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Subject: trade

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Date Posted: 20:15:11 01/13/03 Mon

Trade MOOCH to the bengals for the First pick in the draft and call Dennis Green.

Subject: Where do we go from here?

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Date Posted: 20:31:30 01/13/03 Mon

Jeff Garcia: Can he take us to the Super Bowl? Not with the current talent. He needs to be surrounded by better receivers. He isn't a Steve McNair caliber quarterback who can make Drew Bennett look like a super star. However, surround Garcia with Owens and a "Rice-like" receiver and we have seen what he can do.

Anyone who thinks Garcia and the offense are capable of playing week in and week out like they did in the final 20 minutes of the Giants game is fooling themselves. That was an abberation. When they went to it yesterday, most of you didn't even recognize it. That is how ugly Garcia Ball was against the Buccaneers.

Mariucci: Force him to dump Greg Knapp and Bruce DeHaven. Never release him from his contract unless someone is willing to give up a first and two seconds for him. That means start negotiating an extension.

Pass Defense: Donahue needs to find a corner that is better than Webster and Rumph. I think Marcus Trufant is. I like him at the end of the first round.

Defensive line: Carter, Young and Shaw are the only guys who are guaranteed a locker next year. I would look at moving Young out to LDE to increase his impact, reduce the wear and tear on his body and extend his career.

Offensive line: Sign a free agent or two for the left side. Eric Heitmann isn't the answer.

I know the defense needs to be improved. Either this team shuts down the Rams, Eagles and Bucs in 2003, or we need to outscore them. But, this offense which scored 3 or more TD's per game 12 times in 2001, only did it 6 times this year. Mariucci/Garcia's offense scored 17 or less 7 times this season (before yesterday)...and they only did it three times in 2001. The offense has been throttled!

So, as much as Donahue needs to find the talent to rush the passer and defend the pass, he also needs to infuse the offense with some talent. It has been neglected for FOUR YEARS! That is ridiculous. Even when Walsh was rebuilding the defense with the 1981 draft, he still invested in the offense. In fact, you can say he did that first (drafting James Owens, Joe Montana, Dwight Clark in '79; Earl Cooper in the first round in '80, and Bubba Paris, plus acouple RBs in 1982). To only have Kevan Barlow on offense to show for four years of drafts is reckless.

Subject: A few comments

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Date Posted: 21:40:44 01/13/03 Mon

Like Tank said I can't believe Barlow wasn't featured more. Resigning Hearst was a disappointment in the offseason but I looked at it like an insurance policy. We need more Barlow!

Like Rage said Jake Plummer is a free agent for a reason. He's not that good of a player. Just watch a few games and you'll know what I mean.

Our special teams - coverage has been poor but I actually liked what I saw of Vinny yesterday. He did fumble the ball but he had some nice returns. Given the ACL injury to Williams I'd like to see no neck joe come back (Vinny). I think Bruce DeHaven is a fine special teams coach. Just as long as we have decent coverage players who can stick to lanes and make tackles!

Marcus Trufant - I'm an unofficial WSU fan and I've liked him all year. However I don't think he's worth a first rounder. I don't see anything which leads me to believe he will flourish in the NFL. While watching him at WSU I noted that he has NFL talent but not Pro Bowl talent. I could be wrong but I'd draft him no sooner than the 2nd round. Given that we currently own the #26 pick I suppose it's basically the same thing.

Cincinatti's #1 pick for Mooch??? Hah I doubt it. Even Cincinatti isn't that foolish. Besides why on earth would Mooch choose to go to Cincinatti? He's not a player that we can just trade. Remember he has to agree to go!

Subject: it could happen

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Date Posted: 22:22:40 01/13/03 Mon

I recommend TANK for our new head coach! He knows it all !!!The rest of us are idiots(just ask him).Seriously,I really believe he would be no worse than Mooch(my grandma would be no worse and shes dead,at least she couldn't screw it up).If York really wants to save money he can just go without a head coach and nobody would notice the difference until it was time for a press conference.Face it,when it comes to coaching football Mooch is an empty suit. Send in your resume TANK,it pays really good! TIM

Subject: MOOCH

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Date Posted: 00:02:43 01/14/03 Tue

if he doesn't agree to go FIRE him!

