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Subject: Sorry Bryan


Author:
greg
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Date Posted: 00:50:27 01/05/03 Sun

Bryan: Did you write an article on the 49ers' rushing tendencies and averages? Is it still available on the Paradise home page?

Why run more to the left? I don't get it. Cutback? Sure, but not running off tackle behind Heitmann and Deese.

Subject: Bryan...RE: Emotion


Author:
2winspapa
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Date Posted: 00:53:32 01/05/03 Sun

There was a definite difference in the way the game felt when the jets played the pack. The jets were playing with alot of enthusiasm and they demoralized and spanked the packers, whereas the giants gave it everything they could and left completely spent in order to pull the "upset" off afainst the eagles.

Subject: Beat the Giants


Author:
Niner Bob
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Date Posted: 02:35:48 01/05/03 Sun

Hey Niner fans, before I get to the giant game... did you hear those loyal, faithful so called "best Fans in the league" in green bay boo their beloved pack off the field at the half? Madden must really be bummed. He loves Favre. Vick is the real deal. Ok. I see us beating the giants 27-14. Grinding ground game and TO and Streets catching big passes. Welcome back Zack. D gets some juice and stops Barber. 1 TD for Shockey but JP holds his own defending him.
Niners TDs Barlow (1) TO (1) Jeff (1). I see Jeff running for 40-50 yds total especially for 1st downs. As of Saturday night my sports fantasy is: SF over NY. CLEVE over PITT. Next week ATL over PHIL, SF over TB which opens up the NFC title game at the 'stick ATL vs SF. Raifers win the AFC. On to San Diego and a Niners win!!!!!!!!! Welcome back Bryan. GO NINERS Beat giants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Enjoy the game everyone

Subject: Eh?


Author:
TrevortheGreat of Trevor's Corner
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Date Posted: 07:19:26 01/05/03 Sun

UK-

I'd have to disagree with you regarding Kerry Collins physically being "way ahead of Garcia."

Kerry Collins is bigger than Jeff Garcia. Collins is 6'5", 248 to Garcia's 6'1", 195. And Collins throws the ball harder than Garcia, though they can throw it about the same distance.

But Collins has this crazy "windup" motion when he throws the ball--horrible mechanics. And Garcia is a better scrambler, and his footwork in general is far superior. While Collins at times develops lead feet, Garcia is always moving his feet. Just a thought.

To continue the debates I apparently have going on a few fronts...

TANK-

In response to your inquiry of what I would do to upgrade the line from what it is right now, I'd agree that we need to add a young, dominant left tackle. Derrick Deese won't be around forever and no, he's not "dominant". He's not the next Tra Thomas or Orlando Pace or whomever. Doesn't mean he's not plenty good.

But really, I dont see where you see the 49ers line being dominated either. In fact, if you watch film or you just watch in game situations, more often than not, the 49ers' line holds their own. They win the battles in the trenches. The offensive line is a big reason the team won ten games this year because, even though they're not constructed of 1st round picks with physical talent out the wazoo, they are extremely well coached, athletic players who play great together. Sure, you could potentially upgrade them, but that's not the POINT. The point is that they do NOT get dominated. They're not in the ranks of the all-time great offensive lines of the past, but they win battles. What more can you realistically ask for?

UK-

Brother, I didnt even see your post calling Garcia the 14th best QB in the league until tonight.

And I have been laughing at you for nearly the last half hour.

My list of five was QBs who I perceive to be flat out better than Jeff Garcia. All of them are unattainable. Most of the other QBs you list can be potentially ranked above him or can be identified as players with greater "upside" (whatever that means), but yes, I feel my list of five are the QBs who are plain and simple, flat out, better than Garcia.

However, your quote about Jake Plummer:

"In fact, I'd put him very high on that list of guys who are better than Garcia, because his skills and physical tools are such a perfect fit for the Niner offensive system."

Is correct. His physical tools are very well-suited for the offense.

But 49ers fans know that the West Coast offense is not predicated on physical tools. In fact, it's a much more cerebral offense. It relies on QBs being able to make quick, smart decisions, staying in rhythm, and making plays. Not being able to wing the ball 70 yards downfield, not standing 6'5" in the pocket. If the 49ers needed that, Jim Druckenmiller would be starting right now. Toughess and mental acumen will put a QB in a far better position to run the West Coast offense than arm strength.

And honestly, you'd really rank Jeff Garcia behind every single QB on that list? I somehow find that hard to believe, even coming from you. Fact is, though I could certainly rank several more QBs ahead of Garcia based purely on this season, I think overall, when you look at the big NFL picture and rank QBs based on overall performance, Garcia does figure to be in or near the top five. Certainly in the top ten. Hell, pure statistics place him there.

But to rank him behind Brian Griese? Well that just undercuts every other good point you've made.

Subject: 9ers


Author:
Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 11:59:14 01/05/03 Sun


greg - I guess Walsh was right about Pennington eh? Man did he look good out there... makes you wonder a bit about Manning... Vick was awesome too... geeze I knew he was an athlete but now I see him as a quarterback.

Syd- Great Preview my man!

greg- no worries... the article can be found at http://www.49ersparadise.cjb.net/runright.html and actually we rush up the middle the most, right second and left last... I must have been dreaming or something. ... but up the middle we only average 3.9 yards per carry (stat based on yards gained until December 19th)

2wins - good point on the different types of emotion.

NinerBob - I was lovin' it!

TVG - nice post..


Subject: Pre-Game Jitters...GO 49ERS!!!


Author:
TANK
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Date Posted: 14:37:30 01/05/03 Sun

I just read in my morning paper that Kerry Collins passed for 342 yards against the 49ers in Week 1. He has three career 300-yard games against the 49ers, his most against any club. Don't forget: Collins' Week 1 yardage was amassed against a healthy Webster, Parrish and Winborn. Ouch!

Trev and UK: Where Garcia ranks among the league's QB's depends on which Jeff Garcia we are talking about. I would rank Garcia 2000 as one of the top four QB's in the league. I would rank Garcia 2001 as one of the top 5. I would have to put Garcia 2002 (the current version) 8th or 9th, overall, in the NFL. Let's face it, Garcia threw 9 fewer TD's, and thats got to account for something.

Likewise, it matters which Kerry Collins you are talking about. This 2002 Collins passed for over 4,000 yards. I remember how special it was when Garcia did that in 2000, so whatever your pre-conceived notions about Collins may have been, it is time to re-adjust your expectations.

