens, but Jerry Rice isn't coming back anytime soon, so Garcia needs to excell without him.

"Garcia now has the highest TD-to-INT ratio in history."

Yes, it was 3:1 in 2000 and 2001, but it has fallen to 2:1 this year. That is a RED FLAG. Gacia threw 32 TD's last year and half (16) went to Owens. This year, Garcia threw 21 Td's and nearly 2/3rds went to Owens (13)....RED FLAG. Garcia needs trust Eric Johnson (0 TD's) and Tai Streets (3 TD's by Garcia) in the Red Zone.

Third down efficiency? What about Red Zone deficiency? The Red Zone offense fell off the cliff this year with Garcia leading it.

Finally, the lack of comfort Garcia finds behind his o-line seems to be getting worse. He said he is fighting for survival in games. He said last week he "needs to go back to having fun playing the game." Those two comments may be the biggest RED FLAGS. Garcia is is admitting that he has lost his composure and it has reduced his effectiveness.

Re: Shanahan and Griese. Yes, Shanahan is a shrewd judge of talent. We agree. That is why Brian Griese is intriguing. Shanahan judged that Griese could be his starting quarterback the last four years. That speaks volumes. Assuming that Shanahan gets rid of Griese, maybe he is just being shrewd and making Griese the scape goat. It is rumored that Griese's real problem is alcohol. He has offended many of his teammates. Maybe a change of scenery and getting sober will return Griese to the talent that Shanahan thought he had the past four years.

Subject: Peace


Author:
Rod
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Date Posted: 01:53:02 01/03/03 Fri

Amthony49 amd greg..........................WOW, you guys should be GM's or something....thanks to both of you for your points...I have ALWAYS been a BIG Garcia fan and still am...I just love the intangibles he brings to the table. HOWEVER, after greg's last post with all the stats that I have pretty well felt, as I am sure most of us have.....ya just got to admit, HE IS DECLINING. It is something that I dont want to admit anymore than you guys. He has had a better OL this year, a better and more seasoned receiving corps (including TE), a more healthy backfield, and his numbers are dropping........he has appeared inept at the long ball almost all year........................and I think the quotes that greg just posted ahead of me are things that a starting QB in the NFL just should NOT say...no matter how shaken their confidence............Oh well, I hope I hope we are talking about next weeks game come Monday........But I have a sinking feeling that "come Monday it may not be all right"...........Hope I am wrong. Oh, by the way Anthony49, I enjoy and appreciate your posts as much as greg's and thank both of ya for the info seeking.........just gotta side with greg right now....On the flip side I know I hope (and think greg as well) Garcia makes us eat our words in the playoffs..............................Later

Subject: Jeff Garcia


Author:
Jim Burke
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Date Posted: 08:40:24 01/03/03 Fri

Ok here's my 2 cents on Jeff Garcia, and since I've seen him play more then anyone (CFL) I think that I am more then qualified. This thing about Garcia's arm strength is bogus. The CFL field is 20 yard wider then the field in the NFL, Garcia regularly threw passes to the wide side of the field with no problem. THAT'S A 40 YARD OUT BOYS! How many times do you see our offence set up with Garcia taking a 7 step drop? I don't see two many. Besides the only deep threat we have is Owens and when Owens goes deep the entire defense covers him. I don't blame Garcia for not throwing deep.

I've been watching as many bowl games as I can to try and find a WR who can step in and help us next year. I don't see a guy who has really stood out other then Williams from Texas but I hear he is returning for his senior year. I guy that I like but I am a bit concerned he may turn into J.J. Stokes is Billy McMullen from Virginia he's a huge target. Do think we need to have a burner opposite Owens a la Santana Moss?

Out

Subject: Stuff


Author:
Win
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Date Posted: 12:40:09 01/03/03 Fri

ANTHONY!!! -- As your unofficial JG Case for the Defense Argument Counter, I'm obliged to point out that you forgot to mention that this year's league MVP, Rich Gannon, hasn't thrown a pass longer than 20 yards all season long and you don't hear anyone bitching about his lack of arm strength. Because, of course, it's a canard. If your offense is properly designed, you simply don't need a cannon behind center.

Trev - I thought that article by Kriedler was one of the worst analyses of the 49ers I've seen this year. Because you can't have it both ways: you can't run around arguing that SF needs to get the ball to Owens 12 times a game and then turn the fact that Garcia has been looking to do just that into a point of criticism.

Hires and Fires: George Stewart, he's the receivers coach, right? He's the one coach who needs to be fired before anyone else. If there's one area of our offense that has dragged down everything else, including Garcia's performance and our rushing attack, it's the unreliability of the passing game, especially on first down. Why? I think it's because our receivers have been doing an awful job running routes, even Owens, and I think that has to be down to the coaching they're getting.

Knapp I'd consider canning too. But Mora and DeHaven have done sterling jobs with units that have been plagued by injuries and both deserve to stay.

Looking to Sunday, it was imperative that we get Bronson back on the field, especially with the likelihood that Rumph will have to do duty for Webster.

The absence of Winborn worries me much less. Our current linebacking rotation is probably the most solid unit on the entire team.

As to how we beat the G-Men. Well, we have the most dominant offensive player in the playoff field and we have a QB who's thrown him almost 50 TDs over the past four years. We also have a fast, powerful second-year running back named Kevan Barlow who's hungry for NFL glory, and I predict he's going to be the difference maker.

