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Subject: Crikey.


Author:
TrevortheGreat of Trevor's Corner
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Date Posted: 18:51:15 01/09/03 Thu
UK-

I gotta be wonder when you're going to be willing to budge and give Jeff Garcia credit for everything he's done in his NFL career. Given Sunday's events, hearing you once again rip Garcia just makes you sound like a broken record.

Lighten up on the guy for once, huh?
Subject: IM IN TAMPA


Author:
jay
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Date Posted: 19:16:39 01/09/03 Thu
Anybody out there know when they're flying in? And where are they staying? THANKS for the help! J GO NINERS!
Subject: Let's get it on!!!


Author:
NinerFaithful
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Date Posted: 20:04:20 01/09/03 Thu
Hey all,

Just wanted to let you know that I was over on TampaTrib.com checking out what was being said about Sundays game. A lot of their Jokester posters were saying that if Brad Johnson gets hot, they could be looking at 40 points for the Bucs...It was hilarious let me tell you, I will be suprised to see the Bucs score more than 21-24 points. If they do, it will be over for our boys in scarlet & gold. We will have to fight for every single point against their great D. That is all they are though, not much on the offensive side for them, if our D plays like the 4th Quarter of Sundays game it will be over for the Bucs. They are just not very explosive at all. I expect a fumble from Allstot (is that how you spell it? who really cares!) and at least one interception from the Rusty Johnson, who hasn't played in three weeks. Their receivers are big but slow, so our secondary should not have as big a problem with them as they did with Toomer and Shockey. Their running game is non-existant but we have to make sure to keep it that way, get out to an early lead (a 10 point early lead would be awesome) and force them to play catch up. We also have to go to our running game early & often or else Garcia is going to get killed. We don't have to be very successful running the ball, we just have to be willing to run it so the pass rush cannot tee off on Jeff.
GO NINERS!!! All the way to San Diego BABY!!!

Always Faithful!!!
Subject: What Will It take To Beat Tampa?


Author:
TANK
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Date Posted: 20:21:24 01/09/03 Thu
Not many gave the 49ers a chance to beat the NY Giants. Fewer are giving the 49ers a chance to defeat Jon Gruden's Buccaneers. My humble thoughts on the game:

1. If the 49ers' offensive line is dominated, they lose in a route. I doubt that sentiment surprises any of you. But, maybe it would surprise you if I said that I don't think Warren Sapp and Simeon Rice are going to control the line. Football is all about matchups, and I like our matchups in this game. Sapp will line up opposite Ron Stone most of the time, with Anthony McFarland working Eric Heitmann. It is the later match up that concerns me because I think a proven vet like Stone, with a little help from Newberry and Beasley, can effectively neutralize Sapp enogh to let Garcia do some damage. McFarland poses the biggest threat, so I hope Newberry lends a watchful eye in Heitmann's direction. He will need the help (I would even consider starting Willig, instead). I know I have voiced plenty of angst over Derrick Deese, but Simeon Rice is precisely the kind of end that he excells against. On the other side, if Scott Gragg can handle Strahan, he should be able to handle Wyms and/or Jones. If Stone or Deese are limited by their sprained ankles, this line battle will get ugly and Garcia will be carried out on a stretcher.

The matchup that concerns me the most is Derrick Brooks. Fortunately, the Bucs don't blitz alot. I think the blitz is the most disruptive scheme against Garcia and our running game. If Tampa choses to blitz, our card house will come tumbling down. If not, I don't see Hearst doing much between the tackles, and I know he won't do much trying to get outside. Watch for Barlow to be used more as a receiver.

The rest of the offense matchs up well against the Bucs. Owens matches up against anyone not named Aeneas, and Streets/Johnson will keep the chains moving. Stokes? His head isn't in it anymore. Did anyone else notice that he didn't go for the ball or move to break up passes that the Giants' DB's were in position to INT last week? Stokes has already checked out.

The 49ers defensive line versus the Bucs o-line...I don't like this matchup. We won't get dominated, but we won't control the line either. I don't Carter and Okeafor making an impact. Bryant Young and Dana Stubblefield will need to drink from Ponce De Leon's mythic fountain of youth while they are in Florida. I expect them to just hold their own. Our linebackers matchup well, so I expect them to blitz and provide that extra heat on Brad Johnson. All in all, I think the front seven will do their job.

It is the defensive backs that worry me. If Ahmed Plummer struggled with Armani Toomer, he will be eaten alive by Keyshawn Johnson. Walker/Jurevicius can easily work Rumph or an undersized Webster. Bronson and Parrish will need to be at their best.

Which reminds me, I hope Parrish beat the Bucs twice last year. I hope he shares the secret with our coaches.

The worst matchup is special teams. Man, we suck.

And, finally, I think the coaching is the most interesting matchup. Mariucci is coaching for his job...Gruden is set. Gruden is intense...Mariucci is desperate.

Gruden is conservative (look at the Raiders offense since he left). Brad Johnson is rusty. The Bucs are rested and otherwise healthy. The Niners are held together by ace bandages and kept in the game by pain killers and heart.

The 49ers need to score 24 or more points to win. Their offense has had trouble all season getting past 17 points. If they need to score any more than that, it will have to come from the defense or special teams. They had plenty of Luck last week. It is hard to imagine they can rely on that again this week. If they win, it will be because their lines matched up and weren't controlled.
Subject: Reality check


Author:
Uncle Kevin
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Date Posted: 20:40:32 01/09/03 Thu
Anthony

Re: resigning Charlie Garner. As you know...I was/am a huge Garner fan. But it's not like the Niners didn't want to resign him.

After putting up fantastic numbers with the Niners Charlie was looking for a pay day. Remember, he was looking for a 4 million dollar contract after his second year with us.

The Niners couldn't afford it at that time...and he knew it.

Darndest thing though. He just didn't get any offers at the price he was asking...and ended up signing late with the Raiders for less than the Niners had originally offered.

It was a shame the way it worked out... but it's not like the Niners kicked him out.