Trev: You argue that Collins has "horrible mechanics"...as if Garcia doesn't? While watching Pennington carve up the Colts yesterday, all I we heard from the announcers was glowing appraisal of him setting his feet and beautiful follow through. And, I thought to myself, what would they think about Garcia's? Whatever fault you find with Collins' "crazy wind-up motion," it is no less effective than Garcia unconventional "hop-skip-jump" motion. Collins may have lead feet, but he sheds would-be tacklers like a Cuttlefish changes colors.

greg posts an interesting -- Owens is twice the big play threat that Toomer is, but Toomer netted 42 more yards on 18 fewer receptions. I would imagine that Owens has better YAC stats, so that just goes to show how much shorter the 49ers' routes and passes are.

I hope there isn't some kind of "New York football teams karma-thing" going on. Whatever stars were in alignment better re-align in favor of the 49ers.

Mariucci did the right thing by firing his aggressive agent last year, and this sent a message to the front office that he wants to stay in San Francisco. Now he needs to take the next step and fire Gregg Knapp...that will send a message to Terrell Owens that he intends to open up the offense next year.

If Donahue lands a receiving threat in the first tow rounds or free agency, all will be well with the offense. Oh yeah, and let Barlow start! Hearst's career is winding down...

What to expect: The Giants have only given up 1 TD in the first quarter all season. They have given up the third fewest points in the NFL this season.

I would love to see the Niners score on their first two possessions...but htat seems highly unlikely. Oh well, I predict they score twice in the first half and lead at half-time.

GO 49ERS!

Subject: Ah, the debate rages


Author:
Uncle Kevin
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Date Posted: 15:49:53 01/05/03 Sun

Trev

Well it does my heart good to know I could make you laugh.

Now if I could just teach you how to read.

"But to rank him behind Brian Griese? Well that just undercuts every other good point you've made."

Fortunately, for all those other good points I made, I did NOT rank Garcia behind Brian Griese.

Really. Go back and take a look.

As for Garcia's stats...what's the old line?

There are lies...there are damned lies...and then there are statistics.

Well, game's on in a bit and I have to go fidget until it's time to work myself up into a genuine frenzy.

Subject: that eerie feeling about pennington


Author:
2winspapa
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Date Posted: 15:55:53 01/05/03 Sun

I realize this is premature, and I'm sure you've already heard the comparisons, even on this forum, but Pennington is looking like a young Montana. He's a killer QB that has killer instincts and looks like a school boy with that down home charm. If only....

Subject: 9ers


Author:
Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 16:08:44 01/05/03 Sun


Tank-
I've heard quite a bit about firing Knapp... and let me say that I'm against it. Knapp needs to be demoted back to QB coach where he did an excellent job. He's great at developing players, but not as great a play caller. Can that change? Sure can, but firing him is a bad idea, because mark my words he will be a good OC/HC one day.


UK - funny quote!

2wins - I agree about greatness, but I don't see much Joe in him.


Subject: Giants...vs Niners


Author:
ninernut
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Date Posted: 16:34:40 01/05/03 Sun

Listen guys, back in week one I was at the Meadowlands to see my Niners play the Giants. I don't know if any of you have ever been to the Meadowlands in NJ but the place was
so frigen loud I could'nt hear myself think. But what I saw
was a Forty Niner team that beat the Giants up and down the
field all night, but missed a couple of field goals if I remember correctly with Cortez, then finally hitting one
in the final seconds to win.

THAT WAS THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON ON THE ROAD AT GIANTS
STADIUM.

HAVE A LITTLE FAITH IN YOUR TEAM...GUYS THERE IS TOO MUCH
DISECTING OF EVERYTHING ON THIS DAMM BOARD, JUST REMEMBER
THE NINERS APPARENTLY HAVEN'T PLAYED THIER GAME ALL YEAR AND
ARE HOSTING THE GIANTS TODAY........

TODAY THEY WILL PLAY THEIR GAME...

THINK LIKE A FAN, NOT LIKE A ESPN ANALYST!

GO NINERS....................GO NINERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nut

Subject: 9ers


Author:
Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 17:45:17 01/05/03 Sun


Chandler injured ankle in warmup will kick


Subject: Halftime


Author:
TIM
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Date Posted: 19:25:10 01/05/03 Sun

The radio announcers said that Plummer has a groin strain and would not play except that they really don't have anyone else to put in .WOW, what a mess! Let's hope that they can score a TD on their first possession of the 2nd half and then can play some D. No more turnovers please!And ,for a change, let's have a few halftime adjustments by our coaching staff!!!!!!!!! Get in the QB's face in the 2nd half or it's over!GO NINERS! One half of football to keep the season alive! It's now or never!!! TIM

Subject: THE PRETENDERS


Author:
BARRY
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Date Posted: 19:30:05 01/05/03 Sun

49ERS MUCH LIKE THIS YEARS PACKERS ARE NO MORE THAN PRETENDERS.

IT'S TIME FOR THE MANAGEMENT TO WAKE UP, THE WHOLE COACHING STAFF GOES ALONG WITH THE QUARTERBACK, PRO BOWL OR NOT, WIN OR NOT. THERE HAS TO BE A SHAKEUP, TOO COMPLACENT & AND THEY ARE WASTING OUR TIME AND LOYALTY.

HAVE A GOOD OFF SEASON AND A GOOD YEAR

Subject: The also rans


Author:
Audrey Cunning
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Date Posted: 20:04:51 01/05/03 Sun

I can't watch anymore. Talk about changes that need to be made. First get rid of Mora, then Knapp, then Garcia, then.....I could go on and on. Does anyone out there know what their doing. I have seen poor teams in the playoffs before but this takes the cake. T.O just made a touchdown, seems too little too late and the Giants will get the ball back and go down the field. Boy am I discouraged, This has been my team for 22 years and I am ashamed of them. Tell me what needs to be done - not that York will do it.