Defensively, we should blitz and blitz and blitz again. Balls out, no quarter, get to Collins. If he beats us once or twice, it's all right. The important thing is to pressure him. Let me rephrase that: the important thing is to knock him silly.

I'm I scared of what might happen on Sunday? Yeah, but I'm not going to let you guys see it.

Subject: Bitterness for motivation!


Author:
49ertothecore
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Date Posted: 13:43:21 01/03/03 Fri

I was kind of thinking about how much of an impact momentum and confidence (except for maybe Newberry & Peterson!!) have on teams going into the playoffs, and I was thinking the 49ers don't have alot in comparison to some teams due to the way they have been playing. So what could Mooch pull out of the bag as a motivational tools?

#1 - remember how bitter and horrible it felt losing in the 1st round to Green Bay last year! We don't want a repeat!

#2 - the 49ers have yet to play 4 quarters (except maybe the Raider game) in any game this year and their best football has to be in front of them. No better time than now, otherwise the 49ers will become spectators like the rest of us and that wouldn't be good!

I think a big key to winning against NY is the QB pressure/sacks and coverage. If NY opts for Collins to get rid of the ball quickly, we need to be covering well from the snap and if he drops back for longer plays the pressure has to be their otherwise we're one and done!

Lets hope Mooch & Knapp can be creative & unpredictable with Owens and the rest of the offense, mix it well and keep them guessing!

WIN - Barlow could very well be a game breaker! Is Barlow ready to take over for Hearst?

Subject: Puzzling


Author:
Uncle Kevin
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Date Posted: 16:05:04 01/03/03 Fri

Win

Not for nothing...but you'd hear a lot of bitching about Gannon's lack of arm strength if you lived in Raider Country.

Not from me. I've always thought Gannon was a heck of a QB, and could never figure out why Marty insisted on playing Grbac when he had Gannon. But there you go.

Trev

So that's the official list, is it?

Donovan McNabb,
Michael Vick,
Brett Favre,
Peyton Manning
Rich Gannon



But is that the official list of QBs who are better than Garcia?

Or the official list of QBs who are better than Garcia that we have no chance of getting?



I'll go either way with it. I mean...I agree with you, we don't have a chance of getting any of those guys. And I think you're right...I think they'd all be an upgrade over Garcia.

Which by you makes Garcia the 6th best QB in the league. Which ain't all that bad when you think about it.

The problem is...my list of guys who are an upgrade...who are better, is a little longer.

I mean, what about Brady in New England? A young guy with great poise and a terrific arm...who already has a Superbowl title in his pocket. I think he'd be an upgrade.

And I sure wouldn't turn down the opportunity to sign Pennington if he became available. Boy hasn't he turned out to be something special!

Then there are Cullpepper and McNair. Both big strong guys...wonderfully mobile, with great passing arms. I think either of those could do a job getting the ball to Owens.

And the youngsters who look like they are poised to make such a big splash in the NFL. Guys like Harrington and Carr. They've both had a rough go considering the teams they are on...but gee, you can't deny their talent. Can you? (And Anthony, who loves Garcia, will tell you that Drew Brees is gonna do great things in the NFL if he survives Schottenheimer.)

So far, my list has 12 QBs that I think would be an upgrade over Garcia.

Unavailable? Maybe. You could be right there.

But then, I think there's another name that belongs on that list. Jake Plummer. In fact, I'd put him very high on that list of guys who are better than Garcia, because his skills and physical tools are such a perfect fit for the Niner offensive system. And the fact is...he's the one who just might be on the market this summer.

So that makes Jeff (according to my list) the 14th best QB in the league?

Well, not so much. See, I think he's pretty much in the same class as Griese, Brunell, Green, Brooks, Bolger, Flutie, Couch and probably Maddox.

But heck, okay. Just for arguments sake...let's call him the top of the second tier QBs. The 14th best starting Qb in the league. (Maybe the 15th. Bolger looked very good.)

So it's all in how you look at it, isn't it Trev?

I mean, if "good enough---middle of the pack" #14 out of 31 is good enough for you then grand.

Myself...I'm a Niner fan...I know what this offense can do with a better QB at Center, and I'd like a chance to see that again.

Sorry that seems to tick you off so much Trev, but keep in mind...I just typed my opinion on a bulletin board on the web. I didn't kick your dog.

Subject: Momentum


Author:
Uncle Kevin
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Date Posted: 16:10:25 01/03/03 Fri

49ertothecore

In terms of momentum, remember...we ended last season by shutting down Philly, and crushing New Orleans.

And then Green Bay kicked our ass in the first game of the playoffs.

Momentum might be a great coaching tool, and a nifty thing for football writers to fill their columns with...but personally I don't think it means much of anything at all.

Subject: Stewart


Author:
THENINES
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Date Posted: 16:20:41 01/03/03 Fri

Win i think your right about our receivers running poor routes! That comes down to coaching, and Stewart made his name as a ST coach, but lobbied for the job. (Didn't it belong to Larry Kirksey?) Anyway i thought that Stewart said he was leaving after this season, to be the HC at his Alma Mater. Can anyone confirm this!!
Even though Vegas has us favored (barely) everyone, and i mean everyone. Seems to think we have no chance! Collins is a pro bowl qb, Shockey will run roughshod, Barber will make our linebackers look silly, and Owens will be kept in check!!

I think we play our best game of the year, and everyone says WHOA! Where did that come from....

Subject: UK - I agree!