Subject: Couldn't have said it better TIM

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Date Posted: 02:30:23 01/14/03 Tue

I couldn't agree more. At least if Tank was the coach, then maybe we wouldn't get lectured so much by him!

Subject: Sapp

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Date Posted: 02:53:18 01/14/03 Tue

The media hype Sapp as all everything, but in Sunday's "game" Rookie Left Guard Eric Heitmann did a nice job on him. The NFL Gamebook credited Sapp with a .5 tackle, which was a shared .5 sack. Not too bad for a seventh round pick. I was also impressed over the season with tackle Kyle Kosier, another 7th rounder. Bye see ya mid-April for the draft. T

Subject: garcia is a fake

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Date Posted: 04:16:18 01/14/03 Tue

I think the biggest problem with the niners is we have a phoney playing qb. jeff garcia should pay half of T.O.'s salary because with terrell garcia would not even be in this league. he doesnt have the arm strength to throw the ball past 15 yards and that shortens the whole offense. which leads to 3rd downs. how often do you see the niners pick up a first down on first down unless terrell makes some db look like a child. untill we get a qb in there that is not affraid to take chances and has the arm strength to streath the defense out then we are gonna have to get used to the niners beating the bad teams losing to the good teams and be one and done in the playoffs.
Also the niners need to get a whole new coaching staff mooch is to conservative and mora jr. is worse than his daddy. I would love to see holmgren or even seifert back to coach the niners at least you know the players would respect them and would always be ready for game day.

Subject: 49ers will learn from this year and become better

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Date Posted: 05:33:33 01/14/03 Tue

Yes the niners need to make some changes. But so do many other good teams in the NFL. Let's face it. There isn't much difference between the niners and ANY team in the NFL. When you create a ton of turnovers, lose starters to injury, and the opposing team's average starting position is their own 40 yard line, the BENGALS could have won the niners on Sunday.

However, I do believe the niners have to address a couple of glaring problems. They need to do something about their special teams (probably hire a new coach), and they desperately need a pass rush. When healthy, the niner's 2 starting corners can hold their own. But, they can't keep chasing people all over the field while the quarterback has all the time in the world. I love Bryant Young, but I think Stubblefield had a better year than he did this year. I can't believe Young made it to the pro bowl. I hope he just had a down year. What the niners need is to beef up their defensive line with some young studs. Their biggest need is another defensive end. Even though the niners didn't produce much of a pass rush this year, they were pretty solid against the run. Yet, due to age, they still need to address the interior area of the defensive line. Shaw looks good, but they need more.

I do not feel the niners should move up high in the draft. If you look at past drafts, latter first round draft picks seem to pay off as much as the earlier ones. Try taking a look and you'll find out.

As far as coaching is concerned, I have a lot of respect for Jimmy Johnson. We he says that there is no coach available that is as good as Mariucci, that reallys says something. Yes, he calls too many running plays at times, but his offenses are always ranked in the top 5. Maybe the fact that he's too nice of a guy hurts him. I think he needed to deal with special teams last year, and completely ignored it. DeHaven definetely has many years of experience, but he was fired from Buffalo because his special teams unit was horrible. Why not someone new.

As far as Donahue, I think he did a decent job with the draft. Rumph looks lost on the field, but so did Plummer and Webster their first year. There are only a few Charles Woodsons around who can enter the NFL and dominate his first year. Rasheed looked good when he had opportunities. At first, I did not agree with the rest of the picks, but Heitman turned out to be a steal, Shaw looked great in the few chances he had to play, that safety they got in the 4th round looked solid before going down to injury, and I think that rookie kicker is going to be alright. He was good in college and a pretty good bargain in the 4th round (where most kickers go).

Don't feel bad fellow niner fans. We have the best talent evaluater in history with Bill Walsh. Donahue is a Hall of Fame college coach and Marriuci one of the best coaches in the league. With another good draft(please don't draft another linebacker early this year), a rebuilt special teams squad, and the young group of players we've got I'm very optimistic about our niners.