TANK

While I'll never say Walsh has been faultless...you've used Stenstrom's name twice, that I've noticed, when tryng to show that even Walsh made boneheaded mistakes.

Here's the thing though.

While Stenstrom didn't work out, the reasons for bringing him in made perfect sense.

Aside from the fact that Stenstrom fell just two TD passes short of John Elway's all time Pac 10 TD record (75) Stenstrom knew the system.

And that's the key. After spending time as Walsh's QB as Stanford, Stenstrom knew the system, the calls and the terminology. And of the few QBs that actually knew the system...Stenstrom was the least expensive.

He, like Garcia, was brought in as a possible back-up for Steve Young. And while Stenstrom's slow feet made him less than effective...Garcia's lack of background in the Niner offense made him darned near as ineffective as Stenstrom had been.

As for Carmazzi and Druckenmiller...What can I say?

Walsh was complaining about the Druck pick and saying they should have drafted Plummer before either QB had even gone to a mini camp. Did Vinny/Dwight/Carmen screw up? Did they outsmart themselves? Or did Walsh set them up to make them look bad?

And as for Gio...that's the pick Marty takes credit for. And he even came out in the first training camp and publicly said that he thought he'd made a mistake.

Walsh is the guy who in the 7th round traded up to get Rattay in that same draft. (I don't think he would have done that if he had had much faith in Carmazzi.)

Trev

Maybe a crash course in phonics? I understand they do wonders for problem readers.
Subject: TANK - McFarland is on IR


Author:
fearyaks
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Date Posted: 21:23:21 01/09/03 Thu
To brighten up your day Booger was placed on IR around a month ago. Sapp will rotate DT sides going up against Stone and Heitmann. Don't know who's replacing McFarland though.
Subject: stats


Author:
jay
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Date Posted: 21:43:40 01/09/03 Thu
This season The bucs have given up 100 yards or more receiving to 4 different receivers.Plaxico,Holt,Joe Horn (twice) & 3 out of the 4 times were Buc LOSSES! Throw it to OWENS!
Subject: 49ers vs. Bucs


Author:
Cory
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Date Posted: 22:52:50 01/09/03 Thu
The 49ers D-line may be able to get pressure on Brad Johnson. The Bucs O-line hasn't played well all season and Brad Johnson is not exactly the most mobile QB in the league. I also think the 49ers can blitz Julian Peterson more than they were able to against the Giants.

I think they 49ers defense can slowdown the Bucs offense. The Bucs don't have any gamebreakers. Mike Alstott and Michael Pittman haven't run the ball well, they don't have a big threat at TE and Keyshawn Johnson and Keenan McCardell are good possession receivers, but the don't have breakaway speed.

The 49ers offense will have trouble with the Bucs defense, but I don't think they will have to score alot of points to win the game. Tai Streets and Eric Johnson will have to play like they did last week and take some coverage off T.O. Unlike what the media thinks, I think the 49ers can have success running the ball, but they have to attack them between the tackles because the Bucs are too fast and can shutdown all the running plays to the outside.

Overall I think that if the 49ers can score over 20 points they will have a very good shot at advancing to the NFC Championship.
Subject: Uncle Kevin & Bryan


Author:
TANK
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Date Posted: 22:57:42 01/09/03 Thu
I am sure Walsh has his reasons for Stenstrom. But, that just illustrates my point...even with the knowledge of the WCO, Stenstrom didn't have it. It is not enough to say the quarterback is familiar with Walsh's offense and acquired by Walsh. Not everyone Walsh tabs is neccessarily the QBOTF.

You credit Cerrato and Clark for selecting Drukenmiller, but I quotes from the organization the very next day said Walsh liked him. I recall hanging onto a SF Chronicle article from the weekend of that draft just because it had Walsh's comments on the QB class. I recall thinking it was odd for him to make these evaluations public if he worked for the 49ers. My mistake...he was not exclusive to the 49ers. Sure, he compared Jake Plummer to Joe Montana (as he had Rick Mirer), but Walsh gave his seal of approval on Drukenmiller, too.

Again, depending on who you believe, Walsh had to be convinced to draft Montana. He was more inclined to go with Steve Dils...his quarterback at Stanford. Sound familiar?

FYI: An insider told me that Carmazzi was Mornhiweg and Knapp's selection. Knapp was a coach at CSU, Sacramento when Carmazzi was playing at nearby Jesuit High. Walsh really preffered Chad Pennington.

I know that Walsh is brilliant. I trust his opinion far more than anyone in the organization...particualrly when it comes to coaches, quarterbacks, receivers/tight ends, and linebackers. I am not trying to show that he is fallible ... I am trying to show that he is forced to make decisions based on the options at hand (limited cap space, poor draft class, more pressing needs on defense, etc.), even if they are capable of only 80% of what is needed and not 100% what he wants.

I think Walsh was probably correct when he projected Garcia as a backup. That is not to say that backups can't do incredible things, like Garcia last Sunday. Koy Detmer, AJ Feeley, Marc Bulger, Mark Maddox and Kelly Holcomb are an example of backups who did great things throughout the season. These are late draft picks and UDFA who toil like Garcia did in the CFL, and not much is expected out of them. And, for a shining moment, maybe an entire season, they dazzle fans. But, their extremely high orbit begins to level off and they return to their originally projected trajectory unless they are held aloft by a superior supporting cast (which could happen for Bulger in St. Louis).

Tim Rattay is another one of these guys.

I am not talking about "backups" like Chad Pennington, who was behind Testeverde, or Steve Young, who was second string to Joe Montana. These guys were projected starters biding their time. Teams invested early draft picks in these guys.

I am talking about the marginal quarterback who is looking for an opportunity. I believe Bill Walsh can tell the difference. I believe his initial impression about Garcia was correct. I beginning to think that Garcia's upside is limited in the WCO...that after an initial stratospheric streak (4,200+ yards, 104 rating)...Garcia is returning to his original WCO projection because of his footwork (not his head or arm).