Author:
49ertothecore
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Date Posted: 16:49:59 01/03/03 Fri

I agree with you about Garcia, unless he does something this Sunday and further in the playoffs that he hasn't done in 3 years, win a playoff game or a game that really meant somthing (ok, I'll give him the Raider game, but the score should've been more like 37-20, instead of 23-20) against a strong NFL opponent.

I also think SF could do wonders for Jake and viceversa. It's a shame we needed defense so desperately in 2000 when we opted for Peterson instead of taking Pennington. Although Peterson is coming along nicely. I doubt the Jets will let Pennington get away. Maybe, we could get Shannahan to take Garcia off our hands and give us some draft picks or how about Deltha O'neal (starting CB)straight up, sign Jake and maybe if Jake came it would encourage Boston (cut Stokes) to sign with SF. Then we've Jake, T.O. & Boston, pretty potent along with Hearst & Barlow & Eric Johnson.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could draft an impact TE like Shockey to upgrade the TE position and have Johnson as #2 TE.

As far as your take on momentum & confidence, I hope your right. Today's NFL is so unpredictable that any game is up for grabs, who wants it more and who executes better?

Subject: THENINES - you got my vote!


Author:
49ertothecore
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Date Posted: 16:55:14 01/03/03 Fri

THENINES - you got my vote, save our best for last and be this year's surprise. I would be surprised but that would be fine by me!

Subject: Blame Game, NY Giants, NFL Draft, Loose Ends


Author:
TANK
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Date Posted: 16:57:02 01/03/03 Fri

BLAME GAME: I agree with those who would argue that Garcia isn't THE problem, just like I agree with those who have concluded that Mariucci isn't THE problem. It is far more complex than that. This is not to say that both men haven't made some mistakes. Garcia has made some bad decisions this year. He has slipped off, not in one game, but ALL season except for a game or two. He is the first to admit as much. And, Mooch's clock management and play calling was flawed at times (every coach, even Bill Walsh, can be second guessed). The problem with focusing on these two men is that it ignores two or three BIGGER issues:

1. nickel defense (#5CB AND pass rush);
2. special teams (kickoffs, punts, covereage, and missed FG's);
3. insufficient offensive personnel (#2WR, #2TE, OL).

These three issues were far greater impediments to the team's success and affected Garcia's play and the coaches decision making. I always like to point out Mariucci's success when he first inherited far better offensive talent. I think it is fair to point out Garcia's success when he had Rice opposite Owens, Ray Brown and Dave Fiore. Greg's post showed the decline in Garcia's numbers after Rice left. This year every defense he faced knew the key to winning was shutting down Owens. Garcia AND Mariucci will perform much better with a dynamic, impact stud opposite Owens. Teams won't be as likely to blitz...Garcia will feel safer...the offense will open up. Everybody will be happy!

With a first rate kicker, we beat San Diego and Oakland in regulation.

With a first rate nickel defense, we beat New Orleans, route Washington, Kansas City, Seattle, Arizona and St. Louis.
With an offensive line that can control the line of scrimmage, we battle Denver, Philadelphia and beat the Packers with first and goal at the end of the game.

NY GIANTS: They are a far better team than we we met in the first week of the season. Shockey has emerged. Collins is confident. Barber is healthier. The key to this game will be the line of scrimmage (isn't it always?). Many of the 49ers' offensive linemen got much of the Rams game off. I hope they utilize that break to recharge their batteries and mend. Ron Stone and Scott Gragg have to be at their best. Deese has to be sharp. Heitmann? Just don't make any mistakes, and ewberry has to keep a level head...no Kyle Turley outbusrts.

On defense, Stubblefield and Young have to take away the middle. Okeafor has to wrap up. Carter has to be huge. Oh yeah...Derek Smith needs to be consistant. I wish Parrish had full use of his arm. Rumph will be all right against Ron Dixon.

NFL DRAFT: I like Cory Redding and Michel Haynes as FIRST ROUND investment to shore up the LDE and add an impact. I agree with an earlier post that Donahue should sign a veteran CB, but if he opts for more speed in the defensive backfield, I like CB Terrance Newman or Marcus Trufant. Andre Woolfolks is talented but inexperienced. He won't help much next year. If Donahue finally chooses to invest in the offense, I like OT Kwame Harris and WR Rashaun Woods. I would be most inclined to go the LDE route with the 26th pick.

In the second round, I would almost certainly draft Kelly Washington (if medically cleared) or Central Florida's Doug Gabriel. Washington sounds like Terrell reincarnated: 6'4, 225 pounds, ran a 4.38, while doing 28 reps of 225 pounds...and he "runs his mouth way too much...he points the finger so much," according to Pro Football Weekly, 12/05/02. So why does Kelly fall to the second round? Buschbaum and Pasquarelli say Washington lacks great speed (despite the reported 4.38), has just average change of direction, is a 24 year old, former minor league pitcher who has only played two injury shortened college football seasons and has missed games with (1) a partial tear to the lateral collateral ligament in his right knee, (2) a concussion/whiplash that required spinal fusion surgery, (3) a sore heel, and (4) concerns about narrowing of his spinal canal (see Junior Bryant). Does that adequately explain the risk? Gabriel (6'2, 205, 4.5), on the other hand, is a small school, JUCO transfer who is described as "a game-impacting receiver...big, strong yet fast and a deep threat that stretches the defense...able to make the difficult catch in a crowd...who needs to improve his route running skills and overall focus," by TFY. OT's Tony Pashos and Brett Williams may also slip down well into the second round. On defense, I like the potential of Auburn's DT DeMarco McNeil (6'1, 305) who may be short but explosive. He stuffs the run and rushes the passer (TFY alternately compares him to Casey Hampton, Gerrad Warren and Anthony McFarland), but he drops due to the fact he hasn't played to the level of his redshirt freshman year because of a leg injury in 2001.