Subject: Continued ineptness by players and coaches


Author:
TIM
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Date Posted: 20:06:47 01/05/03 Sun

Deese is out with a ankle sprain! Mooch tries to show his "killer instinct" on 4th and a foot on their first drive of the 2nd half.Too bad he also showed his predictability when he calls a run up the middle by Beasley.The same call he has called in similar situations probably 9 out of the last 10 times they have been in that situation. The Giants of course have seen the films and just like Jr. Seau in the Chargers game they were in Mooch's head and stacked it up for a loss.then the D continues it's poor play from the 1st half(halftime adjustments???) and the Giants score again(NO PRESSURE ON COLLINS?????).Then the Niners get the ball back(21 points behind now) and go 3 and out!(halftime adjustments???) If Mooch stays as a figurehead coach next year then he will probably have to accept a new bunch of assistant coaches that know what they are doing,unlike Mooch.What a sad display!! But if we will admit it we must confess that nobody in this forum is really surprised. Mooch is out of his depth!!!!!!!!!! 24 points down now and no hope in sight but with the players we have and everyone getting healthy for next year and a few good free agents and a good draft then I have great hope for next season! IF WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE COACHING SITUATION. Here's hoping that Jacksonville or the Bengals or somebody wants Mooch and that he is willing to go for some compensation.Even if the Niners score 24 unanswered points and then go ahead to win in overtime I don't want to see Mooch back! And if our owner wants him back as a figurehead coach to deal with the media and be the "players coach" then at least bring in some good coaches to be the real football coaches so our team can reach their potential.T.O. just scored again! then he scores the 2 point conversion! "Only" 16 points behind now! A small ray of hope! GO NINERS!!! I am on my way to work now so I must listen to the rest of the game on the car radio. I will check back on the forum tomorrow. GO NINERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TIM

Subject: I love our Niners


Author:
9r4life
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Date Posted: 20:19:33 01/05/03 Sun

Never lose your LOYALTY!!!!

9r4life

Subject: I'll eat my words


Author:
Audrey Cunning
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Date Posted: 20:20:30 01/05/03 Sun

Well, miracles can happen. Two two point conversions in addition. I was impressed. Not quite enough to completely change my mind, but hopefully I am hanging on by my fingers just like the team is at this point. Eight points to go and only if the Giants don't score again and who can promise that.

Subject: 9r4life


Author:
9r4life
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Date Posted: 20:31:53 01/05/03 Sun

Jeff is a pimp. When Mariucci lets him go,he is unbeleivale. I do not understand what took Mooch so long to just let go. Garcia just got us 1st down on 4th and 1. What a freakin game. My heart won't stop. My pulse is going through the roof. I never want this game to end!!!

9r4life

Subject: 9r4life


Author:
9r4life
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Date Posted: 20:37:10 01/05/03 Sun

2nd and 10: Run up the middle!! WHY!!!

Subject: Garcia Garcia Garcia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Author:
RageFX
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Date Posted: 21:14:06 01/05/03 Sun

Garcia Garcia Garcia Garcia Garcia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the Niners !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See what happens when Garcia gets to play HIS Game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the Second Biggest comeback in NFL HISTORY !!!!!!

Oh yeah the Bucs are next!!!!

Subject: HOW DO YOU LIKE ME KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Author:
ninernut
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Date Posted: 21:16:37 01/05/03 Sun

FOR ALL YOU.........THE NON BELIEVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


BELIEVE

HOW COULD YOU NOT?

HOW LITTLE FAITH HAVE THEE

39-38

NINERS ARE FRIGEN GREAT

GARCIA IS NOW.........

JEFF COOL


WHAT DID THE NUT SAY?

TODAY IS THE DAY.....

HOW BOUT THEM RED GOLD BOLD NINERS!!!

Subject: WOW


Author:
Bob
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Date Posted: 21:26:30 01/05/03 Sun

I'm not gonna say much cuz i might explode if i do.

The only down side about tyhis game is i have to go out and buy a new pair of pants because the ones im wearing are thouroughly soiled!

HOLY $HIT!!!!

I had cousins and friends calling me every single touchdown the giantrs scored and i was about ready to skin my dog.

But wait just a second their uncle jimmy!

9ers win, what the hell is going on?

I don't know but the 9ers won!!!!!!

You can bet your money I'm calling up every bastard that called me.

Overral solid game

I was pleased with everything and if one thing is for sure

PETERSON IS A STUD, AHMED IS NOT

TO-enough said

I'm gonna go knock on every neighbors door and apologize to them for how much the giants suck!

Bring on dem' buccs baby!

Subject: Whoa!


Author:
JJBoss
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Date Posted: 21:26:47 01/05/03 Sun

Now, How do you Love That???!

Subject: Well...


Author:
fearyaks
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Date Posted: 21:32:23 01/05/03 Sun

Well at least for a week we won't have to hear about how bad Jeff Garcia is and how Mooch should be fired for Dick Lebeau. Never give up!

Subject: 9ers


Author:
Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 21:39:39 01/05/03 Sun


What a game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Subject: I have seen it all


Author:
Domingo
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Date Posted: 21:43:50 01/05/03 Sun

Unbelievable!

I have seen it all now!

God bless the San francisco 49ers!

Let Garcia play! He is so much better when Mooch lets him wing it.

Lets go to tampoon bay and and get some payback for the 97 game and the cheap shots they gave Steve and Jerry!

Go Niners!

We NEEDED this!

Subject: Simply Amazing


Author:
HereComes6
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Date Posted: 22:10:19 01/05/03 Sun

Here we come TB!

Subject: What in the blue freak?


Author:
49ertothecore
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Date Posted: 22:14:08 01/05/03 Sun

We have small group church meetings on Sunday nights and I was going to stay home and watch the whole game but when they fell behind 35-14 and didn't make that 4th and 1 at the start of the 2nd half I decided I couldn't take much more and went to my meeting and I was afraid to come home and see what the final score was and when I saw 39-38 and 2nd biggest comeback all I could think was hell ya! what an incredible comeback, I would have loved to hear what Bradshaw & Collinsworth had to say about the 49ers after coming back like they did (are they anti-niners or what?). Not many people gave the 49ers a chance. Although Jimmy Johnson was a little more positive about the 49ers. All that SHOCKEY frenzy, I guess the whole football world forgot at T.O. the most dangerous WR in the NFL.

If Collins could abuse our defense with Toomer why not utilize an even more potent weapon like T.O., smart thinking NINERS! Jeff, where you been this season, sure glad you played "GARCIA BALL" today.

I sure wish we had Jimmy Williams back there fielding punts & kickoff returns. Don't even think about putting Cedrick Wilson back there again this season. Vinny is not spectacular but safe, that punt blunder nearly cost us this game. Is Roscoe Parish of Miami in the draft this year, he looks like a good return man! What an incredible game Miami & Ohio State played. How about Will Allen of Ohio State. I think he is a CB and a senior this year? Now there is someone I would consider trading up for in the 1st round.

What is up with Rumph, he still looks like he has no clue of what the hell is going on! We were very fortunate to escape with a victory today! The Bucs won't be easy but I think I would rather play them than the Eagles.

So much for a New York Superbowl, maybe we could still have an all California "West Coast" Superbowl!

What an incridible year this has been. You can't take any team lightly, until the last second is gone on the clock! I would love to see the NINERS go to Tampa Bay and pick up where they left off at against the Giants. Maybe this win will propel us deeper into the playoffs and ultimately a Super Bowl championship!!!!

Subject: YES!