Subject: thoughts

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Date Posted: 10:51:27 01/14/03 Tue

Marcus- My friend if Garcia is fake, then you're a joke!
Nobody complained about Young's arm and it wasn't any stronger then Garcia's. Marcus have you ever seen a CFL field? My guess is probably not. To put into prospective for you it like the NFL field compared to a Arena League field. So if Garcia can throw an out in the CFL (which is about 30-40 yards) I think he can do it in the NFL.

Tank- looks like everyone is on your case, but honestly I think you'd do a great job as head coach. Do you need and offensive co-ordinator?

I'm not sure who it was but last week someone said bring Ray Rhodes back. I saw he was available, also heard that he might go to Seattle.

Does anyone think we could switch to a 3-4 next season? Might be something to think about. I think our LB's are a strength. It would also allow us to move Ulbrich inside, and give him some protection as well as being able to utilize Peterson as a pass rusher more. This might also help the secondary with pass coverage? Just a thought.

Go Niners

Subject: Barlow

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Date Posted: 12:10:02 01/14/03 Tue

Second and goal at the Buc three-yard line, first quarter. Hand off to Barlow. He skitters up to the line, STOPS COLD for two seconds and by the time he's figured out he should be sweeping wide right he's tackled. Cut to Mariucci on the sideline, who can be seen mouthing the words "F##king Kevan Barlow" into his mouthpiece.

Right there, I knew there had to be reasons we weren't privy to that explained why we saw so little of Barlow in these two playoff games.

BTW, some of you all should simply shut up for a while.

Subject: The San Francisco Bengals?

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Date Posted: 13:02:05 01/14/03 Tue

I remember reading about how proud York was that the 49ers finally had a budget. Well below is an interesting note from profootball weekly....

Picking up where we left off in this space last week regarding the status of head coach Steve Mariucci, there is one other very important factor we neglected to mention that will determine his future other than the size of the contract the Niners offer him. We hear Mariucci is also very concerned about the direction the team will be taking under owner John York, who hasnt provided much of an insight along those lines except to stress how budget-conscious he is. We hear Mariucci will want to know what resources he will have at his disposal. Interestingly, eight of Mariuccis assistants, including offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, could leave when their contracts expire in less than a month. York said all eight assistants were offered extensions last year, and we hear most of them rejected the offers because there were few or no provisions for pay raises.

Wow. I know we've been whining about Mooch not being Walsh and Garcia not being Montana. What about York not being Eddie D???

I guess this answer's TANK'S question about why we saved all that cap space money last season!!!

Subject: 3-4

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Date Posted: 14:29:32 01/14/03 Tue

Yes! I feel we could go to the 3-4 defense.
mostly because of who we have,
and having Peterson and Carter both coming at QB!!

6 or more good LB's

and only 2 or or 3 DL's
Young,Carter and Shaw
the others>> Stubby,Moran,Flannigan,Okeafor and Engleberger,
Did little to impress this season,,,DL needs major work,
First round wish list>> Kennedy,Suggs,Wilfolk,Mcdougle

picking up one top notch CB would be good,,Intested to see if A.Parker can help us out next year,he is very talented,but very injury prone

Subject: Sports Talk Radio

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Date Posted: 14:49:52 01/14/03 Tue

Artie Gigantino told his audience on SportsTalk 1140 AM (Sacramento, CA) that Mariucci will be back because Denise DeBartolo York absolutely loves him. He also said he wished that Mariucci would sack up and demand a $4MM/year extension because he has earned it. In other words, Mooch needs to play hardball and regain respect in the organization. He needs to re-establish himself.

Larry Kruger told his audience on KNBR 680 AM (San Francisco, CA) that Mike Rumph is a first round mistake by Terry Donahue. He argued that there was a reason 25 teams passed on him: he doesn't have the quickness for the NFL and won't ever develop it. He said he has looked at film (remember, Kruger was an Arizona Cardinals scout) and Rumph is beaten on every snap...not sometimes, or often, but every snap...because he has slow reflexes and doesn't move quickly. He said Rumph doesn't hit receivers at the line because he couldn't recover if they got past him. He said it isn't about Mora's scheme, or teaching Rumph technique. He simply doesn't have the speed and never will. He added that only three or four teams were even considering drafting him.

Kudos to JJ Boss for criticizing Rumph from the get go. You obviouslyknew what you were talking about.