I would: sign a veteran CB, draft LDE Haynes/Redding (R1) and WR Washington/Gabriel (R2), look for line help with (R3), draft UCLA's tight end (R4), and fish with all the other picks. Any leftover FA money/salary cap space should shore up the lines and/or special teams.

Subject: FYI Trevor


Author:
TANK
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Date Posted: 17:50:28 01/03/03 Fri

Trevor the Great argues that "the (problems) being cited here are just spoken out of reflex action, I believe. LDE and OT are always cited as problem areas around this site. Hopefully someday you'll learn."

Since I have made the case about LDE and OT on numerous occassions, you hope that "someday I'll learn." The implication that I don't know what I am talking about, so I quoted three people NOT associated with this forum: Ira Miller, Ray Ratto and Jeff Garcia. I figured their opinions might be accepted as something more than "reflex action." I hoped we would all be able to learn from their concerns about the offensive line.

Trevor, you relied on "major writers" to make your case for Deese. You obviously value their opinions, and you doubt mine. Hence, I rebutted with some "major writers" (and Jeff Garcia). So, "for a man who claims not to care what "major writers" have to say, (I) sure seem to quote a bunch." Yes, I do, when that is the opinion that you value.

So, you may still disagree with my "reflex action," but what do you say about Miller, Ratto and Garcia's observation about the offensive line? They said it was dominated by Green Bay. Garcia says of this season, he is "fighting for survival." Newberry and Stone ARE Pro Bowlers, so it would suggest that the problem lies with Gragg, Heitmann, even Deese. Gragg is isolated on the right, but the other two anchor the left (blindside). You may not agree, but Garcia says he isn't comfortable behind this line, and Hearst has struggled against the better defenses.

Tell me Trevor, what do you think Garcia is talking about?

Subject: Feeling yappy...


Author:
Win
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Date Posted: 18:29:33 01/03/03 Fri

Kevin - It must be hell in your workshop these days! I just hope you've been liberal in exercising your bragging rights over the Stooges.

And it's hard to disagree with your last response to Trev. Myself, I would rank Garcia above Culpepper and Brady, but yeah, based on his outing this year, our guy is behind about ten other QBs in terms of overall talent and impact. And my memory of the kind of confidence I had in the O when Young and Montana were at the helm is too fresh to pretend that I wouldn't eventually like to see someone more of their ilk at QB.

Still, like I've said before, I think JG has it in him to win a Super Bowl.

TANK -- Not to take too much away from the Giants, because they've did just pull off a terrific second-half run to make the playoffs, but they really didn't look all that special last week. That was a playoff game for them, essentially, and while their defense was splendid, their offense looked like it was coming apart at the seams for most of the day.

Yes, they're healthier than they were at the beginning of the season, their O line has been a pleasant surprise, and they've developed a lot of fire and confidence over the last couple of months. But they're still as prone to mistakes and disarray as they were in Week 1.

There are lots of reasons to say that they'll "pull an upset" on Sunday -- I've been hearing them all week here in NYC -- but I can't help thinking they look a lot more like a "one-and-out" team than the 49ers.

Subject: Today's Papers


Author:
TANK
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Date Posted: 19:36:02 01/03/03 Fri

Win: Despite the Giants struggle to score 10 points last week against the Eagles, New York still averaged 25.7 points a game over the last nine games of the season (when Fassel took over play calling) and finished 7-2 during that period. For the life of me, I cannot figure out why the 49ers seem to struggle to score more than 17 points.

This game could go either way. The Giants are more likely to blow out the Niners than vice versa...and that scares me. i wouldn't even feel safe with a 17-0 lead at half time. You could say my psyche is scarred from watching lesser teams, like Seattle and St. Louis come back on us. I figure it will be a 21-17 or 20-17 victory...I'm just not sure who wins.

I would love to see the 49ers score 28 or 31 points. If that happens, it means the defense probably contributes 7 points.

Uncle Kevin names several QB's but forgets Kurt Warner. My how the once mighty have fallen.

QB Ratings are weird this year. Guys like Feeley and Bulger have huge numbers, but didn't play enough games to rank. In the end, I just want to see if Garcia can win a playoff game. With all due respect to the CFL and 40 yard outs, I want to see Jeff beat the Packers...win a playoff game, first at home and then on the road. I want to see him carry the team for a quarter when the running game bogs down. I know his legs can move the chains, but I want to see him make good decisions and use his arm to score touchdowns in the Red Zone.

And, I want to see the o-line dominate the Giants.

Subject: Ah HA!


Author:
TrevortheGreat of Trevor's Corner
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Date Posted: 20:15:59 01/03/03 Fri

TANK-

I agree with everything you said about the needs in the 49ers' supporting cast being overlooked.

I'm sorry, but I do disagree with you about Derrick Deese and Chike Okeafor. I feel that both are valuable contributors, and while neither is a superstar, well, you can't have a superstar at every position. In fact, the 49ers are one of the few NFL teams lucky enough to be able to say that they have a solid-to-good player starting at pretty much every position on the team.