Yes, Bryan, a dominating offensive line that is strong enough to control the line of scrimage and establish passing lanes would help Garcia return to a higher WCO orbit. So would an impact #2WR. But I cannot look past the footwork and timing issue that Walsh stresses and Young remarked on in the Ira Miller column. Remember, rolling out and scrambling puts an enormous strain on the receivers and the entire offense breaks down ... it is survival mode. Oddly, this is where Garcia is most effective. It is almost like he creates the chaos to abandon the WCO which constrains him.

Walsh needs to secure the 100% WCO QB, or hire a offensive coordinator from the CFL who can harness Garcia's unique abilities. Unless that happens, we wil continue to be frustrated with this offense...it will sputter and bog down with three and outs. I don't care if Mike Shanahan or Bill Walsh himself is calling the plays.
Subject: fearyaks


Author:
Cory
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Date Posted: 23:01:40 01/09/03 Thu
Chartric Darby will be starting at the other DT spot.
Subject: OL


Author:
Julie B.
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Date Posted: 23:31:57 01/09/03 Thu
I hope Tique brings extra tape for all of the sprained ankles on the OL this week!!! (I'm starting my prayers early this week!!) ;)
Subject: 9ers


Author:
Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 23:44:54 01/09/03 Thu

TVG - maybe UK should take a look at the poll results from this week?

Jay - try giving the 49ers office a call it should be sometime friday.

Faithful - I'm with you my friend!

Tank - I agree about the OL and Brooks. He's the biggest weapon on that defense.

I noticed the Stokes INT, but I also noticed a key grab and out of bounds on the final drive.

I agree our safeties will have to have big games, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 9ers use an extra safety and one less LB or moving Parrish to an outside LB position and letting Heard/Keith into the lineup. This could allow us to blitz a little more.

Man I'd love to see Rumph return an INT for a TD.

UK - Garner also wanted to be more of a featured back.

Good point on Rattay.

fearyaks - thanks for the update.

jay - Amen!

Cory- good points. Thanks for the update.

Tank - I believe Druk could have succeeded in a place like Buffalo, New England or Miami - with of course good coaching.

Everything I heard pointed to Pennington too...I believe had he fell a couple more spots we would have drafted him instead.

I agree on the OL naturally, and the number two receiver. I can't look past the foot work either, but something tells me if he had time to throw he wouldn't be as quick to jump around.

Julie - I'm sure he will :)

Subject: Playoff road win


Author:
Domingo
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Date Posted: 01:50:42 01/10/03 Fri
Does anyone remember the last 49er playoff road win?

I cant recall. I have a big 49er history book that my wife bought me for xmas a few years back that surely has the info but she has hidden it away somewhere.

I want to say that we beat the Lions on the road back in the 80s but I am not certain.

Anyone?
Subject: TAG


Author:
Sean
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Date Posted: 02:11:32 01/10/03 Fri
You know I am getting a little peed off with the whining from the press, and most of all, the NFL Commissioner regarding the so called botched play at the end of the game (missed pass interference).

Maybe I have a rather perverted logic, but the way I look at it, if the NFL want a rule change they should state:

Pass Interferance should not be called on any player If an illegal receiver is down field.

An illegal receiver down field makes it impossible for the D to do their job properly for even if it doesn't take another player away from doing his job, it is at least a distraction.

I somehow get the feeling if the roles were reversed, sure we would still be upset, but this would have been the rationalization from the head office.

Sure hope our OL is recovered enough this week to allow us to run the ball effectively. As much as I loved the Garcia ball last sunday, I can't see it being as equally effective this week. Anyway it now gives the TB D even more to work on this week.

Garcia had an incredible game, a career game in fact, but if I was to give out the game ball it would have to be to Owens. As much as the guy can tick me off at times, it wasn't his half time speach that got the 9er's pumped up, it was his attitude after his 1st TD in the 3rd Q. He not only got the entire O to believe they can win, he convinced them that they are damn well going to win. I also give Kudos to Peterson. I think he helped spark the D to reach the levels of intensity that the Offense were rising to. Finally of course the fans certainly played their role too. In Tampa they won't have that fan support. The Giants game was won by HEART, and luck, the next game will have to be won by Heart, and discipline.
Subject: Last 49er road playoff win


Author:
16to80
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Date Posted: 02:17:53 01/10/03 Fri
I think it was 1988 vs. Chicago Bears 28-3 - a foggy, snowy day if I remember.
Subject: how could I forget


Author:
Domingo
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Date Posted: 11:13:22 01/10/03 Fri
Yes, our last road playoff win was in Chicago in the nfc championship game that was played, I believe, in Jan 1989.

How could I forget?

That was one of my favorite games. The wind was blowing so hard that kickoffs were only going about twenty yards, yet Joe Montana was still able to wing the ball pretty good.

That was a rare road playoff win for the 49ers. When was the last one before that game?
Subject: 9er License Plates


Author:
Julie B.
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Date Posted: 12:30:25 01/10/03 Fri
Apparently, a state senate bill has been presented which would allow a 49er license plate could be added to the choices for CA residents and their cars.... It is SB 49 (how ironic is that bill number?? LOL!!!) If I understood the article, it would only require 7,500 people signing up for the plates for it to be approved!!! (Or maybe after the bill is approved/voted on, then 7,500 people need to sign up for it prior to it being issued?)
Subject: 9ers


Author:
Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 12:56:27 01/10/03 Fri

more tid bits:
"They [the Bucs] once lost at least 10 games a year for 12 seasons in a row"

Funny... our record is nearly the exact opposite of this one...

Subject: Morning!


Author:
Win
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Date Posted: 13:05:19 01/10/03 Fri
Julie - Hi there! I have my 49ers calendar up next to my fridge and I love it. Thanks again. Speaking of neat Niner accessories like license plates, I noticed a first-day cover issue of a 49er stamp put out by the Post Office. I think it came out in September. Do you have one already? If not, I'd be happy to get one for you.

Anthony!!! - Hi mate! Yes, I think it was Easterbrook who nominated Schulters as his MVP. Good column, eh? ;-) Like he says, best cheesecake of any sports column in the land!