Author:
TrevortheGreat of Trevor's Corner
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Date Posted: 23:04:55 01/05/03 Sun

Oooh, Audrey!

LOL 49ers fans. Never change.

I DIDN'T GET TO SEE THE FREAKING GAME!! I HAD A MEMORIAL SERVICE TO ATTEND AND I MISSED EVERYTHING AFTER HALFTIME!!

I need tape. Pure and simple. If anyone can make me a copy of the tape for this game and send it to me, I'll gladly pay them. Email me.

Anyone who questions Jeff Garcia's greatness -- yes, I said greatness -- can do something very naughty to my nether regions. The man has joined the ranks of the football gods. Executing a comeback from 24 down? In the playoffs? Against a team that was dominating him? Montana, for all his own greatness, never did it. Nor did Young. Nor has nearly any QB in NFL history.

If -- and note the if -- the 49ers play the way they did the last twenty minutes today... balls out, filled with intensity and poise... I'll rescind my comments from my latest article that the 49ers won't win the Super Bowl.

No questions about Garcia now, are there?

Subject: Eating Crow...


Author:
TANK
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Date Posted: 23:08:32 01/05/03 Sun

WOW!!!! What a game! Don't tell me some of you aren't eating crow right now. Even I am working some down with my beer right now. Garcia and the offensive line showed tremendous heart. The 49ers were down 24-14 at half, and none of it was because of offensive play calling. yes, we ran on 2nd and ten, but so did the Giants!!! Did you fail to notice that?

Collins and Toomer are leathal...and Collins doesn't have a very good #2WR, either...but he has Shockey. Eric Johnson isn't Shockey, but he is clutch. Oh, it was so sweet to see Shockey lose his cool...come to think of it, several Giants lost their cool...FIRE FASSEL!!!!

As good as Toomer is, Ahmed Plummer showed that our "shut down" corner isn't a "shut down" corner. Fortunately, I think he matches up okay with Keyshawn and Rob Johnson (is Brad still out?). Hey, Mike Rumph deserves some credit today. He was sticking guys, made a great effort on a ball that Shockey caught. That was a ballsy move. He didn't get it, but I liked seeing him be that aggressive.

This defense showed up in the end, but they couldn't force a second punt in the first half. Everyone wants to see good coaching...well, Mora made an adjustment and was successful. Where is all the applause he deserves?

Our offense couldn't sustain a drive so the coaches made a halftime adjustment...there it is Whiners, the coaching you love to criticize. No huddle...use Johnson and Streets, put owens in motion, or line him up in the slot. Again, the coaching was there...the aggressive going for it on fourth down...the trick play...where is the applause?

I have to reiterate, our o-line did a spectacular job in pass protection, but they were dominated on short yardage situations. What happened to Kevan Barlow in the second quarter...he disappeared? Is he injured? He is a threat (and Hearst obviously no longer is).

I loved seeing Owens on the sideline telling Garcia and Streets that we could still win. I wish Garcia as the QB was giving that lecture, but that is a bit nit-picky after an incredible win. I get frustrated with Owens stupid, lose your head antics that nearly cost valuable field position. He also dropped a pass with a one handed stab at the most crucial juncture.

Take heart, we nearly lost because of defense and special teams (down 24-14 and none of it had to do with Mariucci's playcalling), but we won because the Giants' defense couldn't get pressure and their nickel back is weak (sound familiar?), AND their front office is slightly less interested in special teams than our front office.

I think we can build on this. The coaches kept their team in the right frame of mind. They made the adjustments. They put the ball in the right hands. Their critics need to take a cold shower and get a fresh perspective.

Get Jason Webster healthy. Bring on Gruden! Go NINERS!

just like old times...

Subject: Trevor - wow there!


Author:
49ertothecore
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Date Posted: 23:14:11 01/05/03 Sun

First, if you can get a copy of the game and make me a copy I would gladly pay you for a copy.

Garcia's performance was a great step in the right direction, but to exalt him higher than Montana & Young is incorrect. Lets hope he as more magic in store and that the rest of the team can feed off of it. It was time to put up or shut up and he came through in flying colors, I give him alot of credit. Why do you think he doesn't play this way consistently?

Bob - I busted a gut when I read you post. I am so happy the 49ers came back and won this one.

Subject: PRETENDER ll


Author:
Barry
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Date Posted: 23:14:57 01/05/03 Sun

OOPS: I YOU SEE A STRANGE MAN TOMORROW WITH HIS BOOTS IN HIS
......., WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN:)HOWEVER, WOULD BELIEVE
THIS IS MY WAY TO NOT JINX THE NINERS. IF I TAPE THE GAME
OR GET NEGATIVE THEY WIN MORE THAN NOT. I KNOW B.S. B.S.,
WELL THATS IT AND IT WORKED TODAY, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE TOLD PEOPLE HOW STRANGE I REALLY AM OR JUST TOO NEGATIVE.

I STILL WISH EVERYONE A GREAT NEW YEAR

STRANGE ONE

Subject: 9ers


Author:
Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 23:36:57 01/05/03 Sun


TVG - it was Garcia's signature game...

Tank - great post!

core - good point.. Steve and Joe are a notch up until at least one SB victory.

Barry - please stop typing in all caps...


Subject: Today's Game


Author:
Pastor Dave
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Date Posted: 23:46:14 01/05/03 Sun

My impressions of the game.
49ers offense was doing well, but defense was stumbling at the beginning. When the game was tied 14-14 I thought that reflected the strengths of the two teams.

Then the 49er defense stepped up and stopped the Giants forcing a 4th and 17 punt. Here was the chance for the offense to make a statement and take control of the game.

But - oh,no - Wilson fumbles the ball, and worst yet the Giants march in to score. This was the first turning point of the game as the Giants proceeded to annihilate the 49ers scoring 17 more unanswered points to take a 38-14 lead. Time to compose a letter to John York about firing Mooch and replacing Garcia, but I am a loyal fan so I guess I'll stay to the end of the game!

Suddenly, a turning point - Mariucci lets Garcia loose. The difference is so profound that it seems to me Mariucci might want to consider adapting his game plan to Garcia's predilections instead of what seems to make sense. Notice how when Garcia is hitting on all cylinders the receivers start getting their head into the game -- and then even the rushing plays seem to work better. (Have I heard this before: the passing game sets up the running game???? Long ago, far away, many years ago?) Lo and behold two 49er touchdowns WITH matching two point conversions.

Meanwhile the defense responds to the offensive success (perhaps because they actually can catch their breath on the sidelines for a change) Suddenly, the Giants offense is not as effective.