I can see a scenario where after four consecutive Walsh/Donahue drafts, ONLY FOUR of their thirteen first day picks are starters in 2003: Plummer, Peterson, Carter and Winborn. Maybe as many as six, if Webster isn't improved upon and Barlow can catch up with his fellow classmates who are already making an impact in the league. That is not overly impressive when you stop to think that this team is rebuilding from scratch. Amazingly, Walsh/Donahue have identified almost as many (three) starters from the second day: Johnson, Streets and Heitmann. My confidence in Donahue isn't etched in stone.

I enjoy TANK's "lectures". His posts are thought provoking and informed, ranging from good to even brilliant. I have my own opinions, but I admit that I have learned a thing or two from him. He asks the tough questions and makes me think more than his critics ever have. Keep on doing what you do, TANK.

Subject: Tank

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Date Posted: 14:58:39 01/14/03 Tue

I know I may have come across that I dislike or disagree with Tank, and that is not the case. I don't mind (not that it mattered if I did) Tank and realize that he contributes to this forum whereas I choose not to post that much. It just seems that lately Tank's posts have taken a supercilious tone. No harm, no foul.

Subject: Get rid of Jeff Garcia - Why?

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Date Posted: 15:04:38 01/14/03 Tue

I haven't read the message boards much before the playoffs, but it shocks me how many of you want to get rid of Jeff Garcia.

Of the QB's in the playoffs how many are truly better than Jeff Garcia?

Brett Favre - Yes

Donovan McNabb - Yes

Rich Gannon - Yes

Steve McNair - Maybe, but Garcia isn't as injury prone as he is.

Michael Vick - Not yet. He still is an inconsistent passer.

Chad Pennington - Not yet. Garcia looked better against the Raiders than he did.

Peyton Manning - No, he's too mechanical and he has done any thing in the playoffs

Tommy Maddox - No

Tim Couch or Kelly Holcomb - No

Kerry Collins - No

Brad Johnson - No

And let's not even mention giving up Jeff Garcia for Jake Plummer or Brian Griese or how Cade McNown or Tim Rattay are just as good.

I know most of you expect every 49ers QB to perform like Joe Montana, but that isn't going to happen again. I had these same feelings towards Steve Young when he kept getting beat by Dallas in the championship game, but he eventually won a Super Bowl and I think if the 49ers can surround him with more talent, Jeff Garcia can do the same.

The fact is that we have a pretty damn good QB that has put up the some great numbers despite having only one consistent receiver.

Subject: An answer to my own question

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Date Posted: 15:10:55 01/14/03 Tue

I read in an article today that the Yorks are trying to buy out Eddie D. They're cash strapped and want to get one of his other ventures. This could be a reason why they've gone Bengals on us. Who knows though.

Subject: Fearyaks,Is York cheap or just playing?

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Date Posted: 16:03:40 01/14/03 Tue

Fearyaks: York has said they will spend ALL the cap allows on players! Maybe he didn't want to give increases to coaches that he is being told by Walsh and Donahue aren't doing a good job.Maybe they are trying to squeeze the head coach out by not respecting his assistant coaches and therefore not respecting him.We will see.If York offers Mooch a low ball contract and tells him to replace many assistant coaches and Mooch balks at the meddling with his staff and small pay raise and goes somewhere else then we will see who the replacements are and if York pays top dollar for the replacements.If he does then he was just playing cheap to help Mooch and his staff on their merry way but if he hires a new coach and staff on the cheap then we may be in trouble because then he may really be a cheap owner.But at least he has stated that he will pay top dollar for players. TIM

Subject: greg, about TANK

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Date Posted: 16:11:28 01/14/03 Tue

greg: I agree with you about TANKS thought provoking posts.I just thought he deserved to be given a little bit of a hard time for his recent tone of superiority.But if he quit posting I would really miss all the info and intelligent thought that he puts into his posts.I don't always agree with him but he usually gives me something to think about . TIM

Subject: TIM, he hasn't in the past!

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Date Posted: 16:13:29 01/14/03 Tue

Well one thing that's bothered me (and a few others) is that we had something like 3 million in excess cap space that wasn't used this season! I don't know about you but that money is worthless unless we used it to sign guys to extensions. We did that with a couple players and picked up some straggling vets here and there. I'd have still liked to see us pick up a DB somewhere along the line. Perhaps we were limited by roster size? Dunno.
The one thing I look at as a glimmer of hope is that we still signed Terry Jackson to a contract extension after he blew out his knee.