TANK - I loved your "cockroach" response post. Took that baby and ran with it like a pro! On your last post, however, you made good points but I don't think I can agree with you about Garcia's "tailing off" like a typical back-up. That 4200-yard, 32 TD effort came during a 6-10 season when the team was behind most of the time and we were in catch-up wing-it mode. Last season, to me, was Garcia's "stratospheric" season, when he put up those numbers for a 12-4 team, albeit against a fair number of patsy opponents. Although he didn't have a "great" year last season -- a distressingly inconsistent campaign indeed -- by this point I think he's done enough in the league for long enough to raise himself way beyond being categorized with the likes of Bulger or Feeley.

Kevin - There you go, ripping remedial reading again. For shame.
Subject: Media


Author:
NinerFaithful
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Date Posted: 13:07:02 01/10/03 Fri
I just want to say that I officially hate the media!!! Especially that fool Chris Collinsworth. What a bunch of windbags, you would think that after we proved everybody wrong last week that maybe somebody out there would give the Niners a chance on Sunday. The closest anybody has us is losing by 3, I don't really think the Bucs are going to score more than 20, so I want to give all the media out there the middle finger salute as my way of telling them they are #1. Go Niners!!! It feels good to get a win when everyone doubts the team doesn't it???? To me that's even better than being favored and winning big.
Final Score:
Niners 23
Bucs 17

Always Faithful!!!
Subject: Brad Johnson


Author:
16to80
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Date Posted: 13:24:02 01/10/03 Fri
I don't know if it matters but Brad Johnson's only playoff game was against Phil last year where he threw 4 interceptions and 0 touchdowns. So, everyone has hurdles to overcome.

Maybe an early interception may rattle him.
Subject: When Bucs lose turnover battle they LOSE !


Author:
TIM
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Date Posted: 14:09:53 01/10/03 Fri
I think it was Larry Kruger on KNBR that said that Tampa has the best turnover ratio in the NFL this year (+17)and that the only times they lost this year was when they lost the turnover battle in that game. He also said the Niners would probably win because they are one of the best teams in the league at taking care of the football !!! Don't turn the ball over and win !!! GO NINERS !!! TIM
Subject: turn the sound on the tv down and listen to the radio


Author:
TIM
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Date Posted: 14:15:58 01/10/03 Fri
Sad to hear that Collinsworth will be doing the game again this week.I can't believe that Fox doesn't have better announcers on their payroll than that sorry bunch that did last weeks game!They ALMOST ruined it for me. TIM
Subject: not no huddle vs WCO but no huddle+WCO


Author:
TIM
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Date Posted: 14:37:32 01/10/03 Fri
TANK: That WAS me.Too bad Ted was running up against the top of the hour because I had more to say but I think he was getting tired of the subject anyway by the time I started listening and then got on the air.Robinson is not a talk show host and is out of his element when not talking baseball! I much prefer Rick Barry or Larry Kruger!

I have to disagree with you about the no huddle. It doesn't matter which type of offense the team is running(wco,run and gun etc.etc.),a no huddle just means that they don't huddle up between plays to keep the defense from shuttling players in and out and to hurry up the tempo a bit. There is no conflict between the WCO and the no huddle.So I for one hope to see Mooch and Knapp pick their spots and run a no huddle offense more than a few times in every game right on through the SB! It seems to be the shot in the arm that the offense has been searching for all year!Of course they can't run it in all circumstances but especially when the Bucs have certain defensive personel in the game that the Niners think they can exploit they should signal Jeff to go into the no huddle to lock those defenders in the game and then ram it down their throat!!! TIM
Subject: I want the Mooch from 11 years ago,


Author:
TIM
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Date Posted: 15:02:46 01/10/03 Fri
Check out this great article from the Oakland Trib.At http://spazioinwind.libero.it/sf49ers/oak1001.html
If I thought the Mooch from 11 years ago would show his face on game day from time to time then I would never want to see him go!!! Come on Mooch,dig down deep in your memory and bring back that guy from 11 years ago.That guy was a fitting heir to the Walsh throne in the making!(where did you go wrong?Perhaps too much influence from John Robinson?) Anyone else see this jan. 10th article and if so what do you guys think? TIM
Subject: Sweet Memories


Author:
TANK
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Date Posted: 15:04:36 01/10/03 Fri
Oh, that miserable, cold, foggy afternoon in Chicago when a camera shot of the field offered visability to about midfield. That is a nice memory. That game made a mockery of the finesse label. My heart wells up with pride.

Did anone see NFL Highlights' Super Bowl XIX (49ers v. Dolphins at Stanford) on ESPN2 last night? It seems to me that the 49ers excell in the fog. Appropriate for the team from the City by The Bay. One observation - Roger Craig was an incredible receiver out of the backfield. His one handed grabs were incredible.

Win: Aside from late last Sunday and late in the Raiders game earlier this season (when the 49ers strayed from the WCO and went to the wide open, no-huddle offense)...in other words, 98% of the season...would you rate Garcia's performance in the West Coast offense comparable to that of a Steve Bono or Elvis Grbac?

FYI: Bono led Chiefs to 13-3 record in 1995 (520 Att., 293 Comp., 56.3%, 3,121 yards, 6.00 YPA, 21 TD, 10 INT, 79.5 QB rating).

Compare to Garcia in 2002 (528 Att., 328 Comp., 62.1%, 3,344 yards, 6.3 YPA, 21 TD, 10 INT, 85.6 QB Rating). Basically, the difference being Garcia completed 2 more passes a game.

Yikes!

Bono saw meaningful time only twice in San Francisco (1991 and 1992). In '91 he completed 59.5 percent of his passes, averaged 6.82 per attempt, and had a QB rating of 88.5. In '92, Bono completed 64.3 percent of his passes, averaged 8.27 per attempt, and had a QB rating of 87.1).