The 49ers slow down a little and have to settle for a field goal, but the defense holds again, and TOUCHDOWN 49ers!

Now the kickoff, and ... and ... and special teams give the ball to the Giants near midfield. Are the 49er special teamers really as bad as they sometimes play?

Momentum back to the Giants. The 49er defense can't stop them now. The Giants take it downfield. They are in field goal range. They kick it on third down, so if there is some kind of muff they will even have a second chance. Giants easily win... but wait. What's this? They blew the snap. And - they didn't spike the ball. And they had five of their ineligible players ridiculously running downfield for who knows why? So when the 49ers blunder and commit pass interference which would have salvaged the Giants game, it was done against an ineligible player.

What a circus. What dumb luck! How unbelievable. And ... the 49ers win!

Was this game just a crazy fluke or do the 49ers actually have a chance next week? Well, Green Bay was upset, the Jets made Indianapolis look like the Bengals, and Cleveland almost upset the Steelers. So anything can happen in this wacky season. But those drives by Garcia were no fluke. They kind of reminded me of an offense the 49ers used to play. Perhaps you've heard of it - it was called the West Coast Offense!

I hope Webster is back next week! They are going to need him.

Subject: Comments to Forum


Author:
9r4life
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Date Posted: 23:47:47 01/05/03 Sun

Tank, (there it is whiners, the coaching you love to critisize)

There was no coaching in the second half. Mariucci was just like the rest of us. FANS!! He watched Garcia as I watched, I did not see any coaching at all. I saw Garcia take over the game. As soon as Mariucci let Garcia go, we crushed the Giants. The second half had no coaching.

I live in Nevada and here we have the "point after". It has Joe Fonzi and Ronnie Lott going over the game and interviews with the players. Mike Rumph said at half time, "the plays in the first half were not working so we went to a play called, come home to mama", he said that it means when you are confused as a defense, you "come home to mama", and that is some basic defense. They did that the whole second half.

So - there was actually NO coaching in the second half!! How do you coach in a hurry up, no huddle offense anyway? Today was straight JEFF GARCIA and his offense, and our DEFENSE. Just like I wrote before, anyone can babysit these guys, but they are best left alone. THE PLAYERS WIN GAMES. And what an outstanding job they did today.

And as far as "shut down" corner, at the end of the game Plummer made the most important play of the night. He got in perfect postion and almost picked of Collins off. I do not care if the receiver gets 1 billion yards. WHO made the play when it matter the most? MR. AHMED PLUMMER. If he does not make that play,,,,, WHO KNOWS??? It is about having the right people in the right place at the right time!! Plummer did that.

The Niners earned a huge victory, and the best part, WE GET TO WATCH FOR ANOTHER WEEK!!!!!

9r4life

Subject: What a Game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Author:
Niner Bob
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Date Posted: 00:20:35 01/06/03 Mon

Whoa!!!!!!!!!!! My predictions were way off but who cares. Gutsy game. Our boys have no quit in them. Can you imagine how quiet the giants plane is on the way back to NY? How about Jeff and TO and I think Plummer did have an int at the end. Funny how the giants like to run their yaps and blow kisses (Barber) after TDs. Someone forgot to tell the big blue LOSING crew that the game isn't over till the clock reads 0:00. Mooch looked like he wanted to cry right after the game. How about that 25yd catch by Eric Johnson? Streets? Also Deese and Stone were out during parts of those drives. I hope someone taped or recorded what was said at the half. Awesome. I am so proud of this team. Hey I was worried early but win or lose I stick with our team. Gutsy, one of the great comebacks. This was Jeffs biggest game. Every Niner fan needs to get behind this club. Too much media BS too. The game is on the field. Ask the giants, they'll tell ya! How about some payback to FAT Sapp. Cheap shotted Jerry in '97. Beat those bucs. Best way to hurt Sapp& Co. Here We Go NINERS, Here we Go!!!!!!!!!!!!! News Flash..... Shockey cries in beer all the way back to NY. Tough break, eh rookie? Go Niners!!!!!

Subject: Wow


Author:
jesse myers
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Date Posted: 00:29:08 01/06/03 Mon

WOW....I cant believe they pulled it out...WOW. I think they will have a shot against TB....and if Vick pulls a rabit out of his hat against Philly we get another home game! Do you believe in miracles!

Subject: HELLO..........WHAT DID I SAY EARLIER?


Author:
ninernut
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Date Posted: 00:52:57 01/06/03 Mon

GUESS WHAT?


GARCIA, OWENS, AND PETERSON....UNBELIEVABLE.

YOU KNOW GUYS, THE CONFIDENCE THIS GIVES GARCIA AND THAT YOUNG TEAM IS IMMEASURABLE.

THE HOTTEST TEAM IN THE NFL RIGHT NOW IS THE SAN FRANCISCO
49ERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE REASON THAT THE GIANTS DEFENSE COULDN'T GET ANY PRESSURE
ON GARCIA, WAS BECAUSE THEY NEEDED OXYGEN! THEY WERE ON THE FIELD MOSTLY ALL OF THE 4TH QUARTER BECAUSE THE 49ER OFFENSE AWOKE FROM IT'S SEASON SLUMBER, AND IF YOU THINK MOOCH WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE LATE 3RD AND 4TH QAURTER, THEN
YOU ARE EITHER IN A COMA OR DEAD OR MAYBE YOU JUST HAVEN'T
GOT THE OXEGEN BACK TO YOUR BRAIN FROM THIS INCREADIBLE WIN,
LIKE MYSELF.........IM FINALLY BREATHING ON MY OWN!

LIKE I SAID MOOCH IS THE MAN,....JEFF IS NOW JEFF COOL,
OWENS IS O EN TRY TO STOP ME, PETERSON IS PERFECT, AND THIS TEAM WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM ATLANTA, AND A WIN AGAINST TAMPA BAY, MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE A HOME CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!
WOW WOULDN'T THAT BE AWESOME??????

OH YEAH AND HOW ABOUT THAT DIRT BAG ROOKIE MIAMI HURRICANE SHOCKEY? DOES ANYBODY REALIZE MIAMI'S FOOTBALL PROGRAM WHILE ATTRACTING TREMENDOUS TALENT ALSO SEEMS TO ALLWAYS
LEAD THE COLLEGE RANKS WITH DIRTY THUGS.