And while both Steve Mariucci and Jeff Garcia have had their stumbles this year, the fault lies on neither one of them, and I agree with you on that too.

If nothing else, I think this is just a matter of miscommunication. I agree with you in what you're saying, though I think you and UK both are a bit too hard on Garcia. That's it.

Subject: Go Niners!


Author:
SoCal Dave
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Date Posted: 20:38:27 01/03/03 Fri

Unkle Kevin,

That's for the update on Tom Holmoe. Boy, would I like to see them working together again. I really don't like what Mora's been doing as the DC and think he's dragging the rest of the team down. Due to the fact that each of our last three drafts have been dedicated to the defense, it's taking it's toll on the whole team. Times up Jim, you've got the talent and still can't stop the 3rd down coversion.

Hire Tom Holmoe!!

Anthony, so this is where you've been today!

Re: Garcia. IMO, Garcia has done a great job in his few years with the Niners. But, I think he's hit the wall. He's been an overachiever and the team is at the point where it's ready to take the step to the next level. Can Garcia lead them there? That remains to be seen, but his production is down and he hasn't shown us anything in big games. It may just be lack of experience, or he may have maxed his potential. We'll know by Sunday night.

Subject: Unkle Kevin


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Buddy
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Date Posted: 21:16:06 01/03/03 Fri

U.K.,
You failed to mention the quarterback that should be front and center in all of our minds this weekend, Kerry Collins.I am curious as to which team you think has the edge at the Q.B. position this weekend.Niners or Giants.

If anyone else cares to respond, please do.


Buddy

Subject: Draft


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Jim Burke
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Date Posted: 21:38:26 01/03/03 Fri

Do you guys think that Redding will drop down to us. I mean we're going to have a pick in the mid 20's, I think he'll be gone by the time we pick. He'd be great on the other side of AC.

Here's another WR I like ANDRE JOHNSON from Miami, If we can trade up in the second round I think he's worth the pick, I think he'd fit into our offence perfectly. He runs the slant perfectly and is a big target with breakaway speed.

Out

Subject: A questoin fot Tank


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Scott
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Date Posted: 23:02:56 01/03/03 Fri

Thank you. I enjoy reading your posts and I respect your opinion.You certianly seen to know what the teams weaknesses are. What do you think our strengths are? Do think we stand a chance this weekend?

Subject: barlow


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waleed
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Date Posted: 23:24:54 01/03/03 Fri

Hearst had a great year last year and has some great moments now, but I think its time to let him go, if he still has any trade value. I was at the rams game sunday and kept seeing barlow waiting frustrated on the sidelines, when every time he went in he was making plays. Then 2 garrison hearst miscues lead to 2 rams touchdowns. He's a great guy and great in pass protection but he doesn't have near the explosiviness that barlow has.

Subject: Buddy, Scott & Jim Burke


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TANK
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Date Posted: 23:51:39 01/03/03 Fri

Buddy: I give Kerry Collins the edge over Garcia if for no other reason than he has won playoff games and taken his team to the Super Bowl. Garcia needs to prove he can do win a playoff game.

Jim Burke: I enjoy two draft class rankings, one is The Huddle Report and the other is Great Blue North Draft Report. Both list Miami WR Andre Johnson as the 12th highest rated player in the draft (NOTE: these are not mock drafts). Huddle rates Redding 32nd, and GBN rates him 26th. Coincidentally, the Niners have the 26th pick (unless they play in the Super Bowl).

Scott: I appreciate the kind words. Certainly, the 49ers have a chance and several big strengths. First, Terrell Owens is the most dangerous player on the field. He can score from anywhere if Garcia delivers the ball to him in stride with seperation. I also think Barlow is explosive, but curiously under utilized (I think he should start and Hearst should sub). Eric Johnson and Garcia have good chemistry, and I sense they are finally going to connect deep at some point this year. That will open up Owens and Streets. Gragg and Stone have shown they can neutralize Strahan. I hope the left side can be as effective. Beasley is a strength as a lead blocker and picking up blitzes. Then, there is our opportunistic safety corps...something like 14 INT's between Parrish, Heard and Bronson. They can snuff a Giants drive, reverse momentum or even score a TD. I think Mora can upset Collins and keep him off balance with a well disguised blitz. I expect BY and Stubby to be veteran leaders and leave everything they have on the field. I really want Carter to dominate, but he only affects three or four passing downs a game. Rumph and Plummer will have to be solid on the other 20 passing plays.

Trevor: Why do you think our offensive line gets dominated? Why do you think Garcia feels like he is under so much pressure. You think the team has three All Pros, so that shouldn't be happening. What does this line need to reach the next level?

Yes, the 49ers have nice starters at 22 positions, but they have three first day draft picks and free agency to upgrade three or four positions. What would you do? You may like every player, but you have to look at this offseason as an opportunity to upgrade some key spots. What do you do?

Subject: 9ers


Author:
Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 01:23:34 01/04/03 Sat


Ok... now I'm really back. The site is really updated, and I have had time to read a ton of posts. Obviously it would be futile to try and respond to all of you, so hopefully I can pick up here and go with it...

A few quick observations....

Wonder if Winborn would be ready had he had the surgery 8 weeks ago?

Wonder if the offense will finally open up?

Wonder if Newberry's remarks will have the same effects of Schulters....

Wonder if Webster is healthy enough to play... wonder if Rumph can make plays...