I am encouraged to learn that McFarland isn't playing. I am concerned about Tampa Bay's defense or special teams scoring on us. Otherwise, I think Bryan is correct...Mora sits in a nickel defense and challenges the Bucs' to run. If Parrish can wrap up, he is like a linebacker (see Tim McDonald). I think we can keep the Bucs offense to less that 20 points if we can get the defense off the field and force some punts. Turnovers would be great, but I don't bank on Johnson throwing 4 INT's. Not with Jon Gruden pullng the levers. We only forced two first half punts last week...we need to do a much better job at that.

Tagliabue is buckling to the New York media. If Fox detracts from this weekends game by rehashing last weekend's miscues, I will be extremely disappointed. Collingsworth and Bradshaw need to move on.

I know as a Sacramento Kings fan that agonized through the Lakers playoff series last year, this thing with the officials needs to be put to rest. As the talk continued through to the Lakers-Nets championship series, the New York media became very critical of the Kings' (and Kings fans) whining. To the Kings belly-aching they would say, "stop blaming the officials...make the free throws and you win." It is time for them to take their words to heart. To the New York belly-achers I say, "Shut up already! Shockey makes the catch in the end zone, or your kicker makes the field goals, you win..."

It is a good thing this weekends game isn't at Candestick Point 'cause it is a wet and muddy weekend here. I can't wait to get that fireplace roaring Sunday morning. This is shaping up as a potentially great day of football viewing.
I must say, I do hope New York's Jets fans have something to cheer about later in the day.

Does anyone really care about watching the Pittsburg-Tennessee game?
Subject: TIM and No Huddle


Author:
TANK
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Date Posted: 15:23:31 01/10/03 Fri
I understand the concept...WCO without the huddle...but that is not Garcia Ball. When he is most effective, like last weekend, he is moving around in the pocket, scrambling out of the pocket, and the running backs are nearly forgotten. Ask yourself, how many times did Garcia hand off in that last twenty minute stretch?

That isn't the WCO. Garcia Ball doesn't rely on footwork for timing...the essence of the WCO.

The key is obviously to find the Bucs' in their run defense and exploit it with passing...abandoning the run. That is how you create "no-huddle" mismatches. It isn't enough to simply get the defense tired. Unfortunately, if the Bucs' sit in a nickel package, I don't think the no-huddle works. they haven't played in two weeks...they won't get tired. Jon Grudens team can run with us. They won't get gassed.
Subject: TANK


Author:
TIM
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Date Posted: 15:28:05 01/10/03 Fri
TANK: Did you read the article in the Trib that I mentioned? What do you think? Would you want THAT Mooch to coach our Niners NOW? TIM
Subject: Merrill Hoge


Author:
NinerFaithful
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Date Posted: 15:52:12 01/10/03 Fri
Hey everyone, it looks like I was wrong about the media. Merrill Hoge on ESPN.com actually picked the Niners to win this weekend. So did the Sports guy, but he only picked us to cover the spread. We need to establish TO in the first quarter of Sunday's game, kinda like last week, give him a short pass before the double team gets there and then let him go to work!!! Hey, we're not the only team with small corners, Barber and Kelly are not exactly physical specimens if you know what I mean.....

Always Faithful!!!
Subject: 49ers triumphant against all odds


Author:
Sydney From Syd's Corner.
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Date Posted: 16:07:27 01/10/03 Fri
Inside Candlestick Park last Sunday in the National Football Conference’s televised Wild-Card Weekend spotlight a miracle happened about the third quarter with just over four minutes left to play in that quarter. The vaunted New York Giants heavily favored to defeat our beloved San Francisco 49ers had utterly fulfilled that promise to all the critic’s and sports analysts around the country. They had indeed trounced on every fiber of our being by leading 38-14 in the third quarter.
The New York Giants under quarterback Kerry Collins had literally dissected the insides of the 49er secondary and quartered the 49er defensive line with excellent running from Tiki Barber for 115 total yards. Amani Toomer was like a superman on offense for the Giants making completion after completion at 49er cornerback Ahmed Plummer’s expense and ours. He had eight receptions for 136 total yards and converted three touchdowns, he averaged an amazing 17 total yards per reception.
Please see more in Syd's Corner! Thanks for your support!
Sydney
Subject: 49ers vs. TB


Author:
49ertothecore
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Date Posted: 16:17:43 01/10/03 Fri
TIM & TANK - I think the 49ers have to play "inteligently" aggressive with the offense. For us to back off and respect their defense "too much" would be a mistake, that would be to their advantage. We have offensive weapons, we just need to utilize them effectively, and like always the OL has to do an effective job. We have a much better offense than they do, Tampa Bay depends on their defense to win games we have shown at times we can do both (offense & defense). If we can stay away from costly turnovers, keep their offense at bay and be fairly successful on offense, we can win this thing, and if, Atlanta knocks off the Eagles, NFC championship at Candlestick here we come.

I am surprised that Collinsworth & Bradshaw don't have a lawsuit slapped on them for knocking the 49ers so badly on National TV. I used to like Bradshaw, but when I hear him run down the 49ers on every turn, I have lost alot of respect for the man.

GO NINERS!! Show everyone that we have what it takes!!

SF 49ers 24, TB 17!!
Subject: NINERFAITHFUL


Author:
49ertothecore
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Date Posted: 16:27:51 01/10/03 Fri
Merril Hodge was the only one to pick the 49ers last week, he also picked Atlanta over Green Bay, he went 4-0 on his picks last week.

Lets hope he's on target with his picks this week. He also picked Atlanta over Philly and the Jets over the Raiders.
Subject: Dennis Green


Author:
TIM
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Date Posted: 16:47:44 01/10/03 Fri
Dennis Green just removed his name from consideration for the Jacksonville head coaching job he was rumored to be in line for. It was also reported last week that Bill Walsh met one on one with Dennis Green recently. Did Walsh offer Green Mooch's job? Did Green turn down Jacksonville because he thinks he is coming back to SF??? I doubt it but it is an interesting chain of events. TIM
Subject: Dennis Green - TIM


Author:
fearyaks
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Date Posted: 17:53:26 01/10/03 Fri
Green removed himself from the JAX position because he will only take a job as a GM/coach (though I suspect he could change his mind in order to coach the 49ers). Also I doubt JAX seriously considered him a candidate. I believe the NFL has a policy that at least one African American should be interviewed for each opening hence he was being interviewed as a PR move.