I DON'T CARE HOW GOOD HE IS SHOCKEY IS A SCUM BUM FOR THROWING ICE AT NINERFANS! FOX REPORTED THAT AND THE REFS SHOULD OF THROWN HIM OUT RIGHT THERE! PETERSON WAS ALL OVER HIM AND KNOCKING THE CRAP OUT OF HIM EARLY! AND HE WAS
OBVIOUSLY FRUSTRATED BUT THE THROW ICE AT FANS FOR TAUNTING
YOU, JUST SHOWS WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP THAT AHOLE IS!
i'M SURE SHOCKEY IS FULLY ENJOYING HIS TRAIL MIX AS HE
LOOKS OUT HIS WINDOW SEAT WIPING HIS TEARS AT 3000 FEET UP!

HEY DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER THE NINERS FIRST OFFENSIVE SERIES
OF THE GAME? PASS SLANT TO OWENS TD!

I THINK RIGHT FROM THE GET GO THAT MOOCH WAS READY TO OPEN IT UP....REMEMBER TO'S THROW THE STREETS?
WHEN WILSON FUMBLED THAT RETURN, THE SCORE WAS 14-14, AFTER
THAT IT SEEMED THE NINERS STARTED TO FALL APART.
I DIDN'T FIND OUT UNTIL I LISTENED TO KGO POST GAME BUT AHMED PLUMMER HAD A SORE GROIN HE WAS NURSING ALL GAME, BUT
HE SUCKED IT UP AND CAME UP BIG!!!!!!!

REMEMBER.....GREAT PLAYERS DON'T ALLWAYS PLAY GREAT,....THEY
JUST PLAY GREAT WHEN THEY HAVE TO.......

THAT'S THE UNDERSTAMENT OF THE YEAR.............

ONE MORE THING............HOW ABOUT THOSE NINERS????????

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!

nut

Subject: Coaching Counts...


Author:
TANK
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Date Posted: 01:03:56 01/06/03 Mon

9r4life: Do you really mean to say that the no-huddle requires no coaching? Granted, I don't think the coaches called the play when Garcia tried to run a QB sneak for two yards on third down, but there was losts of coaching that went into that last 20 minutes, and you only have to go back to your high school football days to remember.

Bootlegs, Owens' throw...the coaches held this team together.

Every time Mooch went for it on 4th down, he was sending a message to his team..."I believe in you."

When Mooch went for two points, he sent a message to the team..."I believe in you."

As for the "come back to mama" basics, I seem to recall a Julian Peterson blitz that put the Giant in a second and 17 situation. In fact, Mora was blitzing every other play. Troy Aikman may have been lying, but I recall him saying the team was playing zone one moment and man the next. Maybe Trevor can back me up when he gets his tape of the game.

My main concern...no rushing game. Hearst only had 21 yards.

Subject: 9ers


Author:
Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 01:10:57 01/06/03 Mon


PD - great post... well written!

9r4life - ah... don't you think Mooch/Knapp may have called the plays into Garcia's headset for him to use? What about it being their call to go to the hurry up?

bob - I'm with ya.

jesse - I do! I do!

nut - please don't type in all caps...
Shockey tossed the ice over his shoulder while sitting on the bench, it wasn't deliberate, but did hit a kid... article is in the HOP.



Subject: .


Author:
Ghettup
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Date Posted: 02:51:27 01/06/03 Mon

"If Mooch stays as a figurehead coach next year then he will probably have to accept a new bunch of assistant coaches that know what they are doing"

If mooch stays (which i think he should, at least another year), why get rid of gems like Jim Mora jr?
He's really got a good hold of that defense (must get it from his mother). He didn't loose his cool when Collins was eating them apart and managed to get hold of the game by switching to the cover 2 zone that the niners love (sometimes to a fault) when toomer and that asshole country-bumpkin shockey where beating them on straight man.

I'd like to see Mooch stay on another year (if thats possible without a coontract commitment). If he can learn from his mistakes, and continue to improve the team as he has over the last three years (lest we forget these are supposed to be the niners 'rebuilding years'), than I think he should stay put.

Subject: Now that we gotten that straight


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Tim
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Date Posted: 02:59:28 01/06/03 Mon

Now it all becomes clear. When we win it's because THE PLAYERS WIN GAMES but when we lose it's all Mariucci's fault, the players don't have any responsibility at all then. Some people.

Subject: You ain't in oklahoma no more boy


Author:
Ghettup
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Date Posted: 03:06:42 01/06/03 Mon



Have YOU checked your family tree lately?
You might be imbred.

Welcome to the NFL

Subject: Shockey...scum bum


Author:
ninernut
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Date Posted: 03:11:34 01/06/03 Mon

Bryan first off, Shockey threw it over his shoulder on
purpose....I heard the post game on KGO and read the Yahoo
article, he was being taunted by the fans and Peterson,
So he got pissed and threw ice over his shoulder..and hit a little boy with the water and ice. I really don't
care if the Giants covered for him by giving the boy a foot-
ball....he's still a thug.

Tim....tell me you taped that game man!

Subject: Ghettup


Author:
ninernut
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Date Posted: 03:13:51 01/06/03 Mon

hey Ghettup......FANTASTIC!!!!!!!

Subject: Garcia


Author:
Norcal
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Date Posted: 03:43:13 01/06/03 Mon

Simply incredible game, what can I say that hasn't already been said?

Being at the game, I went from being a Shockey admirer to thinking that he is a idiot. All game long, he was flipping fans off and yelling at people in the crowd. He simply has no class. Maybe the Raiders can get him, he'd fit right in.

I hope that all you Garcia-Haters will now give it a rest for a while. He's not Montana or Young, but who is? Jeff is a gamer and he will fight hard and never quit. If he wasn't always running for his life, he'd have better stats. So he can't throw long. He can do what it takes to win games. So let's stop all this "dump Garcia" nonsense, shall we?

I tip my hat to you, Jeff. You were awesome today!

Subject: Cant say enough....


Author:
Mithril49
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Date Posted: 09:29:55 01/06/03 Mon

There isnt enough praise that could be said about this game....OUR BOYS HAVE HEART!!

Shockey is scum...great playing scum..but still scum.

Garcia....team is yours man, the haters can just enjoy their crow...you did what they asked, won a playoff comeback that should be remembered as one of the best.

If anyone did tape the game and is sharing, PLEASE email me! Ill pay for tape and shipping and your time! I need this one! Heh.

As some of you know, I live in Jersey...I was in a bar FILLED to the brim with giants fans, with ONLY ME in a 9ers jersey. You all know that commercial with a jets bar and a dolphins fan who jumps up and cheers into the silence..its even better in person, after getting taunted all day!! On a side note, if all my friends we'rent giants fans I dont think I could have walked out of there alive, talk about sore losers hehe.

Subject: 9ers


Author:
Bryan - Admin
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Date Posted: 09:39:11 01/06/03 Mon

Ghettup - some people are suggesting signing Mooch to a one year extention...