That's all for now... great to be back, and thanks for the kind wishes everyone...

oh by the way... just to give everyone a heads up... most of the posts while I was gone were fine, but please remember to be civial and to get back to the regular 'policed' type posts that have become part of what makes 49ers Paradise great now that I'm back.

Thanks!


Subject: The Real Deal


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RageFX
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Date Posted: 01:48:46 01/04/03 Sat

I know we have no hope in getting him but it appears as if there is finally a Heismann winning QB that will make something of himself in the NFL.

I have watched Carson Palmer in a few games this year and I am very impressed he seems to have it all.
He is 6'6" about 240 lbs. He has a cannon arm and is very accurate with his passes. He is intelligent and knows the game,he also seems very calm under the pass rush.His instincts of the game also seem to be top notch.He also appears to have strong leadership skills. The thing that surprised me the most about Palmer is how athletic he is. He is very mobile not only for his size but in general. He's 6'6" 240 and he runs a 4.6 40 thats very impressive.
He seems to have it all, the Tangibles and the InTangibles.
I can't help but think "Dream" he would look great in our system and on our team.

However, He will end up going very early in the draft to a crappy team that isn't built to do anything and they will likely get him killed and his career shortened.

Oh well mabey we could get him in a year or two like we picked up McNown , yeah I know wishful thinking.

Subject: Bryan


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2winspapa
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Date Posted: 07:26:58 01/04/03 Sat

Welcome back Bryan. Hope you feel rested and refreshed and ready to cover the playoffs where I'm hoping that the niners somehow manage to go deep into, or better yet all the way.

There have been some interesting observations here on the forum, the net and on the tube, but one I haven't heard mentioned here is the fact that the g-men have basically played their "superbowl" by playing the eagles last week. They left it ALL out on the field, and if anyone of you knows the game or have played the game, that can be a tough one to recover from, both physically AND emotionally.

I hope that we can attack them early and often, play ball control, and wear them down. It might be a long game and it may even lack a few thrills, but I bet the niners can notch a win.

Subject: Niner's Problems


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Ninerbill
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Date Posted: 13:02:17 01/04/03 Sat

OK, We all want to know what the niners problems are. Of course we have had some horrible teams come back to beat us, we have had a kicker that misses clutch field goals, we have had some good player's on defense miss games due to injury, Example!!! What was our defense ranked before Bronson got his injury. This team is better than it's been playing. I saw us loose the game to the Packers because we made a single mistake, Garcia's trow off the helmet and not scoring inside the 10 at the end of the game. That game was ours for the taking. I saw San Diego come back because our defense is not played aggresively, I saw the Rams come back for the same reasons and because Rattay can't move the offense either.

We need a good 2nd reciever and maybe Streets can be that reciever, I don't know yet. We need Bronson back, Yes he is a good player and the defense is better with him on the field. We need a Kicker and Special teams that can play. Maybe some coaching changes will get us what we need. This Defense is talented but has not lived up to it's abilities. Maybe that's Mora's fault. The Offense sometime and more often than not is average and unimpressive. Owens is the Offense. Barlow looks like he needs to be the starter even though I love Heast. It's just time as he adds another deminsion to the game. This team should have gone 12-4 or 13-3 but the lack of big play ability, Horrible special teams and poor defensive strategy and play calling have made this team average.

Subject: My Note to Mora Critics


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Teller
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Date Posted: 14:34:05 01/04/03 Sat

I just want to say to all the Mora critics (and Holmoe fans) that no unit was more devasted by injuries than Mora's defense. The leader of his backfield (Bronson), his best linebacker (Winborn), three promising rookies (Rasheed, Curtis & Shaw) and four of his six CB's (Plummer, Webster, Parker & Williams). Mora's defense gave the 49ers a chance to beat Brett Favre and the Green Bay Packers even though it was handicapped without its star CB, Ahmed Plummer. With his coaching, Mora keeps making safeties look like All Pros...Lose Merton Hanks? No worry, unknown/unheralded Lance Schulters emerges. Lose Schulters? No Tim McDonald? No worry, undrafted Zach Bronson comes out of nowhere. Lose Schulters and Bronson gets injured? No worry, undrafted Ronnie Heard plays remarkably well.

I would be interested to know, once the 53 man roster was set, how many times were players removed and practice squad or free agents added to each unit? I think the offense brought up a WR Jordan, RB Robertson and an obscure offensive lineman. Most of these guys were inactive. But, on defense, Mora was forced by injury to bring up Jason Moore, Bradon Moore, Duane Hawthorn, Frank Strong, Quincy Stewart...I know I am missing someone...and these guys played, a lot!

Do you realize that Mora was playing a man down on the d-line while Shaw was taking the first 12 weeks to get healthy? Winborn wasn't IR'd until two days ago, meaning he was a linebacker short, too. Oh yeah...remember the three safeties he started the season with? We all knew that was too few...and then Bronson missed 11 weeks!

TANK and others makes excuses for Mariucci being without a #2WR, but Mora didn't have a nickel back (he had a bewildered rookie). I think both these men deserve some slack. We know their players respect and trust them, and who knows better what is going on, the players or the fans?

This is the fifth youngest defense in the league, and it was riddled with key injuries and short of key talent. Mora isn't the man to be blaming.

That is my opinion...thanks for hearing me out.

Subject: Still on QBs???