Besides I would hate to see him on the sidelines coaching the 49ers. All he did was have one of the best offenses of all time and lose to the Falcons. Also won't even get into his horrible GM decisions.
Subject: 9ers


Author:
Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 18:23:51 01/10/03 Fri

Looks like it's been a little busy in here... do we have an important game comming up or something?

Win - is the stamp the one of Rice being held up by another niner, arm raised in victory?

Faithful - hope you are right.

16to80 - I'd love to see a INT for a TD in the first TB offensive series...

TIM - that's basic football... the turnover stuff.

Wouldn't be nice for Brent Jones to be covering this game?

Tank - you are just finding out about Craig's hands :) ?

Glad to see u agree with me on the defense we need to play.

Syd- Great article as usual!

core - I like the idea of using Owens in the slot or in a bunch set so that he can get off the line more easily.

fearyaks / TIM - Green is over his head if he's a GM and a coach.

I'm still a big fan of signing a good defensive coach to be a co-head with Mooch

Subject: Merrill Hoge


Author:
16to80
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Date Posted: 18:25:10 01/10/03 Fri
49ertothecore - I saw Hoge on NFL edge matchup and he picked the Giants there. He said he picked the 49ers on the internet but was going with the Giants on the TV show. It's no big deal but I just thought it was interesting.
Subject: Stamps


Author:
Julie B.
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Date Posted: 19:35:09 01/10/03 Fri
Win - Knew you'd like it!! As to the stamp(s), I bought an entire sheet when it/they came out (The team of the '80's!!) with the Rice image on it!! (Although, 'officially' it wasn't supposed to be Rice, but 99% of the 9er fans beg to differ!!)
Subject: Stupid Stats


Author:
Uncle Kevin
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Date Posted: 20:04:05 01/10/03 Fri
You know? I was just looking for some stats that would back up what I'd already decided would be the keys to Sunday's game against Tampa...when I noticed something.

You know the whole...Tampa's Defense is terrific...but their offense is nothing--- thing?

According to ESPNs Stat board...

The Niners put up 22.9 points per game, this year.

The Buccs put up 21 points per game.

Garcia had a pass completion percentage of 62%.

B. Johnson had a pass completion percentage of 62%.

Garcia's rating: 85

Johnson's rating: 92

But Tampa's runners averaged just 3.5 per and 3.8 per, for Pittman and Allstott respectively.

While Hearst and Barlow averaged 4.5 and 4.7

Boy, I was hoping to see that the Niner offense was far more productive than Tampa's but according to those numbers...

Stupid Stats
Subject: 49ers


Author:
Balkan
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Date Posted: 20:04:48 01/10/03 Fri
Hi all, i say we'll win hope i'm right 28-15

Niners are capable of beating Tampa just Mooch's game plan worries me a little but if he sux he'll let his players play and they'll do the job we have the edge hope we don't lose it

GO NINERS!
Subject: Tampa Bay's Schedule


Author:
16to80
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Date Posted: 20:38:28 01/10/03 Fri
Don't you think their schedule was a little weak this year?

Date Opponent Time/Result
Sep 8 New Orleans Lost 20-26
Sep 15 @Baltimore Won 25-0
Sep 23 St. Louis Won 26-14
Sep 29 @Cincinnati Won 35-7
Oct 6 @Atlanta Won 20-6
Oct 13 Cleveland Won 17-3
Oct 20 @Philadelphia Lost 10-20
Oct 27 @Carolina Won 12-9
Nov 3 Minnesota Won 38-24
Week 10 BYE
Nov 17 Carolina Won 23-10
Nov 24 Green Bay Won 21-7
Dec 1 @New Orleans Lost 20-23
Dec 8 Atlanta Won 34-10
Dec 15 @Detroit Won 23-20
Dec 23 Pittsburgh Lost 7-17
Dec 29 @Chicago Won 15-0
Subject: Friday Afternoon Rundown


Author:
TANK
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Date Posted: 20:45:20 01/10/03 Fri
TIM: I read the Tribune article. I enjoyed it. Yes, I would like to see less predictable play calling. Those second and ten handoffs after an incomplete pass infuriate me. But, there was one telling sentence by the Tribune writer that makes me leery: "Design plays that allow Jeff Garcia and Terrell Owens to free-lance and do what they do best."

You see! That is what I have been trying to say. "Freelance" isn't West Coast offense. Freelance is Garcia Ball...wide open, CFL inspired, throwing on the run, with Garcia rushing for first downs (not running backs). Garcia Ball is what Garcia excells at. He is dynamite!

But, do we scrap the WCO for freelance? The offense would be more explosive...and probably score more, more consistantly. This isn't ball control, clock eating stuff. But, everything would be riding on Garcia staying healthy. Rattay can't do Garcia Ball. What do you say, TIM, should Walsh hire an offensive coordinator from the CFL to better utilize Garcia's talents?

Hodge went 4-0 last week? That is promising. But, did you realize the 49ers haven't covered the spread in nine weeks?

Considering that the Bucs' don't turn the ball over, it is imperitive that the 49ers don't make any mistakes, either. A muffed punt, or stripped ball would be brutal.

With regards to Dennis Green, I work with University Presidents...a group of people whose egos are rivaled only by NFL head coaches...and it is common for them to withdraw their names from consideration when it is apparent that someone else is going to get the appointment. It is a way of saving face. i suspect that is what went on in Jacksonville. Green wasn't going to get it, he could tell, so he withdrew his name rather than have the Jaguars say they preferred someone else.

Willie Shaw was fired by the Vikings. His defense was ranked 26th this past season, but it sure would be interesting to see his intimidating, smash mouth, aggressive defense that he built in Oakland repeated here.

I don't know why a coach would want the GM responsibilities. Look at Holmgren. He learned his lesson. It is just too much on one man's plate.