Tim - good point.

nut - I heard differently watching the game. It was my impression he was frustrated and just tossed the cup over his shoulder, and it happened to hit the kid... Either way I don't like the guy, I'm still however, not sure it was intentional.

Norcal - you lucky one! To be at that game would have been awesome



Subject: Stuff!


Author:
49ertothecore
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Date Posted: 10:11:35 01/06/03 Mon

I will be the first to admit I have been critical of Garcia this year and after this last game, especially the last 20 minutes, he came through big time and definitely gave 49erland alot to cheer about? Now I hope this is something he can build on and not disappear until next January. The last 20 minutes was very reminiscent of the Raider game this year. To all you who admire Garcia and get incensed that some 49er fans get very frustrated with Garcia, Mooch & the 49ers this year. Why doesn't Garcia play like this on at least a semi-consistent basis? He seems to do better when his back is against the wall and in desperate situations. Even Walsh said Garcia is at his best when he's spontaneous (hint Mooch & Knapp). A rested & healthy & dominant T.O. is enough to encourage anybody to play better.

Isn't the media somthing? Shockey can be an arrogant, low-class player and he's wonderful and just having fun and playing the game he loves, T.O. on the other hand can't even enter the stadium without being negatively criticized! Some of those Giant defenders love to dish it out but can't handle it when it gets served back to them. They were trying to take T.O. out every chance they had and T.O. would take it and bounce back up. T.O. gets a little agressive and they show they can't take it.

Atlanta in San Fran would be a treat, not a far fetched scenario. First things first, beat the Bucs! I think we'll need a better balance on the offense against the Bucs, run & pass with unpredictability! I think our defense can handle their offense. We can't afford any costly turnovers. Lets hope 2 big 49er stregnths, Garcia's good decison making and lack of 49er turnovers happen against the Bucs. I would almost be tempted to make Barlow the feature back and see what happens! Lets hope Webster can recover and play.

Did we incur any injuries against the Giants?

Subject: Corners


Author:
slappy
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Date Posted: 11:36:08 01/06/03 Mon

I don't want to come across as a naysayer - that game was the most exciting game I have ever watched! BUT - I do have one concern and it has been building all year. After spending two first round picks and a second round pick on corners - I'm not sure that the niners have adequately addressed that position. I have seen a drop off in Plummer this year but I don't know if all the injuries to the defense have played a part - if he was being asked to do other things. Do you guys think we need another CB. Should they draft one or sign a FA?
Second thing I want to mention. I love Mooch and think he is doing a wonderful job. I also think Mora Jr. should also stay. I also think that some niner fans don't appreciate the string of QBs that we have had. Garcia is an excellent QB and still has a couple of years left in him.

Subject: Game on tape


Author:
wastdmnds
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Date Posted: 13:13:02 01/06/03 Mon

Hi all, I haven't posted or come to this board in a long time, but I do have the game on my Directivo. I'll have to buy a vcr this weekend to make copies of the game(which I planned on doing anyways). E-mail me for copies of the game, I only have up to the Jeff Garcia Interview after the game with Pam Oliver. I'll only charge for shipping and the price of the tape. E-mail me at kbrandon99@msn.com if interested. I should be able to make a tape commercial free.

Subject: Incredible!


Author:
NinerFaithful
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Date Posted: 14:03:31 01/06/03 Mon

I still cannot believe what I saw yesterday!!! Jeff keeps coming closer and closer to being the main man in the NFL, I know he is a top 5 QB no question....I know there was a post floating in this forum last week about where he ranks as an NFL QB and I was sitting here biting my lip as some of you whiners were ranking him anywhere between 12th and 15th. You still think there's 12 other QB's out there that you would rather have than Garcia? After yesterday, I would guess we wouldn't take anybody over him now would we?(Vick looked unstoppable Saturday) The most ludicrous part was saying they would rather have Jake the Snake under center next year!!! What a Joke!! The reason Garcia doesn't play like this more often is because the 49ers usually don't go no-huddle until the last 2 minutes of every half, imagine what would happen if we decide to run no-huddle from the start of the Tampa Bay game....Start the game in no-huddle, spread it out, score a couple of early TD's and then pound them into submission with Barlow...I still felt Hearst was our #1 back this year, but Barlow has shown to be a very tough physical runner, I say we should start him against the Bucs. Everything that has been criticized in this forum (and rightfully so at times) was vindicated in the second half of yesterday's game. Hell to me it didn't seem like we are lacking a second threat opposite TO. Johnson had a nice catch and turned it into a 25 yard gain, and Streets caught the winning TD. One last thing that had me really pissed off last week was how the media really jumped on the Jints bandwagon, if you read the predictions it seemed like the 49ers had no chance of winning coming into yesterday's game. In fact I think I only saw two predictions picking the Niners from the major websites. Did you guys watch the postgame show on Fox? How pissed off were Jimmy Johnson, Terry Bradshaw, and Howie Long? It seemed to me like they were not objective at all and clearly wanted to see NY win. They didn't even credit the 49ers, they only wanted to say that the NY special teams choked, but didn't want to credit the 49ers for playing an awesome quarter and a half at the end. What an incredible way to begin the playoffs, and I think this will propel us past the Bucs and into the NFC Champioship game. Anything can happen, like TDON said in the papers last week, "Anybody can get hot and win it in the playoffs, why not us?" Bryan, I just want to thank you for running this website and all your hard work...I was jonesing when you went on vacation, 49ers Paradise is where I come to get most of my Niner info, I don't know what I would do without this site and your guys' constant back and forth on the Forum. It totally makes my Monday mornings!!! Once again Thank You very much!!!

Always Faitful!!!

Subject: Niners


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Ninerbill
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Date Posted: 14:10:31 01/06/03 Mon

First off, I'm from Oklahoma and didn't like the Oklahoma coments from Ghettup. Actually Imbreeds come from Arkansas not Oklahoma. I was busy moving during the game but recieved calls from all my friends about the Horrible game the Niners where playing. Then late in the 3rd I recieved a call from my Uncle who is a Dallas Cowboy's fan. He said you are not going to believe this. I then called my parents to check in on the game and talked them into recording the rest. I did manage to get the TV out and hooked up with 2:11 left in the game. What a game it must have been.

You could see the Giants defense was tired. I almost like the chances of using the same no huddle in Tampa to wear them out. Victory, O so sweet!!!!!

Subject: Corners cont.


Author:
Ghettup
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Date Posted: 15:44:16 01/06/03 Mon

Ninerbill: Sorry mate, didn't mean to offend anyone (with the obvious exception of shockey and giants fans). I didn't mean to generalize people from oklahoma as imbreds, but shockey is defenitly a class-less wonder.