Subject: Ray Rhodes

Uncle Kevin
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Date Posted: 16:20:40 01/14/03 Tue

The rumor has been floated that Ray Rhodes, who resigned his job as Denver's DC on Jan. 11, will be going to Seattle.

That would be a shame.

First because he could very well be the solution to our defensive problems. (And boy do we have defensive problems)

And Second...because Seattle is in our division now. And a reunited team of Holmgren and Rhodes could very well shove the Niners prospects for future playoff appearances into the root cellar.

This is where I'd really like to see management get aggressive this off season.


Yes, Seattle has lots of money and will probably try to out bid us.


Yes, Denver still owns Rhodes's contract and could try to throw a monkey wrench into the works.


Simply signing Rhodes would go a long way toward turning what we laughingly call our "Defense" into a unit that would give other teams pause.

And in doing so...we'd damage the prostpects of a division opponant.

This is a win win, Terry.

Subject: Skip Bayless does it again!

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Date Posted: 16:27:19 01/14/03 Tue

I hate that I keep agreeing with Skip Bayless but he wrote in the San Jose Mercury today and I have to agree with everything he said about Mooch and York. Check it out at

http://spazioinwind.libero.it/sf49ers/sjm1401.html . TIM

Subject: TIM - You beat me to the punch!

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Date Posted: 17:08:28 01/14/03 Tue

TIM - I read the article earlier and thought about posting it here. It really is a shame that "SMOOCH" along with all his positive and admirable qualities, doesn't seem to be the right fit for the 49ers to go deep in the playoffs and win a Superbowl. He really is a likable guy and has been a positive role model for the 49ers organiziation. If he took over for Walsh like Seifert did or like Switzer for Johnson in Dallas with incredibly talented teams, he might manage to stay out of the way and let his players win, but it would have to be one hell of a team to compensate for our present coaching weaknesses.

I think it's a shame that so many 49er fans are willing to settle for so little. I am not content to have a winning record and make an occasional playoff appearance. I want the 49ers to be a dominant Superbowl contender. Better coaching would accelerate that into fruition!

Oh, ya, the "SMOOCH" was for Mariucci smooching up to Denise York as it's reported that she adore this fair haired boy!

I too am getting concerned about becoming the SF Bengals if our owners & top brass start getting cheap! Not good!

Subject: Bayless

Uncle Kevin
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Date Posted: 17:26:50 01/14/03 Tue

I think it's a shame so many Niner fans are so naive.

Skip Bayless is a columnist with a taste for fame and attention.

He got it when he worked in Dallas by attacking the Cowboys and by announcing to the world (and to Texas) that Troy Aikman was gay.

It didn't matter to Skip that Troy wasn't gay. It was just something to say that would get his column noticed...get him on ESPN.

Well, they got tired of Skippy's little act in Dallas...and he ended up at the San Jose Mercury News.

So what does a smart self promoter like Bayless do when he arrives in a new area? He went right to work bad mouthing someone. Claiming he had inside info. Claiming that he knew what was going on behind closed doors. Claiming that he knew what Walsh, and Donahue, and York were really thinking. What a load.

And why?

To sell newspapers! To get his name mentioned.

And for those of you who only read articles about the Niners...take a look at some of Skippy's other articles. His first move during the baseball season was to attack Dusty Baker. Then he went on to attack St. Jean at the Warriors (okay, no effort there) and he wrote more than a few zingers about the Sharks coaching staff.

That's what he does. It's all he does.

Had he come here in 1986 he would have been screaming for Walsh's head on a pike.

Subject: UK - you may be right, but the truth is still the truth.

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Date Posted: 18:22:09 01/14/03 Tue

UK - you may be right about Bayless, but I have to agree with him on this one. I'm not saying Mariucci is a bad coach but that he isn't a good coach. He is just like his philosopy, balanced, conservative, low-risk, tenative, so-so, ho-hum kind of a coach, and I think the 49ers could do better, especially if we could end up getting some compensation for Mariucci leaving. If that doesn't happen we'll have to play the hand we are dealt and hope to God that York, Donahue & Walsh open the floodgates with better and deeper talent, because if we've Mariucci, Mora & Garcia for a prolonged period of time, I am not sure if you could get them enough help to get them over the hump any time soon.