Author:
Uncle Kevin
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Date Posted: 15:42:30 01/04/03 Sat

TANK

Warner really has fallen off the charts, hasn't he? I didn't mention his name because of the injuries and the uncertainty of his future.

Buddy

On pure physical talent I'd say Collins is way ahead of Garcia.

BUT he has these wierd---burps--- fits of incompetance. I never have any clue which Collins I'll be looking at when I go to watch one of his games.

When he's on...he's great. When he's not, he's Tony Banks.

I think we've got some very favorable match-ups against the Giants offense this week.

Peterson/Parrish/Bronson on Shockey

Plummer on Toomer

And our Run defense vs. Barber.

But we absolutely have to get pressure on Collins.

Leave him alone in the pocket and he'll cut us up.

Get in his face often enough...and he'll go south.

As for our offense vs. their defense...We'd better be able to run the ball.

I was very impressed with the way the Giants approached dealing with Garcia and Owens in September.

The plan, in the first game, seemed to be to contain Garcia. To keep him in the pocket and force him to win the game with his arm rather than his feet.

Strahan bemoaned the one time early in that game when he lost contain and went for the sack. Garcia burned him for a 16 yard run. After that he maintained his discipline, minded his lane, and made life very difficult for the Niner offense.

And I was very impressed with the way Will Allen played Owens. He didn't try to arm tackle or bang heads with the bigger stronger Owens. He went back to the old ankle tackles and frustrated the hell out of him.

I think that'll be the most interesting match-up to watch tomorrow.

Subject: Life in Raider Country


Author:
Uncle Kevin
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Date Posted: 15:54:22 01/04/03 Sat

Win

Did you know that Al Davis invented the West Coast Offense?

Did you know that Al Davis saved Bill Walsh's life when he pulled him out of the gutter, gave him a job as an assistant coach, and taught him everything he knows about football?

Did you know that Al Davis rescued the 49er franchise when he went to Eddie D. and told him that he absolutely had to hire Walsh to be his new Head Coach?

Did you know that Jerry Rice really always wanted to be a Raider and that he considers this to be the greatest and most fulfilling period of his career? And that he intends to go into the hall of fame wearing his Raider uniform?

Did you know that Charlie Garner only went to the Niners as an audition for a job with the Raiders? And that now that he's a Raider...he's good?

It was petty, I know...but somehow I felt justified when I brought my VCR and the tape of this year's Niner/Raider game to work, and plugged the sound into the stereo system so that everyone could listen.

I played portions of that tape everyday for three days...until the revolt.

Subject: NinerBill


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TIM
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Date Posted: 17:06:32 01/04/03 Sat

We were 7th in defense when Bronson and Winborn went down.It was early in the year and who knows if we could have remained that high but we were much better then.I hope Bronson can step right in and start out where he left off!

START FAST AND FINISH ALL 4 QUARTERS !!! GO NINERS !!!!!!!!!
TIM

Subject: UK


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TIM
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Date Posted: 17:10:24 01/04/03 Sat

UK: Your my new hero! Now if I can figure a way to hook up my vcr to the intercom system at my job... TIM

Subject: Concerns Highlighted in Today's Paper


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greg
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Date Posted: 18:06:10 01/04/03 Sat

I have been enjoying the TANK-Trevor offensive line debate, so I found a statistic of interest in today's paper. An Associated Press article on Scott Gragg notes that the 49ers averaged 5.3 yards a carry to the right, behind Gragg and Stone. The Niners only averaged 4.2 yards per carry when they run to the left or middle. It suggests that the left side isn't as dominant as the right.

Plausible explanation(s): Running backs usually prefer to run to their right. Garcia likes to roll out to his right. Tight ends often help out on the right side.

Counter argument: The left side of a defensive line is usually bigger and the LDE is a run stopper, while the right side struggles with a smaller DE who rushes the QB's blind side...so it should be easier to run to the left, especially with a tight end and Beasley picking linebackers off.

Despite all the applause Heitmann got from John Madden, he may be the problem. Fortunately, I think Dave Fiore is better than Heitmann, so the LG position improves next year. And, Newberry's hand will be out of a cast in 2003. But, I still am disturbed that the left side averages more than a yard less per rush than on the right side.

Gragg was honored with the McKittrick Award by Mariucci and Pat Morris. That speaks volumes for me.

Another article explained that Kerry Collins is as big as Andre Carter! That means he is bigger than Chike Okeafor! It will be interesting to see if Okeafor can bring Kerry down, or if Collins just slips out of Chike's grasp, or lets him hang on like a clod of mud and grass.

Plummer on Toomer? I don't neccessarily think this match up is a gimme for the Niners. Plummer is our best, but he is susceptible.

I want to see Barlow have a big day. I know there are lots of Hearst fans. We all admire his courage. But, he has worn down. I know he picks up the blitz, but Barlow's time is now! He needs to be let loose. Other guys drafted in the past two years are already carrying their teams, like LaDanian Tomlinson, Clinton Portis, William Green, Anthony Thomas, Travis Henry, Marcel Shipp, Deuce McAllister, Michael Bennett, etc. Move over Garrison and rest your weary legs...

Look for Terrell Owens to run a couple reverses, and watch Eric Johnson go deep.

Subject: 9ers


Author:
Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 00:44:24 01/05/03 Sun


RageFX - Palmer looks good I agree... any knowledge on his academic career?

2wins - thank you. Hope you are right about the emotion... the same could have been said about the Jets though...