On the matter of corners, I don't think its that dire. lets not forget the average age of the corners is under 25.
Ahmed Plummer blanketed his side for most of the year. He didn't play very well in the NYG game, but that shouldn't erase how well he played throughout the season.
Webster had injuries to contend with.

And what about Rumph? He got the trial-by-fire this year, but I was pleased with his late season performance, especially in the Giants game. Hes only going to get better.

Could the 9er's use another great cover corner? Of course.
Is it highest priority? No.

But, Chris McAlister is a free agent this year... That'd be sweet.

Speaking of corners, how sad is Jason Sehorn now.
Hes more concerned with his career (not his sports career, his 'celebrty' career) and his actress wife to care that hes gona from bad boy cover corner to having a 'throw this way' sign on his back.

Subject: Amazing


Author:
Jim Burke
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Date Posted: 15:48:58 01/06/03 Mon

UnFREAKINGbelievable!!!!!!

When the Giants went up 35-14 I was ready to throw in the towel, my nerf football is shedded, but after that I calmed down and said alright lets chip away. My girlfriend looked at me and said "they're going to win". I thought back to the Grey Cup when I saw Garcia play his finest game as a pro. That's the Jeff Garcia I know the guy that would die for his teammates and will do whatever it takes to win. Garcia may not have the strongest arm but he's got the biggest heart!!!!!

Major props to the defense for picking yourselves up off the mat and taking to the Giants. Way to fight to the finish. My only concern it the defensive backs not getting their head around on deep pass plays. Plummer got worked but made a huge play at the end and that's what it takes to play CB. Rumph played well and was a heartbeat from a TD near the end covering Shockey. Speaking of which after the play Shockey gestured to the crowd to shhhh. Right back at ya PUNK!!!! He who laughs last laughs best.

Well done boys you deserve it!

Out

Subject: The Day After...


Author:
TANK
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Date Posted: 15:55:29 01/06/03 Mon

I woke up this morning, work staring me in the face, unmet deadlines remaining from the Friday before, and I wasn't looking forward to the day...foggy and cold, the newspaper wrapped in plastic...I got my self my first cup of coffee and fought to free my paper. There it was...the front page read "Fantastic Finish: Garcia, Owens Spark Stunning 49ers Comeback." I realized it wasn't a dream...and my day suddenly got much, much better. I pulled out the Sports Section and sat back to enjoy the hot java...it is a good morning, indeed.

People like to point out that the Giants special teams gave us six points with two missed FG's, but don't forget our special teams gave the Giants seven, so eliminates that spin.

By all accounts, it sounds like Terrell Owens took over the team's leadership role at halftime. Sideline cameras show him telling Garcia and Streets to give it all they got. This impresses me far more than post game "killer instinct" comments to the press. He may have turned the corner. His contract extension negotiations should be ongoing...Owens has earned a HUGE signing bonus.

I hate to be a party pooper, but I was troubled by a number of things yesterday. As wonderful as this win was, it is history. It would be sickening to lose next week, and then this great victory will be quickly forgotten. Particularly if we struggle in Tampa like we did in the first half of yesterday's game.

RED FLAG #1: The running game was nil! The o-line was dominated when it tried to run block. The short yardage situations made it even more disgusting. I know several of you think the offense should just stick with the no huddle and throw every down, but that isn't likely to win a championship. Pastor Dave wrote of passing to set up the run, but I wonder if even after 45 passes and 354 yards passing, could the 49ers have established the run if needed at the end of that game? I doubt it. Can they run for a first down in short yardage situations next week? I worry about that. I am not so certain this line can do it. Warren Sapp and Anthony McFarland will be even more dominant, getting an even bigger push up the middle on rushing and passing downs.

Lets face it, Garrison Hearst isn't getting outside on anyone these days. He has to run between the tackles, and this banged up line isn't moving anybody. Hearst averaged 3 yards a carry against the Rams and 2.5 yards a carry against the Giants. Something is breaking down here. I have argued that Barlow is a temporary answer, but the line needs help.

Defensively, 9r4life appreciated Ahmed Plummer's stand at the end of the game, but Kerry Collins (not Rich Gannon or Chad Pennington or Donovan McNabb or Jeff Garcia...Kerry Collins!) ate him alive for three quarters. Armani Toomer beat him every which way. TIM says Plummer has a groin pull. That won't heal by next Sunday. This is a scary predicament. I hope we face Rob Johnson, not his evil twin Brad. The pass defense needs to step up this coming Sunday. This defense needs to be able to force a punt in the first half...

Slappy: YES! Terry Donahue needs to find another CB in the draft or, preferably, a veteran in free agency. Does anyone know who will be available?

The best thing about Jeff Garcia's performance yesterday was not his scrambling or the quality of his passes. It was his decision making. In the last four drives he led, he made only three obvious errors, and one of them was okay: 1. QB sneak on third down; 2. INT on two point attempt; and 3. the overthrow of Stokes in end zone that forced 49ers to settle for a field goal (okay). The two point conversion could have been a crucial blunder obvious to all of us, so I won't go into it. The overthrow of Stokes was an acceptible decision - far better than throwing an INT - but, he had time and Owens was coming open back over the middle. Everything else, the other 20+ plays were beautiful. He spead the field, used several receivers (not just Owens), and tucked in the ball and ran at the right times. Considering the speed of things happening around him, I am very impressed. I had visions of earlier losses to San Diego and Green Bay (or the end of the first half against the Chiefs) racing in my head, but Garcia obviously learned from those painful situations.

I said in an earlier post that Garcia had slipped this year. For twenty minutes on Sunday, he climbed back up to being his best. That is a tremendous credit to him because he had been complaining about the miserable stress he was feeling late in December. Hopefully, this was cathartic for him. He followed up an emotional win against the Raiders with a sub-par performance against Kansas City. I hope he can string a couple of these "Garcia-ball" games together with strong decision making.

Speaking of cathartic experiences...I hope this game helped Mariucci and Knapp excise their deamons, too. Remember, Knapp is potentially calling his last game as a 49ers coordinator every time out. His contract expires after the last snap of this season. I don't think I saw anything on Sunday that changed my mind about the coaching of Mariucci and Knapp...you guys all know how I feel about them...but I think the next game might set the decision for John York. Mariucci against Jon Gruden...face to face...who can coach in the moment better?

I still instist that Mooch and the 49ers need more talent. They need to resolve the pass defense problems, address the inadequacies of the special teams and build a more dominant line for Hearst and Barlow, while not losing the protection that Garcia needs.

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