Subject: Right on Uncle Kevin!

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Date Posted: 18:31:10 01/14/03 Tue

Uncle Kevin don't forget he was kicked off the tv program The Sports Reporters, As well as ran out of town in Chicago...His act is tired and whiny, ever since he got to the SJMerc he has been blasting The Niners. It won't be long before he's ran out of San Jose.....

Subject: stop

Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 18:52:18 01/14/03 Tue

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Subject: I too hate Skip Bayless

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Date Posted: 18:52:54 01/14/03 Tue

The guy is a shameless self-promoter. Ugh why is it that people point to fish wrap columnists who have no crediblility to try and prove their points. Either you like him or you don't but remember that Mooch is still the 49er coach. And Garcia is still the 49er QB.

I really just don't get it. Why are people so eager to dump Mooch when coaches like Walsh and Seifert definately had poor performing teams with superior talent?

And why are some people so eager to dump on Garcia when he proved that he was a winner against the Giants? Geez, I'm glad I was overseas for the early 90's. I'd have blown a gasket hearing people complain about Young the same way!!! Come on people!!! How many big games did Young win? 1 Superbowl and a few playoffs? Fine. But how many did he lose against the Packers and the Cowboys?

Get over it! If Dilfer and Brady can win Super Bowls surely the 49ers can with Garcia at the helm. We just need to upgrade our defense and our offensive line! News flash!!! We have one playmaker on the D-line (Carter), one playmaker as a linebacker (Peterson) and a handful of good (not great) players in the secondary (Bronson, Plummer and Parrish). I see no dominating player back there....

We'll see what happens in the next few weeks I suppose.

Subject: Friends & Foes...

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Date Posted: 21:53:13 01/14/03 Tue

I appreciate the kind words and the poignant criticism, but I don't really give a damn. I am a die hard 49ers fan and I speak my mind. I admit that am not qualified to coach junior high school football, but that makes us even. I try to honestly appraise the Niners, not allow bias to cloud my judgment and always explore ways to improve the team (in my mind, if not on paper). I don't apologize for anything I have said.

Hey, we don't have to be best friends...we just have to be civil and respect eachother.

Let me start with the "Bengalization" of the 49ers. Fearyaks voiced this concern earlier today, but TIM responded that John York said he "will spend ALL the cap allows on players." It appears that TIM trusts York at his word, and ignores the fact that York did NOT spend ALL the cap allows this past season.

FACT: The 49ers were $3MM under the salary cap when the season began. Some players negotiated extensions over the course of the season, but that affected the 2002 cap very little...less than $1MM.

How does the saying go? "Actions speak louder than words..."

Fearyaks writes: "York said all eight assistants were offered extensions last year, and we hear most of them rejected the offers because there were few or no provisions for pay raises."

GEE! These assistants bust ass and turn a young 6-10 team into a 12-4 surprise playoff team that no one expected, and York doesn't think a raise is in order?

These aren't tea leaves. You don't have to be clarvoyant to see whats going on. Don't hold your breath waiting for a coach the caliber of Ray Rhodes being hired as the 49ers new coordinator. York is clearly a coupon clipping, KMart shopper in the world of Neiman-Marcus owners.

This much is clear:

1. York isn't going to dump Mariucci and pay him the $2.2MM he is owed for 2003 AND pay another head coach $1.5MM.

2. York isn't going to pay Mariucci's successor any more than the $2MM he is currently paying Mooch, so take Holmgren, Seifert, Shanahan, Gruden, etc., off your head coach wish list.

3. Terrell Owens' signing bonus is going to be like squeezing a drop of water out of a lump of coal. Expect fireworks and acrimony.

4. The 49ers will be sold before we ever see a new stadium in San Francisco.

Lets talk football and leave the personal stuff to another forum.

Subject: Gone

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Date Posted: 15:19:28 01/15/03 Wed

Just got the news that the Mooch is gone. Fired by York. The talk is that Dennis Green and Jim Mora Jr. are being considered for the coaching job.

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