Ninerbill - interesting observations.

Teller - Strong was actually de-activated from the reg roster due to injury, but I see your point... maybe add John Keith to the list.

UK - you are right about the points on the game.. don't forget about our OL though....

greg- sure... but when I write an entire article on where the 49ers run... no one notices :) don't you find it odd that despite the much better average to the right side, and the middle for that matter, the 49ers rush left more than any other direction?

Don't forget about Beasley down field over the middle either...


Subject: Saturday Night Wild Card Wrap-up


Author:
greg
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Date Posted: 00:45:43 01/05/03 Sun

NYJETS: Could they be the 2002-03 version of the New England Patriots? Chad Pennington is the real deal. the past two weeks have been huge, do-or-die games, and he takes them in "Montana-like" stide. Peyton Manning looks awful...

GREEN BAY: Green with envy...Vick is a stud! I knew the Pack was beatable, but they got played like a drum! What do you think the fans are saying about Mike Sherman up in the frozen tundra? He wasn't out coached...he just forgot how to coach. What was he thinking? He has four downs at the one, and he runs wide twice (and calls two pass plays, which I can't argue with)...against a 3-4 defense! Pull out your red flag! Get your head in the game!

Interesting Stat:

Terrell Owens - 100 receptions, 1,300 yards.
Armani Toomer - 82 receptions, 1,342 yards.

These Saturday games weren't even close. Does that mean the 49ers win a blow out?

Please Jeff...keep the mistakes to a minimum.

Please Terrell, don't drop or deflect the ball.

Please o-line...don't put us in a hole with a 5-10 yard penalty.

Remember Greg Knapp, if the 49ers lose, your contract expires at midnight and you are unemployed Monday morning.

GOOOOOOOO!!!!! NINERS!!!!!!

(I am so pumped...I think I need to take a Tylenol PM to get to sleep tonight)

Subject: Giant Eliminators


Author:
Sydney From Syd's Corner.
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Date Posted: 00:48:50 01/05/03 Sun

We are finally here folks at a crossroads that we have all been waiting for in an up and down season that has led us to being champions in the National Football Conference’s Western Division. This is where are all the marbles are laid out for playing, we will host the New York Giants an opponent that we barely beat in Week One of the regular season.
Unfortunately for us they have reached this plateau and they will want revenge from that battle. They have a lot to contend with in great defensive ends in Michael Strahan and Kenny Holmes who has improved his play on a weekly basis. Protection will be key to Jeff Garcia getting the ball downfield. We will need a dominant day by our talented and resourceful offensive line to win this game.
Bold statements have been made by our center in Jeremy Newberry, I didn’t expect anything less of him in this matter after meeting him in the parking lot outside Candlestick Park and inside the players parking lot soon after. He is a man that is full of confidence and team spirit; he rises to almost any occasion and motivates those around him with his incredible toughness. I have great respect for this athlete and hope that his brash statements about kicking some Giant butt will hold true in this contest.
On offense the Giants pack a wallop in running back Tiki Barber who has close to 1400 total yards in rushing and is averaging 4.6-yards per carry an impressive trait to have and one we will have to deter. I am confident that our run defense will rise to the challenge as it has with many well-versed running backs that we have faced. I know that we can checkmate the running game, which they will use often, it is the passing game that will be their ace in the hole.
In rookie extraordinaire Jeremy Shockey they have a playmaker he has already caught 74 total passes for 894 total yards averaging 12.1-yards a reception. These are statistics that some proven veterans even struggle to obtain on a season by season basis. He is incredible in durability and can take a pounding. I am happy to announce though that we have the neutralizer all ready for him in linebacker Julian Peterson, he will be the main weapon against this weapon.
Wide receiver Amani Toomer is also someone to beware of as with his slimed down physique he has great burst of speed and is very elusive in the open field. He has close to 1400 total yards in receiving and is averaging 16.4-yards per reception. He will test a secondary that will be minus Jason Webster and have rookie Mike Rumph there in his absence. Expect Kerry Collins to throw to his side heavy and often, Rumph will have to be on his game like never before. Fortunately we have the services of Zack Bronson and Ronnie Heard in the mixture; they must lend assistance where they can.
We need great play calling something that has been debatable by many 49er fans, many blaming Greg Knapp others blaming Steve Mariucci for not interjecting enough and taking over more of those services. I hope that he will monitor the calls closely and be more involved, I am not one to really know if Knapp is truly doing a horrific job. But I do know that we need to make more calculated risks and be a lot more aggressive rather we can or not is up to Mariucci.
I also know the best way for us to get to Collins and throw him into a whirlwind is to bring lots of heat courtesy a great pass rush by our defense. The Giants are known for good solid line protection, as Collins tends to be the pocket passer type quarterback. This poses all the more reason to rattle his cage and force him outside; here again aggressive plays will be vital to our success.
Jim Mora will have a great game plan and he will move a lot of players in and out, I have no gripes with Mora as he has made marked improvement as a whole on this defense over the past four weeks. This game has so much at stake folks I am so happy just to be in the playoffs and I hope all of you feel the same way. You can never be unhappy when your beloved team that you follow all year long makes it to the elite level.
Playoffs are where it’s all at and I pray to God that we can obtain a good old-fashioned thrashing of the New York Giants. A balanced game of run and pass will be an acceptable nature with this team, we will prevail with all our hopes and prayers. I want to personally thank each and every one of you for joining me on this great ride and may it not

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