One of my great frustrations is with the LDE. And, i have grown increasingly disappointed with the lack of "big play" production out of Stubblefield and Young. It makes me wonder, what ever became of the notion of shifting Young to LDE? Green Bay fans I have talked to thought BY was a force on the end last year. Why not put Shaw or Flannigan or Moran in the middle with Stubby and have Young collapse the left side opposite Carter. It would free up Young from the double teams he is seeing inside. He has to be better than Okeafor or Engelberger. The backup DT's are better than Reggie McGrew and John Schlect were last year. Whether it is Flanigan or Moran or Shaw, I would hope they can hold their ground in the middle as well as Young has this year. Just a thought...I don't know why it was abandoned. The LDE just seems so undersized and overmatched all season.

At the least, it would give Brad Johnson's rusty mind and stiff back something to think about that he hadn't prepared for.
Subject: TANK


Author:
TIM
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Date Posted: 22:27:01 01/10/03 Fri
My point is that we shouldn't even have to be having the discussion about hiring any type of offensive coach because we have an offensive minded head coach in Mooch if he would just find it in himself to get back to his roots.Mooch should do what any GREAT coach and what Walsh himself would do,adjust his offensive play calling slightly to take advantage of the talents his key players have.The WCO always evolves into a slightly different version depending on which Walsh diciple is running it and what talent he has on his team.That doesn't mean you abandon it by running to set up the pass instead of passing to set up the run it just means you use the brain God gave you and utilize your talent(hopefully within the basics of the WCO )but that doesn't mean every play HAS to be from the 1981 49er playbook.Innovation means you have the ability to think outside the box.If you run a few plays from the wishbone does that mean you have abandoned the WCO?No!Walsh was an innovater,he would always pull a rabbit out of his hat especially at playoff time.Does that mean he was abandoning the WCO? No! When Steve Young ran naked bootlegs against the Cowboys to completely fake Charles Haley out of his socks in 94 did that mean Shannahan and Seifert and Young were abandoning the WCO and when Joe or Steve rolled out and passed on the run did that mean the 49ers had become a Canadian League style offense?No! What I and most "Mooch haters"as you call us, want is what we would get from Walsh if he were coaching THESE 2003 Niners in his prime.I don't care what label you put on it.There is nothing holy about the WCO.What I want is a coach that,like Walsh,will innovate and be one step ahead.The kind of coach that aparently Mooch was 11 years ago when he was at Cal. That's the kind of coach Walsh was and that led to him creating the WCO and if he were coaching the Niners of today then whatever he came up with would be cutting edge just like the WCO was .It was so innovative that for the most part the WCO is still on the cutting edge but just because I really enjoy prime rib doesn't mean I never eat anything else and just because we want mooch to run the Walsh offense doesn't mean we don't want him to add his genius to the mix.Like I have been saying for the last 6 months,it's time for him to quit hiding his light and if he has a brightness that he is not letting out then now is the time to show it,not after he goes to another team .If he has been afraid to innovate because the ghost of Walsh was always there and Mooch was afraid to commit the blasphemy of changing any little element of the offense that the great one had put into place then I say to Mooch,it's time to be your true self. If that means he goes back to that guy from 11 years ago then we may just have found the coach of the future that will knock our socks off but if the coach that we have seen IS the real Mooch (run 1st to set up the pass,etc.)(the diciple of John Robinson instead of Walsh and Holmgren) then maybe it's time for him to go or for us to bring in someone that Walsh will pick as a new OC that will not be afraid to innovate,the way Walsh himself would do.I'm still rooting for that Mooch of old to show himself and establish himself as the new "Bill Walsh" that many other coaches of the future try to copy! Dennis Green doesn't excite me,3 co-head coaches,1 for D and 1 for O and one administrator(Mooch) doesn't excite me.But that Mooch of old that I have been told about here before and have read about in that Trib article,that excites me. Come on Mooch,you have 3 more games this season to let the true Mooch shine,don't let yourself or us down! Start pulling rabbits out of the hat but don't wait until you are behind by 24 points and are FORCED to do it.That might be too late next time,too late for our SB hopes and too late for you to save your future with the Niners. TIM
Subject: The deep ball


Author:
Buddy
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Date Posted: 00:54:37 01/11/03 Sat
Hey guys,
I just got to thinking,after all of the heroics that we witnessed on Sunday, were there any deep passes or even any passes of moderate depth( other than the one thrown by Owens) attempted in the Giants game.I honestly can't remember any.

I know that we were running multiple receiver sets, but it still seemed like all the patterns that were being run were of the usual short variety.


What worries me is,that with Tampa's D, and especially Derrick Brooks, roaming the areas that we commonly attack, we are going to have some guys getting clobbered.

There needs to at least be the threat of the deep ball or we are going to be in for a long afternoon.

Chicago had quite a few receivers get open deep against Tampa,but their inexperienced Q.B failed to put the ball where it needed to be.

If we come out and play our short and shorter passing game against the Bucs, we are playing right into their hands.

We need to keep their safetys back in their 2 deep zone so that we can at least have a chance of establishing a running attack.If they are allowed to cheat up and support the run defense as well as cover the short crossing patterns,we are going to be doing a lot of punting as well as having a lot of injury timeouts.

It's time that we made a defense have to cover the entire field.Chad Pennington's arm is no better than Garcia's and he manages to get the ball fairly deep downfield and spreads the the ball around to darn near every receiver and running back on the roster.

Is it too much to expect every receiver on the field to be an option on every play.This is not a rant against Garcia, it's just that if Tampa can shut down the scrambling of Michael Vick, not to mention busting him up pretty good in the process,there is no reason to beleive that the same thing won't happen to Garcia.I beleive that his passing ability versus his scrambling ability will be the key to success in this game.If we can pass the ball, it will tremendously help our ability to run the ball.We can't spend the entire first half trying to establish the run in order to protect Garcia from Tampa's pass rush.

This is round two of the playoffs.Vanilla doesn't get it done in round two.What worked last week , likely won't work this week.We need to make a statement early in the game by not being as predictable as we were in the first half last week.

If we are going to go down, let's go down being smart,innovative, and bold.The players seem to prefer that approach and I know that most of the fans do.I am curious to see if the coaches feel the same way.


LET'S GO NINERS, HOW BOUT WE SHOCK'EM AGAIN
Subject: Note on "Garcia Ball"


Author:
RageFX
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Date Posted: 00:55:50 01/11/03 Sat
Its been funny to see all of this "Garcia Ball"
offense talk. Its almost as if he has spawned some sort of new off the wall offensive scheme. I would say "Garcia Ball" is a mixture of the CFL with a slight case of tourettes, and I love it. I have been a Garcia supporter for a while now and I would agree with those that say that we should adapt our scheme to fit our talent, it only makes sense. But to throw out the WCO in favor of "Garcia Ball", as fun as it might be to watch is never going to happen and probly shouldn't. However to form a hybrid within the confines of the WCO might be a way to go.

Think about this. We have been calling our offensive scheme
predictable all season and it has been. But when Garcia is allowed to spread his wings things become anything but predictable and damn fun to watch.

I think part of the reason that our sudden change in the offense might have been so successful in the last game might be because of the stark contrast between the two styles. Basically the Giants didn't know what hit them and probly still don't. I think "Garcia Ball" for the most part is a very hard scheme to defend because the only way to really shut it down is to get to Garcia which is easier said than done. As long as Garcia is still on his feet and has to ball in his hands the play is still alive. However, I know Garcia is as tough as nails but playing this way too often could get him killed.

My suggestion would be to keep "Garcia Ball" as a change up option. If we keep switching on the defense they will most likely be on thier heels the entire time if all goes well. Plus playing "Garcia Ball" puts him in a rythm in general, this would also increase his performance in our normal system. Think of it as a switch from conservative Mooch Mid-West-Coast-Offense (which believe it or not has won us some games) and then to "Garcia Ball", The off the wall and exciting offense that our QB plays like a God in.

Installing "Garcia Ball" as our main offensive scheme just won't make any sense. Mainly because I don't think that there is another QB on the planet that can run it quite like Garcia, its as unorthadox as his playing style is. But it should be used more often to SPICE things up, something we have been lacking on offense all season until now.

Personally I think Garcia can be an effective WCO QB and for the most part(not always) he has been, but the O-Line has to be there for him in order for it to work.

I think if we reduce our mistakes and the Defense has a good day we can Take the Bucs. I also want to see how "Garcia Ball" is going to be used against the NFL's #1 Defense if at all.

Niners-21
Bucs-17

Hopefully Atlanta pulls off an upset but I wouldn't mind another shot at the Eagles to redeem ourselves :)
Niners !!!!!!!!! The Legend Continues !!!!
Subject: Interesting


Author:
Anthony49
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Date Posted: 02:22:43 01/11/03 Sat
Tank,

What I don't understand, is why you think 'Garciaball' and the 49'er offense have to be mutually exclusive.

It's not like Jeff Garcia is pleading with the coaches, "Please! Please throw out the entire playbook, that huge monstrosity of a thing that I have spent over 3 years studying like a madman and trying to commit to memory, I want you to scrap the whole friggin' thing and design an offense around me!"

All this talk of 'garciaball' vs. the 'WCO' all seems kind of silly to me.

First, the 'WCO' is a rather vague, general term. Ultimately, in of itself, it might not mean anything. Look at all of the offenses that have been labeled 'WCO' offenses by the NFL, and how different many of them have been, over the last 20 years.

It gets silly. There are as many 'WCO' offenses as there are teams in the NFL, and yet people talk about the 'WCO' like it were one offense.

What the 49'ers have done, and done quite successfully, since the Walsh era, is play ball-control efficient offense with a reliance on the short-passing game, eating clock, and controlling the time and tempo of the game. It has many variants, and most of the coaches from Walsh's coaching tree (damn near half the NFL at this point) have all their own philosophies and addendums.

Mooch, for his part, relies more on the running game than most, and firmly believes in balance, probably more than the others. If Mooch were guaranteed 4 yards a carry, I think he'd do nothing but run.

(And actually, I agree with that -- If the running game is working, there is no better way to win and no better way to play football ... but i digress).

All this ranting about Garcia and 'garciaball' just has me giggling a bit.

The 49'er offense isn't going to throw away its mammoth playbook and design a system around Garcia. And Mooch is not dumb enough to try and play a no-huddle offense fulltime. That's just silly.

Garcia HAS been playing the 49'er offense, as it's fulltime starter for 3 years running, 3 consecutive pro bowl appearances. He HAS been running the '49'er' offense, and has been doing it very well.

People point to different things to explain the different numbers in those 3 seasons, though to me the biggest correlation is in the team itself, and whether or not the team was in catch up mode.

Regardless.

Garcia is running the 49'er offense, has done it commendably well, and barring injury, will be the 49'er starter next season, and likely a couple seasons after that.

When Garcia talks about 'Garciaball' (a term he coined, which I think has been taken and run with), he simply means when things break down, he can freelance and make things happen.

The emphasis on *when* things break down, he can wing it, freelance, scramble, and make things happen.

Much like other 49'er QB's have done in the past. Call it 'firedrills', call it 'scrambling', call it 'garciaball'.

It's all essentially the same:

*when* things break down, the 49'ers like to have QB's who can make things happen.

Always have, and hopefully, always will.

Doesn't mean Garcia is advocating a change of offense, doesn't mean Garcia wants to change the playbook, and even if one doesn't believe Garcia even wants these things, which he doesn't, it also follows that the coaching staff and ownership don't want these things to.

The 49'er offense isn't going to change.

It's lack of effectiveness these season in several crucial games can be blamed on a huge assortment of reasons.

But the offense itself is not going anywhere. Remember in 1999 when the 49'er were averaging single digit points from offense in miserable stretches?

It was still the 49'er offense.

It just wasn't executed terribly well.

As for Garcia lobbying for change, he does lobby to open up the playcalling a bit.

But I've never heard Garcia lobby for a change of offensive system.

He just wants 3 WR's on the field more often. And there are 3 WR sets in the 49'er offensive playbook ...
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